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July 4, 2013 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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July 4, 2013, Thursday, Hour #2
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Welcome to today's edition of the Rush 24-7 podcast.
Well, an American citizen has survived Kathleen Sibelius.
The 10-year-old little girl is getting her lung transplant even as we speak.
A lung transplant operation taking place.
It'll last a couple, well, several hours.
And another American survives the Obama regime.
What a great day.
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So immigration in the news today.
Full disclosure, I received a phone call from Senator Rubio this morning about an hour ago, a little over an hour ago.
He had gotten wind, something I had said earlier this week in response to his interview with a Spanish language network outlet in which he said that legalization must happen first, and then border security second.
And I said it's a little disappointing.
I was under the impression that Senator Rubio was in or out based on borders.
Look, all this is academic anyway, folks.
The overriding thing to remember here is that this is not supposed to become law right now.
That's the that just is.
This is supposed to die in the House.
Don't forget it's a campaign issue.
This is supposed to get through the Senate, supposed to get over there, supposed to die in the House so that the Democrats have a campaign issue for the 2014 midterms.
There's nobody that's going to be able to talk me out of that belief.
I know we've got even we've got sound bites and baners saying, no, no, no, we can get this bill passed and he's saying that.
But I think the design here.
Well, you disagree with me.
I'm looking at the uh facial extelling you this?
The people of the National Institutes of Health telling you this that they're conservative Republicans worried this thing is gonna pass the House.
Well, if that if that happens, then something major has gone off track somewhere.
The original purpose.
I mean by the way, Snowden uh has surfaced.
I just saw his picture on TV.
Let me get this out of the way.
He surfaced.
Booz Allen has fired him, by the way.
And Booz Allen, we wasn't making 200 grand.
Where the hell are you going to get that?
We're paying him 120.
122,000.
They didn't say he wasn't making, they just put out a strange pay being paid 122.
Yeah, so anyway, Snowden says, look, I'm I'm in Hong Kong.
I'm not fleeing anybody.
I'm not trying to avoid the law.
I'm not trying to avoid being caught or whatever.
He he talked to a uh THICOM newspaper.
Anyway, we'll give it.
I don't want to get off off track here.
The original intent, I'm telling you, of the immigration bill was to die in the Senate.
Maybe in the House.
Now, maybe maybe the regime, the Obama regime has gotten the idea they can get this thing passed now, and it maybe they'll take it if it does.
I think they think they're going to get it anyway at some point.
So they're they're looking at it.
How is it most useful to us?
Anyway, I I I'll be surprised if it if it passes the House.
We'll see.
Anyway, Senator Rubio called and he was uh he wanted to remind me of something he'd said on this program.
That something he had said on this program dovetailed nicely with what he had said in the Spanish language interview.
So I went back and I got the transcript, and in fact, the last time he was here, I asked him, let's get to the bill.
The last time you were here, Senator, you were very certain you assured everybody that until the border was secure, there would not be legalization of a pathway to Citizenship.
Now, people have seen the bill say that what actually happens is that legalization does take place, and then there'll be a commission that has 10 years to figure out border security, which is true.
Which one of those is true?
And Senator Rubio said last time he was on the program, well, a couple of points.
First of all, the legalization doesn't begin automatically.
We don't want to wait on legalizing, and I'll tell you why.
My original position was that we wanted to secure the border first and then legalize.
The problem is, and we have millions of people here now, by some estimates, uh 10 to 11 million.
We want to know who they are and freeze the problem in place.
I don't want that number to grow.
It behooves us to know who they are as soon as possible so it doesn't get worse.
So he was he was reminding me that he had indicated on this program that legalization is something that he now thinks has to happen soon in order to identify those who are here so that that number can be stopped and set at whatever it is.
Can I be a little bit of a smart aleck here?
Of course I can, because it's my program.
We're in the midst here of learning that the NSA and a lot of high-tech companies and phone companies are providing the regime with virtually every phone call we make.
They have access to every email we send, every photo we send, and yet there are 11 million people in the shadows.
We're doing all of this sweeping.
We're doing all of this hoovering.
When it comes to 10 to 11 million illegals, we're told they're in the shadows, and we've got to legalize them to find out who they are.
Yet, on the other hand, the government knows everything about everybody, or can if they want to?
So which is it?
There are 11 million, 10 million, 20 million, whatever it is who are here that we can't find unless we grant them some pathway, unless we do legalization.
We can't identify.
What good is the spying program?
What good is all the surveillance?
Isn't one of the purposes of this to be able to find anybody and then determine what their motives might be?
Isn't this what we've learned in the past week or two?
