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March 1, 2016 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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March 1, 2016, Tuesday, Hour #2
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Did Patrick hold on?
All right, good.
We go back to Patrick in Cleveland.
If you're just joining us, the first hour of the program I recapped with uh some additions.
Uh things I've not mentioned before theoretically to explain the Trump phenomenon, but more than that to explain how the establishment doesn't get it.
They don't understand what's what's hit them.
They're way off base.
Uh they're not even close to understanding it, and as such, they're never going to be able to figure it out and how this is not a phase, it's not a temporary tantrum.
It represents something that's very real and is actually been building for decades.
And uh Patrick here is a multiple-year, 20-plus year listener to the program who uh uh called us that he doesn't like being lumped in with the establishment uh for reasons of disliking Trump.
He dislikes Trump for different reasons, not he doesn't like being lumped in with the establishment.
And and he's a basically a full-fledged conservative and thinks the solution to these problems we have is conservatism and not Trump, that Trump is an absolute disaster.
And I'm just going to assume you think correct, feel free to I mean, I'm not don't misunderstand the tone of my voice.
Feel free to tell me that I'm wrong about this, but I'm guessing that because of the way I explained this in the first hour, you think I've thrown in with the Trumpists.
I'm not necessarily thrown in, but uh it seems to me over the last couple months that you give him a pass on stuff that you would never give a pass to anybody else.
Such is such a do you know what you don't even know what happened to me yesterday?
The Trumpists just want to burn me at the stake after yesterday's program.
The Trumpists, the alt-right, I don't know, whatever you want to call them.
I mean, they were ready to to bury me yesterday and last night over what happened on this program yesterday.
Understand.
But there's the buttons.
Well then No, no, you well then uh uh.
Here's the problem.
This is what happens when you don't endorse anybody.
You end up it would be worse if I did, but by not endorsing anybody, everybody holds out hope.
And any it it it's really tense out there right now.
And I understand that uh clear as a bell.
Let me ask you, let me go at this this way, Patrick.
Okay.
Let's deal with the reality of something here.
There is what do you agree with my analysis of the sentiment out there with the people angry at Washington and so forth?
Do you agree that?
Oh, sure, definitely.
And I consider myself one of them.
Okay, here's the qu all right.
Well, then how come it is?
Explain to me in and I know it's it's it's a question coming at you pretty quickly.
You may really want some more time to think about it, but where did conservatives not capture this sentiment?
Why why was it why was it left open for somebody that has never been in politics before to come in here and to totally captivate this segment of the population, which by and large ought to be with us a hundred percent.
Are you are you referring to normal conservatives who are uh who are are buying the Trump line?
I'm talking about everybody ticked off at Washia.
We are the answer.
We are the answer to what's wrong with you're right that the reason we're ticked off at Washington is because we've had two out of the three landslide elections, and we sent, you know, majorities to both Congress, you know, both you know, parts of the Congress, and they did absolutely nothing.
They've they failed in their promise to take care of the halt Obama, and I can understand that's where the anger comes from.
But the question becomes what is the solution?
No, no, what no wait.
Uh I I don't think I I obviously didn't explain my question, frame it properly.
You have what's gone on in Washington the last seven years, what's gone on in the last twenty-seven years, okay.
The opposition, what's gone on there is full-fledged, unabashed liberalism that has been unchecked and unstopped by the Republican Party, which has made it clear it's not conservative and doesn't want to be.
True.
So Why is the question is with this many millions of people angry, upset, disaffected, feeling left out, whatever, at both parties in Washington.
Why wasn't conservatism turned to by these people instead of Trump?
Because we haven't had a conservative candidate.
But there's been plenty of conservatism out there.
We've got it hasn't it hasn't manifest itself in the people we're sending.
We do.
We've got Ted Cruz.
Exactly.
We've got to thank you.
Okay.
We've got we've got Ted Cruz, but before that, we've had other candidates that have run.
And then some of them, some of them sought the Republican uh presidential primary, didn't get very far.
But no, I I know your point that we haven't really had a legitimate conservative candidate.
Why is that?
