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Oct. 21, 2013 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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October 21, 2013, Monday, Hour #2
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Yes, Rush is a little under the weather today.
He's got a few Obamacare rollout glitches tickling the back of his throat.
Nothing too serious, but just a little glitchiness in his throat.
And he's taken a day to rest up and tanking himself up on Theraflu, if you can still get that.
I take it that's not a prescription drug yet, like everything else is, but he will be back tomorrow behind the Golden EIB microphone for full strength excellence in broadcasting.
In the meantime, this is your undocumented anchor man, the last unamnestied immigrant in America, Mark Stein, live from Ice Station EIB in far northern New Hampshire.
As we follow up on the President's press conference, he was introduced by the first person in the state of Delaware.
This is going to go down in history, by the way.
This is like, what's his name?
The guy Hillary Clinton claimed to be named after.
So Edmund Hillary, who conquered Everest in 1952.
This lady in Delaware conquered the Delaware Healthcare Exchange website and was able to enroll for healthcare.
The first person with Sherpas and avoiding all the Yetis and abominable snowmen to hack her way up to the cross up the sheer ice face to the peak of the Delaware Healthcare Enrollment website and become the first person in the state of Delaware to enroll in Obamacare.
And she got to no, I think there was another person, HR, who was behind.
they had a lady who's apparently diabetic behind the president, who apparently fainted and had to be helped off the state.
I think that was another person from there.
It wasn't clear to me whether she'd enrolled in anything just yet.
I mean, she fainted at the White House.
I take it if you faint at the White House, they will take you somewhere to be treated.
But the President had to help her.
She was so overcome by emotion when the President declared that this is a good product, the product worked, that she fainted.
The president said to people, forget about the website.
Obamacare is more than a website.
It's not just a website, it's a way of life.
You'll enjoy once you're on there and you're in the virtual waiting room with other people like you.
You'll be with virtual neighbors.
You'll be sitting next to a virtual guy who's virtually coughing in an irritating manner every eight seconds.
Once you're in the virtual waiting room, everything will be fine.
And the best way to get to the virtual waiting room is he said to forget about the website and call 1-800-318-2596.
1-800-318-2596.
People have been doing it.
Annie Lowry got a busy signal.
Jonathan Weissman got a message saying, I'm sorry, due to extremely high call volume, no customer service representative is available.
We're sorry, but due to extremely high call volume, all of our customer service representatives are currently busy.
Please call back later in the day or during the weekend.
Or like leave it till 2 in the morning when there's nobody trying to call up 1-800 healthcare except the guy out in Guam who's got a hernia and wants it treated urgently or whatever.
Leave it till 2 or 3 in the morning and you may stand a sporting chance of getting through.
This is the way it is now, folks.
Oh, and Byron York, Byron York, my old comrade from National Review a few years ago, you can now see him on Fox News and things.
Byron York just tweeted that you can't make this up.
He got through on the 800 number, followed the prompts, and by the time you've gone through all the press one for English, press two if you've got a broken leg, plus four if you've got erectile dysfunction.
By the time he came through to the big thing on the Obamacare hotline, when you get to the mother load, when you hit the big time, when you go through all the prompts, it says, Thanks for calling.
Please go to healthcare.gov, sign in.
That's the Obamacare hotline.
We're different here.
1-800-282-2882.
You'll enjoy our virtual waiting room.
You really will.
So call us, 1-800-282-2882.
By the way, I'd like to hear, I said earlier at the show, I'd like to hear if you were a successful enrollee.
I'd be interested to hear from you.
I gather there are only like seven of them in a nation of over 300 million people.
So it may well be that they're all busy introducing the president and the vice president and Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi at Obamacare campaign stops across the land and so aren't available to call in.
But if you're a person who has supported Obamacare, who thought that this was the piece of the puzzle, this was what America needed to do, if you're pro-Obamacare, call me up and tell me what you think of the way the rollout has gone so far.
Dick Durbin thinks it's going terrifically.
Dick Durbin said on the Sunday shows yesterday that he thinks it's swell.
He doesn't see what the fuss is about.
Dick Durbin thinks it's all going just dandy.
So if you agree with Dick Durbin, I'd love to hear from you.
1-800-282-2882.
This thing, by the way, came about half a decade back.
The standard line, before Obamacare, the standard rap on American healthcare was, oh, isn't it disgusting?
America is like the only country in the developed world in which there are tens of millions of people without any form of health coverage.
Isn't that disgraceful?
Isn't that obscene?
