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Aug. 18, 2014 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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August 18, 2014, Monday, Hour #2
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Greetings, my friends, and welcome back.
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My name is Rush Limbaugh.
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Grab audio soundbite number 22.
Because I just, I want you to hear this, not from me, even though you can totally trust me, but I want you to hear it from a source.
They said last night, CNN's newsroom, the anchor Poppy Harlow.
That sounds like somebody that ought to be in a film noir movie about L.A. from the 40s.
But she's an infobabe at CNN, Poppy Harlow.
And she spoke with Morehouse College professor Mark Lamont Hill.
Wait a minute.
I thought he was at Columbia.
Well, he must have moved on.
Morehouse College Professor Mark Lamont Hill about last night's unrest in Ferguson, curfew, all of this, the rioting, the looting after the release of the video, which the drive-bys demanded, by the way.
Why does nobody remember that?
Everybody was asking if there was a video.
Everybody was demanding a video.
Were there surveillance cameras in the store?
Cops didn't say anything, finally released it.
Everybody forgets the media demanded the release of it.
So anyway, Poppy Harlow said to Mark Lamont Hill, as we were talking to you earlier live on CNN, it appeared that there were peaceful demonstrations going on.
Do you get a sense that there is anything that may have sparked that?
The peaceful demonstrations to unravel as we try to decipher why this has escalated so much this evening.
And everybody was trying to figure this out.
What the hell happened?
The video was released on Friday.
There was some looting later that night when the highway patrol and the cops got out of the way and let it happen, which led to store owners showing up armed to protect.
By the way, have you heard what the police chief in Detroit has told citizens to do?
Get guns and protect themselves.
I'm not kidding.
The police chief of detroit has told citizens there that the best thing they can do is arm up.
I'll find it here during the I've had it put it right here near the top of the thing.
Yeah, and it's what's happening in St. Louis.
It's what's happening in Ferguson.
So anyway, here's Mark Lamont Hill's answer to the question, why all of a sudden did this blow up after it was so peaceful for so long?
There's a small group of people who are doing something different and out of step from everyone else.
They're out of town.
There's the ones I spoke to were actually from Oakland.
I saw them last night past curfew.
I saw them this morning.
And they also are the ones who initiate the violence.
But I think the police reaction has also been pretty intense.
And some would argue even overreaching.
I was here in the parking lot.
I got out of my car out of a media vehicle.
And the officer immediately drew his weapon in a very, very threatening manner.
I immediately screamed, I'm media, I'm media.
And it was only then that he put his weapon down and told me that I could go back and walk.
So I think if that kind of energy is in the air combined with some protesters who aren't doing the right thing, I think it creates a very, very, very dangerous mix.
See, once again, here comes the myth, folks.
So now, I guarantee you, if Mark Lamont Hill of Morehouse College knows that we got some new Black Panther types and others in town from Oakland, and he said initiating the violence.
So, according to him, it's not even locals.
You got people in town from Oakland.
There's a huge new Black Panther chapter there.
So they're in town inciting this, initiating the violence.
And he says the police reaction has been pretty intense.
Well, why wouldn't it be?
Private property is being destroyed for crying out loud.
You know, if you just step back from some of this and look at it as though you just arrived from Mars, a lot of it makes sense.
But if you are subject to the myth-making of the Democrat Party and the media and interested parties to this, you're going to have an entirely distorted picture of what's going on there and why and what continues to happen.
So then he says, yeah, I arrived in my immediate car.
Yeah, I showed up in my media vehicle.
Yeah, I drove up there and got out of my car media vehicle.
And the officer drew his weapon in a very threatening manner.
And I screamed, I'm media, I'm media.
Why didn't he scream, I'm journalism, I'm journalism?
I'm a professor, I'm a professor.
But when he was with the media, then the cops backed down, told him he could go ahead and walk.
And he said, all of this energy, it's very intense.
It makes total sense it'd be intense.
You've got people from out of town that are rioting, that are looting, setting places on fire.
And as usual, the cops are being blamed for it.
Here is, we go back to the soundbite in order number four, Jay Nixon, the governor.
He's on Meet the Press yesterday with Andrea Mitchell.
By the way, Snirdley came in to meet it.
I got to tell you this.
