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Dec. 17, 2012 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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December 17, 2012, Monday, Hour #3
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It is uh interesting here, uh ladies and gentlemen.
A number of reports stick with me on this now.
A number of reports say that Adam Lanza, the Connecticut shooter, only used two handguns, that the Bushmaster, the rifle, was found in the trunk of his car.
Now, there are conflicting reports about so I you know, as we said when the program began, nothing that was originally reported about this was true, other than the shooting taking place.
None of the details.
I mean, it's striking how for three hours, well, at least an hour and a half on this program and an hour and a half after it, everything I told you turned out to be wrong.
And we're just passing it on from the networks as we uh as we got it.
Now, according to Reason Magazine, the lapsed federal assault weapons ban would not have stopped Lanza because it wouldn't have made the Bushmaster illegal.
I've got a picture of the Bushmaster rifle.
It is a mean looking machine.
I mean, it's a serious, serious rifle.
It's a 223 caliber Bushmaster M4 carbine.
And it was, are you ready for this?
It was legal under Connecticut's assault weapons ban.
Connecticut has an assault weapons ban which was similar to the federal law that expired in 2004.
The uh the configuration of the rifle used by Adam Lanza, which his mother purchased legally and possessed legally in Connecticut wasn't covered by the definition.
And again, I want to put it, Connecticut already has an assault weapons ban.
The gun was purchased legally.
That's how we know an assault weapons ban would not have stopped Adam Lanza.
We also know it wouldn't have stopped him if it was illegal, because somebody he's gonna he's gonna be able to get some kind of a gun.
If he was given the circumstance with his mother being a prepper, you know, preparing for the last days of survivalist, uh, and and and all the rest, uh the guns were gonna be and even at that, people who intend to use guns to commit crimes are gonna find a way to get them.
That's the whole point.
Uh and the reason why gun control is flawed as a as a concept.
I want you to listen to Jay Carney.
You think you think this is not being because I've had some emails.
What do you mean, Mr. Limbaugh?
They're not politicizing the either people that care deeply and tragically about the children of Disney and you are I've had people really excoriate me in the email for accusing the left of seeking to politicize the event.
You really some of you leftists, you you want to maintain here that the Democrat Party has not sought to politicize this?
That's the first thing that came to their mind.
I'll t the first thing that came to their mind was the hope that they could link this to a conservative.
The second thing that came to their mind was how they could use it to advance their gun control agenda.
And everything else that they've said and experienced the emotions they felt came last.
Do not doubt me.
If people are going to commit murder, they will break gun laws.
Does that not follow?
If somebody's going to commit murder, if they've already made that decision, they're not going to be stopped by a gun law or an assault weapons ban or what have you.
Thus, the solution to this is not to be found.
In stricter laws.
Laws are not made.
This is another controversy.
You know, wait till I say this.
In the low information country we live in today.
Oh, I can't wait for this.
Laws are not made exclusively to alter behavior.
They are not made to stop, because there is no law that does.
We've had laws against robbing banks, laws against murder, laws against other kinds of crimes.
Crimes are still committed, aren't they?
Okay, so what's the purpose of the law then?
Well, partially, partially it is to establish a system of punishment, but is also society establishing its limits.
It's a society establishing its morality.
It's a society establishing as a matter of law what's right and what's wrong, and what's good and what's bad.
And just because a law doesn't deter activity doesn't mean the law is worthless.
Anyway, that's a discussion for another time.
I want your Jay Carney.
White House press secretary at the White House daily briefing today, the AP correspondent, a guy named Benfeller said, Jay, the president and a business round table said recently that a Republican.
The president said oh I don't know what the president said at the business round table recently that a Republican need to reach a conceptual breakthrough on rates going up.
The Republicans, I'm sure, need to reach a conceptual break.
Does the president feel that he has that now, a conceptual breakthrough since Speaker Boehner is willing to raise income?
So here we have a question about the fiscal cliff.
We have a question about whether or not the president feels better about Boehner caving agreeing to raise income tax rates on the rich.
That's the question.
Does the president feel like we can maybe make some ground here?
We can cover some ground, maybe get to an agreement.
Here's the answer.