Under the Congressional Budget Office's own projections, by the year 2020, there will still be over 30 million.
By the way, these will be revised up.
But right now, the most recent figures, the CBO says there will still be over 30 million people without health insurance in the year 2020.
So that's, I know that doesn't sound like a lot, but that's the entire population of Canada will still be uninsured, basically, by the year 2020.
So the idea of covering, providing universal coverage, as Obama still calls it, he calls it universal healthcare.
If 30 million people haven't got it, there's nothing universal about it.
So it doesn't solve that problem.
And by the same token, instead of dealing with the people who haven't got health insurance, it monkeys about with all the people who are actually quite satisfied with their health insurance.
For example, NBC News reported at the weekend that in just two states, half a million people, 460,000 Americans in just two states, in California and Florida, are currently facing insurance plan cancellations as they're being driven to the healthcare.gov exchanges.
In other words, these people having their existing healthcare, these weren't part of the millions and millions, tens of millions of people who didn't have healthcare insurance.
These people did the right thing.
They'd made provision for healthcare.
They were paying their premiums every month.
They were grown up and responsible and they got healthcare insurance.
And they're being told now, sorry, that plan is no longer legal under Obamacare.
We're kicking you off this plan and you've got to go to the exchanges.
Except the exchanges don't work.
And So you're being told, don't worry, we're kicking you out the door.
You can't have your health care through us anymore.
Blue Cross, Blue Shield, forget it.
You're out there.
But don't worry, there's this great new government website, and all you have to do is go there.
Except that you can't.
Except that you can't.
You can't go on there.
It doesn't work, doesn't function.
But there's 460,000 Americans in California and Florida alone.
This NBC News reported this over the weekend who are being kicked off their present healthcare arrangements and being transferred to.
Now, do you realize what's staggering about that is in just two states, my colleague David French pointed this out in National Review.
In just two states, that's 10 times more people who are having their health coverage canceled as having as have enrolled in Obamacare nationwide.
Supposedly, some 40,000 people have enrolled in Obamacare nationwide.
And that's a kind of phony statistic, and we're taking it on trust.
But that's what they're saying.
That's what they're saying.
That's 40,000.
It's about one-third.
Let me work it out.
It's about one-sixth of 1% have enrolled in Obamacare nationwide.
Ten times as many people have been kicked off their insurance in just two states.
I mean, this is not, there's nothing kind or caring or compassionate about this.
It's actually extremely cruel.
It's extremely stressful to do it.
Florida Blue is terminating about 300,000 policies in Florida.
That's about 80%.
80% of individual policies in the state of Florida have just been cancelled.
Kaiser Permanente in California has dropped about half of its individual customers in the state.
That's about 160,000 people.
Insurer Highmark in Pittsburgh is dropping about 20%, 20% of its individual customers, while Blue Cross, which is the biggest insurer in Philadelphia, is dropping about 45% of its individual customers.
So that lady in Delaware, the first, oh, look, we found her.
The Loch Ness monster has emerged from the depths and is standing on the stage introducing the President of the United States, the first person in the state of Delaware to successfully use the healthcare navigators to ascend to the top of the website and become the first successful enrollee in the state of Delaware.
Even if you accept these phony government numbers, multiple times, 10 times in Florida alone, about eight times as many people have been kicked off their health insurance as have been enrolled nationwide.
Obama, why isn't Obama owning this?
You imagine if Bush inflicted something like this on the nation.
You imagine if a Republican president had done this.
And Obama gets, this was his signature legislation.
This is his.
It's named after him.
It's his.
And he stands up there and he goes, well, this isn't acceptable to me and my team.
It's yours.
It's nothing to do with your what's acceptable to you.
This is you.
You did it.
The buck stops here.
Remember that?
The buck stops.
Where does the buck stop with Obamacare?
It's named after you.
It's your signature policy.
You own it.
You're doing this.
And the question, the question here, how many Americans have to have their lives wrecked?
Because that's what it is now.
I mean, the amount of money for like lousy health insurance in this country with high deductibles, as we were hearing earlier, so you can have the highest deductible and you can have the most pathetic, constrained, restricted, shriveled little policy that obliges you to drive hours and hours and hours to see the one lousy doctor who's still in the network.
And that policy still costs you a huge amount of money.
When are all those 300,000 people in Florida and 160,000 people in California and the 48% of individuals in the Philadelphia area?
When are all these blue state, blue voting areas?
When are these people going to understand who's responsible for this and hang it around the neck of the president?
I would love to hear from you if you're one of the guys who supported this thing and who supports Obamacare now.
