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June 21, 2013 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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June 21, 2013, Friday, Hour #2
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Hey, folks, how are you?
Great to have you here.
Love being with you, the EIB network.
Helenbaugh Institute, Advanced Conservative Studies, and an added bonus.
It's Friday.
Yes, Sariba.
Live from the Southern Command in Sunny South Florida.
It's open line Friday.
Open line Friday as opposed to closed line Thursday.
Happy to have you here.
Meaning we go to the phones, and it doesn't have to be something I care about.
It can be anything you want to talk about.
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I just wanted to uh remind you that Senator McCain this afternoon, Fox News Channel happening now, John Scott talked to him.
Said uh Senator, you're confident that with uh with the Corker Hoven amendment that this thing is gonna have the support in the Senate to pass.
But what about the what about the House?
Senator, what are you thinking about its prospects over there?
This legislation already had enough votes like 60 or 61, but we need as many as possible.
We're gonna have to do a job of convincing a lot of people, and we're gonna have to enlist the help of the business community that we supposedly represent.
We Republicans, because the business community is solidly behind this legislation because they know how badly it's needed for America.
We're gonna have to enlist a lot of forces, including our evangelical community who's very supportive as well.
Then why are you gonna have to recruit them?
Why are you gonna have to enlist them if they already support it?
By the way, uh the help of the business community that we supposedly represent, we Republicans, because the business community's solidly behind this.
Yeah, we know.
Because the business community knows how badly it's needed for America.
Yeah, right, yeah, we know.
I want to cut to the chase on all of this.
Because frankly, all of this is a distraction.
If they had the 60 votes, they'd be voting right now.
This business of outreach.
They didn't they didn't wait when they found the 60 votes for Obamacare, did they?
When they had the 60 votes for Obamacare, they went in there if it was two o'clock in the morning, they were gonna go in there and pass the thing.
Let's let's cut to the chase.
Here's the fundamental point.
This is this is why.
It doesn't matter what Obama says, and it doesn't matter what Senator McCain says, and it doesn't matter what amendment is offered, it doesn't matter what Senator Rubio says.
The American people don't want this.
And they don't want it for intelligent, wise, substantive reasons.
The 1986 amnesty bill was called Simpson Mazzoli.
The 1986 law required Congress to secure the border, and it didn't.
In 1986, virtually everything being promised and assured now was promised and assured then, and it didn't happen.
That's why we're back here again doing this all over again because what they promised and what they assured us about securing the border and closing it down didn't happen.
There was a law in 2006, and we talked about this a bunch of points in time previously this week.
A 2006 law requires Congress to build 700 miles of fences.
They built 36 miles and they stopped.
There have been amendments offered to finish the job.
It's already the law.
It isn't being enforced.
So amendments have been offered in the past two weeks to finish the job of building the fence.
The amendments have failed.
American people are not stupid.
The American people can see that Republicans and Democrats, the American people can see that Washington does not want to shut down illegal immigration.
That's really the nub of this.
Senator Rubio's Senator, and I don't mean to pick on him at all.
McCain, Graham, Schumer, any of them can say anything.
They can offer any amendment.
Corker Hoven, whatever.
But it is patently obvious by virtue of their actions and their votes, forget their words, because those don't matter.
They don't want to stop illegal immigration.
And the purpose of this legislation is not to stop it.
Washington simply doesn't want to curtail the flow of illegal, undocumented Democrats crossing the border.
We've had Democrats and Republicans in charge of Congress, and it never mattered which party was in charge when this issue came up.
It never mattered.
Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats have secured the border.
The idea that now we have an amendment, the Hoven Corker Amendment.
Now we had another amendment.
We had a fence amendment or two.
We've had any number of other amendments.
Now we got the Hovind Corker Amendment.
That's going to do that, but it won't.
It will not secure the border prior to eliminating the flow of illegal aliens across the border.
It will not do that prior to eliminating the illegal reference to aliens who are here in violation of laws.
Just another way of doing the same thing.
I heard what Corker just said, and you did too.
They don't get their green card until all these new border agents are in place.
He didn't say they won't get their green card until the border agents are making sure that no illegals get in the country.
The Cornen Amendment voted down, tabled, would have required a 90% apprehension trigger.