The president's insistence that rates need to go up on the top two percent was based on an economic reality, which is that in order to achieve a broad deficit reduction package that puts our economy on a sustainable fiscal path in the future, a certain level of revenue gleaned from the wealthy has to be met.
The balance is important because uh a plan that does not have it puts unduly the burden on senior citizens or on middle class Americans or on parents with disabled children.
Parents with disabled children now get thrown into the mix.
I wonder why.
So now we have to raise taxes on the rich for a new reason so that there is not an undue tax burden on parents with disabled children, which would include mentally disabled, which is meant to mean Adam Lanzett type children.
So Jay Carney, the White House spokesman, has just sought to persuade the necessity of raising taxes on the rich so as not to further burden parents with disabled children.
You don't think they're politicizing this, huh?
That's pretty brazen.
That's uh pretty blatant.
By the way, all this is BS too, because the amount of money that would be raised with the tax increase on the rich would run the government for 11 days.
This is not about revenue, it's not about balancing the budget, it's not about balance, it's not about fairness, it's not about anything that they're saying it's about.
It's about getting even.
It is about fixing the unjust and immoral way this country was founded.
That's what this is all about.
We've had two hundred and thirty years of unfairness, unjustness.
We've had two hundred and thirty years of a stacked rigged game and deck.
And it's gonna take much more than four years to fix it.
And the first thing we've got to do is make sure the people who have benefited unfairly from this rigged game of 230 years ago, the rich, have it taken away from them.
Which is now the top two percent.
And so the press secretary has basically lied here.
Said in order to achieve broad deficit reduction that puts our economy on a sustainable fiscal path, got to have tax increase in the rich.
There's no way that raising taxes on the top 2% will put us on a sustainable fiscal path in the future, and there's no way a raising taxes on the rich will mean a penny to deficit reduction.
Not when the amount of money we're talking about funds the government at best for 11 days.
Now, Speaker Boehner just offered 450 billion dollars more with his millionaire tax.
That's half of what the tax on those over 200,000 would uh would bring in, 820 billion.
It's a killer difference.
So Boehner, Boehner's moving and you know what the White House saying?
Not good enough, not good enough.
You gotta because Boehner keeps insisting on spending cuts.
But the White House and the media and the Democrats are saying, you know what?
This argument's now over and we've won because the Republicans have now agreed to raise taxes on the rich, raise the rates, and there's no way they can take that back now.
That's the theory.
Boehner's offered it, so it's officially forever now part of the Republican offer.
But Boehner has to come up with more.
The White House is not satisfied.
So the White House thinks they've got a permanent concession on raising rates on the rich, even though they rejected this specific offer from Boehner.
So now Boehner has agreed in principle on every point Obama is demanding.
And it has still been rejected.
What does that tell you, ladies and every fundamental point Boehner has agreed to in principle, and it is uh he's he's agreed on ending tax deductions for the rich, raising the rates on the rich, and raising the debt limit.
He has agreed in principle on every point, and it's been rejected.
What's it tell you?
What's well what's it tell you, Mr. Snerdley?
Well, we've been screwed ever since the election.
It means Obama wants to go over the cliff.
It means Obama doesn't want a deal.
Means Obama does not want to avert the cliff unless he can get capitulations he never dreamed of.
But I think going over to Cliff, like I've been saying, it's just I mean, that's that's that's nirvana.
That's utopia.
Go over the cliff and everybody's taxes go up, and the Republicans get the blame.
Then Obama gets to come along within a couple of weeks and propose lowering taxes on middle class, thus stealing the tax cut issue from the Republicans after having made the Republicans essentially admit that tax cuts caused the problem on the rich, tax cuts of the rich caused all of these problems.
Boehner's essentially Conceded that.
But here comes Obama as the savior for 98% of the people where the Republicans wouldn't agree.
That's the benefit to go and there's a little cherry on top of this.
You go over the cliff, and there are also some pretty steep defense budget cuts.
Guess who will put those back?
Obama.
He'll propose cutting taxes on the middle class and increasing spending on defense.
And thereby take everything the Republican Party is known for away from it and co-opt it as his idea and the Democrat Party's idea.
