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Okay, now we are arrived at the ceasefire broken by John Kerry.
Brokered.
Broken.
I actually was right the first time.
And the Israelis are dumping all over Kerry, accusing him of selling them out.
The regime is having to marshal forces, encircle the wagons, and defend Kerry against this.
People are talking about his blatant incompetence or either his having chosen sides and it's not with a U.S. ally.
It's a mess.
It is a genuine mess.
And it's brought about by a combination of bias and incompetence.
There's no question about it.
It's also brought about by an utter futility.
There is no way any of this could ever succeed.
And I don't think anybody officially is ever going to say that because then if you throw out the diplomatic solution as a possibility, there's only one other thing that can happen.
There has to be a military solution.
And sadly, that is the only way.
And if we were living in sane times, the solution to this would be our ally winning.
The solution would be us helping our ally win.
But there's some question as to who is our real ally here.
And it's patently obvious that there's a question about this.
Now, what did Kerry do?
Well, right here, even in the Washington Post that's written about, in the headline, John Kerry's big blunder, his error has been to put so much emphasis on achieving a quick ceasefire, a quick halt to the bloodshed, that he has ended up solidifying the position of Hamas.
The Islamist group that leads Gaza, along with two hardline Islamist nations that are its key supporters, Qatar and Turkey.
John Kerry has solidified that alliance.
He's solidified that position.
He has, in effect, endorsed it.
Now, the Washington Post, no, this is not biased.
It's not what he intended to do.
The poor guy is really trying hard here.
And in the process, it says here, John Kerry has undercut not just the Israelis, but also the Egyptians and the Fatah movement that runs the Palestinian Authority, all of which want to see an end to Hamas rule in Gaza.
But Qatar and Turkey and Hamas want to continue to run Gaza and wipe out Israel.
The Egyptians and the, I guess, the Fatah movement that runs the PA, Palestinian Authority, and Israel all want the end of Hamas.
Kerry has solidified Hamas.
That's what's happened.
And it was all done in the effort to get a quick ceasefire.
Because, see, a ceasefire shows diplomacy is working.
A ceasefire shows that a man of peace has been able to influence others with his notions of peace to crock.
In the first place, we're going to have to redefine peace as it applies to this situation because it doesn't mean the same thing to Hamas that it means to the Israelis.
Just doesn't.
Peace to them is no Israel.
That's it.
And even then, there wouldn't be peace.
They'd be mad at something else.
But so desirous were they of getting a ceasefire so they could raise their hands and say, see, look what we did.
We broke in the ceasefire.
No more children are being killed.
Wrong.
And it's the Israelis, rather, it's Hamas that's engineering the death of its own children.
But you don't dare say that.
Oh, no, no, no, you don't dare say that.
Something like 160 children have died in the Hamas tunnel set up because Hamas has put them in the line of fire.
Hamas puts rockets in schools and hospitals, launches attacks from schools and hospitals, hoping to garner and get a retaliatory strike on those targets.
And I watch this stuff being talked about on the media, and I look at David Gregory, for example, on Meet the Press on Sunday, ripping into Netanyahu about killing children.
I just, I really am beside myself.
Does this man, Gregory, really not know what's going on over there?
Is he such a creature of the inside the Beltway daily narrative or soap opera?
Is he such a creature of that?
Does he really not know that it is Hamas engineering the death of children on their side of the border for exactly his kind of reaction?
Blame Israel for it.
Now, it is said that the Israelis themselves, normally really ahead of the game and up to speed on PR, are losing a key PR effort here.
Now, stop and think of that.
I understand image and buzz and PR and all that.
It is a fundamental aspect of practically everything now.
However, social media has a lot of political propagandists on it, disguised as average, ordinary people.
And you can't miss the fact that all over Twitter and all over Facebook are people described as average, ordinary nobodies, just berating Israel for killing kids.
Oh, how mean is Israel?
And Israel doesn't have a way of responding to this, it is said.
So that stuff stands.
And the low-information crowd that's all over social media buys into the idea that the only bad guy in this quest is Israel when all of that is PR.
And my question is: do people in our media really not know this?
And you have to conclude they don't.
It's either that or they're just pure bias, like they are in U.S. domestic news.