We could not grant legal status.
We couldn't put them on the pathway.
We couldn't give them green cards until 90% of the flow of illegals were stopped.
That was defeated.
Washington does not want to stop illegal immigration.
That's what all of this boils down to.
And you know it, and I know it, and that's why there is no trust.
That is the umbrella under which all of this is happening.
A vast majority of the American people simply do not trust Washington to fix this problem.
A vast majority of the American people do not think Washington wants to fix the problem.
And in fact, it's not a matter of opinion, it's fact.
Washington does not want to stem the flow of illegal citizens.
If you don't like the word, they don't want to stem the flow of people coming here against the law.
We simply do not trust Congress.
We do not trust the president to do this.
They've lost our trust.
It's that simple, folks.
Even now, even now, when we say secure the border, and then we can discuss the rest.
They say no.
And they vote down amendments that would do exactly that.
They don't want to secure the border.
They're offering amendments and they're making statements to make us think They want to secure the border.
They offer amendments and they make statements to make us think that they hear us.
But every time something with teeth is actually proposed, offense, 90% trigger on apprehension, you name it.
It goes down in flames.
So we don't believe them.
One other point.
Just because one member of Congress or 60 members of the Senate say that this will secure the border.
We have a president, and we have courts, and all this is going to have to be enforced and upheld by them.
And we don't trust them either.
They are not enforcing the law.
They are not enforcing existing law.
They're not going to enforce new law.
That's what we think.
Because they are not enforcing the law now.
We do not trust them.
So members of Congress, members of the House can say and promise anything.
We have a president and we have courts who don't care what the law says.
Has President Obama shown any evidence of fidelity to existing immigration law?
And the answer is no.
The president could secure the border today.
We have law on the books today.
We have laws, plural on the books that would secure the border.
We have laws permitting certain behavior by border patrol agents and other technology to secure the border.
It could be done today.
They do not want to secure the border.
They don't want to stem the flow of people entering this country illegally.
But the Supreme Court, well, we can always count on them, Rush.
Well, the Supreme Court ruled that the president has discretion to ignore the law, and the states can't do anything about it.
Hello, Arizona.
Why should we support the legalization and the importation of 46 million foreigners when Congress will not even first secure the border, do it, and prove.
And then once again tells us just to trust them.
That border could be shut down today.
It could be, if not fully.
Border patrol, border security could be ratcheted up far more than it is today without any new law.
Just the enforcement of current law.
The CBO projects 46 million foreigners in the next 20 years.
The CBO says that even if this law is signed into law, the inflow of foreigners to the country illegally will be in the 75% of current level range.
It really isn't any more complicated than this.
Washington does not want to secure the border.
They won't even secure the border.
They won't support legislation that would really do that before the importation of 46.
Don't you think 46 million illegals is enough to satisfy whatever desire exists for them?
Isn't 46 million enough whatever big business wants them for, whatever the Democrats want them for, whatever the Republicans want them?
Isn't 46 million enough?
Couldn't we say?
Couldn't they say, okay, we'll secure the border, we'll do that, and then we'll deal with the 46.
Is 46 million not enough?
How many is enough?
These are the same people who just jammed Obamacare Down our throats.
These are the same people.
This is Washington, the same people who stole money from Social Security to pay for annual budgetary outlays.
These are the same people that blew almost a trillion dollars on a so-called stimulus bill that was really nothing more than union money laundering for the Democrat Party.
It's the same people.
It is the same promises.
It's the same professed rationale.
And it's the same manufactured crisis.
Thank you.
We don't trust them.
They don't want to secure the border.
1986 law was to ensure that we never ended up where we are.
They promised us 1986.
We do this, and this is the last time.
Doesn't happen.
The fence, 700 miles of fence, it's the law.
It must be built 36 miles has been built.
Two amendments offered to complete the fence, which is already the law, defeated.
And now this Hoven Corker bill, this amendment, which says, well, they don't get a green card until we got these new border agents in place.
And they don't get a green card till the new exit visa technology is in place.
In place doesn't mean anything.
How's it going to be used?
Is it going to be used?
There just isn't any evidence.
I don't, you know, the minutiae here in McKay.
Well, we've got the 60 votes, you got 61, we got big business, we got the evangelicals, but we need to enlist their help in spreading the word.
