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Nov. 5, 2013 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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November 5, 2013, Tuesday, Hour #3
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Hi folks, welcome back.
Great to have you here, Rush Limbaugh.
Talent on loan from God.
Looking at Jake Tappert CNN, Obama adds if to health care promise.
Not Obama lied.
Obama adds if through health care promise.
And in fact, let me find it here.
Um the Associated Press, not Julie Pace.
This is Jim Coonin and Josh Lederman.
And the the headline, Obama's Simple Promises Vex.
Complex health rollout.
And what this story let me here's the lead.
President Obama's early efforts to boil down an intricate health care law so that Americans could understand it are coming back to haunt him, leaving a trail of caveats and provisos in place of the pithy claims he once used to make.
Yes, you see, because the American people are so stupid, they would have never understood it.
If Obama had said that his health care law was going to make premiums and deductibles triple, he couldn't say that.
The simpletons in this country wouldn't have understood it.
He couldn't tell them they were going to lose their current plans.
That's simply too complex for anybody to comprehend.
So Obama told them the opposite.
And now his early efforts to boil down an intricate health care law so that Americans could understand it are coming back to haunt him.
Aww.
So what we have here in the in the AP is another attempt by the drive-based to justify Obama's endless lies.
And what they're saying here in a nutshell is that the American public was too stupid to understand how good Obamacare is for them.
If they'd have been told up front about everything, they would have rejected it, and that would have been a mistake because this is the greatest thing that's ever happened.
And Obama, in order to get it through, and get it signed into law for the good of everybody, had to lie to everybody.
He's actually being very valiant.
In fact, Obama was being valorous.
He was lying to us to protect us.
Because we're too stupid to know all of the wonderful benefits of Obamacare.
If we had known about somebody's early caveats, we would have opposed it, and that would have been bad for us.
So he had to lie.
That's the thrust of the AP story.
Now let's hit the audio sound bites.
We uh shared with you yesterday excerpts of a column in the Wall Street Journal by Edie Littlefield Sundby, who has stage four gallbladder cancer.
And it was all about how she's not political, she doesn't care about any of that.
She just is up, she's losing her health care, losing her doctor, losing her great team of oncologists.
She doesn't like it.
And Aaron Burnett, CNN, got hold of her and asked her about it.
She said, when we're talking about whether Obamacare is the problem here, you're saying you've gone through the whole market.
The exchanges with Obamacare, the plans available outside of Obamacare, you're saying categorically, you can't find the plan that you have now.
Or anything similar for the same cost.
You can't find anything like and this goes right to my crux in the first hour.
Everybody apparently liked their plans.
So why the hell do we have to do this in the first place?
That's right, because there were 30 million Americans without insurance.
And the 30 million didn't have insurance because you liked your plan.
And you just want it fair for 30 million people.
It's the greatest country in the world, and 30 million uninsured.
They're going to throw everything upside down.
And but the bottom line is this is what we've now learned in the aftermath.
Everybody apparently, or the vast majority of people liked their plans compared to what they now have available.
So here is Edie Littlefield Sundby answering that question from Aaron Burnett.
I know that for a fact.
Just like when I was hit with a curveball called terminal cancer, stage four cancer, I had to be quick.
I had to be thorough, and I had to act.
And so when my policies cancel, I have to be the very same.
I have to be attentive, pay attention, and really, really get down to the nuts and bolts of it to make sure, because I am alive for just a couple of reasons.
I'm alive because I'm really, really lucky, and I'm blessed.
And part of that luck and that blessing has been my doctor's and my health care policy.
And I am alive by a very large extent because I could control who I chose to provide medical coverage and where that medical coverage was coming from.
And control is life.
She wasn't through.
She kept going.
And less than point eight percent of us are alive in eight years.
Well, I'm almost at eight years.
I will be in another year, and God willing, I will still be alive, but I will only be alive if I can when it hits again when I can respond quickly.
And I don't know where I'm going to need to go.
I may need to go back to M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston.
I definitely will be at Stanford Cancer Center because they have worked this wonderful miracle with my life.
or I may have to go someplace else.
I need a policy that gives me what UnitedHealthcare gave me for the last seven years.
That's the point.
She can't find it.
She can't find it with Obamacare.
She can't find it outside of Obamacare.
Now, why is that?
She had it.
She had a policy.
She was paying, she liked everybody was happy, go lucky, or everybody was comfortable with it.
Obamacare comes along and it vanishes.