That's the that's the value and go go over the cliff.
But as you heard Carney say, if we don't raise these rates on the rich, if Bahner doesn't concede even more, then that means there's going to be a tax burden on middle class families with disabled children.
I mean, this is shameless.
This is just over the top shame.
Gotta take a break.
We'll be right back, however.
Let me spell it out for you.
What Jay Carney said.
If we don't raise taxes on the rich.
A lot.
If we don't really raise rates on the rich, then we're gonna have more and more Adam Lanses.
Because we're gonna have we're gonna be putting a tax burden on middle class families with disabled children.
Now, in this data to this day, at this point, December 17th, disabled children means Adam Lance.
It means Newtown, Connecticut.
Here's uh here's Bob, Ann Arbor, Michigan.
Bob, welcome.
I'm glad you waited.
Hi.
Hey, greetings, Rush.
Rosh, you know, we associate killing with hate all the time.
But what if these killings were motivated by love?
In other words, mercy killings.
The media has pounded us for months and increasingly so in the last several weeks, with this apocalyptic scenario of the world ending by the Mayan calendar, complete with pictures of the world cr completely crumbing apart, volcanoes.
I mean, it's it's graphically terrible.
What if this guy was suffering from paranoia, and even if his mom was a prepper, this is a scenario that you could not survive.
Um, so the you you the conclusion of what you're saying is that this guy was trying to kill people to spare them the end of the world.
Exactly.
And the media was the as far as I'm concerned, the the one that is exploiting this.
I mean, you can't turn on the TV or the radio without hearing some kind of program on this coming the 21st.
Well, I don't know about that.
Uh I have a TV on a lot.
Well, actually, I don't watch a lot of news.
You may be right.
I I I don't see a lot about the Mayan stuff myself, but then again, if I ever did, I'd just tune it out.
See, I have.
And you know, it's just random listening and random looking, um, just on general stations and not so much on you know cable.
What kind of people talking about this?
You haven't heard it on this program.
No.
No, but I I've heard it on other news broadband.
I mean, the greatest Mayan temple I know is over Atlantis.
It's a great water slide uh out there, and kit k kids are on it all the time.
Well, according to the Mayans, the calendar ends on this Friday and the world is supposed to end.
This Friday.
Well, the 21st, exactly.
Everywhere?
Everywhere.
The planet.
The planet is history.
So if if I take off Friday and and I'm in the air, would I be saved to just have nowhere to land?
Well, that'd be the only problem.
You wouldn't have a place to land.
Yeah.
And unless the lightning bolts would come down and hit you, uh, you know, at that point, I can't give you any guarantees.
I'll I'll tell you something.
I uh I just, you know, I did I I did wonder if fear of of economic collapse might have played a role in this.
Not and maybe with the kid, but his mother clearly is a prepper.
His mother was hoarding things.
Ammo food.
His mother believed in his last days.
Uh I don't know specifically the Mayan thing this Friday, but she clearly believed that we didn't have a whole lot of time left.
And so she was she was and she was a survivalist.
I think she's she thought she could survive it.
She's hoarding things that she thought would be necessary, and she was teaching the kids how to use the guns.
She took them took this kid with her to target practice from again.
I don't know if that's true.
That's I'm sorry, folks.
I'm repeating things that could very well just be not true.
It's in the media.
I don't know.
I have to catch myself, because ever well, that's right.
That was the British press, so it's it may have some factual basis.
But oh well, let's play it out.
Let's if if if if Adam Lanz's mother was stockpiling weapons because she was convinced the economy was going to collapse, and if her son, mentally disabled and fearing a tax increase.
Well, I just I'm just bouncing off what the White House press secretary said.
Adam Lanza is listening to his mother and is convinced the economy is gonna collapse and the burden on his family is gonna go up tax-wise because of um the Republicans.
You know what the biggest killer of innocent people ever devised in the world is the biggest killer of innocent people ever devised, poverty, which can be brought about by communism, socialism, poverty.
Now, do we have people among us advocating policies which perpetuate and create even more pop uh poverty?
We do, don't we?
Yes, we do.
Poverty is a lethal weapon, and we've got um we got policies in place to expand it right now.