From the NSA Prism to the NSA Verizon story to Snowden and what he's uh revealed.
Not one of us basically has any privacy.
Why did these 10 to 11 million somehow escape scrutiny?
I mean, are they not using the internet?
Are they not making phone calls?
How are we tagged?
Is it our phone numbers?
Like I don't make phone calls, so how do they how do they follow me on the phone?
They can't.
I'm not making phone calls.
But they're following me somehow, just like they're following everybody else.
What is it about the 10 to million, 10 to 11 million illegals that keeps them in the shadows?
Whatever they're doing, I want to find out how to do it myself.
I want to live in the shadows like they are.
I would like to be unreachable by my government.
I would like to do something, live somewhere...
Live in such a way that the regime can't find me, like they can't find the 10 to 11 million illegals without legalizing them first.
Those 10 to 11 million, they may not know it, but they have more privacy than anybody else in this country.
Because we're being told that we've got to legalize them first to find out who they are.
Only then will they come out of the shadows.
They can't be found, but you and I can be like that.
So tell me, ladies and gentlemen, any of you high-tech specialists out there, call in, tell me how do I retreat to the shadows and join the 10 to million, 10 to 11 million illegals in the shadows so that I too cannot be found.
I might even well, no, I'm not going to offer any incentives, but I know I tried, I I tried to go low price profiles of New Year's resolution and didn't work out.
I tried to be unnoticed and under the radar, not be in the news.
But that's not my point.
They can find us where the news or not.
That's what we've learned, folks.
Well, I don't mean to be redundant here, but isn't that what we've learned lately in the past couple of weeks?
They are collecting metadata, so they know every phone call.
They know emails, photographs, chats, Facebook, whatever you're doing out there can be tracked.
But somehow, the 10 to 11 million illegals escape notice.
Somehow we don't know who they are.
Somehow we don't know where they are.
We have to create a pathway to citizenship for them.
Well, I want what they've got.
I want the anonymity that they have.
How do I become an illegal?
That's the question.
The views expressed by the host on this program documented to be almost always right, 99.7% of the time.
Look, here's another aspect of this.
Illegal aliens are not citizens yet, by definition.
And therefore, I'm pretty sure that I'm right about this.
Since they are not citizens, there are no laws against the NSA tracking them.
They have no constitutional protection.
I mean now, not that it wouldn't be granted or afforded them, because as you know, this regime wants to grant constitutional protection to every citizen in the world.
But when you cut and dry it, illegals are not citizens, therefore the NSA can just do anything they want to find them.
And they do have credit cards.
And I think they have cell phones.
And not all of them are using burner phones.
Disposable throwaways, which are harder to track, obviously.
Prepaid phones, you buy at the local convenience store when you bop in there to pick up your six pack of PES or whatever.
And use the phone for whatever prepaid minutes and you throw it away.
Might be something for some of you people to consider.
I point it ought to be easy for the NSA to...
And whoever else wants to to track the illegals because there aren't really any laws stopping them.
Of course, the laws are not stopping them now from tracking any of the rest of it.
My my only point with this is that in the immigration bill, we're being told that the only way to find out who these people are, to get them out of the shadows, and we want to get them out of the shadows.
We don't want them lurking in the shadows in there.
We want to know who they are.
We want to find out how many they are in the finite number, and we want to stop it, want to button it down.
No more after them.
But we're gonna have to grant them legal status in order to find out who they are.
Only that will bring them out of the shadows.
And we can identify them, tag them, do whatever we're gonna do, and then secure the border.
Now, here is the theory on how this becomes law, including being passed in the House of Representatives.
And let me find the sound bite here that's relevant.
It's I'm looking for Bahner on this.
As high tech as I am that I am still using pieces of paper for this.
Well, I don't see it.
I thought we had a banner soundbite on this.
I've got to screws.
No boeer.
Maybe it was yesterday that we had a banner soundbite on Amnesty.
Anyway, the status of the bill in the Senate is this.
McConnell, Mitch McConnell, has said he's going to vote for cloture, despite that he has reservations about the bill.
In a statement on the Senate floor today...
McConnell signaled that he would vote for cloture for the immigration bill, but he suggested the bill needs to be amended.
Cornyn does that.
Cornen has a long amendment.
Very lengthy amendment to the bill.
But the bill goes before the full Senate and it passes, it gets its 60 votes, and then goes to the House, where it was supposed to die by design, so that the Democrats could run for the midterm elections in 2014, once again characterizing Republicans as cold, cruel, heartless, anti-Hispanic, anti-people of color, anti-female, anti-everything.
