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Dec. 4, 2012 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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December 4, 2012, Tuesday, Hour #2
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Hi, folks.
Welcome back.
It's great to have you here.
El Rushbo and the Excellence in Broadcasting Network, Limbo Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies.
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Massive protests outside Morsi's house in Cairo, the home of the new president, a new dictator of Egypt.
Massive protests.
And I'm sorry.
I know, folks, I should not feel this way, but I have a little Schadenfreude.
I just do.
I said, okay, look at you got what you voted for.
You got what you said you wanted.
You didn't like Mubarak.
Fine.
He's gone.
And you thought you were getting something else.
The fact that you didn't know what you were voting on has led to this situation that you're in in Egypt.
It's going to happen here.
I don't think massive protests.
I don't know.
But there are going to be a lot of people.
I don't know how long it's going to take, but there will be people.
And I say, this is not what we thought we were.
We thought this would happen in the first four years, but it's going to happen in the next four.
People are going to wake up.
This is not what I voted for.
It's going to be too late.
This 3.8% investment tax, this surtax on capital gains, that is why so many companies are being sold right now before this tax kicks in.
This is why people who receive dividend income are asking for it to be paid this year before this stuff kicks in.
People that have the ability to move income to this year are taking it.
That's why you're seeing people sell stock.
All these executives selling stock in their own companies to the tune of 20 million here, 35 million there, 8 million over there.
I've seen all of those.
It's to take the money now before the new tax rates kick in.
Now, the example I gave on your house, I made one mistake, but not in the amount that you owe.
I give you an example.
You sell your house for $400,000.
$200,000 of that is subject to the new 3.8% surtax on capital gains.
So whatever your capital gain is, you're going to have a 3.8% surtax added to the 20% that it's going to become.
So you're looking at basically 24% capital gains rate.
So if you sell your house and if your house is appreciated and you're moving into a bigger house, the government's going to tax you 9% more than you're paying now on whatever the gain is in the house that you sell.
And this is just one rule of the two rules that are going into effect on January 1 for health care, the Obamacare taxes, the investment taxes.
Oh, and then the Obamacare tax is basically a 1% addition to the income tax rate.
Paul Ryan was on the radio in Wisconsin today and he said, we are nowhere close.
In fact, Paul Ryan said we are farther away today on a deal with Obama than we were when this whole thing started.
And a lot of people are now realizing what you and I have known for four years.
Obama's economic policies are not about the economy.
In this case, case of the fiscal cliff, I could make the case all day that Obama and the Democrats want to go over it.
Now, they wouldn't go over it if they get a deal.
If somebody came along and offered Obama $1.6 trillion in new taxes with no spending cuts, he'd take it.
But maybe even then he wouldn't.
Because then he gets, if I could get $1.6, maybe I could get $2 trillion if these guys are willing to deal.
So who knows?
But going over the fiscal cliff is exactly what Obama wants.
And it's all made possible by the fact that the media is Obama.
We go over the fiscal cliff.
That means that every deal reached as part of the debt limit increase goes into defense cuts of a trillion dollars.
Is it a trillion-dollar defense cuts of, well, it's serious.
It's big.
And new taxes.
The Bush tax rates expire, additional taxes on top.
And by the way, middle-class taxes will go up.
And I guarantee you that everybody in the middle class that's paying attention halfway thinks that their taxes aren't going up, no matter what happens, because they've heard politicians of both parties swear off of that.
No way.
So they're out there believing that their taxes aren't going up.
If we go over the cliff, everybody's taxes are going up, including the middle class.
The first paycheck everybody gets in January will feature massive income tax increases.
The pay, the take-home pay is going to be smaller, and people are going to be shocked.
And then a made-to-order circumstance for Obama, he gets to blame Republicans for it because they refused to make a deal with him.
He was doing everything he could to keep middle-class taxes down.
But the Republicans, and here's the story: the Republicans just wouldn't agree to raising taxes on the rich.
The 1%, now it's the 2%, by the way, just wouldn't agree to raising taxes.
Those Republicans only care about the rich, and they held out.
So you people in the middle class, your taxes are going up because the Republicans want to protect the rich.
The Republicans are going to be running around going, it won't matter.
And as the Republicans are running around, Obama's going to say, they don't care about you.
All they care about is the rich and the Wall Street tycoons.