Hey, this uh this I don't know, folks, tipping point, not sure, but this could be backfiring um on some people.
There's an story from CBS, and this again, if we can believe it, and I say this only because again, I'm a little gun shy.
I evad choice of words, a pure faux pas, but I'm telling you, everything we had Friday afternoon was wrong.
I mean, we told you that the kid's mother taught kindergarten and she was in the classroom and he went in there to kill her.
That wasn't true.
We were told that his older brother was the shooter.
We were told there was a second person involved or wasn't.
Uh we were told the father was shot, he wasn't.
I mean i i none of it.
None of what we had, other than the event itself and the numbers involved turned out to be true.
When the first three hours of this.
So this story out of CBS in in Pennsylvania, do with it what you will, a gun show in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania drew a larger crowd than usual yesterday.
Now listen to how CBS reports this.
The headline, Connecticut School shooting doesn't deter crowd at gun show in Montgomery County.
A gun show in Montgomery County drew a huge crowd on Sunday despite calls for stricter gun control after a shooting rampage in Newtown, Connecticut.
If gun control advocates were hoping the scale of death would dampen enthusiasm for the purchase of guns, the line of people waiting to get into the Greater Philadelphia Expo Center was evidence to the contrary.
It's more crowded than it has been in the past.
So here's the media in Philadelphia, CBS beside itself.
What do you mean more people than ever show up?
Look all the hard work we've done to dissuade people.
They're hoping people turn in their guns, and instead more people than usual showing up to buy some.
Kathleen Georgia and Lisa, great to have you on the EIB network.
Hello.
Hi, Rush, how you doing?
Good, thank you.
Good.
I was wondering what I don't understand about all this with the shooting is why is it so easy for people to believe that some people are pure good, but they can't believe that some people are just evil, hardwired that way.
I mean, they accept that Mother Teresa is good and caring, but they can't accept a kid like this Lands a Kid is hardwired different, hardwired evil to where a video game doesn't influence him, a movie doesn't influence him.
You know, it's just the way he is.
He has no empathy, no respect for life, you know, other people.
So he can go in and shoot babies and n you know, it's not wrong to him.
That's just the way they are.
But y it doesn't make any sense to me.
Well you ask a good question.
How come people can't accept that?
What you have a theory?
Uh I really I don't understand it.
That's why I'm like, do you have an opinion?
I mean, and how long can you raise these kids to be, you know, you're you're good, nobody's better than you, everybody's equal, you know, d this is wrong, that is wrong, this is good, that's no you've swerved into something here, the self-esteem movement.
Oh yeah.
And it's like these kids today are still.
You got some rotten to the core kid.
Johnny, you're so wonderful.
You are rotten, but it's because they made you that way.
Right, right.
Johnny, you're especial.
Johnny, you're just the best while Johnny's killing ants and spiders and stuff.
Right.
And you can't raise your if your children do something wrong and you discipline them, then you're wrong.
You can't do that anymore.
You know, it's uh you done something in raising your children to make them that way, so it's your fault, you know, not that your kid wants to go out and say you know Well, it's not just that, it's that you have no right to discipline your kid because you're not perfect, so who are you to tell the kid what's right or wrong?
That's right.
That's right.
And the schools know better than you then for your own children.
But that still doesn't answer the question.
It's a great question.
Why don't people I mean, you'll easily accept right, Mother Teresa, essence of good.
Right.
Why can't we accept that some people epitomize evil?
They they won't accept that.
They have to look for something else.
They'll look that first thing is is he a right wing extremist?
Is he a member of the Tea Party, you know, uh or okay, if it's not that then it's the video games, it's the movies, it's the way you raise it.
No, but see no that you again you've swerved into it.
They do accept that certain people are evil.
If they're on our side?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The Tea Party is evil, they're like Nazis.
Um George Bush was Hitler.
They do believe that certain people are evil.
And it is those people they blame for all of the troubles in society.
But they don't believe that they're evil in a way that they feel that people like Mother Teresa are good.
You see what I'm saying?
It if they're evil because you we have made them evil.
Halliburton's evil.