She can't get it as part of Obamacare.
She can't get it outside of Obamacare, which is not even legal.
She can't find it.
Scared to death, you can have a recurrence, and then what does she do?
Well, what does she do?
Can we go back to June 24th, 2009?
Because here's what she's going to do now.
There was a woman on an ABC special that asked the President of the United States about her mother.
My mother is now over 105.
But at 100, the doctor said to her, I can't do anything more unless you have a pacemaker.
And I said, go for it.
She said, go for it.
But the specialist said, no, she's too old.
When the other specialist saw her, saw her joy of life, so on, he said, I'm gonna go for it.
And that was over five years ago.
My question, Mr. President, outside the medical criteria for prolonging life for somebody who's elderly, is there any consideration that can be given?
Can you believe I still can't believe this was question was asked in the United States of America?
A citizen in the White House asking the president, well, can we consider uh my mother's spirit, her will to live when she's 105 for medical?
Can we can can we can we why that why is this Obama's business?
Why does he get to say no?
Your mother is not worth keeping alive.
Why does he get to say that?
What the hell have we become?
So you just heard Edie Littlefield Sunday say, I don't know where I'm gonna go if this cancer comes back, it's I'm I'm already at the life expectancy with this disease.
I need to go back to M. D. Anderson, Stanford Cancer Center, whatever.
Well, I can't find the policy.
I don't know what I'm gonna do.
This woman asking Obama, what about my mom?
She wants to live.
She's 105.
Can we accommodate her, will deliver her spirit?
I don't think that we can make judgments based on people's spirit.
Uh, that'd be a pretty subjective decision to be making.
I think we have to have rules that say that we are going to provide good quality care for all people.
End of life care is one of the most difficult sets of decisions that we're gonna have to make.
But understand that those decisions are already being made in one way or another.
If they're not being made under Medicare and Medicaid, they're being made by private insurers.
At least we can let doctors know, and your mom know that you know what, maybe this isn't gonna help.
Maybe you're better Off not having the surgery, but taking uh the painkiller.
Maybe we just have to tell your mom that, you know, maybe you're better off not having the surgery.
Just you know, take the painkiller.
The president of the United States actually said that to a citizen in telling her, no, no, somebody's will deliver their spirit.
No, we can't start factoring that in.
It's just got to be a money thing.
It's gonna be, is it do we have the money to spend on your 105-year-old mother, or is it better spent on somebody in their 30s who's gonna live a long time after we offer the treatment?
That's what he was saying.
So, in the case your mother pain pill city, we'll do the best we can for what time she's got left.
That's what Edie Littlefield Sunbee is facing.
She can't find the policy.
She can't find treatment, she can't find anything like she had that has kept her alive.
So President's already answered what happens in that situation.
We make them comfortable as we can and assure them we love them.
And there's really nothing we can do.
Here's the pain killer.
Okay, back to the phones.
We go.
Salem, Wisconsin.
This is Larry.
It's uh great to have you, Larry.
Hi, how are you?
Great, thank you so much.
I'm fine.
Hope you're doing well as well.
Thank you, sir.
Well, but uh and the reason I'm calling uh two very quick points, and then I'll get to my main point where I reason I call.
That comment that I've heard a number of times about Obama talking about the elderly lady, you know, that is the most disgusting, despicable thing.
And we know why.
Because all the elderly, especially the elderly that are ill, are considered by this person simply a charge to the state, and as soon as as soon as they are no longer living, then uh then uh that this provides the state a little bit more dollars, they don't have to pay off for these people.
Two, um I'd like to like to bring up uh Obama's comment concerning people just being one paycheck away from uh financial ruin.
There's something else in the works here that's gonna bring them less than a paycheck from financial ruin, and that is this.
Any CPA or corporate CEO out here that knows that has any kind of integrity uh will confirm this, which I have already myself.
But the IRS is getting ready.
If you people start looking at their W-2 forms in block 14, uh, which is quote the other box, labeled the other block box, they're gonna they possibly might be seeing two initials in that very soon.
A double D, D. And they'll be told that that's for informational purposes only.
For what the IRS is getting ready to do, probably after the two thousand fourteen elections, is to assign a value to the insurance premiums being paid by employers for employees, but assign that tax liability to the employee.
And what that's gonna do, I don't know how it's gonna treat the employers, whether they'll be able to still continue to maintain the uh continue the adjustment on their on their profits.
But what it's gonna do is increase the tax liability of the employee.
So if someone's making it.