Snirdly came in today as I'm busy here in the very end of the intense, whoa, what's this?
What is this?
I've just been handed a note, ladies and gentlemen.
It is from the Washington Post, now owned by Jeff Bezos.
Here's the headline: County investigation.
Michael Brown, comma, gentle giant, comma, shot from the front, had marijuana in his system.
Oh, no.
No wonder holder wants to do a third autopsy.
Oh, no.
I have just practiced character assassination.
Do you know that, folks?
With the aid of the Washington Post, I have just participated in a smear and character assassination because I am reporting what the Washington Post news alert is.
Michael Brown, shot from the front, had marijuana in his system.
This is according to, this is going to be a problem for the drive-bys.
It's the St. Louis County Medical Examiner, but she's a woman, and the Republicans have a war on women, so the Democrats can't come out and say she's incompetent.
Unless, of course, they find out she's a Republican medical examiner.
But then how could she be in St. Louis?
So now they've got a problem.
So now we have shoplifting of Swisher Suites, which are well known among the doper community, to be ideal for the manufacture of blunts.
And we now find out from an autopsy from the St. Louis County Medical Examiner, marijuana.
And this is in the Washington Post.
Mary Case, the St. Louis County Medical Examiner, has declined to comment further, citing the ongoing investigation.
This, according to another person familiar with the investigation, the Washington Post, that Brown had now between six and eight gunshot wounds and was shot from the front.
See, the original story was he was shot in the back while running away from an over-eager, overzealous, racist pig cop.
But again, go back to the video, the shoplifting video.
The gentle giant knew that he had just robbed a store.
The cop did not.
So the cop doesn't understand this erratic behavior at the sight of him.
The cop thinks I just got to get this guy off the street.
He's in the middle of the street.
I got to get him upstreet.
There are cars in the street.
We got to get him on the sidewalk.
The gentle giant reacts in a way the cop doesn't understand because the cop doesn't know they just robbed a store, but the gentle giant knows it.
Now they find marijuana.
I didn't know you could find.
I didn't know talks reports came back.
They don't come back this fast on CSI.
That's another thing.
I guarantee you that the low information people, wait a minute, they're making this up.
I watch CSI and they never have talks report before four to six weeks.
I know.
You wait.
Check it out.
You watch.
There are going to be some tweets.
There are going to be some posts on websites.
Cops, medical examiner making it up.
I've seen it on NCIS.
They can't get tox reports for six weeks.
So how do they know marijuana was in the system?
What does they say about marijuana and behavior?
Anyway, that's the latest news.
The latest smear, the latest character assassination today from the Washington Post.
What I was going to say is, you think I lost my place.
I didn't.
I was here at the tail end of Show Prep.
I was nearing the end of the accumulation phase and just about to begin the organizational phase, which is around 11.15 every morning.
Snerdley comes in and says, are you sleeping well?
And I said, yeah, I always do.
Well, I don't know how you're doing it.
I said, what are you talking about?
Don't you know you're the one that got Gregory fired?
You got David Gregory fired.
How can you sleep well?
I said, what do you mean I got David Gregory fired?
You're the one who started talking about ratings up until you started talking about how they have no ratings and doesn't anybody care.
They didn't care.
And it was Hunky Dory and everything fine and dandy.
Now look, now you've got the CBS CEO out there talking about you got to get rid of the overnight ratings because you can't get an accurate picture now.
You've got to get ratings for a week.
And now NBC gets rid of Gregory for no ratings.
You're the only guy who ever pointed it out.
You're the only guy who cared.
Don't you feel guilty?
I said, I hadn't even thought of that.
Snerdley thinks that I should be guilty, feeling guilty.
I read, speaking of Gregory, I read over the weekend the real reason he got fired.
You know what it is, folks?
He turned on Hamas.
He became too supportive and too, yeah, just too supportive of Israel.
And this upset a lot of people.
Executive suite at NBC.
I read this.
I wish I could remember where I read it.
It was in some, it was on some blog.
And it was a learned analyst in his theory here that Gregory in recent weeks had become very, very, very, very supportive of Israel.
And that that's why he was let go.
Snurdley thinks it was me pointing out he had no ratings and it was okay that he had no ratings until I mentioned it and they had to deal with it.
That's right.
That's pretty much what you think.
