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Nov. 29, 2012 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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November 29, 2012, Thursday, Hour #1
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Welcome to today's edition of the Rush 247 Podcast.
The uh the views expressed by the host on this program really make more sense than anything anybody else out there is saying.
I mean, never more has that been true than it is today, particularly today.
How are you, folks?
It's great to have you here, as always, Rush Limbaugh on the fastest week in media.
Already Thursday.
It's amazing how fast the week goes when Thursday is your second day of work.
As it is for me.
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Okay, so building on the program from yesterday.
If you didn't hear yesterday's program, go to Rush Limbaugh.com to get caught up, because I can't repeat it.
For those of you that were here, I'm going to build on a little bit on yesterday.
I'm I'm watching all of the talk from everybody.
Learned pundits, learned uh analysts, uh elected officials, and virtually everybody, and they're all discussing this fiscal cliff issue, identically the same.
They are all analyzing it through the same prism.
They're all looking at it as though it's no different than any other budget negotiation in a history of the country in a budget.
But I keep hearing something that genuinely puzzles me, and it's this.
Republicans have more leverage than they know.
And you know why?
I'll tell you why is said that the Republicans have more leverage than they know because Obama he doesn't want a second recession.
He already had one of those in his first term, and now he's in his second term, and now he's got to be concerned about his legacy, and there's no way that Barack Obama wants a second recession to kick off his second term because that won't look good on his legacy.
I'm dumbfounded by this.
I'm perplexed.
I am totally confused because I need somebody to explain to me why Obama cares about not having a recession in his second term.
Where is the evidence that Barack Obama cares about economic growth in the sense that you and I care about it?
We have four years.
And don't tell me the debt deal in 2010 when Obama wanted to perpetuate continue to Bush tax rates.
That was not about economic growth.
That was about Obama's reelection.
Barack Obama has stated since before he was elected.
He stated during his campaign in 2007-2008, he stated in years prior that his objective is to transform the United States.
He wants to turn this nation into a welfare state, because to him that is what is fairness.
This country was founded unjustly and immorally.
A bunch of elite white guys who founded the nation in a system to perpetuate people like them in wealth and in power in perpetuity.
And in the process, minorities and people of color and indigenous peoples everywhere, non whites were given the shaft.
And we're never had a chance to succeed in this country.
The game's been rigged since the founding.
His objective is to change that.
He's made no bones about it.
If your objective, if you're Barack Obama, your objective is to totally transform the country, and you are in the middle of successfully pulling that off.
Why would you be worried about something like a recession?
Isn't in fact Perhaps a recession or more chaos, exactly what you would want.
If your objective is to transform the country, if your objective is redistribution of wealth, if your objective is to destroy the traditional definitions of how prosperity is created in this country, if your objective is to change this country at its root,
why would you be worried about my contention would be that Obama is looking at his legacy not in the same way that all of the people in Washington for all of these years are looking at second term or presidential legacies.
Fifty years from now, do you think Obama is going to be worried about what's written?
Yeah, recession in his second term, horrible economic plan.
You think that's what Obama's game aiming for?
I think Obama is looking for historians to write about the historic transformation of this country.
The ultimate shattering of capitalism.
That's the legacy he's seeking.
Would somebody explain to me why Obama is still campaigning?
If he's really interested in growth, if he's really inter as in growth as you and I, I don't think he's interested in growth, but he wants government growth.
He wants the growth of the state.
The state can only grow one way, and that is if you take money away from the private sector, from individuals.
He is hellbent on raising taxes on everybody.
And the reason for that is that it shrinks the private sector and grows government.
And that's what his objective is.
That's growth to him.
If he were really interested in economic growth, prosperity for all, the way you and I, and apparently everybody in Washington understands it, then he'd be negotiating.
He'd be trying to come up with a deal that would make sense for economic growth.
He's not, he's campaigning for what he wants.
He's still campaigning.
By the way, there's unemployment news today.
Somebody needs to get hold of Reuters and remind them, hey, you know what?