Jor uh Dick Cheney I and intellectually I still don't understand Dick Cheney to the left is Darth Vader.
Oh yes.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, he embodies evil.
He he is he is the evil emperor, he's Darth Vader, uh combined into one.
Yep.
Yes.
And and was that because of his parents?
No.
People are just some people are different.
Some people are hardwired different.
Well, you know, No, but wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wa wa, well, the people we're talking about are not evil.
Cheney's not evil.
Halliburton's not evil and George Bush isn't Satan.
So they're wrong about that.
But st I still like your question.
Because it's never you'll never convince them of that though.
Th they will take a person that is evil, uh person like this kid that shot these babies, and he's not No, he's not evil to them.
That's what I'm saying, but to me he is.
To me, he i he wa he's evil.
To me there is a victim of something first.
To them he's a victim of something.
Yes.
Society uh a victim of our gun culture, a victim of the NRA, uh a a victim of uh of uh Grover Narquist.
Yes.
But down here in the South, you don't hear a lot about this kind of stuff because they raise their kids here.
By the way, Christopher Hitchens thought Mother Teresa was evil.
There are leftists who thought she was plenty evil because they think she was a fraud.
A, she believed in God.
Right.
That makes you evil in some circles.
Right.
That's your number one.
But the people you're talking about.
You're you want to why do liberals look at certain things that are clearly criminal or evil and not see it.
I don't I don't understand it.
Because they think they have the recipe to fix.
Oh, of course.
They think they're what is it so far?
You l everything on TV so far.
They're desperately seeking something to tie this kid to so they can blame something.
Exactly.
Blame the NRA blame.
Right.
So as to advance a political agenda.
And of course their political agenda is government control and more of it, and they think that's the solution to this.
If they were just in total control of freedom and people and so forth, they could prevent this because they could then mandatory make their policies apply to everybody.
And this kid would have been found out earlier, we would have gotten to him, he'd have been changed, he'd have been perfected.
Uh and and uh Yeah, that it's the thought process.
That's a great question.
Great qu look, I have to run, Lisa, but I'm glad you called.
We will be back much more straight ahead when we get back, so sit tight.
I got a I got an email note.
I'm gonna share this with you.
Based on the the last call that we had.
Dear Rush, I have not watched a second of news on the school shooting over the weekend, mainly because seeing the reporting makes me cry and unable to do much else.
But I'm tuned in enough to know that once again, the American leftist culture is forcing us to collectively look at the wrong reasons for the problem, and as such, we will never be able to come to grips with it, much less find a solution.
What do all of the public shootings in the last years have in common?
They were all done by young white males who are from upper middle class families.
The problem is not guns.
That's the easy shiny thing at the liberals flash in front of us so that we don't look at their failed political agenda.
The problem in America today is how we have treated white boys for the last decades.
And it all has at its root the unrelenting liberal political agenda.
Boys have been pushed out of two of the most important activities, school and sports.
In an all-out effort to convince girls they can do anything a boy can.
Schools have ignored the natural needs and learning traits of boys and forced them to learn like girls.
Fewer boys are going to college, in part because they're being pushed out by a feminist agenda in education.
We have rushed to dilute the energetic, aggressive aspects of the male species by drugging them as children and chickafying them at every turn.
We have allowed our young boys to play violent murdering video games.
These types of games are the same ones the military uses to train soldiers.
But they are being played by very, very young kids in dark rooms all over the country.
You want to ban something, ban those.
We have overlooked the devastating effects on all children of not having a father in the house.
And we have ignored and not helped boys with their mental illness.
We've hyperventilated endlessly over girls and their eating disorders, um, image issues, self-esteem sex, blah, blah, blah.
But we have most totally ignored the mental challenges that boys face.
Interesting, don't you think?
It's an email from a female listener to the EIB Network.
Jay Carney, the White House spokeskid, has said that President Obama stands by his tax rate increase for the top 2% status.
Starting at 250,000 and above.
Boehner offered all of that to one million dollars and above.
Obama will not take yes for an answer.
He's insisting on the rates going up, the top 2%, over $250,000 a year.
We'll be back in 21 hours, my friends, tomorrow.
Thanks for being with us.
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