So we get this ceasefire.
This one's so bad that they can't cover for Kerry.
I mean, they're circling the wagons and trying to, but this is such a botched deal that even regime supporters are having to explain what Kerry did in error.
And then they say, well, his intentions, it's always intentions, were good.
He only wanted to help.
He only wanted to bring peace to the region, so he might have overstepped and solidified Hamas and Qatar in Turkey.
But he was just trying to save the children.
So, so we're not supposed to criticize them in that regard, see.
Washington Post says here, a wiser course, Which Kerry rejected in his quest for a quick diplomatic solution would have been to negotiate the ceasefire through the Palestinian Authority as part of its future role as the government of Gaza.
Hamas agreed last April to bring the Palestinian Authority back to Gaza as part of a unity agreement with Fatah that was brokered by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.
But Kerry didn't do that.
Kerry left the Palestinian Authority out and he negotiated a ceasefire from the perspective of Hamas.
And then it goes to say, now his mistake, his mistake isn't any bias against Israel.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
It can't be that.
No, Kerry's mistake was rather a bias in favor of a workable, realistic, short-term ceasefire.
He so wanted a ceasefire.
He so wanted peace.
He so wanted an end to the killing of children that in his exuberance, he just came from the wrong place to get this done.
That's the basic sum of it.
CBS and AP, top Israeli official, wants Obama to stop meddling with Israel during its conflict with Hamas.
Speaking to Israel's Army Radio Housing and Construction Minister Uri Ariel criticized Obama, telling Netanyahu that there should be an immediate ceasefire in Gaza.
Leave us alone, Ariel told Army Radio, directing his words to Obama.
Go focus on Syria, but leave us alone.
They don't think they've got an ally in Washington right now.
Totally audio soundbites.
Andrea Mitchell, NBC News, Washington.
This is amazing.
She is in tears asking Kerry to respond to all of his critics here.
This was this morning at the State Department.
John Kerry and the Ukraine foreign minister Pavlo Kleiman, or Klimkin, sorry, held a joint presser to talk about the situation in Ukraine and sanctions against Russia.
And here is Andrea Mitchell, NBC News, Washington.
The Israeli media has unleashed a fierce attack on you personally from the left and from the right, unprecedented in, frankly, any of our experience.
Others say that if there is an escalation, you are responsible for the increasing bloodshed.
Is it hurting your ability to be a mediator here, to have Israel, with these blind quotes from Israeli officials, attacking you so vociferously?
See, this is how Israel simply utters some common sense.
They simply utter what's going on.
Fierce attack on Kerry?
They don't know.
He doesn't know what a fierce attack is.
Israel is being fiercely attacked.
The Israelis are just offering words up for John Kerry.
But boy, to the left, words.
You know, these people are harmed more by words than anybody I have ever known, these people on the left.
So these harsh words out there for Kerry.
Unprecedented, unprecedented criticism.
And she's just, why don't you go defend yourself?
Would you please defend yourself?
It's so horrible.
It's so horrible.
The Israelis are attacking you.
And all they're doing is telling people what's really going on.
Here's Kerry's response to what she said.
There's a little bit of energy being expended here unnecessarily.
And I do think we will continue to work with our very close friend and ally.
And I'm not going to worry about personal attacks.
You know, I spent 29 years in the United States Senate and had a 100% voting record pro-Israel.
And I will not take a second seat to anybody in my friendship or my devotion to the protection of the state of Israel.
But I also believe, as somebody who's been to war, that it is better to try to find a way, if you can, to solve these problems before you get dragged into something that you can't stop.
Well, you must be talking about Vietnam there.
Yeah, as somebody who's been to war, I think it's better to try to find a way.
Hey, how have all these diplomatic efforts worked?
I mean, diplomacy, I'm not going to Vietnam, Senator, or Mr. Secretary.
This is just, I don't know, folks.
This stuff tries my patience.
It really does.
It's an affront to common sense.
All this is just gobblitty-gookie.
It really is.
Well, he does.
Kerry does think he's very smart, smarter than everybody else.
But they all do on the left.
They all have this superiorist countenance, and it's an arrogant condescension that they have.
And it comes from all the theorizing and doing the faculty lounge or wherever.