You know what?
I don't know.
I wish I knew the answer to that because it's not for lack of trying.
See, I think because I think the answer to that is part of this problem.
These the only stated now follow me on this before you react.
The only stated opposition to Obama and Obamaism and the Democrat Party has come from us.
True.
From conservatism, from conservatives here on this program, other talk radio, blogs wherever.
The conservative movement has a lot of moving parts.
It has candidates, it has think tanks, it has media.
Many of these people have been asking these Americans to support them with donations, contributions.
The come on has been help us do our work and we will convert Washington to conservatism.
We are the way to get to policymakers to infuse what they do with conservative beliefs.
People have been sending them money, people have been supporting them, people have been voting, they've been going on their seminars and whatever.
And I think a point was reached where they said, what has where where is all this conservatism that we've been supporting?
Where is it?
It hasn't shown up in the Republican Party.
I understand that.
I mean, and and we feel betrayed because we send them to Washington to do a job and they didn't do it.
The point I'm trying to make is that anger focused on the part part that, you know, the job's not being done.
How is Donald Trump going to do that?
How is Donald Trump not going to be any different when he's already said he's going to go to Washington and he's going to make deals?
Okay.
I can negotiate with Harry Reid.
I can negotiate with Nancy Pelosi.
If we wanted somebody to negotiate and get along, we would have elected Democrats.
I think I heard somebody say that one.
No, no, no, no.
This is important now.
This is why.
You know, I I say sometimes I get mad too.
I put in a lot of time here working.
I mean, I did nothing all night but work on this very stuff that we're talking about.
I was six hours, seven hours last night.
And sometimes it gets very frustrating when I say it over and over and still am not heard.
Now let me let me explain this once again.
You can you can talk about what you just said that that Trump supporters ought to see, my God, he's gonna negotiate with Pelosi and Reed.
That's not how they hear it.
Patrick, they hear Trump say he's gonna beat them.
He's gonna cream them, he's gonna cream Pelosi, he's gonna cream Reed.
He's gonna whether he does it, that's what they hear.
They hear he's gonna cream the Chinese, gonna cream the Japanese, he's gonna clean up the border, he's gonna do he may have to do deals with these people, but he's not gonna cave to them.
That's how they hear it because that's what they want to believe.
I understand that.
But uh again, but you know, where's the reality involved?
You know, where's where's the to go back and 20, 30 years, where's the beef?
Okay, here's what I mean.
Yeah, I can make speeches like that all day.
Look at I'm going to not work in my own best interest once I get there.
I can answer every question you're at.
You say, Where's the beef?
Again, what are we talking about, Patrick?
We're talking about why people are supporting Trump and not Cruz when we boil this down, are we not?
Why are people supporting Trump and not another conservative, aren't we?
So those are the people we're talking about.
I would think so, yeah.
Okay, so when you ask these questions, where's the beef?
They look at everybody in Washington as part of the guilty, whether Republicans or Democrats or not.
They don't see they see Ted Cruz versus Hillary Clinton as no different than Marco Rubio versus Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney versus Hillary Clinton, because if that's the case, then I guess we could agree that low information voters don't just exist on the left.
Because anybody who's going to lump Cruz in with those other people are not paying attention.
Well, they think they are, but it's the the reason that can happen.
You and I both know that Cruz is a bigger outsider than even Trump.
We know that for all that Trump has talked about, Cruz is done.
Exactly.
Okay.
But yet, Cruz happened to have the misfortune of getting elected.
He is a senator.
He is in Washington.
He is seen by these people as part of the quote unquote ruling class or establishment that has routinely sold them out, talked big, sounded great, but when it got down to brass tax, they caved.
It's totally unfair.
But uh and by the way, this is not my theory.
I read that, I talked about all the stuff I did last night.
I can't remember it's either Angelo Codvilla or Charles Murray who who made that observation that is because Codvilla, for example, is really worried.
Angelo Codvilla, who wrote the original piece on the ruling class, country class that we highlighted here in The American Spectator.
His main concern is that we're just trading an Obama for a Trump.
I agree.