There's no word to spread.
Because there isn't any trust that undergirds the words.
It isn't any more complicated than this.
You realize if they want 46 million illegals, most people in this country would sign off on that if there were just serious efforts to shut down the border and make it really the last time this happened.
They don't want to secure the border.
And that's why none of the rest of it matters to anybody.
And that's why the details end up being ignored, and that's why the details end up being laughed at.
And it's why certain people are losing respect because they aren't trusted.
And it's a shame.
It's not that we're not smart enough to understand what's going on.
We know full well what's going on.
Republicans and Democrats both want open borders for their own political and financial reasons.
And in order to get what they want, they're going to have to somehow convince us that they mean to do something they have no intention of doing, and that is securing the border.
Open Line Friday continues after this, folks.
Sit tight.
We'll be right back.
Okay, to the phones, we return on Open Line Friday.
Eric and Queens, and great to have you, sir.
Hello.
Oh, good day, Bosh.
It's a great privilege to talk to you.
It's been a long time.
Talk to you maybe in the late 1980s, and uh I just want to say certainly is a gentleman of first class order.
Uh I'm uh American of Spaniard descent.
My uh grandparents came here in the 1920s through Ellis Island, uh, legally in a traditional manner.
I'm married to a Cuban American woman who is very anti-communist.
Um I'm familiar with that community.
We uh I would like to say most of the uh mature Cubans are very unhappy with Rubio right now.
I think he counting on the idea that he could play defense because a lot of the young Cubans are not as solid as Republican as they used to be.
And I think he made a big mistake.
I see him backtracking all over the place.
He was on yesterday or two days ago with Bill Bennett.
Uh I just he sounded very edgy.
I couldn't believe what he was saying.
He's Bill Bennett asked him about these these specific goals that you would need to accomplish to gain legal status, for instance, if you didn't learn English, and he said, would anybody Really be deported because he and he said, well, then you would become illegal.
But then I was thinking about that.
If you didn't meet these goals, there's no consequence to it.
No.
And as he said, No, once they're on the pathway, that's it.
There's no they can say they're gonna have to learn English.
There's nothing.
Who are we talking?
We're talking about the same people at Ramed Obama care now.
We're talking about people who sued the state of Arizona for it for attempting to enforce existing American law.
The same people that gave us the stimulus, the same people that couldn't create a job if they had to.
The same it it just nothing's changed.
And I there they can they can say there's all these requirements, but there aren't any.
If we're not going to deport anybody now, why are we going to after this?
I I don't see anything in this for our side.
I I I um I have friends, a lot of them are Venezuelans, refugees from Chavez, Hondurans, uh Costa Ricans, uh, people who came here earned their citizenship legitimately, they are so frustrated.
They feel that I feel, and they feel that their citizenship is being reduced to to just being trashed.
You might as well print it on toilet paper.
It's it's it's it's outrageous.
And uh I mean also I mean we keep apologizing.
We have legal immigration from Mexico, a very high amount.
I mean, we keep talking about this broken immigration.
You know, that is another thing.
That that is another excellent point.
We have nothing to apologize for to anybody about our immigration system or anything else.
But certainly not about our immigration system.
We have a legal immigration system.
We already have a pathway.
We already have a way for people to become citizens.
And the people who have followed that path, i.e., the law, they are a little peeved over what's happening here.
But the idea that we have to do this because we somehow need to apologize to make amends, that's another crap.
We're not guilty of anything here.
Our last caller from Queens really had a good point, and that is we don't have to apologize for an immigration system.
Our immigration system isn't broken, by the way.
It isn't broken.
Do you know the United States has probably the most generous legal immigration laws in the world every year.
We in the United States admit more legal immigrants than all other countries in the world combined by a wide margin.
Legal.
We're not talking about Europe has lost control.
We're not I mean, there may be a flood of illegals in very in France and in the UK, but I'm talking legal.
We do not have a system designed to keep people out in that sense.
We're not isolationists, and we've got nothing to apologize for in that sense.
To the Hispanic community or anybody else.
This this notion that we have to apologize.
I'll tell the root of that is that what we have to apologize for is taking California and and New Mexico and Arizona.
That's what that's all about.