Because even by socialist healthcare standards, this is a disaster.
The introduction of the National Health Service in Britain wasn't like this.
Introduction of Medicare in Canada wasn't like this.
Introduction of continental health systems wasn't like this.
This is a disaster unknown to government healthcare systems anywhere around the world.
1-800-282-2882.
Mark Stein in for Rush.
America's number one radio show, Mark Stein in for Rush.
Associate Press response reports: new architectural evidence has been found that ancient Britons, prehistoric Britons, lived on a diet that included roast toad.
They found the remains of a partially burnt toad leg, suggesting that hunter-gatherers in what's now the United Kingdom lived on roast toad.
The gentleman from Simon Parford from the Natural History Museum in London said, being English, we don't eat frogs.
So they just eat at roast toad.
You'll get used to it, foraging for toads after total societal collapse.
It's not so bad.
You do need something to wash it down with, though.
So make it one for my baby and one more for the toad.
Let's go to Joe.
Joe is calling us from the enrollee free state of New York.
Joe, which part of New York are you in, by the way?
Upstate New York, central New York.
Okay, and you've run into no Obamacare enrollees in your part of the state or any other.
No.
Okay.
What sort of your body today, Joe?
I'm just, my point would be that a lot of these established Republicans, Carl Rowe of other talks your hosts, they keep saying that we should just let Obamacare implode.
My point being that by just letting this implode, I mean, it's causing irreversible damage that all of us are suffering in the meantime.
And it's something that you're never going to be able to roll back.
And I'd just like to know what your comment is on that.
Yeah, I agree with you there.
I mean, these people, I mean, Mitch McConnell's line now is, oh, just let Obamacare is going to be so self-evidently destructive that when we win our spectacular victory in the Senate election and the next presidential election, then we will be able to repeal it and roll it back.
When do the Republicans ever do that?
There's Carter-era innovations like the entirely useless federal Department of Education, Federal Energy Department, even the National Endowment of the Arts, when for decades it's been mocked for giving public monies to crucifixes floating in urine and homoerotic photography involving bullwhips attractively positioned.
None of those little nickel and dime things has the Republican Party succeeded in rolling back.
What are the odds that when this thing implodes, the Republicans are going to be making such a tremendous case for genuine free choice in health care that Obamacare will be repealed?
I don't see that.
I think the danger here, Joe, is that people will, once it's a disaster, people will, the government for a start always doubles down on disaster.
So if it's a disaster, they'll say, well, we need more government interference.
We need a tighter government system.
We need more government control.
We need government-owned hospitals.
We need government-employed doctors.
We need government-employed nurses.
Is it more likely they'll say that, or that the Mitch McConnell line, well, Obamacare's imploded, so now we can set up a proper private health care system in the rubble, is going to work?
I think that's way too complacent.
Republicans have been complacent about the Department of Education, National Endowment of the Arts, and everything else for decades, and that's why they haven't reversed any of them.
I mean, Joe, where do you go on this, though?
How do you tell the Republican Party they need a real strategy for this?
Well, I think we need to start electing more conservatives to begin with.
They need to stop putting up candidates like John McCain and those kind of candidates aren't going to get anything done.
I mean, they're talking about Chris Christie right now.
I mean, you're going to go back to the same old, same old.
And, you know, it hasn't been successful in the past, and you want to continue with the same plan.
Hey, you know what?
I'll just throw in a thought to that because I was thinking about this a few days ago when we got this deal on the debt ceiling.
So we've blown through $17 trillion and it's going to go up to $18 trillion now, just another trillion dollars in spending, which is more than the combined total debt of Canada and Australia combined.
Their total national debt is less than just one late-night bipartisan deal on the debt ceiling.
And what's fascinating me about that is you say we need to elect more conservatives and all the rest of it, is that these guys don't even have to be, shouldn't even have to be that conservative.
There shouldn't necessarily be anything hardcore right-wing about recognizing when something is a disaster and doesn't work.
Even the squishiest rhino-squish, I mean, we're talking here about the practical reality.
We're talking about Jeb Bush down in Florida.
Jeb Bush is nobody's idea of Mr. right-wing, Mr. Conservative.
A lot of people don't like him, consider him a squish on immigration, all the rest of it.
Jeb Bush, in his state, a third of a million people have lost their health.
You know, Florida is a tribute to American health because Americans at the end of their days live such long, active lives that they had to invent a state to put them all in.
So they could all play golf and go and watch Tony Danza in dinner theater and do all the other stuff you do in Florida.