And I talk about how stupid and dumb and dangerous everybody else is.
Now, they are saviors of this and saviors of that.
They create everything they touch turns to extramate.
Everything they touch just goes to hell after at least some passage of time.
Sometimes immediately, sometimes after a while, but it just don't have a record here of succeeding using their own beliefs and philosophy.
They don't have a record.
There's nothing I can point to.
We have a montage here of drive-bys in America just desperate here to circle the wagons around Kerry, defend him against this criticism from Israel.
John Kerry has been pressing both sides to put down their weapons, but faces criticism for lack of success.
Secretary of State John Kerry facing fierce criticism.
He's come under withering criticism.
Secretary of State John Kerry catching plenty of heat.
Let's dig deeper tonight into whether that criticism is warranted.
The savaging of our Secretary of State.
I think a lot of Americans feel it's unfair that John Kerry has been trying very hard.
There was nonstop criticism of Kerry's attempts.
The criticism of John Kerry, if you read the Israeli newspapers, is very intense.
I'm frankly flabbergasted by the piling on here.
Secretary Kerry was doing his very best.
See, once again, it comes down to intentions and effort.
Never comes down to whether anything works or not.
That's why you're never supposed to examine the record, the results of these people and what they do, because it's never going to be anything you want to put on a resume.
So how many of these people, he's working really hard.
He's trying really, really hard.
I mean, I can't believe it.
He was doing his best.
Well, that's not saying much is the bottom line.
Here, Susan Rice, yesterday in Washington, the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations held a leadership assembly for Israel, and Susan Rice spoke.
Let me also take a moment to acknowledge the extraordinary efforts of Secretary Kerry.
There you go.
We've been dismayed by some press reports in Israel, mischaracterizing his efforts last week to achieve a ceasefire.
The reality is that John Kerry, on behalf of the United States, has been working every step of the way with Israel in support of our shared interests.
Isn't this right on, right on, right on.
That group, by the way, is one of the people that I took my trip to Israel with, the Conference of Presidents of major American Jewish organizations.
But I just, I'm struck by this.
I mean, it's now all about Kerry.
Nobody's firing at Kerry.
Nobody's shooting at him.
But now this whole thing has come down to, oh, poor John Kerry.
He's working so hard.
He wants peace so much.
He's trying so hard.
And his efforts are being mischaracterized.
It's just too sad.
And this is typical to the left.
Make it about the personalities that are not even suffering in any of this.
Move forward to number five before we go to break.
No, let's take the break.
We're going to be really up against it.
David Rodham Gergen is next, and then we move on.
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Did you hear about this?
I saw this page six, New York Post, I think over the weekend.
It was rumored.
It's just a business arrangement, and there's so much money involved.
Now, it'd be very tough to split up.
There's no love there.
And there hasn't been for a long time.
The latest is some on-the-spot drive-buyers actually found Beyonce apartment hunting in Manhattan without Sean.
Sean Carter.
Well, no, it did not start in an elevator.
It had been going on long before Solange decked Jay-Z in the elevator.
So far, she has not been suspended from anything.
No, no, no.
This is going to be a long, I'm up to speed on this.
I'm Pop Culture 101, and I'm up to speed on this.
Does Jay-Z have some of it?
I have no idea, but if I knew it, I would say it.
I just...
I'm just trying to stay focused on what's important to a lot of people here.
And now back to...
Sorry, folks.
Now back to Israel.
Hamas.
David Gergen, which will make anybody yawn.
Who will make anybody yawn?
Last night, Anderson Cooper, 94, question, what do you think of the criticism by many in the Israeli government of Secretary Kerry in his most recent cease-fire proposal?
Madeleine Albright, a former Democratic Secretary of State, said yesterday, to put it simply, the world is a mess.
And a lot of these efforts are failing.
I think what's particularly distressing this evening is that relations between the United States and Israel have fallen to a low point.
I can't remember a time when there's been so much acrimony coming from Israel and a unanimous rejection of a peace proposal from an American Secretary of State, a unanimous rejection by the Israeli cabinet, and then a savaging of our Secretary of State.
Anybody asking, why would that be?
What could possibly explain this?