We've got to just like we have to apologize with never-ending affirmative action for slavery, but we have nothing to apologize for right now.
We don't have a broken immigration system either.
Members of Congress keep running around and saying there were the impetus for this immigration reform is that we have a broken system.
We don't.
We have a we have a border that hasn't been enforced and secured.
That's what's broken.
What else is broken is the American people have no trust in the people in Washington to do what they say they're gonna do.
In this case, they're not even saying that they're going to do it.
There's no trust.
And then there's the argument that says people like you and me are opposed to reform.
We just don't want reform uh wrong.
The people who are against a truly secure border before legalization are the ones who don't want reform.
We have a broken system.
And it's only broken because the border isn't secure.
And the reform that's needed is to secure the border.
And people that don't want to do that are the ones who don't want to reform anything.
As usual, what's coming out of Washington is a hundred and eighty degrees wrong.
We are the reformers.
And the one true reform is fixing the border, and then deal with our legal immigration system, which is perfectly fine.
It could be improved, maybe.
Maybe we could let uh more people in from different parts of the country who are educated here and become specialists in something that don't end up staying here.
All those arguments can take place, but the idea that somehow we are keeping certain people out of this country is flat out absurd on its face.
The fact that we are not doing that's why we're where we are here.
So the effort to ladle you with guilt upon guilt upon guilt is how they do it.
I don't care if it's global warming, I don't care if it's added welfare benefits or an enhanced safety net, it's all guilt.
You have done things that you need to atone for.
You individual Americans.
Your attitudes, the way you think, you need to apologize.
You've been guilty of transgressions.
You're destroying the climate by driving the Rhine r wrong kind of car and uh air conditioning your home too much or whatever else you're doing.
You must make amends.
You must feel guilty.
You must reform what you're doing.
When in fact it's governments that are messing everything up.
Ella in um in News, Texas.
I'm glad you called.
It's open line Friday, and it's your turn.
Great to have you here.
Uh thank you, Raj.
It's Elia.
What Elya?
Yes, sir.
Elliot.
Oh, yeah, I'm sorry, I misread.
I had my glasses off, so it looked like Ella.
I'm sorry.
That's a quite that's quite all right.
Um yeah, uh, you know, I've been hearing a lot about the uh well, I've been listening to you for years and years, so I'm totally in agreement with everything you say.
And if I disagree, I'm usually wrong anyway.
So anyhow, um that's a mature audience, mate.
You realize that anyhow now you are very and and not only to know it, but to admit it, that's applauded.
Okay, Rush.
Uh well anyhow, I wanted to tell you that, you know, growing up, wait just a second.
Hold on just that you just you just admitted that when you're wrong, or when you think you're wrong, it's usually that I'm right.
That is so right.
I mean, my husband says you're wrong.
I just know not yet Rush is still right, and I'm still in agreement with him.
I tell you what I'm gonna do.
You you know because this is a huge admission.
I I want you to hold on after our call because I want to send you an iPad.
I want to send you an engraved rush signature EIB iPad.
Wow.
For recognizing that it's always going to be the caller who's wrong, no matter what the caller.
That's such a big admission.
You yeah, I mean, you know, you're so wonderful with words, and you just said what I really want to do.
Oh, I appreciate that.
So an iPad, big or little coming your way.
You you you pick after the call.
Don't hang up when we finish.
I won't.
Okay, now pick it up where you left off.
Okay, anyhow, you know, uh, I'm 66, growing up as a little girl way back then, you know, uh five uh five decades ago, uh I would hear, you know, the grown-ups and the old timers talk about being a Democrat and why we should be Democrats.
And it was because the Democrats were our friends and they're gonna take care of us, and they're always for the poor.
They're always for the minority, and and back then, you know, the all the Hispanics were in the minority class, and they felt that they were anyway, even maybe if they weren't.
And today, fifty years later, I still hear the same words echoing uh in the younger generations.
And I mean, I don't know how or who can penetrate that that uh mindset because they're still all of the same belief.
When I talked to my family, I was able to convert one of them to Republican.
And so anyhow, uh but they still and they agree with uh with the Republicans.
And it's like, well, why aren't you voting for Republicans, then?
You need Republicans in that in the White House, you know, locally and and in every level.