They had to create an entire state for old people to vacation in.
There's no state in Germany that exists just for old people to vacation in.
There's no part of Belgium that exists just for old people to live.
And so Florida embodies what worked about American health care.
And instead, a third of a million people have just been told, hey, you had perfect health insurance.
You were perfectly happy with it.
Sorry, so long hassle of it.
Even a Rhino squish, even the squishiest, jelly-spined, nothing of a worthless slug of a legislature should be able to see that that doesn't work.
And the complacency about this, the idea that all Republicans have to do is just like string along for a couple of years.
Obamacare's disaster will take, no, it won't.
Obamacare will, Hilaire Belloc's famous quote: Always keep a hold of nurse for fear of finding something worse.
People will cling to the government because government has wrecked their lives.
Yes, Rush is a little bit under the weather, a little bit under the weather day.
Got a bit of a tickle, get a bit of a glitch in the throat.
A touch of early autumn flu coming on.
But he will, assuming the intense 24-hour shock treatment has worked, he should be back here live for full-strength, authentic, all-American excellence in broadcasting starting tomorrow and taking through the end of the week.
So you need not be discombobulated by sinister foreign guest hosts.
But don't forget, if you go to rushlimbore.com, by the way, rushlimbore.com does work.
We didn't spend half a billion dollars on it, and nobody outsourced it to companies in Montreal.
It's a website that works, and if you go on there and you're a Rush 24-7 subscriber, you can get Rush in almost any medium at whatever time of the day you want.
So don't let your Obamacare experience put you off this whole internet newfangled computer thing.
Say, screw this, I'm going back to my fax machine.
It worked way better than this Obamacare website type stuff.
The RushLimbore.com website does work, and if you go on there and you're a Rush 24-7 subscriber, you can enjoy Rush at times of your convenience.
You won't need, it's not like Obamacare, you don't need an Obamacare navigator.
There won't be a RushLimbore.com navigator to negotiate you through logging onto the website or anything.
It's all very straightforward.
RushLimbore.com.
Sad news.
Sad news, a dog that became an internet sensation after crashing an Indiana half marathon has died just a week after receiving a medal for completing the race.
This dog went viral.
A 100-pound chocolate Labrador retriever named Boogie ran the 13.1 miles of the October 5th Evansville, Indiana Marathon after escaping his leash the night before.
And the organizers of the event, or whoever hands out the medals, gave him a medal for completing the race.
His owner, Jerry Butts, this is the thanks that a poor old Boogie got, was so thrilled by Boogie completing the race and getting a medal for completing the marathon that he made an appointment for the dog to be neutered after the race to curb his wandering ways.
So poor old the Evansville Courier and Press reports that Boogie died Tuesday of an apparent heart attack at the age of 10.
I believe the natural causes 10 years old.
He wasn't trying to log on to petcare.gov and register for his Obama veterinary care or anything.
But poor old Boogie, dead at the age of 10, a week after completing the Indiana half marathon.
Let us go to Sedge in the same state as...
No, no, no, not the same state.
Just a little ways away in Indiana.
But Sedge is in Rockford, Illinois.
Got my two-letter postal abbreviations mixed up there.
Sedge, you're live on the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Great to have you with us.
Hi, Mark.
Do you know you realize the Obama administration is saying it's okay to commit a felon?
If you don't have insurance, they'll just spine you.
But because Obamacare is a federal program, that fine is a felony.
Think, your credit rating is going to be ruined.
You'll never be able to get a federal job.
And the Obamacare's new model should say Obamacare felony.
Felons, welcome.
Yeah, you know, that's actually a very interesting point, Sedge.
Because if you think about it just in purely financial terms, the most affordable kind of health coverage in America now is that $695 fine or the 2.5% of your income.
Because if you look at what people are paying now for health insurance, it's cranked up way past 2.5% of your income.
It's way over $695.
So if you're a relative, for many people, the rational thing to do would be to say, I'm not going to get any health insurance.
It doesn't matter if I get sick because you can't decline coverage for pre-existing conditions.
So I'm healthy at the moment.
I'm just going to pay the $695.
But you're saying now that, in fact, while that makes sense in economic terms, it could do substantial damage to just your credit rating and your background check.
And three, four, five, six, seven years down the road, it will show up on your record and affect your ability to get a job or access credit or all kinds of other things.
Is that right, Sedge?
Yeah, I mean, it's a felony.
I mean, it's a federal program.
So the fine is a felony.
You know, no if cents or but.