And it's just another example of how the Republicans hate everybody and hate everything, that they shut down amnesty, immigration reform for our Hispanic brothers and sisters.
That was the that was the plan.
Now a new theory has evolved that would explain how the law actually gets passed in the in the House and then signed by Obama, and we get amnesty before the 2014 elections.
Here's the theory, some might say the fear, that the House will pass, because the Republicans have the majority, their own version of Amnesty.
And it will be a conservative flavored bill that probably will not include blanket amnesty.
It will disagree fundamentally and substantively from what the Senate passes.
So then you have two bills.
Well, what happens then?
Well, the bills have to be compromised into one.
And then both, then that final bill is sent back to the House and Senate for the final vote.
And what that's called is conference.
So the House would have their conference committee, the Senate would have theirs, and they start negotiating on the two bills.
So you've got full-fledged amnesty coming out of the Senate, and you've got whatever the Republicans pass in the House, which probably wouldn't be.
The House leadership will appoint the conferees.
And so the theory goes that the House leadership would appoint people who would probably have no problem altering the House bill to agree with the Senate bill.
And that there are enough rhinos in the House to pass the conferenced compromise bill that would essentially be the Senate version of things.
This is I don't know, you could call it uh the fear that some people have in the House that this is what's gonna happen, because a leadership can appoint whoever the conferees are.
And so the original Republican passed bill in the House could end up not looking at all like what was passed.
The comprehes, once they get in there, can agree to anything.
But then it has to go back to both houses and be voted on again.
The one single bill, which the theory goes would, after conference would look like pretty much the Senate bill.
And a reason, so goes the fear or the theory that it would pass the House is that there are enough Republicans in there scared out of their pants, that if they vote against it, that they're gonna be portrayed as anti-Hispanic,
and that they're never gonna get any Hispanic votes, and they're gonna be a minority party forever, when in fact, if what I've just laid out happens, you can go to California and try to find a Republican Party.
They're there.
They're there, but you don't hear from them much, and you need a you need a the Hubble telescope to find them.
That's that's what this bill from the Democrat standpoint is designed to do is to destroy the Republican Party.
And even Senator McCain has has admitted that the Senate bill will not grant, will not get the Republicans one additional Hispanic vote.
But the Senator says that the advantage is it gets us in the game.
It makes us it gives us credibility with the Hispanic community, and therefore it enables us to compete for their votes with credibility because we will have shown that we don't hate them.
I don't know about you folks, but uh you go through your life trying to demonstrate to others that you don't dislike them, don't hate them.
I don't know how that admin it just doesn't, as opposed to a positive here's what we're for agenda.
I'll tell you the reason why I thought that I had a Boehner soundbite is because I did.
It was yesterday.
And he appeared on Good Morning America on uh was this Tuesday morning, and George Stephanopoulos said to him, what's the most important thing, Mr. Speaker, that you will get done in the House this year?
I think uh immigration reform uh is probably at the top of that list.
Signed into law?
Well, I think by the end of the year we could have a bill.
One that passes the House, passes the Senate, signed by the President.
No question.
And there's why, ladies and gentlemen, there is fear within the Republican ranks that the idea of amnesty passing the House is a possibility because the Speaker alluded to it quite openly on Tuesday in Good Morning America.
Let's go to Ted Cruz.
Senator Cruz, late yesterday afternoon to washing on the Senate floor, had this to say about immigration reform and its future.
There are not 218 votes in the House of Representatives to pass a pathway to citizenship.
My friends on the Democratic side of the aisle know that, but I think they've made a political judgment that they want to campaign on this issue rather than rolling up their sleeves and saying, how do we actually get a bill that can pass into law?
The votes are already pre-cooked that this bill is going to pass the U.S. Senate.
But absent major revisions, absent revisions along the lines of the amendments that I introduced in committee and tend to introduce on the floor again.
This bill will crash and burn in the House.
And it is designed to do so.
Okay, so what are we doing?
A little juggling going on here.
The Speaker of the House, you just heard him say from Tuesday, a good morning, America, that yeah, we'll get a bill by the end of the year that passes the House, passes the Senate, signed by the President.
Well, Obama's only signing uh amnesty.
He's not going to sign anything else.
You know it, and I know it.
So if Boehner says, yeah, we got a bill out of here by the end of the year that Obama's, that's amnesty.
Ted Cruz, there aren't 218 votes over there for this, and it isn't gonna happen.
It's not intended to happen.
It's a campaign issue.
This bill is designed to crash and burn in the House.
Designed to do so.
Well, maybe at first, but then if it does pass the Senate bills designed to crash and burn over there.
But if the House does their own version of a bill that can pass, and then they go to conference, then it could be that all bets are off.