One authoritarian for another.
I mean, I see no difference between hope and change and make America great again, because neither of them are saying anything.
Well yeah, but they do say a lot to the that they they they they allow the supporter to define it him or herself.
Well, sure.
But in the same but, you know, my point is we we've made fun of the hope and changer people for the last eight years, and Albertun is replacing it with just another empty slogan.
Well, but see no I would argue that hope and change is nebulous.
Make America great.
That's pretty simple.
That that that's not very ambiguous, making America great.
Make America America isn't great anymore.
It's not great.
It's not what it used to be.
It's undergoing a major transformation.
Well, sure, yeah, I understand that.
Make America Great is a substantive real meaning to it.
Code Via's point, Code Villa's point is that he worries that uh you don't fix the mess that we're in now by electing somebody who may be better at doing exactly what Obama does than Obama is authoritarian versus an authoritarian.
That's his fear.
He's in easier school that what we really need here is some just solid, straight down the middle, good old-fashioned conservatism is the only stopgap and cure for this.
I agree.
There are opinions on this all over the place, and I amalgamate them here and and share them with uh with everybody.
Sometimes it's assumed they're my own if I don't quote what I'm reading every other sentence from from somebody.
But uh I think the real question here is you've got this number of disaffected people, it seems to be pretty big.
And speaking to you as a conservative, I'm frustrated too.
How did we miss them?
Why in the world do they not trust us?
How many times have you heard me lament that we have done a lousy job in ideological education?
You all I I am more frustrated than you are, but the problem I can't complain about it.
You know, I'm I it it's uncool.
Like you should have seen Snerdley at the end of the previous hour when I said, you know, I'm mad at you people, you can't see that you can't see.
You're supposed to take it, but you can't give it a- I understand that.
But do you realize if if the people of this country just understood what liberalism is?
Let's go through the things that I just mentioned.
Look at how the ruling class, let's change that to liberals.
Because that's what the hell it is.
The liberals have destroyed a college education.
They've turned it into a step up to an anchor around your neck.
The liberals have given us the financial crisis.
The liberals gave us the bailouts, the liberals gave us all of these things that have destroyed the economy while they promised that would rejuvenate the economy.
Liberalism is why the culture is rotting in the midst of a transformation.
But the Republican Party won't say that.
The Republican Party won't even blame it on the Democrats.
The Republican Party won't even acknowledge any of that's happening.
We know that it is, and so do people who Are ready to abandon the entire political class for an outsider because they think the entire political class is totally corrupted.
Well, it is.
But it is liberalism that's corrupted it.
And I wish there had been ongoing ideological education so that people knew when they saw liberal listen to a liberal, it automatically meant vote against them.
But we're not there.
I have been after that.
I have been wishing that, and that's what this program.
This program is a solution to every every day this program amounts to solutions to every problem that's out there.
And the first thing I do is explain and define the problem.
Illustrate why we have it.
So forth.
I'm as frustrated as anybody.
This is a golden opportunity.
I can tell you there's a lot of people in the conservative movement who are not really conservative, not like you and I, but they claim to be.
And they are sitting out there and and and they're wondering, you know, they're they're telling themselves we owned this.
We had the best field of candidates.
Uh all they had was Hillary and Bernie gets in late.
We were this this was our year.
We we were good, and then Trump gets in.
And they think all is lost because they're they're blaming Trump for screwing up the best opportunity they've ever had.
And they need to ask themselves the question.
If you guys had all the answers, then why did nobody hear you?
If you guys have all the answers, why did nobody listen?
Why didn't anybody believe you?
And that gets translated as where is all this conservatism you guys have been talking about?
Where is all this conservatism you guys have been selling?
You've asked for my money.
You you want me to read your position papers.
You want me to read your policy analysis?
But where is it in my life?
Where is it stopping anything?
And they don't see it.
So here comes Trump, just like here came Perot.
And the parallels to that are interesting too, even more so with uh with Trump because Perell really didn't want to win.
But but uh but Trump does.
Anyway, Patrick, I appreciate your holding on all this time for the top of the hour to extend the conversation.