Could it be that we have an American president who has disrespected Netanyahu from his first visit to the White House?
Do you people remember this?
Netanyahu shows up at the White House late in the afternoon for a scheduled meeting with Obama.
Obama tells Netanyahu, look, I'm having dinner with my family.
You go in there and you work on what I want to see, and I'll get back to you later.
And he goes up to the residence, has dinner, comes back three or four hours later.
Really has not been nice to these people.
But it goes much, much deeper than if this is the worst it's ever been between Israel and the U.S., why isn't anybody asking why?
If we have a deteriorating relationship with Israel, somebody needs to start asking why rather than talking about how John Kerry deserves another purple heart.
He's trying so hard.
He really cares.
He is really expending a lot of effort.
Wow.
Well, he's not very good then.
What other conclusion can we draw?
We've had countless other regimes, countless other administrations, countless other secretaries of state.
It's never deteriorated like this.
We have evidence.
We have disrespect and snubs from Obama to Netanyahu numerous times.
The first one in Washington, as I mentioned not long ago, just before the break.
We have, look, it's pathetically obvious here that there is a bias against Israel in this regime, Allied status or not.
They can sit there and talk about our wonderful Allied status.
Where is the behavior that accompanies the words?
Folks, my point is this.
If anybody thinks, and I'm talking about within our administration, if anybody thinks that Israel is targeting Palestinian children, then they are so corrupt and perverted by what they have been taught and what they believe that they're almost incorrigible.
How an intelligent, functioning, aware human being can willfully ignore the fact that Hamas is putting its own children in the line of fire and wanting them to die, just so these Nimrods will have this reaction.
How can anybody miss that?
Here is a country which is warning targets 10 minutes in advance of an impending attack.
Who has ever done that?
I actually saw this in practice.
I watched a YouTube video, and I think this was over the weekend.
It was a building in Hamas, in Gaza, and it was, it just looked like an ordinary cheap run-of-the-mill square box building with some windows in it.
It was reputed to be a Hamas military target at civilians living in it, as every Hamas military target does.
And the Israelis sent a warning shot, a tiny little rocket that landed on top of the building and exploded no damage, maybe a little crater on top of the building, but didn't destroy anything.
Minimal damage.
But if you're in the building, you couldn't miss the fact that it had hit.
Ten minutes later, the building was devastated.
It was leveled and it was incinerated.
And I saw that attack.
Ten minutes later, the Israelis warned whoever was in that building to get out.
And why did they do that?
Because of this nonsense that they're targeting children.
This nonsense that they're targeting schools.
I mean, this really, I don't know, frustrating, but you're talking about being outraged.
This outrages me that we have so many supposedly smart people who cannot and do not see how Hamas is waging this war.
Now look at David Gregory at NBC.
I don't know him.
All I know is that Meet the Press's numbers are so low you need a telescope to see him.
Now, you might be able to see them with a microscope.
And they're sitting there scratching their heads, wondering why.
Why are our ratings going to meet their press plumbing?
And you watch it, and there's this host who supposedly has a research staff, is a member of the media, is supposedly much more knowledgeable than anybody watching the show, asking the most formulaic, predictable questions of an Israeli official who's his guest.
Why are you targeting children?
You just want to pull your hair out, even if you don't have any.
So why does he think they're targeting children?
Who in their right minds, why would we be allied with a country that does that?
If a country really did that, we would kick them to the curb.
And we would publicly humiliate them.
And I know.
What it boils down to is this.
What it boils down to, here's I'm going to make this so understandable, it's embarrassingly simple.
John Kerry, Barack Obama, Susan Rice, Samantha Power, I don't care.
Take your pick of anybody in the Obama administration.
When they see Benjamin Netanyahu, they see the Tea Party.
They see a conservative.
They see a right-winger.
They see a rigid, inflexible, conservative extremist.
That's why they hate Netanyahu.
That's why they are sympathetic to anybody because they hate right-wingers.
They despise the Tea Party.
IRS anybody?
Netanyahu is nothing more than an extension of the American Tea Party in their minds.
He can't possibly be right about anything.
He's got to automatically be an extremist.
He's got to be one of these guys that think rape, well, there's no pregnancy involved.