They did everything they could to keep those people, but I, President Obama, I'm come along, and he's then going to propose a middle-class tax cut to protect people from what the Republicans.
This is made the order for him going over the cliff because what he gets to do is what he really wants to do.
This guy wants to wipe out the Republican Party.
Barack Obama, A, dislikes everything about the Republican Party and everything about conservatism.
He blames it.
He thinks people like you and me are the reason this country is the way it is, and he doesn't like it the way it is, and he never has.
So in addition to getting all of the economics policies he wants that will totally transform this country and turn it into a redistributionist, socialist, Marxist country, he gets to destroy the Republican Party, he thinks, in the process.
That's his objective.
And I'm glad now to see, and I wish this kind of talk would have been heard during the campaign.
Dr. Krauthammer and others are now, even David Rodham Gergen, CNN, has pointed out what Obama wants to do is destroy the Republican Party.
Well, we've known this for four years.
And by the way, that isn't anything new.
The Democrat Party has wanted to destroy the Republican, not just beat us.
They've wanted to destroy us for a long time.
We don't have that view about them.
We're comfortable beating them, but nobody's running around trying to conceive of ways to annihilate them, to wipe them out.
But they are with us.
Don't care what you think of it.
I don't care if you think that's not what politics is.
It most certainly is.
If Obama could turn this into a one-party country, you don't think he would.
FDR tried.
And I think FDR is one of his role models.
So going over the cliff is entirely amenable to him.
But Rush, but Rush, what about all the economic pain to people?
Where's the evidence he cares about any of that now, folks?
People's home values have been plummeting.
Unemployment's been skyrocketing.
Income has been falling.
For four years, where is the evidence he cares about any of that?
In a traditional political way, he doesn't.
Why all of a sudden is he going to start caring now?
It's going to only get worse.
And the math is the math.
You keep going like this.
There's no amount of economic growth that can overcome what he's planning because the math is the math.
And the more money he takes out of the private sector, the less there is of it for people in the private sector to earn.
And the less money that there is in the private sector, there's a corresponding decline in the chance to create wealth because it's all being transferred to the government for ostensible redistribution.
And by the way, anybody who thinks that Obama has a debt reduction policy has another thing coming.
By the time he leaves office in four more years, we're going to have a national debt in excess of $20 trillion.
There will not be any deficit reduction.
There will not be any smaller budgets.
There won't be any dents made in the national debt.
There aren't even any plans for it.
Just a bunch of words.
Now, the sequestration, which is part of the debt limit bill, this is what the fiscal cliff is all about, would lop $500 billion out of defense over the next 10 years.
$50 billion in 2013.
It's almost over 10 years.
According to the Washington Times, it is a trillion dollars because there was a $490 billion cut in 2011.
So over 10 years, you're looking at a trillion dollars cut out of defense.
And that's the only, but it's not, even those cuts in defense are not going to result in a smaller federal budget.
That money is going to be used for other stuff.
Santa Claus, making whole some unfunded pensions for union people, things like that.
Obama's preferred citizens.
And in the process, he gets to, in his mind, decimate the Republican Party.
And Obama's modus operandi has been if he can take, you know, all the people talk about leveling the playing field.
Obama doesn't want anybody in the opposition to even be on the field, whether it's a level field or not.
His modus operandi is to eliminate opposition, not just defeat it.
Once you eliminate it, you don't have to worry about defeating it.
It's not there in the first place.
Okay, we're back and we go to the phones.
We are going to start with Jason in Dallas.
Great to have you, sir, on the EIB network.
Thanks, Rush.
Hello.
How are you today?
Very good, sir.
Thanks.
It's great to have you here.
Great.
I've been listening to you for most of my adult life, and I wanted to take you back to one of what I think was one of your best see I told you so moments.
Cool.
That was one of the during the 2000 GOP Republican primary for the presidency, George W. Bush was being touted by, we didn't call it that back then, but essentially the Republican establishment.
And the argument they used was that he was the most electable.
And I remember listening to your show and hearing you take call after call, you just took a pounding because you were saying that what we needed to do was elect the most conservative nominee possible.
Because if we didn't, and we elected a moderate or someone who is trying to appease or get along with Democrats, as we saw George W. Bush do, that then that brand of Republicanism would be branded as conservatism to the populace at large.
And the middle to underinformed voters would assume that that's what conservatism was and would end up electing a far-left radical liberal administration.