Meanwhile, I, El Rushbo, am looking for a pathway to the shadows.
I mean, the illegals are looking for a pathway to citizenship.
I want a pathway to wherever they are.
Well, what do you mean current TV?
No, I my my point is if if they can't be how do we know, folks, that there are 10 to 11 million of them if we don't know where they are.
Are we using a statistical average of the numbers we think arrive here crossing the border illegally every year is adding it up since 1986?
Because I've seen a number all over the place.
I've seen it as high as twenty million.
I think I even saw it once potentially 30 million illegals.
but how do we how do we know that it's 11 million?
And I guess some would say, well, Rush, we actually don't.
That's why we need a pathway to citizenship to bring them out of the shadows.
But why not use the NSA to find them and find everybody else?
We found Snowden.
I mean they can find you.
They can find your credit card receipts and activity.
Why can't they find it's amazing that these 10 to 11 million people just cannot, no matter what we do, be found.
The only way that we can find out who they are, where they are, how they're living, is to tell them that they now are free and clear of U.S. law, and they have been granted a legal pathway to citizenship, and when that happens, there's to be an exodus from the shadows.
You go to the shadows and you'll see them come out of there.
That's the theory.
And then they come out, we start counting.
So we'll have to go to the shadows, we'll watch the shadows, and then of course this has to happen near sundown.
Well, not necessarily shadows happen all the time.
Where there are shadows, you have illegals that be coming out of there and you start counting them, and it's how we'll know.
Other than that, we're clueless.
We're helpless.
We don't have the slightest idea.
No, I'm I'm trying to make we're just being.
I don't want to say lied to.
We're just being played here, folks.
Our emotions are being played upon.
Sympathy is being played upon.
And there's a there's an effort to tap into what sounds like to people common sense.
Well, yeah, they're here illegally.
They don't want to be known.
They're hiding.
They're afraid of being deported.
And the only way we can get them out of that fear, and come up and identify themselves is to tell them that there's no longer any fear of being deported, no longer any fear of being separated from their families, so come on out.
On the other side of this, the NSA, Prism, Verizon, you name it, everything we're doing, if they want to, can be discovered.
Everywhere we go can be discovered.
Even with metadata.
If that's all they've got.
For example, they have you calling Domino's pizza 20 times a day.
They don't hear your conversation.
Well, what are you calling Domino's for?
Pizza.
And it's like my tech blogger, paranoid guy wrote, if you call a suicide hotline from the Golden Gate Bridge, you don't have to overhear the conversation and know that you might be thinking of killing yourself.
Or if you call some AIDS hotline, you don't need to know the contents of the call to know what you're calling about.
So metadata, they still can learn.
Now, there's a there's a big argument that has ensued over this that's kind of constitutionally fascinating.
And the people that are not bothered at all by what the NSA is doing.
This is common.
This is part of Intel, and you have nothing to fear.
All three branches signed off on this.
It's entirely lawful.
It's entirely conversation uh constitutional.
And guess what?
You don't own your phone calls.
They're not yours.
You don't own your phone number.
It isn't yours.
It's the phone companies.
The record of your phone call is not yours to give.
It's the phone companies.
You don't own it.
It isn't yours.
So you can't, you know, you run around thinking your calls here are private.
They're not yours.
So goes the theory.
The information belongs to the phone company.
It doesn't belong to you.
So you have no leg to stand on when you demand.
No.
No.
Content of the call belongs to the phone company and now the government.
You don't own it.
You don't own the phone company.
The content exists only because the phone company made their phone lines available for you to rent.
You don't own them?
I'm telling you how these people are looking at it now.
The information belongs to the phone company, not you.
You might say, well, your house doesn't belong to you until you've paid it off.
You might think you own it, but you don't until you've paid off the mortgage.
The bank does.
You don't— Yes, the phone company owns the audio.
You don't.
You are renting, you are leasing.
In fact, most people don't even own their phones.
They're subsidized by their contract with the cell provider.
Well, no, there's no no no.
If we're gonna play, no, that there is a law that if you are going to play on the air recorded phone calls, you have to get the permission of people on the call before you can play.
That's an FAA or FCC rule.
Now, let me go further with this business that the information doesn't belong to you.
The content of your phone calls, your texts, your video chats doesn't belong to you.
It belongs to the phone company.
And therefore, it's entirely up to the phone company whether or not they want to give it up to the government.
Now, let's add a new wrinkle.
In prism, and everything that we've learned about that that sweep where the involving Verizon where they every record, every call they are giving to the government for three months and it gets renewed, and it's probably all the other phone companies as well.