Well, now I know that I know this has been talked about forever, taxing employee benefits and adding the equivalent income, but have they decided to firmly do that?
Well, it's already being briefed out here by by uh CPAs and the insurance companies know of this already.
And uh no, I know everybody knows about it in terms of a of a of a possibility, but has the law been passed that they're actually gonna start uh taxing employer benefits, not just health insurance, whatever the benefit is, as imputed income, and they're gonna start charging, adding that to your adjustable gross if that as that law passed and he signed it, that's actually gonna start happening in 2014.
It has not been signed yet, but it's in the works and it will happen, yes.
Right.
Well, it's I just it's that's that's been in the works for a long time.
I have no doubt that it is going to happen at some point.
Just like I think the mortgage interest deduction is gonna go by the wayside because the entire concept of homeownership is changing.
More people are renting, they can't afford it.
Look at a housing market and so forth.
I think we're in the midst of all kinds of things.
And I know we've got this massive national debt.
What do they do?
Raise taxes.
There's going to be a value added tax.
You know, the more Democrats win, the more of this there's gonna be, the more any Washington establishment candidates win.
This is where we're headed.
We're gonna get if if if the Democrats get their way, and it it won't, you know, I don't know how long it'll be after the 2014 or 2016 or 2018 or 2020 elections, but at some point they are going to start attaching the imputed income value to your benefits and add that to your AGI, and you'll pay taxes on that, not just your uh your gross salary.
Give you an illustration.
Let's say that your salary is a hundred grand, just pick a number, but your benefit package is worth 25.
The way the government looks at that right now, you're getting 25,000 free income that you're they're not taxing.
So if your benefit package, health care and whatever else that you get from where your job is adds up to what I say 25,000 in this case, that get that's imputed income.
You never see it, it's never in your take home pay.
It's not there on your gross, but it's gonna start being, and you're gonna pay taxes based on that.
Massive tax increase.
They also want a carbon tax.
Three million Britons cannot afford to pay their energy bills because massive carbon taxes have been imposed while they are getting rid of fossil fuels as energy sources, because the left wing in this this silly climate change global warming hoax, they're using windmills and solar and all this, which doesn't provide enough electricity.
And uh so they have to have the fossil fuel coal as a backup, but they've deemphasized it, therefore there's less supply, it's more expensive.
Three million Britons can't pay their utility bills.
That's coming here.
But they need the money.
They even with all the QE3, QE4, the national debt isn't going down, national debt's getting bigger, the deficit isn't coming down appreciably, and not consistently.
So this is the this is the Democrat dream is a value added tax, imputed income on your benefits that will be taxed.
They've been threatening that 20 years.
That's gonna happen someday.
The mortgage interest deduction, you know as well as I do that every election that comes up, somebody proposes it, some candidate somewhere, and he always goes by the wayside at some point.
These Washington establishment types keep winning.
Uh they will implement this, and uh and and make it happen.
So all this stuff is desired.
And the odds of all of it happening are increased exponentially if Democrats win.
This is what they do.
And their excuse is well, we still have the uninsured that we have to pay for, even despite Obamacare.
Got massive deficits.
Uh, there's still a wide income gap.
We got to take more money from the rich, it just isn't fair.
They keep saying same things.
And they'll make you think your taxes aren't going up.
It's only the rich.
You'll be safe.
Uh so just keep a sharp eye.
Whether they've done it yet or not, they want to.
Here's uh here's uh Andrea.
Okay, well, I thought your boxes are not big.
Andrea in uh in Chicago, great to have you on the program.
Hi.
Hi there, how are you?
I'm fine, thank you.
Great.
Um this is the first time I'm calling, so I'm real excited about talking to you.
My uh question is, Rush, is where are the insurance companies in the why aren't they speaking out?
For better, for worse, whatever.
I'm I hate to use the word, but I'm really pissed off at my insurance company because I did get one of those letters of cancellation, and I really liked my insurance program for me and my daughter, and I don't know what I'm gonna do now.
And I'm just really mad because the insurance companies are not talking.
You know, where's the Blue Cross Blue Shield and uh Aetna and all those big companies?
Why aren't they saying something?
Well one of the reasons is that they were co-opted into supporting all of this back in 2007, 2008, because they were told that Obamacare was going to require everybody to have a policy.
And that the uninsured were going to be covered.
So they saw 30 million, whatever the number was, brand new customers.
They saw a government making everybody get insurance, and they thought, well, my God, how can we not sign on to this?