I have to take another brief uh obscene profit break.
We'll do that and be back right after this.
Don't go away.
Okay, back to the phones.
This is Ruben in Lost Lunis, New Meiko.
Hey Ruben, how are you, sir?
Hell Rush Mo Mega Diddles.
Well, thank you.
Hey, hey Ruben, let me ask you a question.
I assume here from looking at the summary that Mr. Snerdley put up that you're a Trumpster, you're a Trump supporter.
Yes, I am.
Ruben, can I ask you a real quick question?
Absolutely.
No wrong answer, not a trick.
Do not misinterpret any tone that you might think you hear in my voice.
I'm genuinely asking out of genuine curiosity.
Are you aware of this kerfuffle that has started over the secret interview Trump gave the New York Times?
Yes, I am.
Okay, let me ask you a question.
If you were to learn that Trump stated in that interview that building the wall and deporting 11 million is just an opening negotiating position, and it's not what he would end up settling for.
Would it change your mind about supporting him?
It might change it a little bit.
But not very much.
Why or why not?
Because I understand what Mr. Trump really is.
Uh he is a tool for me.
He is our best chance, and he might very well be our last chance to finally take control back of our government.
You know, um the when I talk about the establishment, I'm talking about the Rhinos, I'm talking about the Democrats, and I'm talking about the liberal press.
They all seem to think that it's okay and that it's their job to nominate our candidates for us.
And that's just not the case.
You know, this is for the people by the people, not not the other way around.
You know, they I don't know who elected them.
I didn't elect them.
Understand that Democrats, media have been trying to pick our candidates, still are.
Yes.
I I I never knew that about the Republicans, Rush.
I have always known that the Democrats really don't care who you vote for, that they're going to pretty much put in who they want.
But until recently, now the GOP is saying the same thing.
Like, what do you mean?
Well, here we are.
We there's this big giant swag going for Trump, and they're over there trying to figure out a hard way to come up with a broker convention and put in the candidate they they want instead.
Oh, oh, oh, so now the rhinos are joining the Democrats and trying to pick a candidate that the people exactly.
The rhinos are just there's no difference.
We know they used to say there was no difference between them.
There's no difference between the rhinos and the Democrats, and evidently there's no difference also between the conservative press and the liberal press, because they have joined in as well.
Now back to my case that we're too ignorant that we're not informed.
You know what, Mr. Resch?
I am very well informed, and yes, I am a conservative.
But the reason that these conservatives aren't getting anywhere with me is if it wasn't for Donald Trump, they wouldn't even be able to get past the media.
Interesting.
You are a conservative.
In a normal, if Trump were not in this, would you be supporting Ted Cruz?
Absolutely.
And I do support Ted Cruz.
I just don't think he's capable of getting past the media.
If it wasn't for Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Ted Cruz would be under severe attack right now and practically be on his way out.
Now that is a significant observation.
That part of this is you just love the fact that Trump controls the media.
Finally for once, somebody on your team is running circles around the media.
Absolutely.
And you've told us for years and years and years, you've asked the same question.
Why do the Republicans let them get away with what they do?
I know.
It's all my fault.
Yes.
So that was fascinating from Ruben.
By the way, did you know that Ruben sounds like he might be of Hispanic heritage?
And Rubin was an admitted conservative.
And Rubin said that if Trump were not in the picture, he would be supporting Ted Cruz.
But then the bombshell.
And by the way, since Rubin said this, it's the one thing that we all, I'll just speak for my, it's the one thing I know that's out there.
I know this animosity toward the media, the outrage and anger at the media that is constant.
And Rubin said, yeah, but even if Trump weren't there, and Cruz was a nominee, the media would have already destroyed him.
The media would already have him buried, but they can't do that to Trump.
Trump is the one running them.
Trump is controlling them.
And I think, having heard Rubin say that, I think that is one of the greatest unspoken aspects of Trumpism.
Not to diminish whatever aspects of it there are, but boy, is that a big part of it.