You won.
You don't have to continue to do stories showing 399,000 applications for unemployment is good news.
But they're doing it because they are in a perpetual campaign mode.
Because Obama's continuing to try to sell what he wants to do.
He got re elected with it.
Would somebody show me the evidence in the first term that Barack Obama is interested in economic growth as you and I understand it.
I'm serious.
I I've don't misunderstand.
My passion here is not anger.
I'm not, I'm not angry at anybody.
I'm just looking and I'm listening to all this, and and I mean before the election, if you'll recall, learned figures like F. Chuck Todd and others in the drive-by media talked about Obama has not really put forth a plan to deal with the debt.
Well, there's a reason.
He doesn't have a plan to deal with the debt because his only objective with the debt is not to worry about it.
Somebody show me where Obama has at any time formulated policy or made statements that would successfully reduce the annual budget deficit or the overall national debt.
It's just the opposite.
Everything Obama is doing, everything he has done, everything he says he wants to do, everything he proposes, we'll grow the debt.
Everything.
That reality is right in front of our face.
That reality, by the way, was approved of by the American people who voted.
A majority of the people of this country who voted, re-elected Barack Obama on exactly this premise.
Do not believe that the people who voted for Obama were fooled.
Just like it'd be a mistake to believe that the people in California who voted to raise taxes on themselves are fooled.
They aren't.
They are voting for what they want?
So did the people who voted in the presidential race a few weeks ago, the majority of whom voted for what they want.
They are voting for a country to be transformed and changed to where the government is the primary source of wealth or prosperity or survivability, whatever you want to describe it.
I think it is...
I'm having trouble coming up with a term for this.
But the conventional wisdom, the group think.
I mean, folks, I don't care where you go, and this is not a criticism.
I'm actually looking at this in some in wonderment.
I don't care where you go.
It could be a left-wing blog, a right-wing blog, a left-wing magazine, a right wing magazine, a left-wing newspaper, right-wing newspaper, they're all analyzing these negotiations in the same way.
Can Obama can Obama prevail over the Republicans?
The Republicans have any leverage.
The Republicans are going to get entitlement reform.
Will there be any serious tax reform?
Will there be any serious spending cut?
All of that is just bunk.
It's not real.
That's not what's happening.
And the leverage that the Republicans have.
That's right, Mr. Limbaugh, the Republicans have leverage that they don't even know they have.
Because Obama doesn't want that second-term recession.
They need to call his bluff.
They don't dare cave on this because Obama does not want to be saddled with a second.
I don't think he cared about the first term recession.
And besides, an Obama recession is never going to be called a recession.
The people who write the history are Obama's friends.
Whatever happens economically is not going to be 399,000 unemployment claims is good news.
7.9, 8.2% unemployment?
Not a problem.
Would somebody explain to me how the people who elected Obama, who support Obama, who love Obama in the media, in the universities who write the history are going to write anything critical of a guy, no matter what happens.
Even if there is a second-term recession, you're going to need a telescope to find it reported.
Just like you need a telescope to find Oprah's network now.
It won't be reported as a recession.
So what is the leverage that the Republicans have?
To my mind, the only leverage they've got is to walk away from this.
To stop playing.
To stop talking.
To stop playing this game.
The Republicans lost.
Now they still control the House of Representatives.
Boehner still runs the show there.
But the only leverage that I can see that they've got is to back out of this.
And make sure that whatever happens, they don't have any fingerprints on it.
I know what you're saying.
And you'd be right.
You're saying, but Rush but rush, no matter what the Republicans do, they're going to get blamed for it.
Yes.
Totally true.
No matter what happens.
If there is a reported recession, in fact, it'll be said to be the Republicans in the House fault.
No matter what happens, that's going to be said.
And no matter what happens, as we sit here now, the American people, the majority of whom are going to believe that.
So back out of this and make sure you don't have any fingerprints on this at all.
But Rush but Rush, aren't your fingerprints going to be on it if you back out?