We don't need to spend another diamond advertising.
We got a government that's gonna make people become our customers.
And now I have to think, Andrea, that the insurance companies are just starting to realize that they're going to lose big money.
I don't understand it either.
I don't know why they didn't see that the objective is to put them out of business in 10 to 15 years.
This is I I'm sitting here, I am flummoxed, I'm amazed, I do not, I understand the lure of crony capitalism.
The lure of being brought in, being close to power, being protected.
Why don't these people see that Obama wants to ruin their industry and eliminate it and replace it with the government?
I I'm at a loss to answer your question.
Hi, how are you?
Welcome back.
Great to have you, Il Rushbow.
Executing assigned host duties flawlessly, zero mistakes.
Don't forget when it comes to the insurance companies, the regime is ordering them not to talk to the media.
Remember that?
Earlier, this I guess this is Tuesday.
It's either Monday or Friday.
We had the story that the regime is ordering insurance companies not to divulge the number of cancellations they are making.
And you might say, well, how can I do that?
Don't forget.
These people were all bought off, folks.
Don't you remember the uh was it this?
I hospitals, insurance companies were uh i if if they were given money and preferential treatment if they ran ads supporting Obamacare, remember.
And the insurance companies, they thought that millions of brand new customers were coming their way.
The thing that that I just I uh this is what continually flummoxes me.
And it's it you know, let me tell you something.
The best way to explain all this is we we say that what's going on here is is socialism and so forth, and uh to an extent, yeah.
But what really is happening here is crony, I don't even want to say capitalism.
It's not, it's not there's no capitalism had it.
What what is happening here is that the regime is simply buying and luring support from businesses that people would think are oriented toward capitalism and free markets and free enterprise.
And it's like GE.
I mean, they're they're they're they're giving uh GE and all these Cylindra people and uh the green energy people.
They're literally given federal money in exchange for loyalty to the regime.
And what you have is a a melding, if you will, of the government with corporations.
And the corporations go for it because they have close ties, they're right next to the seat of power.
In many cases, they're bought off with money and grants or what have you, and the insurance companies' cases promised new Customers.
How in the world they don't see who they're dealing with in Obama.
Maybe they do and they don't care.
Just take the just look at the here and the now in the next three years and make hay while they can, and then if they go out of business, so what?
Just score what they can.
It's it's all anathema in in terms of common sense.
And you know, that's a good way to put it.
That there every one of these corporate entities is trying to be the last one eaten by the alligator.
They're all giving the scorpion the trip across the pond, with the scorpion promising they're not gonna sting them.
And before they get across the pond, the scorpion will sting them, and the CEO of the insurance agency will why why did you sting me, Obama?
What am I?
I'm a scorpion.
What do I do?
I sting you.
It's your mistake for believing me.
They all think that they're gonna be the ones untouched by all this.
And they they fall for it because they refuse to admit who and what Obama is.
He lied to them.
He lied to the insurance companies.
They're not reaping a windfall profit under Obamacare.
They're gonna be thrown into a death spiral.
Single payers coming.
They're out of business.
I I don't know how they don't see it, but they don't see it.
Or maybe they did see it, and they say, okay, we know that our days are numbered, so we're gonna score what we can while we can and get out with as much money as we can by the time we get stung.
Whatever.
There's no fight back.
This is my point.
This is this is the reason that the second hour monologue that I I there's no pushback.
And I've lived all these years under the under the idea that I'm on a team fighting back, trying to stop this and reverse it.
Here's Tina in Jupiter, Florida, right up the road.
Great to have you.
Hello.
Hi, Russ.
Thank you for taking my call.
Um I'm a hardworking uh medical professional, mother of five.
I'm married to a also hardworking professional with a good income.
Never in a million years dreamed that next year we would need to be concerned about our health coverage.
Um my point is uh I would really like to see a situation where we get a grassroots group of people starting to turn where they don't wish to be part of the Obamacare process, willing to take the hit of the penalty, somehow get in conjunction with insurance companies that are also being sideswiped by this process, and establish a system where we can be independent of the government involvement.
There is.
It's called cash.
I'm not kidding.
You find a doctor in a hospital, it'll take cash or your credit card.
They're out there.
I'm not being facetious.
It it's and when I say cash, I mean write a check, just don't have an insurance plan, put it on a credit card, but pay them directly with no insurance company middleman.