Well, because the Democrats, it's always that.
They always have that belief.
It's like they're scared to to go uh across uh the line because they might get their toes burned or something.
I don't know what the what their thoughts are.
It hasn't changed in fifty years.
The Democrats care more for the poor is that's long as uh Hispanics feel that way.
I mean it's it's a it's tough to penetrate that I know that this is th those are the cliches that have survived.
And I've been doing this program 25 years.
Rush how do you change that?
And well that's why I've always said conservatism is an intellectual pursuit.
Let me give you an example.
Okay.
As opposed to liberalism, which is feeling um you you walk down the street, you and uh say a Democrat friend of yours are walking down the street.
You see you see an obviously poor person.
And and your friend is a Democrat, oh my God, look at it poor we have to do something.
Oh my God.
Mm-hmm.
Oh that's just horrible we've got to do something.
And at that moment that person thinks they're wonderful.
Exactly.
They care and they've got a lot of compassion.
They haven't fixed anything.
No, they haven't and they're gonna vote for people who are going to make them continue to feel like they care and they're compassionate and so forth, like they're good people.
Now the conservative walking down the street you will see the poor person say how are we going to fix this?
And then you'll say we've got to somehow teach this person to self-provide to self-sustain.
We've got to re-educate we believe that that person has potential.
We believe that that person can be made productive we believe in the goodness and the decency of people but that's a thought that's a thought process.
It's a it's a it's a time tested theory but it takes effort and people rolling up their sleeves and getting to these people and speaking tough while optimistic to them where the liberal gets away with just pointing to them and say oh that's horrible and they are automatically assumed to have compassion.
They don't have one solution their proposed solutions do nothing but sustain that person in his poverty.
They don't but it's all about feelings and these people they they they feel that the Democrats care about the little guy because that's all the Democrats do is talk about caring for the little guy.
That's all they talk about.
Yes you're right.
And it's it's tough and we're going up against the Democrat Party and a media which are one and the same and there are caricatures of the Republicans and the Republicans do not have enough people who know how to articulate the real compassion of conserv of conservatism well listening to you I have really grown a lot and learned so much.
I knew that I was conservative I I I always knew that but I didn't know how to voice that I didn't know how other than voting I didn't know how to to voice that to someone else that we've all had someone in our lives all of us conservatives who have helped us to learn why we think what we learn so that we or what we know so that we can then explain it to people.
That's you know we conservatism is is a while I say it's a it's an applied conservative uh intellectual pursuit what I mean by that is in explaining it to others and articulating it implementing it.
Liberalism as I it's it's the most gutless choice you can you have to do anything just feel and tell people how bad you feel for other people and you're automatically a kind, big-hearted, compassionate person.
But you're not doing anything except making yourself feel good in the face of misery.
You're not solving the misery you're not even tackling it.
And then you make yourself feel really good by pointing to people you think don't care and criticizing them.
It's a uh you know fixing poverty is not going to be done with feelings fixing poverty is going to require specific policies and we've shown after thirty years of feeling bad about it and transferring money that we haven't fixed it.
We've shown that the Democrat Party way of fixing it doesn't work.
And that'd be I think the best thing you could do if you throw one of these people you can say you know what we've been for thirty years giving them welfare we have 35, 40 years been giving them welfare and they're still poor and they'll come back at you with I don't care I don't care I it it's just the Republicans don't care.
It's all about feelings with these people and that's those are those are tough things to um permeate.
Anyway I have to take a break here uh Elian I want you to hang on.
Because Mr. Snerdley is going to get our shipping information.
You just tell me, you tell him do you want an iPad or an iPad mini and what color you want.
And we will handle the rest.
And back we are Rush Lindball open line Friday.
You know there's another alternative on immigration.
Nothing.
The alternative to what is being planned, nothing is much better than the alternative.
Nothing.
Just stop and let's gather our thoughts and let's start again.
Think about this and come up with a real plan.
Oh, if they doesn't matter what we do, the Hispanic people are not going to like us.
That's a false premise.
I don't want to hear that premise.
The fundamental point is we have been promised law after law after security after security, and none of it happens.
The option of doing nothing as opposed to what the Democrats want, the option of doing nothing as opposed to what Washington wants is a good option.
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