Well, that's an I don't know whether it's I don't know whether it's technically a felony.
It's certainly a violation of a law for which you're being fined.
So I don't know whether it just merely looks looked on the fact that I don't know whether it simply has the same status in a legal sense as say a late payment on a mortgage.
You know, if you pay a mortgage payment late once, that'll all get lost in the wash.
But if you're doing it month in, month out, it starts to tell.
And by the same token, if you've got, say, five Obamacare $695 penalties in a row on your record, whether that actually comes out and starts affecting your ability to get credit, ability to get a mortgage, ability to borrow money for a car or whatever.
That's the question, Sedge, whether it'll have practical consequences on your life.
And you reckon it will.
Oh, for sure.
I mean, I worked processing Medicare Part B claims, and I was always told if you break a federal law, it is a felony.
So in other words, I mean, that's interesting if you look at it that way.
I mean, I tend to take a relatively relaxed view of that.
I mentioned on this show a couple of years ago that I went in the office one morning and found my office manager, Ashen Faced, holding a letter from the New York State Bureau of Compliance informing me that I was in non-compliance with the Bureau of Compliance, and the fine for that was $14,000 or whatever it was.
I mean, I tend to take the view that there are laws against everything now.
Or to be more precise, there are regulations against everything, and that at any one time, anybody is in breach of 300 different micro laws or whatever.
But in this case, essentially, this is something that and by the way, just look at it from this way, Sedge.
Just look at it from the constitutional point of view.
Basically, Chief Justice Roberts attempted to argue that this was in fact a tax.
It's not a penalty at all.
The administration's position is that it's a fee.
Chief Justice Roberts' way of getting himself off the awkward hook of being able to rule Obamacare constitutional was that it came under the taxing power of the United States.
But you're saying that in effect, it's basically you're being penalized for breaking the law.
So, in effect, it's the equivalent of having multiple parking tickets or multiple fines for breaking some other kind of, you know, it's the equivalent of driving too fast and getting fined and all the you're saying it's so so in other words, we have three contradictory views here.
The administration says it's a user fee or it's a fee.
The administration says it's a fee.
The chief justice says it's a tax.
And you're saying, no, the important thing to bear in mind is that it's a crime.
And that'd be interesting you.
Okay, if you look at it as a federal tax, if you break a tax law, it's a felony.
So I would go with Supreme Court.
And that's what I think.
That's a great way of looking.
That's a great look.
In the case of any.
What happens, by the way?
This is the Washington Post said.
What happens if you can't pay the penalty?
Section 1501 of the Affordable Care Act reads, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.
If the penalty does not come out of a refund, it does not fully disappear.
Instead, it gets carried over to next year's tax filings, and the IRS is allowed to charge interest on any unpaid tax penalty.
So the tax penalties are cumulative.
And so, actually, Sedge, simply in IRS terms, looking rather than looking at it in any more basic terms like that.
In theory, it's just like anything else where you get in trouble with the IRS and they can take a lien on your house and all the rest.
It's a fascinating point, Sedge.
And thank you very much for making it.
Do you know?
This is the craziness.
This is what I just want to expand.
I'll do this in the next segment.
I want to say why this isn't just socialist healthcare.
This is something nuttier than socialist healthcare because it involves everything in a way that socialist healthcare systems don't.
And I'll return to that point in a minute because this is just insane.
Mark Stein in for Rush, 1-800-282-2882.
Mark Stein in for Rush.
I said I wanted some liberals who loved Obamacare to call in, 1-800-282-2882, because I love it.
I'd love to hear how swell you think the whole thing's going and all the rest of it.
And it's unfortunate that liberals don't like to call and batted back and forth with someone who disagrees with them.
And they do this thing with Rush where instead they just want to get Rush kicked off the air.
So they're running this campaign, whatever it's called, Stop Rush, to get the show canceled, to get it banned, to get radio stations to drop it, advertisers drop it.
Bam!
Bang it!
Stop Rush!
Because that's the great liberal debating platform.
Shut up, he explained in Ring Laudner's great line.
Shut up, he explained.
And so this guy who's part of this Stop Rush campaign is claiming now that I faked my HIV test by bribing the doctor $50 to just give me a clean bill of health of that.
That's not what I said.
I said that was some other guy, in fact, who worked for the Wall Street Journal and went to get his blood test started, Brooklyn.
And that's actually the doctor.
The doctor gets such little you're missing the point, you dimwit liberal.
If you could, if you'd call up, instead of being like such a little princess prissy pants and just trying to get people banned the whole time, if you're actually man enough to get on the phone and talk through this stuff, you wouldn't keep missing the point.