Okay, well.
You're guiding light through times of trouble, confusion, murkiness, tumult, chaos, and even the good times.
And we will get back to your phones.
Well, we haven't been there yet.
We'll get to your phone calls.
Well, let me grab one quickly here, just to get that portion of the program underway.
We'll go to San Diego.
Robert, great to have you, sir.
You're next.
Hello.
Thank you, Rush.
You always say to speak about politics or think of politics.
And in this situation, I'm looking at the way the Democrats would look at this as this case develops.
And I don't want to be cynical because I'm not.
I think the family really wants justice, and they'd like to see a conviction and so forth.
But I think the home run for the— Hold it a minute now.
See, you're falling into a trap already that I'm going to get in trouble for pointing out.
And don't take this the wrong way.
I don't mean this as critical or as criticism, but look at how easily you equated justice with the cop being found guilty.
You said the family wants justice.
The family wants justice and a conviction.
But we don't know that that's what justice is.
Well, Rush, I think the Democrats ultimately hope that the robbery, the video, and so forth, that clouds up the issue enough so that there will be no conviction, and there'll be an exoneration, perhaps.
And that's what the party really wants, because that is the Ferguson get out the vote campaign.
A conviction, that's nothing for them.
That's maybe what the family would like.
But the regime wants just the opposite.
An exoneration of a white cop would go a lot farther for them.
And that's the political part that I think they're looking at.
And it's looking more and more like that may be the outcome.
I applaud the effort to think politically here.
It's something I have been urging each and every one of you to do, particularly in the lead news story of every day.
Always look at the politics of it.
And the reason is, well, because it's there.
I mean, the politics is what's guiding it.
The politics is what's shaping it.
And I just find it fascinating.
All these people, particularly young people, I don't like politics.
I hate it.
I just despise it.
It makes me nervous.
I don't think they're arguing and so forth.
Everything is politics.
And they don't think they're looking at politics except when they see the Republicans.
See how this works?
The Democrats are never doing it, but the Democrats always have the best intentions, the best morals, the highest ideals.
It's the Republican.
I hate the Republicans.
They're always arguing, always bickering.
It's always politics with the Republicans.
The low information crowd doesn't get that it's the Democrat Party and the media defining politically the template, the agenda, the narrative of the day.
Now, in this case, in this case, The way this works is the way the Democrat Party has constituted itself, they really can't lose no matter what happens here politically because they've already succeeded by establishing the myth.
They've already got victory.
The victory is this happens all the time.
This, a white police officer shooting an innocent black victim, sometimes a child, sometimes a gentle giant child.
Happens all the time.
That's the myth.
And they've already got people reacting based on the myth.
They've already got people feeling guilty.
They've already got people tuning in.
They've already got people hoping, oh my God, gee, I wish it weren't to do this.
It's worked, which is why I'm trying to point it out so that some people will stop being negatively affected by this in the political sense.
Because I know a lot of you probably, oh, geez, here we go again, right before the midterms, this happens.
Oh, I'm going to hate the Republican.
So their myth-making has already worked.
Now, I contend to you that any outcome here, they will be able to spin for a political victory.
It's the nature of the beast.
And the reason they're able to do this so easily is the Republicans simply do not play.
The Republicans are constantly totally on defense without ever once pushing back or going on offense.
So in the case of an acquittal, if it goes to trial, an acquittal of the cop is, that's made to order for one political entity.
But let's say the cop, a conviction of the cop, made to order, perfect and so forth.
An acquittal of the cop, same way.
Your point is that they gain more politically with an acquittal because the black community is therefore more riled up.
But the black community can't vote any more Democrat than they already do.
So the Democrats and the media, even if the cop is convicted, I can guarantee you what the narrative of that will be.
Don't be happy.
This doesn't change anything.
It's still horrible for young blacks on the streets of America.
This doesn't change anything.
If the cop, if there's a trial, if the cop is convicted, they will use that to continue and further the myth that even though this cop was convicted, it doesn't happen nearly enough and it's been gotten away for way too long.
And that's the, I don't want to say beauty, but that is the, I don't want to say brilliance either, but in some sense it has to be because they've structured things so that no matter what the outcome, they have a political narrative for it that keeps things royal and unsolved.