People on our side feel like we don't have a prayer, no matter we can have the best candidate under the sun, and he'd be destroyed by the media and the Democrat Party alliance, and there's nothing they can do about it.
And Trump has come along and is getting away with whatever he wants to get away with.
He's mocking them, he's laughing at him, he's threatening to sue them, he wants to open up the libel laws, all these things he can't do, by the way.
I mean, that's a Supreme Court decision, New York Times versus Sullivan.
Do you know what that basically is?
New York Times versus Sullivan, just to analyze that for you, permits famous people to be libeled.
Public figures can be, because they're public figures.
The only redress is if the public figure can prove malice.
That's the only when you boil it all down, it's the only option somebody like Trump would have.
He would have to, if he wanted to go out and sue these people for libel, he would have hardly any prayer.
He would have to prove there was malice.
And that's almost impossible to prove.
You can't allow hearsay evidence and this kind of thing, and the culprits are not going to admit that they have malice.
It would have to be so obvious.
There was a movie, Wilfred Brimley, great, great actor was in this movie.
I think it was Paul Paul Newman.
Yeah, absence of malice.
Who was it?
It was Sally Field in this movie.
It was Wilf.
Paul Newman, yeah.
Paul Newman was a local businessman, was not a famous guy.
It was a local businessman, run a tire shop or some such thing.
And the liquor store, was that what it was?
Liquor distributor.
Right.
And it was in Miami, right?
Southern Florida.
And the local, the Miami Rag, the newspaper had it in for this guy.
They assigned Sally Field a reporter to go get him.
She ended up falling in love with him or liking him.
And the local prosecutor got in bed with the Miami Herald and the DOJ, it was a federal case.
The DOJ had to send one of their guys down there and basically stomped all over his local prosecutor, saying, You're doing malice here.
You've got malice.
It took him two hours, the length of the movie, but uh, but but Paul Newman ended up winning this thing.
But that's the only avenue.
Trump can't go in there and open up the libel laws.
He would he would have to go to Congress first.
But the point is, I mean I'm getting sidetracked here.
You remember that dinner party that I had in my house, and I walked out of my own dinner party because these two guys that wanted to throw Sarah Palin overboard because the media had destroyed her.
And I I was aghast.
Is you you guys are gonna sit there and that's it?
If the media destroys our candidate, they're automatically disqualified.
Yeah, we gotta have somebody who can stand up to him.
We get a well, here it is.
This thing has now come back to hit me twice, this whole business about the media.
Look, nobody needs to educate me on what people think about the media.
But that aspect of this, I'm sure is a relevant factor in people having this attachment they have to Trump.
I've got the the Tom Brokow soundbite.
This is the most incredible thing here.
Uh well, no, actual malice is defined as knowing it's false or that the speaker has reckless disregard for the truth.
I mean, that's and that's what you would have to prove.
Actual malice is defined as knowing it's false.
When you print whatever you're printing about, you have to know that it isn't true when you do it.
And boy, that's a it's a it's a tough sell.
Anyway, I I shared with you what Brokoff said on the Today Show today earlier with Matt Wauer, but I want you to hear it.
This is just to illustrate for you the disconnect.
And it says nothing to do with with whether you're a conservative mad at Trump or whether you're a Trumpster mad at the establishment or what have you.
Tom Brokaw is the establishment.
Tom Broker epitomized Tom Broker on the face of it.
And he's on with other members of the establishment, Matt Wower and Savannah Guthrie, and they're all wringing their hands over whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's so good?
What's going on in the Republican campaign?
Why is there so much anchor?
Anger, and here is what Brokoff said.
President Obama promised change, but he initiated a blue state agenda.
Healthcare overhaul.
Same-sex marriage, and met intractable GOP opposition.
Congressional Republicans were not interested in negotiation or compromise.
They had their own problems with the Tea Party.
It's an NBC special correspondent Tom Broker report on why Americans are.
There's actually a special NBC report on why Americans are angry.
And that's it.
They couldn't be further wrong if they tried to be.
What do you mean Republicans were intractable?
Did not everything Obama wanted happen?
We've got Obamacare, we've got gay marriage.