May as well be as loony-toons as any other right-winger they think is loony tunes.
It's all boils down to that.
This is why I've been so desirous that people learn to see liberals for who they really are.
Because I'm sick and tired of this constant mischaracterization of us.
It's a mischaracterization that even defies common sense.
But that explains the animus toward Netanyahu, I guarantee you.
He's a right-winger.
He's a Tea Party type.
That's all it takes.
And as far as they're concerned in their closed-minded, no-common sense world, that's all you need to know about them.
They're untrustworthy.
They're dangerous.
They're extreme, blah, blah, blah.
Whatever they associate with conservatism.
To the phones, we return.
This is Brian in Jacksonville, Florida.
Thank you for waiting, sir.
It's great to have you with us.
Hello.
Hey, Russ.
Good to talk to you.
Thank you, sir.
Thanks for having me on your program.
You bet, sir.
You know, I was wondering when Obama and the administration was going to bring out Michelle Obama for this situation.
You know, the hashtag stop this war seems like it would work pretty good.
They don't.
The problem with that is a hashtag might end up being more successful than their Secretary of State.
And they don't want to undermine John Kerry with the hashtag.
The hashtag would probably do more benefit than Kerry is doing.
That could be a problem.
Now, what I don't understand is how people can't see that sometimes war just has to end in war.
I mean, you just have to, there has to be violence.
Things have to be fought out and done properly.
I mean, like you said earlier, this war has been going on forever, and it's going to continue to go on.
If you believe the Bible, it's never going to end.
Yes, it's always going to be there.
And what I don't understand is, like you were just alluding to, how do all these people not see that radical Islam has one theory, victory or death?
And just like you said earlier, nobody wants to talk about this.
You can't negotiate with these people.
If they do negotiate with you, all they're trying to do is negotiate so that they can have more time to regroup, find out what their next offensive is going to be, and go at that.
I mean, and it's going to spread, and it's going to keep on going, where eventually there's going to be where there's a mass of them versus a mass of everyday people like us, and there's going to have to be a war that's going to decide this.
I can answer your first question.
First question: why isn't there a hashtag?
Why don't they realize that sometimes a war is the only way to solve it?
The war being won is the end of the conflict.
Why don't they see that?
A, they're liberals.
There is a formula for liberalism to gain votes, to win support.
It is called compassion and peace.
It's called opposing all of that, no matter the reality of things.
Everything these people do is to secure votes or advance an agenda.
It's never to solve a problem.
It's the best answer I can give you.
They're not there to solve problems.
They are there to exploit them, take advantage of them, gain power as a result of the existence of the problem.
So in this situation, what do they do?
They run around, they wring their hands.
It's so terrible.
Oh, my God.
It's so bad.
Children are dying.
And women of America think that's so wonderful.
And the liberals of America, oh, God, their hearts are so right in the right.
Oh, my God, they hate violence.
That's it.
So, okay, so you secure that group.
Then there is, don't forget, after 9-11, what did our own State Department do?
The Bush State Department.
What did they do?
They convened a seminar in what did we do to make them hate us?
You know how the Republicans are afraid to criticize Obama because they're afraid of the charge of racism?
Well, the left is afraid to go after militant Islam because militant Islam might nuke them, or militant Islam might target them, or militant Islam might get mad at him or what have you.
They're just afraid.
If it's not that, then there's a worse answer.
I'm not going to broach it.
But it is mystifying, nevertheless.
We have a genuine, real-life enemy.
And if you didn't know better, you'd think it's the Republican Party.
Listening to these people.
Not militant Islam.
Not mass illegal immigration.
Stupefying things.
But never forget, as you answer or ask these questions that to you have common sense answers, the left seeks to exploit every crisis, every bit of bad news.
This conflict, they got a twofer here.
Make no mistake about it.
They would love to cut Israel down to size.
But by the way, there's a fundamental foundational thing underneath all of this, and that is Obama and his belief that the United States is the primary cause of a lot of this strife.
Because we assumed that we were a superpower.
We had no right to do that.
We had no right to impose our way.
We don't have the right to tell Putin how to govern.
We don't have the right to tell anybody what to do, except when it comes when there's a right-winger involved like that in Yahoo.