And this is why it would be a mistake if for people, you know what, let's throw the cop overboard.
Even, I don't care.
Rush, let's just, let's just, the cop's guilty, okay?
And then it won't solve anything.
The Jesse Jacksons and the Al Sharps, they don't want this solved.
The people who live and profit from the notion that there's racial strife worsening in this country, they're not going to ever allow any perception that the problem has been solved.
Never.
Hi, folks.
Welcome back, Rushland Boss, serving humanity with half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair.
Happy to have you here.
Back to the audio soundbites.
What a farce this the governor, Missouri J. Nixon on Meet the Depressed Sunday morning.
Yeah, I was going to play this until I got sidetracked by my memory of Snerdley walking in here today, telling me that I should feel responsible for David Gregory losing the hosting gig there.
At any rate, Andrea Mitchell, NBC News, Washington, said, Governor, there was peace on Thursday night after you appointed the state police to take over from the county.
But then the local police chief released that video.
What justifies releasing the video about the convenience store?
While there's still no details about what happened with the shooting itself, that's what caused everything to erupt again on Friday night and eventually led to the curfew having to be imposed.
Why release the video?
Yeah, we and our security team and the Highway Patrol did not know that was going to be released.
I don't think the Attorney General knew that.
And quite frankly, we disagree deeply.
To attempt to, in essence, disparage the character of this victim in the middle of a process like this is not right.
It's just not right.
And secondarily, it did put the community and, quite frankly, the region and the nation, you know, on alert again.
And that action was not helpful.
This just illustrates how backwards all of this is.
And it illustrates the myth-making or the there's no better word for it than myth.
Narrative template, what have you.
Why would a videotape of the gentle giant committing a crime in the convenience store?
Why is that character assassination?
Why is that incendiary?
No, no, folks, I understand.
I know that in a powder keg situation like this, I know how it's going to be interpreted.
That's my point.
There was no doctoring.
If this were made up, if they had created a video out of nothing and made it look like it was Michael Brown, but it wasn't.
And if they had gone to great lengths to smear Michael Brown, then yeah, but this really happened.
He really did hold up the convenience store.
And it added information because up until this point on Friday, nobody knew what was.
I remember sitting here on Friday when this thing came out, when they released the video.
And I remember my initial reaction, and I'm reading some of the closed captioning on television, some of these commentators, and they're all saying, well, this changes everything.
Why did it change everything?
It changed everything because up till then, they had succeeded in creating a myth that the cop had murdered this citizen.
Let's just be honest.
That's what they were trying to concoct.
The cop, for whatever reasons, unstated racism, had murdered this kid.
His hands up and he was unarmed and he's surrendering and all that.
And his cop just, and so they had their narrative.
They had their template.
They had their version of events which fed this myth that white cops shoot innocent young blacks all the time.
Except they don't.
In fact, again, I say it is rare.
And that's why it always makes news.
Because it doesn't happen all the time.
But they had their myth, and they had their evidence for the myth.
And then here comes this video, which, I mean, even the commentators on the ground in St. Louis who wanted this to be exactly what the myth was had to admit: well, this just changes everything.
Because remember, the time the video was released, everybody assumed the cop also knew that he had gotten a call from headquarters.
We've just had a robbery at such and such convenience store.
Suspect description is XYZ.
Everybody assumed the cop knew.
It wasn't until later on Friday that we found out cop didn't know, but the gentle giant did.
This remains crucially important.
The gentle giant assumed a cop knew, but the cop didn't.
The cop, look at, I'm getting repetitive here, and I don't want to bore you, but this is fundamentally, crucially important.
But I still think it says so much.
I think it opens up so many doors.
It explains so much.
It makes so much understandable that people are outraged at a video.
Here's the governor and all these other people claiming that it led to, why did it lead to riots?
It led to riots because people were mad that the myth had been destroyed.
Don't forget how the New Yorker originally portrayed the suspect here.
Michael Brown was 18.
He was walking down the street in Ferguson, Missouri, from his apartment to his grandmother's.
It's 2:15 on a bright Saturday afternoon.
He was, for a young man, exactly where he should be, among other things, days away from his first college classes.
And then disaster strikes.
So they had created this picture of essentially total innocence and an out-of-control white cop.
And then here comes video from the store, and we have a totally different picture emerge of the general giant.