Can't you couldn't the case be made that Republicans backing out and letting Obama have his way is in effect allowing this transformation to happen to go ahead and have any, can't you say there'd be fingerprints there?
Yes, but I'm telling you, there's another aspect of this that Obama is attempting to pull off here.
And if the Republicans aren't careful, it's going to happen.
Not only Is he not worried about a recession in the second term?
Because even if there is one, it will not be reported as such.
What Obama is doing in addition to transform, in fact, part of, I should say, part of Obama's transformation of America is wiping out the Republican Party.
And anybody who fails to understand that that is also part of Obama's agenda at this moment.
Anybody fails to understand that is really not paying attention.
And is too caught up in traditional conventional wisdom about, well, it was just another election.
Well, yes, Obama won.
Yes, we marshal our forces and we come back, but we need to stand for pro-growth policies and all that rot gut.
Yes, we do.
And there's no way we're ever going to be tied to pro-growth policies if our fingerprints are on this coming disaster.
And folks, uh me raise another point here with you.
Talking about how to stave this off.
Let me give you some words that are never associated with current Republican leaders.
And this is not personal criticism either.
Simply a recitation of reality as we sit here today.
You will never hear these words said about or associated with any current Republican leader.
Clever, brilliant, masterful, feared, charismatic.
All of those words are applied to the Democrats.
Every one of those words is applied to Obama.
There isn't room in the media narrative for any of those words to be attached to a Republican leader.
In other words, do you do any of you think that they're let's say we wanted to engage.
Let's say we wanted his roll up sleeves and get in the mud with all this, these Democrats, and really try to stop them dead in their tracks.
Would somebody point to me the Republican who can do that by virtue of evidence?
And again, not criticism.
I don't want anybody calling anybody's office and saying I'm calling people cowards.
I'm not doing that at all.
I'm simply assessing situation as it exists.
And if the motivation, if the objective is to strike a deal, we're finished.
Because it isn't going to be a deal advantageous to us.
Those cards were taken off the table on election day.
The safest, the best thing to do is back out of this and let Obama and the Democrats have it and do what they're going to do.
Because that's going to happen anyway.
I don't know about you, but I don't want my fingerprints on this.
I got to take a brief time out here, folks.
Isn't it a shame?
But it's true.
We must.
We're back with more after this.
Don't go away.
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Don't misunderstand me, ladies and gentlemen.
I'm what about I'm not coming up here with a partisan strategy that's based only on partisan concerns for the Republicans.
I think if you want to call Obama's bluff, if that's what you really believe, if if there are people who think that Obama will not go where he wants to go unless he has Republican fingerprints, then don't give him any.
If you believe the Republicans truly have leverage, then use it.
And the way you use it is making sure that as far as Obama's concerned, he doesn't have any assistance in taking his country over the cliff.
That that's all him.
That's my only point here.
And let's find out.
Let's find out real fast.
You know, I would love to be wrong.
I'd love to be wrong about this fact that Obama wants to transform this country into something like Europe.
I'd love to be wrong about that.
I would love to be wrong about the fact that Obama's trying to destroy capitalism.
I would love to be wrong about the fact that Obama is trying to reform and retransform this country into something other than the way it was founded.
I just don't see any evidence of that is my only problem.
I see the Obamacare legislation, I see the stimulus, I see the executive orders, I see the Fast and Furious as everything he can do to undermine all the institutions and traditions that have made this country great.
I look at his enemies list, and it's all the wealth creators and producers, including small businesses.
Those are the people that is crosshairs.
I don't see him friendly to the people or the institutions that have defined this country's greatness.
I see a guy who's apologized for this country all over the world.
I see a guy who doesn't care about four dead Americans.
I see I guess seven hours nobody can account for where he was during that firefight.
So Susan Rice becomes a convenient distraction.
So nobody asks, where's Obama during all this?
His chosen guy, Morsi, Muslim Brotherhood, has just established himself as a pharaoh.
Obama will not denounce it.
But he'll sure denounce what the Israelis do.