Well, they have to be dealt with.
You know, they've got to be taken down a notch.
Quick timeout.
Thanks for the call, Brian.
Appreciate it.
We'll be back before you know it.
Your guiding light through times of trouble, confusion, murkiness, abject stupidity, chaos, and yes, even the good times.
I am your guiding light, El Rushbo, the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies, Tony in Orlando.
Great to have you, sir.
Hello.
It's great to speak with you, Rush.
I just wanted to, I told your call screener, I wanted to say thank you.
I moved to Orlando about 10 years ago, and I'm a registered Democrat, and it was a liberal, and I actually voted for the Commander-in-Chief the first time.
I drank the Kool-Aid, so to speak.
And I started listening to you.
I heard a lot of disparaging remarks from a lot of my friends.
And by chance, I came across one of the radio stations on the way down from the panhandle down to Orlando, and I started listening, and a lot of the things started to make sense that you said.
And I started doing my own research, and, you know, I've definitely vastly changed in the last eight years, and I wanted to say thank you.
Well, you're welcome.
Can I ask you a question about that?
Sure.
You probably, in your liberal days, you probably really believed.
And I mean, it probably was something that you thought you'd figured out.
This is not criticism, and I've just, I've got a question I really want to know the answer to.
You probably really believed it and so forth.
Then all of a sudden, you're driving along and you hear something that, for some reason, makes you start questioning it.
Did that, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but if I were, if a situation reversed, and I'm rock-rib conservative, and if I heard something that made me start doubting what I believed, I'd be scared.
Or worried.
How did you feel?
What were you thinking when all of a sudden, oh my gosh, this is making sense?
I want to say specifically, it was a discussion you were having pertaining to global warming.
And in the last eight or ten years, I've gotten really close to my great uncle who just turned 90 two months ago, World War II Korean War vet.
And we started talking about the wars, and he hit on the whole global warming thing, and he said how he thought it was all hogwash because he was around in Florida and the hurricane and the hurricane of 1935.
And how the barometric pressure on record was lower than Hurricane Andrew that hit South Florida.
I'm like, really?
So I started to do my research.
And according to the whole global warming proponents, they say that the hurricanes have gotten into when the wet global weather has gotten worse every year since weather patterns started being tracked by NOAA and the government.
Big problem with that is there haven't been any.
Exactly.
Even to me.
1935 was actually stronger than Hurricane Andrew.
And I said, well, that's not what I've been told for years and years.
And that was kind of what started the domino effect.
I went to an Obama rally prior to that, and I voted for him.
And I started doing my research, listening to yourself and Mr. Beck.
And I'm actually planning on having a rally in support of Michael Tamarici here in the next three months if they don't release him from Mexico and Orlando.
Right.
But see, but even with all that, you say you do your research, but even with that, you had to believe what you were seeing in your research.
A lot of people just are unable to have their core beliefs change like this.
That's why I was asking you how it felt.
Because, I mean, ultimately what you end up concluding is that you were wrong if you now have changed.
You were wrong all those years about things.
I was.
I was.
I was wrong.
And, you know, but you reach a lot of conclusions whenever you start doing your own research and you do your digging past a lot of the liberal and the Democratic blogs.
Right.
So listening to this program inspired you to go out and learn on your own.
It did.
It did.
And my great uncle had a large part in it, too.
So, yeah, I'm very grateful to you for that.
I appreciate it, sir.
Well, I thank you for the call.
That's fabulous.
And I am really appreciative when I hear things like this because this shows that it happens.
We just don't hear about it, obviously, every time it happens, but we know that there are conversions, if you will, taking place out there each and every day.
And this guy, his conversion is going to hold because it is the result of he has persuaded himself that what he was hearing here is actually correct.
He's not a mind-numbed robot.
In other words, as the left likes to portray those of you in this audience.
So thank you again, Tony.
I appreciate that.
We've got another brief time out.
Time is just rolling by here.
And yes, yes, we're going to get to what I promised yesterday.
Vagina justice is coming with ample warning.
Jeff Sessions on the floor of the Senate yesterday.
A number of other things, too, still to get to.
So don't go anywhere.
Oh, by the way, folks, there is news about someone that we have previously spoken about on this program.