And so the reason they got mad is because the original idyllic picture of innocence then gets shattered.
So let's take it out on the police chief.
And don't forget, everybody has forgotten that the media was demanding the release of this video.
And we've also learned today that the DOJ was in part responsible for suppressing it all week.
Okay, so that's Governor Nixon.
Now, here's Valerie Jarrett.
She was on the radio this morning talking about the unrest in Ferguson, and this is what she said.
Our immediate goes to make sure that residents of Ferguson are safe, that the looting stops, that the vandalism stops, that the people who live in the community have confidence that justice will be done, and that's the president's primary objective right now.
Okay, so the regime's primary goal is to stop the looting.
Well, they better get on the phone to people in Oakland because according to Mark Lamont Hill, the agitators and the looters are in town from Oakland, California, new Black Panther Party.
Okay, so that's what the regime want.
Michael Eric Dyson, Slay of the Nation, CBS yesterday.
He's Georgetown University sociology professor.
And during the discussion, he's on there with the roundtable, Bob Schieffer, and here's what he said.
We need his leadership, his vision, his unique style.
He's an oratorical genius.
Deploy that in defense of the people from whom he learned that oratorical genius and to defend those vulnerable populations, especially white people whose white privilege, in one sense, obscures from them what it means that their children can walk home every day and be safe.
They are not fearful of the fact that somebody will kill their child who goes to get some iced tea and some candy from a store.
Until that quality is brought, the president bears a unique responsibility and burden to tell that truth.
Okay, so according to Michael Eric Dyson, it is incumbent upon Obama to get out there and use his rhetorical genius on Ferguson.
Now, wait a minute now.
Wait a minute here again.
Hold a fort.
Obama's been using his rhetorical genius for six years.
Obama used his rhetorical genius in the 2008 campaign and a 2012 campaign.
So much so that people said it was genius.
So much so that Harry Reid asked Obama, where'd you get this genius?
And Obama told Harry Reid, it's a gift, Harry.
Well, you've been doing it for six years.
Why didn't it work?
Why didn't six years of oratorical genius work?
No, no, no, no.
Don't look at me that way.
I'm totally serious.
B. Hussein Oh, was elected just in part to end this kind of stuff, right?
Hope and change.
People really thought a lot of white voters thought this stuff was going to stop because that's what them voting for a black president would mean, that the country is no longer racist.
Six years of oratorical genius, if that's what you want to call it.
And yet this stuff is still happening.
In fact, it's probably worse.
But I have another reaction to this, too.
I don't think it's true.
And I don't think it is accurate to say that white parents do not worry sending their kids out of the house on errands.
We comment on this frequently on this program about how parents are afraid to let their kids go do anything anymore.
There's either a purse-snatcher out there, there's a child molester out there, there's an Amber Alert waiting to happen, there's human traffickers out there, there's drug dealers out there, criminals, muggers, racists, purse-snatchers, rapists, and so forth.
There are all sorts of stuff out there.
How often do we talk here about how when we were kids, our parents kicked us out of the house?
And if we came back before 5 o'clock, they got mad at us and accused us of being lazy.
Now, if a kid's gone for 30 minutes, uh-oh, oh no.
Where's little Johnny?
Oh, my God.
Am I right?
All kinds of people are afraid to let their kids loose for fear of what's out there.
Not specifically racial problems, just there's a lot of evil out there that a lot of parents are very worried about.
They've been told to be worried about it.
They've been told to be protective.
Monitors and so forth.
Here's Charles Ogletree.
He's a former, let's see, nope, he still is, a Harvard law professor.
And this is during the roundtable on Meet the Press.
Andrea Mitchell, NBC News in Washington, the moderator, said, Rand Paul wrote, given the racial disparities in our criminal justice system, it's impossible for African Americans not to feel like their government's particularly targeting them.
Rand Paul.
So she said that, and she wants reaction.
If Rand Paul really said that, that's irresponsible.
Anyway, that's for another discussion another time.
Here is Charles Ogletree's reaction to Rand Paul saying that it is impossible for African Americans not to feel like their government is particularly targeting them.
I'll tell you what, people think that three days of rioting is the end of it in Ferguson, Missouri.
It's just starting.
People are upset.
They're frustrated.