We've got everything that he was serious about trying to accomplish, he's got.
Well, maybe you throw Gitmo out of there, but but I mean, that's what intractable GOP opposition.
There wasn't any tra this is how far off the beaten path these people in the establishment are.
They are so cliched.
They are they're in a time warp.
They're back 30 years ago, 20 years ago.
It's still the angry white male, as far as they're concerned.
The angry white male is a bunch of Republicans, and they hate progressives, and they don't understand modernization, they don't understand moving forward, they don't understand compromise.
That has nothing to do with why Trump's where he is right now.
Or more properly stated, it has nothing to do with why people don't trust Tom Brokaw, Matt Wow, or any of the other members of the establishment.
It isn't about that.
And here's Hillary.
Oh, speaking of Hillary, two things on Hillary.
UK Daily Mail.
This is uh reprint basically of what's in the New York Times today.
Hillary's five-point plan to beat Trump.
Apparently the Hillary campaign's already getting in gear to beat Trump.
And Matthew Dowd, do you know who Matthew Dowd is?
Well, he's a former Bush George W. Bush administration person.
He was uh like a PR guy or a spokesman here or there.
Anyway, he's gone full progressive now.
And I think he uh Yeah, he's on I think he's an ABC commentator now, and he's pretty much gone left.
But he's out there, this New York Times story on what Hillary's gonna do to beat Trump, and he's out there actually saying that Trump, Hillary is preparing this campaign that's the equivalent of a massive super tanker.
And Trump is the Somali pirates.
No, no, and in his if I got this right, the Somali pirates are gonna come in and take over Hillary's ship.
They're gonna come in and they're kind of commandeer it, and she's not gonna know what hit her.
I'll have to double check, but I think that's what the uh what his point is.
Anyway, Hillary Clinton plans to enlist Bill Clinton and Barack Hussein O to attack Trump.
And here is her five-point plan, as published in the New York Times.
Number one, attack Trump's explosive temper and ability to run the country.
Number two, highlight the Republican frontrunners' sexist and bigoted attitudes to turn female votes against him.
Number three, show him as a ruthless businessman who had worked against the interests of working classes.
Number four, keep Hillary out of the fray and enlist allies like Obama and Bill Clinton to criticize on her behalf.
Are you kidding me?
That's number four in the five-point plan.
Is it Hillary?
Does it play a role in any of this?
She's the woman for crying out.
Does she bring credibility?
These anti-women charges are gonna make against Trump.
This sounds like a pretty flimsy attack plan to me.
This sounds so flimsy it sounds like a setup.
It sounds like a fake.
And number five in the Hillary Clinton five-point plan to beat Trump is goad him to making ever more offensive comments, which will alienate voters.
Uh this comes amidst shocking news that Trump may, if he wins this thing, turn New York into a potential Republican state.
Well, in the electoral vote college, and New York might go Trump.
Because he's more of a New Yorker than she is.
Uh anyway, that sounds like a flimsy plan.
Here's Hillary this afternoon in Minneapolis.
She's at a coffee shop, probably didn't pay for anything, and no doubt didn't leave a tip.
She meeting with voters, QA, and a reporter said, Do you think that Donald Trump will be the eventual Republican nominee?
I don't know.
I think that's gonna be up to the Republicans.
I don't have any real insight into their thought process.
Obviously, he's done very well.
He could be on the path, and maybe somebody else can uh intervene and rise about that ways and they nominate.
You know what?
I think every one of them has news and have made comments that are deeply troubling.
So what translate that?
No matter who the Republicans choose, we're gonna keep calling them the same names.
They're all racists, they're all sexists, they're all bigots, they're all homophobes.
And it doesn't matter who they nominate.
That's what we're gonna call it.
Rushlin Baugh meeting and surpassing all audience expectations every day with countless thousands uh frustrated with me.
Understandably so happens every election season.
Here's Rich in Saginaw, Michigan.
Back to you, sir.
Hello.
Hey Rush, how are you?
I'm good.
Thank you for calling, sir.
Yeah, well, I just uh I think I got a solution for you.