Yeah, you don't own the information.
The phone company does, but added wrinkle, the federal government has passed a statute giving immunity to the phone companies from civil suits based on privacy representations by phone companies to customers via private contracts.
the phone companies have immunity.
They struck a deal.
The government said, we want everything on your device.
Phone lines, everything in your system.
Okay, we want immunity from what's on there because it's just all these different customers of ours.
No, I know.
That's part of the Patriot.
The phone companies have immunity.
The phone companies have immunity.
The cell phone companies all have immunity by virtue of a statute that was passed.
It is part of the Patriot Act, and it's renewed, that gives them immunity from civil suits based on privacy violations.
So meaning you can't sue the phone company for violating your so-called privacy by giving the government details of your account.
But that's not all.
There's another wrinkle.
In addition to that, the federal government has made it virtually impossible for phone companies to protect this information from government access, as evidenced by the NSA project.
The government has access to all of this phone data.
Consequently, saying that the individual does not own or control the information, saying the information does not belong to the customer is all well and good, but it doesn't belong to the government either.
This is where...
This is what bothers me about.
Where we are, okay.
You can say if they to the to the people that want to talk about strict interpretations of law.
Okay, fine.
Right.
Phone company owns every detail of my account with them.
Fine.
I don't Own it because I don't own the carrier, I don't own the equipment.
Uh they enable the call because they own it and I'm paying them rent, blah, blah, blah.
But why is the government automatically entitled to it?
We we make this assumption that government can fix health care, government can fix global warming, government can fix problems with oil, government can fix government can't do diddly squat.
Okay, so you don't own your the contents of your phone calls, but then there's this automatic assumption that government does.
All they got to do is say we want it.
If you went to Verizon and said, I want every phone call you handle, I want to be able to see the data.
What are they going to tell you?
Fat chance, Joe.
Government calls them and says we want it.
Oh, oh, oh, okay, here it is.
In some cases, even without warrants.
It doesn't belong to the federal government either.
Yet the federal government has appropriated it from the phone companies and has immunized the phone companies from civil challenges under long-established contract law.
And you know how ubiquitous phone usage is.
I mean, it's it's incomprehensibly large.
And now people say there's no big deal because there's judicial oversight, because all three branches signed off on it.
I don't know.
I'm just not that reassured.
And I'm not a paranoic either, and I'm not a conspiracy conspiracy theorist, as you know.
I have to take a break here because of the clock.
Don't go away, folks.
Hi, welcome back, Rush Limbaugh and the excellence in broadcasting network.
Let me grab.
Now it's section 215, Snerdley is really blown away by it.
I'll tell you the interesting thing about this, folks, all of this, the sweep of metadata.
What I'm describing here is Section 215 of the Patriot Act.
That is where the phone company owns the records.
That's where the phone company's been immunized.
That's where the phone company grants the government whatever they want.
They have to go to the Pfizer Court.
The only oversight's the FISA court.
The Pfizer Court never turns the government down.
Never.
What administration?
We want this, Pfizer Court said, you got it.
Phone companies are immunized, they give it up.
The thing for you to know is that all this collection of metadata, such as the Verizon Hoover operation, not PRISM, but just every record of every phone call on every carrier's network.
The FISA requests for that data has gone up something like 1,000% under Obama over Bush.
It used to be limited by the requirement of a foreign component in the phone call.
That's out the window now.
So the president who's telling us that the war on terror is over and we basically kicked ass.
And we got nothing to worry about because everybody loves us now because Obama's a great lovable messiah, and there is no more warrant.
FISA requests for this kind of data are up 1,000% in the last four years under Obama.
Why?
All of this collection of metadata skyrocketed under Obama.
Why?
Well, I mean, you answer the question.
Why does he want it?
Why does he need it?
What are they doing with it?
All three branches have signed off on it.
This is where I fall back.
And maybe this is juvenilely naive and so forth, according to educated constitutionalists.
But when I say it matters, who's doing it?
It matters if the same people who are using the IRS to target citizens and to suppress their participation in the political process.
If the same people doing that Are collecting all of this data.
I'm sorry, my red flags of suspicion skyrocket.
And the fact that all three branches are signed off on it doesn't comfort me that much.
Because the FISA court's a branch here in a center for the judicial branch, and they rubber stamp every request that we know of.
It's secret, but we assume that they rubber stamp it.
UK Guardian has an interesting story that the uh the whole no, UK Telegraph has a story that the Guardian's story on Prism.
And Edward Snowden is unraveling because what we're learning about Snowden and how he has not really been truthful and honest about a whole lot here, which throws everything up for grabs.
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