And exactly what you said 12 years ago has come to pass.
Yes.
In fact, it's true.
And it's really maddening that squishy, moderate political behavior is now called conservatism.
And then real conservatism, as a result, is now called extremist looney tunes.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And I think you had Mark Stein was on for you last week, a couple of days, and he had a great way of describing where we are today.
And that's we have essentially a European party, which is the Democrat Party, and then we have an American party, which is the Republicans.
But they're so much a shadow and hollowed out version of the original vision that essentially their argument now is we can run the state and the statist government slightly more efficiently than they can.
As much assistance as they can put between them.
Right.
The whole argument against statism is gone.
It's just now a matter of who's more competent.
We can do it better than you can.
We can do it smarter than you can.
We can do it more efficiently than you can, which is not conservatism.
It's not conservatism.
It's completely away from the easy-to-understand arguments that Ronald Reagan made over and over and over and over that resonated with people because that's the American soul.
That's our identity.
I'm responsible for my dreams or for my results.
No, you're not.
Not anymore.
A, it's not right that you have any such dreams.
And B, the government is the source of prosperity.
That's what a lot of people think.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
But I just want to, I've been trying to call you for four years now.
I finally got in today, and I just wanted to take you back, and it's totally a C I Told You So.
I appreciate that.
Jason, you're right on the money because one of the offshoots of that is that mainstream conservatism, the Republican Party equals conservatism in people's minds.
So when the Republican Party waters it down and it's just a bunch of quivering jello moderation that is called conservatism, that's not attracted to anybody.
And then over further, you have real conservatives are still holding out.
They then are called extremist nutcase wackos.
And it has contributed to the branding or marketing problem that exists.
But you think it back to 2000.
I'll tell you, folks, in case you've forgotten, one of the reasons that George W. Bush was lapping the field, he came out of nowhere.
If you recall, George W. was the governor of Texas, but back then, everybody thought that the next Bush to be president would be Jeb.
Jeb was the governor of Florida.
He was considered to be very conservative and so forth.
And then George W. comes out of nowhere.
And the way he did it was fundraising.
Bush was raising money like nobody, and there was shock and surprise, people scratching their heads.
How's this happening?
This guy's not even on our radar.
But he and Rove had come up with a massive fundraising operation, started when he was a Texas governor, and it left everybody in the dust.
And by the time we got around to the primaries, Bush was a fait accompli.
And by the way, he was campaigning as a conservative in the early stages of the Republican primary.
It wasn't until later that he started throwing in this compassionate conservatism line.
And I think he was out west somewhere when he said, we don't want to balance the budgets on the backs of the poor.
And this is what our first caller is referring to, start watering it down.
There was a lot of outrage over that.
But by that time, Bush had secured things.
But it was the money that he was raising.
Much like Romney, by the way, it was the money.
You can't compete.
If you don't have it, there's nothing you can do.
Very little.
You have to be an amazing intellect and personality, tremendous charisma, because you don't have the media on your side.
So you have to have some ability to power through all of the noise and shine.
And if you can't do that, you're not going to overcome a financial disadvantage.
And believe me, Bush had a financial advantage that shocked everybody.
I'll never forget it.
Because back then it was Jeb.
Really, Jeb was thought to be the heir apparent.
Here's Albert San Francisco.
I'm glad you waited, sir.
Great to have you on the EIB network.
Hi.
Hi, Rush.
I had a question.
In today's Washington Examiner, Brian Win York writes an article about how the Republicans are going to cave.
It's just a matter of when.
So my question to you is, why are these Republicans playing the song and dance when I think, well, I think, and I think from Brian York's article, that they are going to cave.
So why are they just, why don't they just cave now?
That's my question.
That would hurt fundraising.
Why do you think?
Why do you think they're going to cave, if you believe what Byron wrote, why do you think they're going through the motions?
Exactly what you just said for fundraising and not to look weak.
But, you know, they're eventually going to cave, though.
Well, wait a minute now.
Who won the election?
Obama won the election.
Yeah, and Morsey.
Obama and Morsey won the election.
Right.
And that's the other thing, Rush, is that every time I see a Republican on TV, they say the same thing.
Obama won.
So that's, they've already lost already.
Every time I see McCain on TV, Obama won, or a Republican on TV, Obama won.
Just like, don't you guys have any fight in here?
Yeah, but the Republicans won the House.