The point here is that doctors who conduct blood tests for immigrants are reimbursed so little that it's not worth them giving the test.
That it's easier, in other words, for them just to get the patient to pay them 50 bucks to fake the thing, to just fill in the form and sign off on the form.
That's the point.
That's what happened to this guy from the Wall Street Journal, not me, in Brooklyn.
And he went to Brooklyn.
I went to see some doctor for my blood test in Enosburg Falls, Vermont, which is as far as you can get in America without being in Canada.
That's how hard it is to find a doctor in northern New England who will administer the U.S. immigration blood tests.
Nobody wants to do it because the reimbursement rates are so low.
And that's the way it is with Medicare.
And that's why so many more doctors don't want to be part of these government programs.
But you are welcome to try and get me deported.
Good luck with that.
You know, you go, basically, INS or whatever it's called this week, Department of Homeland Security deportation works like the Obamacare website.
You can go and you can sit in their virtual waiting room.
It's an actual bricks and mortar waiting room, but it operates like the Obamacare virtual waiting room.
And you can sit there for three hours and say, Mark Stein is a fraud and should be deported from the country.
And they'll take your phone number and say, yeah, we'll get back to you in 10, 15 years.
You can't deport nobody or nothing from the United States in America.
So this guy, Nikolauk, who's claiming that I need to be deported for blood test fraud, good luck with that loser.
Why don't you try calling in?
1-800-282-2882.
I love talking, love talking to liberals on this show.
It's always my happiest time.
And by the way, speaking of that, because that's the next thing that's coming up, which is the U.S. Comprehensive Immigration Reform.
And I saw this over the weekend, a couple of days ago.
And it's fascinating to me because the most important point about any kind of issue is how you frame the issue.
And the immigration is always framed, illegal immigration, which isn't immigration, but illegal immigration is always framed in this sentimentalized way that actually prioritizes the people at the receiving end.
Oh, they're just hardworking, patriotic, hard-working Americans.
They're just people who are just like Americans in waiting as soon as we figure out a way to bring them out of the shadows.
There's nothing better than it's all about, it's all looked at from their perspective.
And it's interesting to me that in the United Kingdom, they've just started essentially David Cameron, who again is nobody idea of a right-wing, he's a complete unprincipled opportunist squish, in many ways a contemptible man and utterly repellent.
But it is fascinating that the way the illegal immigration issue is framed in that country.
He's got vans going around immigrant neighborhoods.
They're called go-home vans, and they're just basically these billboard vans.
If you know, they've got one billboard on one side and one billboard on the other.
And the billboards are a huge poster of handcuffs and the slogan, in the UK illegally, go home or face arrest.
And then there's one of these 1-800 numbers underneath that you can call, not to get an amnesty, not to get a path to citizenship, but just to get one-way travel documents that will assist you in getting the hell out of here.
Go home vans.
And his message to the undocumented is go home or face arrest.
That's your choice.
Go home or face arrest.
I don't know whether he means it, but it's interesting that that's how he feels the debate ought to be framed.
Whereas here, nobody, no one of these clever consultants to the 2016 candidates, your Ted Cruz, you Rand Paul, even they all go a bit mushy and a bit squishy when the talk turns to the fine upstanding members of the undocumented American community.
Nobody would ever talk about the issue in those terms.
And it's fascinating to me about how even conservative, in America, even conservatives hold the borders of the country so cheap.
The idea that somehow when you've got a population of lawbreakers living here illegally, making money in America and sending it out of the country, back to Mexico and everywhere else, that that should only ever be seen as a victims' rights issues, like at that bipartisan rally on the National Mall the other week.
It doesn't work that way anywhere else.
And trying to imagine anybody, not just Democrats, but Republicans, trying to imagine anybody here saying, you know, the message, the choice is go home or face arrest.
That's the vans that are driving around immigrant neighborhoods in the United Kingdom right now.
Mark Stein in for Rush, 1-800-282-2882.
From Broome, Western Australia, a woman has been charged after police caught her driving while a man lay on her car hood, dressed in a dinosaur onesie, wearing a snorkel and smoking a cigarette.
The pair are French nationals.
So I don't know whether that's a French thing or an Australian thing.
But this woman has been charged after her passenger was lying on the hood of the cars they were driving, dressed in a dinosaur onesie, wearing a snorkel and smoking a cigarette.
Knowing the anti-smoking thing, it was probably the lying on the hood smoking a cigarette, I should think.
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