You know what?
Well, what a solution for what the conservatives can't understand why all of us want Trump in there.
Uh announced me in up in the working guys, like in Michigan.
See, in my factory, everybody's got a Trump sticker on their hard hat.
We're ready to we're ready to go to work for this guy.
Okay, so you are you a union member, did you say?
Oh no, nope, I'm not, and I'm actually a registered Democrat.
So you're registered Democrat, so you're middle class working guy, blue-collar Democrat Reagan here.
If you if you're if Mr. Reagan here you'd be voting Reagan, probably and be considered a blue-collar Democrat.
Right.
Okay, but now it's Trump.
What and um you're ready to go for for Trump, why instead of say Cruz or any other conservative?
Well, kinda.
It it's kind of like uh few callers ago, uh he said that us guys are are low informed voters.
I mean, just because we didn't march out of somewhere with a Harvard degree or whatever, I guess we're not qualified to vote for the president of the United States.
I feel like that's the whole thing.
It's it's like we're not important yet.
Here we've been c we've been carrying the country on our back with taxes for years and years, and we get no appreci no appreciation whatsoever.
I'm telling you.
Always giving something to do for that group.
I look, I totally agree with that.
I uh in fact, I am of the same frame of mind you are.
The question is so many conservatives are asking why are you thinking Trump is the answer to that, and not say Ted Cruz.
Well, I'll I'll tell you one good thing is uh Mr. Trump is done things in real life.
I mean, we we need results.
We don't need these Congress is like a bunch of three-year-olds playing with Legos.
If they put it together and it doesn't work out, whether they care, they just take it apart and start all over again.
Mr. Trump is has vetted himself in the real world.
He's a successful businessman.
He's someone that we should be looking to for answers.
These guys, they just talk amongst themselves.
And at the end of the day it doesn't matter.
No, they still got their big pensions and their health care while we're out here slugging it out, waiting for some answers that never come.
Is there anything Trump says or has done that bothers you, that alarms you, that gives you in a pause.
Well, I don't know.
He he's kind of like one of the guys on the line.
Sometimes, you know, we get in a heated discussion and somebody might say something that's maybe a little over the top or something, but for the most part, I kind of like being the John Wayne America as opposed to the we're gonna get slaps from every little country that's around the world.
I'm tired of being disrespected.
I think we we we're we're the biggest uh armed forces in the world.
Why would we even take crap from anybody?
It's ridiculous.
Well, d totally.
Uh the that the the question actually is is not that is that many people are upset with people like you because they don't understand how you can look the other way at some of the things Trump says and the some of the way he insults people and uh makes fun of people with disabilities.
This is the this is the criticism I hear, and I don't understand why you look past all of that.
And Well, I okay I'm sorry, Russ, go ahead.
No, go ahead.
Go away it's your turn.
Well, I I think it uh you know, the time for political correctness patty cake stuff, we're getting nowhere with this.
We really need to, you know, pull up our pants and be Americans again.
Make people responsible for the things we do.
For the things they do.
I'm sorry, you know, there's a lot of handouts going on, and there's a lot of special things that people are getting while the rest of us stand here in and we're ignored.
Or even worse than that, we're insulted.
Exactly.
I'm telling you, he is voicing exactly the element of this that the establishment has not yet figured out, and that is the class aspects of this.
And I'll tell you what I'm gonna do.
In order to detail this, remember here what he said in this call, and I'm gonna share with you some thoughts in both Charles Murray and Angelo Codvilla about this in the monologue section of the next hour.
Because Rich here is exactly the kind of voter and citizen Murray and Codvilla have analyzed and explained.
And it's uncanny.
The class aspects of this, it's not that having class divisions is new.
It's the way they manifest now versus the way they did not used to manifest just a short time ago, a generation or two ago.
Hang tough.
Be right back.
Okay, so why has this class frustration not manifested versus the Democrats?
Some might tell you that it is.
Twenty thousand Democrats just left the party in Massachusetts.
Trump's coalition is not nearly all conservative or all Republican.
Democrat voter turnout is way, way down compared to 2008.
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