Right.
But from what they're saying, it's like they've already given up.
I guess I don't understand why they're just.
They've already given up.
Is that your interpretation after reading Byron's piece?
It is, yeah.
After reading Byron's piece in today's Washington Examiner, that's my interpretation of it.
If you read the article, it's cold.
I don't know.
It's tough to say they've given up.
I do think they're still shell-shocked and they're feeling pretty powerless.
They've held the cards before, didn't ever use them.
Say, quick question.
If we go over the fiscal cliff, does that equal the Republicans caving?
You can make an argument that it does not mean the Republicans have caved.
Going over the fiscal cliff means the Republicans have not given Obama what he wants.
You could say they are hanging tough.
You could also say they might be they'd better be ready to fight for their life because that's what's going to be on the other side of it because they're going to be blamed for it and they better be ready for it.
But you might other people say that we've already lost the debate because we're now talking about how much to increase taxes instead of how much to decrease spending.
And that's true, too.
The argument that everybody's waging is how much new revenue.
And somewhere over there, they're discussing spending cuts.
And of course, they're not going to be part of the deal, even if there is one.
They'll be a part of the deal 10 years down the road, which means they'll never happen, as is the usual case.
But some people think, look, as long as you're going to fight it, fight it.
And if you're going to fight it, take your stand on spending cuts.
And the Republican leadership has decided that in order to get any spending cuts, they're going to have to go along with some sort of revenue increase.
They've made the calculation.
They can't go anywhere without conceding some of that.
That's why $800 billion of new revenue is on the table.
Obama this afternoon was on Bloomberg TV's Lunch Money show with the correspondent Juliana Goldman.
She said, this, Mr. President, sounds like the usual same old Washington gridlock.
Speaker Boehner was here at the White House last night for Christmas party.
The two of you didn't even speak.
What's it going to take to get the two of you in a room to hash this out?
It's not me being stubborn.
It's not me being partisan.
It's just a matter of math.
You know, there's been a lot of talk that somehow we can raise $800 billion or $1 trillion worth of revenue just by closing loopholes in deductions.
But a lot of your viewers understand that the only way to do that would be if you completely eliminated, for example, charitable deductions.
Well, if you eliminate charitable deductions, that means every hospital and university and non-for-profit agency across the country would suddenly find themselves on the verge of collapse.
So that's not a realistic option.
Yeah, right on.
That's BS.
You're not going to let them collapse.
You'll become the sole benefactor.
That's the plan.
By the way, well, it's not me being stubborn.
It's not me being partisan.
It is entirely being partisan.
That's all this is.
Pure and simple.
You know, I don't know, folks.
It's hard for me to not be cynical about this.
They sign the debt limit increase, and they tell us that they put in these terms that nobody can live with if they don't come to an agreement later, which is what we're trying to do now.
And that's where sequestration is part of it, and the defense cuts and all these other cuts in Medicare.
Nobody's going to want to.
The Medicare cuts are to motivate the Democrats.
The defense cuts are there to motivate the Republicans.
But look, there's a likelihood we're going to go over to Cliff and that's, in fact, the Democrats want that.
But it is Obama being partisan.
And it is Obama being stubborn.
And it is Obama saying, I won.
And it is Obama saying, I don't respect you little dirtbags for as far as I could throw you.
I resent the hell having it.
I mean, he has Baker Boehner up there at some White House Christmas party.
They're going to seek him out.
Not that he is obligated to, but there's no collegiality here.
This is all.
We're all being played again.
It's the same old song and dance.
And we know how this is going to end up.
Higher taxes and more spending.
We know how it's going to end up.
And if there are spending cuts, it's going to be $50 billion.
Something that we spend every five minutes.
It's going to be insignificant.
Just something that they can say they cut the budget.
If we go over the cliff, then you have to say that the Republicans are not caving, and they better be prepared for what's on the other side.
So Juliana Goldman said, well, do you think that you can get the revenues you're looking for?
See, here's the thing.
To me, all of this is smoke and mirrors.
I mean, who sets the narrative of the template?
We need more revenue.
We obviously, folks, we don't have a revenue problem.
This fiscal mess we're in is not because people aren't taxed enough.
It's not because businesses aren't taxed enough.
It's because there's just way, way, way too much spending.
We simply cannot afford everything that we're attempting to pay for.
We just don't have the money.
And it isn't there raising taxes.