They want to take their city back.
They don't like the fact that police, the black man, young, are being stopped and killed.
How many people have to bury young people for people to understand that something is wrong in Ferguson, Missouri?
It's not the case.
That doesn't happen all the time.
This is my point.
This is further myth-making.
They don't like the fact that the police are, black men are being stopped and killed.
When's the last time it happened in Ferguson?
Before Michael Brown.
Was it the day before?
Was it last week?
How many times last week?
Was it last month?
How many times last month?
I mean, if it happens a lot, so much so that people in Ferguson are tired of it, how often is it happening?
And if they're tired of it in Ferguson, why aren't they rioting in Chicago?
Why aren't they rioting in Detroit?
Why aren't they rioting in Compton?
What is it about Ferguson?
It's just that Ferguson's in the news today.
It doesn't happen all the time in Ferguson.
People in Ferguson want their city back, apparently from the new Black Panther Party in Oakland.
It's in town stirring things up.
But see, this is the myth-making.
This is myth-making 101.
It's just starting, says Ogletree.
Harvard professor, this isn't the end.
This is just the beginning.
That's a threat.
That's a warning.
What have you?
It's just beginning.
They're frustrated.
They want their city back.
Really?
I don't remember the last time it happened there.
Do you, Mr. Snirdley?
You remember the last story involving a black citizen killed by a white cop in Ferguson, Missouri?
I can't remember when it happened.
It must be slipping my mind because it apparently happens all the time.
I just can't remember.
It must be the racist media there not reporting it.
Otherwise, we would know, right?
Gonna go back to the phones here, folks, just for a little break in the routine.
West Palm Beach, this is Carrie, and welcome.
It's nice to have you on the program.
Hello.
Thanks, Rush.
Nice to talk to you.
I just wanted to share with you some good news I had on Saturday.
I just took up golf a couple of weeks ago, and I played my second ever nine holes this Saturday afternoon, and I hit a hole in one.
Oh, come on.
That's not fair.
I know.
That isn't.
Do you mind telling me where you played?
I played at the village of Royal Palm Beach.
They have a golf course there, and my husband and I went out for nine holes.
And on the second hole, I used my five iron, and it was 142 yards, 142 yards, and it hit the hole on the fly and stayed in.
It didn't roll anywhere.
I got to be kidding.
You, in your second, did you say second week?
Yeah, my second time on a golf course.
This is the 13th hole I've ever played.
Okay.
13th hole, second week, second time in a golf course, and you hit a five-iron 142 yards in the air?
I did.
Wow, my friend in Hawaii can't do that.
I'm just kidding.
I'm going to have hell to pay for that.
No, kid.
That has got to be.
Were you able to tell it went in, or did you not know till you got up there and looked in the hole?
We thought it went in because it was like the noise was ungodly.
It hit the pin and it just went right in and nobody could believe it.
There was two guys pinging up at the next hole and they turned around and went, it went in.
It's not on the green.
So we knew it was a couple seconds of stunned silence, though.
Yeah, I bet they couldn't believe it.
So does this make you eager to continue playing the game?
Absolutely.
I've got another lesson tonight, so I can't wait.
Oh, wow.
Well, that's cool.
Well, I got to tell you something.
The longer you play, then there's stages.
And if you really get into it and you've got time to really get into it, there are stages that you're going to go through.
And there's the addict phase or stage where you will play as often as you can.
And you will take lessons and you will buy clubs and you will do all this stuff.
And you will get frustrated and you will get mad and you will wonder why you're doing it.
And you'll think they ought to punish prisoners by making them play this game.
It's so frustrating.
But you'll end up loving it and you'll be watching it on TV closer than you ever have.
And, you know, a lot of people who have been playing their whole lives never had a hole of one.
That's what I hear.
Never have.
Well, congratulations.
That's absolutely, I'm thrilled for you.
And it's got to be, that's something.
Second time on a golf course, 13th hole ever.
Let me tell you something, for a beginner, five iron, 142 yards for a beginner.
And I could say woman, but that would make me sexist and I don't want to go there because of the Republican war on women.
That's impressive.
So if you're sitting out there thinking that this indictment of Rick Perry for exercising the constitutional aspect of veto is a farce and a joke, you need to stop because it's neither.
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