There are more doctors leaving Medicaid than you can shake a stick at because they're not being reimbursed properly, timely, or sufficiently, and they want to stay in business, and they're they're they're they're working to create clientele that'll just pay them directly for service, like you would any other being go to a lawyer, you don't have lawyer insurance, do you?
You don't have hotel room insurance, do you?
You pay for it when you get there doctors that try to set up businesses exactly like that, with a limited clientele that'll pay cash and the services immediate and so forth.
Same thing with the hospitals.
They're they're out.
That's one of the most elementary free market solutions there is.
Problem is that most people have now, since World War II, just been accustomed to insurance paying everything, not paying for it themselves.
They are, they just don't they don't have the um the they don't write a check to a doctor.
They don't well, maybe they do out of pocket or or before the deductible is hit.
So it's not maybe not that bad in terms of the mystique of uh living under the illusion somebody else is paying for everything.
But I think that's the solution.
The problem comes in when you you develop a catastrophic illness, you have an accident, Causes a hospital say that runs into 1.1 million.
Um, your average American citizen doesn't have that disposable cash for those kinds of medical expenses.
This is true.
This is true.
How let's how often do those things happen at the same time?
It only has to happen once.
You know, in an individual's life to uh but that's another what what I'm trying to suggest here is that the other for lack of a better term, let's call it day-to-day health care.
Pay for it out of out of your pocket if you need a checkup to test or what of this kind of catastrophic.
Um my guess is no, I shouldn't guess it.
Um I don't know if it's going to be illegal for insurance companies to exist outside of Obamacare.
After things go, I I happen to think there's going to be a black market for exactly the kind of thing you're talking about, because this that just like there's a black market in cigarettes, when things get too expensive and the system is what it is, people find ways around it.
Uh and and when there are people with money who want to find ways around things, there are people who will sell.
Uh offshore health care is development.
Costa Rica is a great example of a country.
Uh, and they they yeah, they do it under the guise of tourism, but they will they'll sell you, they've got doctors down there that will sell you this kind of catastrophic insurance if you need now that may not satisfy you in a car wreck here.
How do you get to Costa Rica?
I understand all the objections to it.
But what you're doing is illustrating exactly how this whole system has become just blown up and bastardized.
Because what you ought to be able to do is go to the doctor for your standard ordinary everyday health treatment and have insurance for nothing but catastrophic for if that happens.
And because of Obamacare, you can't do that.
You've got to sign on to the whole kitten caboodle.
You've got to sign on where people getting free birth control pills, free contraception, free condoms, free whatever.
All you know, these these left-wing wet dreams thrown into where everybody else is paying for it, jacking up your premiums for things you're never gonna use, never gonna access, but other people do, and you're being pay you're being asked to pay for it.
Yes.
And and I liken this to being told what kind of car I have to buy, and that I need to have uh that day's coming group and para windows um when I don't really need them or want them.
And um it's it's no different.
You're just transferring those demands to a healthcare environment.
You are exactly right.
You are taking free will away from people, and you are mandating that everybody live as numbers on a ledger.
You are not an individual anymore.
You're just a number with a set of statistics.
And a computer and a health panel are going to determine what happens to you based on the data that is input about you.
All this in the name of efficiency and fairness and uh and what have you.
This is why for I I may be beating myself up against brick wall, but I this is why I have so admired what Cruz was trying to do, and not give up and fight back against this, however we do it.
Because the the the alternative are just unacceptable.
Circumstance that Tina describes here, the uh all the this woman gallbladder cancer, Sunbee, Ely, E. D. Sun, but these are just these are unacceptable circumstances.
There's no reason for any of this to be reformed like this.
No reason for this change.
There's no reason for this health care system to get worse like this, other than to enrich the Democrat Party.
And that's not good enough for me.
A story here that I didn't have a chance to get to yesterday or today.
Thirteen nutrition lies that made the world sick and fat.
And it's just another example of how We are being lied to so much by government people for different reasons and activists of the left.
Uh one of the let's give some 13 nutrition lies.
Eggs are bad for your health.
Myth.
Saturated fat is unhealthy.
Myth.
Eating a lot of protein, bad for you.
Myth.
Uh low carb diets, bad for you.
Myth.
They're actually the best diet you could do.
Everybody should be cutting back on sodium.
Myth.
I'll go into more detail on these tomorrow because they're fascinating.
No, no, no.
I I I like I said yesterday, Ken Cuccinelli, I thought, was tough, sincere, a warrior.
I thought he was a great conservative when I talked to him.
I wish him the best today.
In Virginia.
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