We don't even make a dent in confiscating all the money the rich have.
We don't even make a dent if we take all of it, which you can only do once.
But yet, here are all these doom coughs in the media.
Do you think you can get the revenues you need?
Do you get the revenues you need?
Do you get new taxes that you need?
It's a collection of robots calling themselves journalists, singing the same tune written by the regime every year.
Need new revenue, need new revenue.
Must fire bill session, must-fire bill session, must-fire generate.
All this stuff pops up, becomes part of the public domain, and it just not even news.
It's all part of an agenda.
And what this agenda happens to be is shrinking the amount of money that's available to people in the private sector, which then forces them to turn to government to live.
That's all this is.
And there doesn't seem to be much opposition to it among our elected people or Republicans in Washington.
It's just an argument over who can manage this behemoth better.
Anyway, her question.
You think you can get the revenues you're looking for from raising rates to somewhere between where they are now and the 39.6%?
Like, you think you could get the revenues you need with 37 or 38%, maybe eliminate some deductions?
Is that doable, Mr. President?
Let me sort of describe a process here for you, Juliana.
So let's let those go up.
Yeah, please do.
Please describe the BF.
It's a process with a time certain at the end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on tax reform.
We look at what loopholes and deductions both Democrats and Republicans are willing to close.
And it's possible that we may be able to lower rates by broadening the base at that point.
And I'm happy to work with them.
Oh, folks, this is exactly what I, your host, El Rushbow, predicted.
Obama wants all the rates to go up, and then he'll come back later in the year and pretend to cut some.
He wants the rates to go on the middle class, particularly.
That he can't wait for because he knows that every low-information voter in this country knows that he doesn't want any tax increases on the middle class.
Throughout the campaign, every debate, the one thing that the Democrats have nailed, particularly for the low-information voter, is no way are middle-class taxes going up.
If they know anything, they know that.
I don't care how little else they know.
That's what they think they know.
That Obama and the Democrats will fall on a sword to keep their taxes going up.
Then the taxes go up and outrage and panic ensue.
And then Obama, within minutes, national address to the nation, blaming the Republicans for it, failing to compromise.
He won.
They lost.
Their ideas were rejected.
The American people wanted our plan, my plan.
And now, because the Republicans wouldn't agree with me and deal with me, your taxes have gone up.
So I am coming today to propose a massive middle-class tax cut to take you and the middle class back to where you were before the Republicans raised your taxes trying to protect the rich.
And the Republicans had better have an answer for that.
So far, they don't have an answer for that, but they'd better, because that is what's coming.
But this is absolutely a crock that he will lower rates by broadening the base.
That is the right thing to do, and it's the right thing to do now.
And what I think he's telegraphing with that comment is that Simpson Bowles is something he would sign down the road.
Once he gets what he wants politically, he wants middle-class tax rates to go up so that he is seen as the great savior cutting them.
And then somewhere down there, he might, it's a long shot.
I mean, it's not guaranteed, but he might, because Simpson Bowles, that's their language.
He doesn't believe this, but there's no way Obama believes he knows it works, but he doesn't believe it.
That's regonomics, broadening the base, lowering tax rates, creating more jobs, more taxpayers.
Uh-uh.
Could have done that in any of the last four years.
Don't want to do that.
Barack Obama is not going to be president of a country where the private sector is seen as reviving itself.
It ain't going to happen.
Barack Obama is going to be president of a country where it is seen that he did whatever it is that people think is good, that he is seen as saving things, not people themselves, not the private sector.
Obama looks at money in the private sector the same way he views domestic oil production.
He wants to put more and more private capital off limits, more and more oil off limits.
Now, the Simpson Bowles plan calls for a top tax rate of 23%.
That's lower than the 35% rate now, let alone the 39% top rate that Obama wants.
No, we're never going to see 23% with Obama.
That's what Simpson Bowles is suggesting.
I got to take a break.
I just saw the clock.
We'll be back.
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I don't care, folks, and you're right, and you know it, it makes you happy.
It can be frustrating, too, but nevertheless, this still is more fun for me because I'm doing what I was born to do.
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No, it's a total of six people.
We got three grand prize winners, and each winner gets to bring somebody.
So it's six people that get to come down here the same day.
And everybody here together watching the program, part of a three-day, two-night stay in South Florida, 2ifbytea.com.
We'll be back, folks.
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