I'd love to be wrong about all this.
But if Obama's going to take this country over, and I think he wants the cliff, I think going over the cliff is the Democrat agenda.
And it's not ours.
And that's why we shouldn't be in the car when it goes over to Cliff.
He should be driving.
Last night on the Fox News Channel special report with Brett Bear, Dr. Krauthammer, Dr. Krauthammer opined that Republicans have more bargaining power than meets the eye, because Obama wants a successful second term.
And if an Obama's second term starts by going over to Cliff, it starts with a second recession, two million unemployed, and a wrecked second term.
That's what I'm not so sure about.
Because Obama didn't care about any of that in the first term.
Everything that happened in the first term Obama wanted to happen, folks.
I frankly, and I well, I people say this all the time.
I I don't quite see what's so difficult to ascertain about this.
See, I believe that going over the cliff is the Democrat Party's agenda.
I believe tax increases on everybody is the Democrat Party agenda, including the middle class.
They just don't talk about that.
They talk about tax increases on the rich, but everybody's taxes are going up thanks to a whole bunch of things, including Obamacare, and wait till they get involved with the alternative minimum tax or the value-added tax, which may come later.
I mean, to me, it's all academic.
In fact, I think for the Democrat Party, the way they look at things...
Going over the cliff is a win-win.
Where are the American people right now?
What just happened, folks?
Big government just got re-elected.
Big government Santa Claus just got re-elected by people who were not fooled.
Ergo.
Will people be disappointed if they get more of it?
More and more people look to government as the source of what they have.
Why would they be upset if government grows?
They wouldn't.
They weren't upset about it prior to the election.
What has changed since November 5th or 6th, whatever the date was.
So if we go over the cliff, what happens?
What's on the table?
Tax increases for everybody.
The Bush tax rates expire.
Now I know Obama's out there at a Democrats say, we need to rein in that Bush tax cut on the middle.
We need to keep it in place.
And I know you're shouting it, but Rush 2010, 2010, Obama, he had a chance to go over to Cliff and didn't.
That's my point.
If you're gonna call a bluff, call a bluff.
And you call a bluff by pulling out of the of the negotiations.
The Democrats are talking about we got to maintain the Bush tax rates for 98% of the people.
And Obama's out saying, yeah, I want to do that too, but I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna stop till I get my tax increases on the rich.
And the Republicans, well, you're not gonna get that unless it's just a spending cuts.
So the Democrats, okay, we'll cut Medicare ten years from now.
And if things stay true to form, Republicans will say deal.
Well, I don't, I'm sorry.
I don't want more of the same.
I don't want phantom spending cuts that never happen.
With real tax increases are gonna happen tomorrow and maybe be retroactive.
I just think I I listen to Democrats.
I believe what they say.
And I paid attention to the election results.
And I think what's on the table, the fiscal cliff, what is it?
It's the result of the budget, the the the uh debt limit deal.
They came to an agreement, and what did they say it when they cut they put such onerous future activity on the table.
No party would dare want to go to the brink.
And here's what it was in exchange for raising a debt limit the last time.
The Bush tax cuts go away, which is tax increases for everybody.
Massive defense budget cuts happen, all kinds of other horrible things happen.
And the theory is they're so horrible that neither party will let any of it happen, and it'll force them back to the table, and they'll come to a last minute deal, and everybody'll be happy.
And Washington will experience fundamental change, and all of that is the same old rigmarole.
It is my contention to you, the Democrat Party want tax increases for everybody.
This is not gonna say so, but they do.
Going over to Cliff is a win.
Obama gets to raise taxes, which by the way include tax increases on the middle class.
You have to make a pretense of paying for the welfare state.
He does want more revenue, but not to balance budgets.
He wants more revenue to spend it.
So we'd have to borrow as much.
By the way, you know what's next, folks?
Keep a sharp eye.
There are Democrats already talking about all the money collectively in everybody's 401ks.
There are Democrats already talking about all the money that's in all these pension plans out there.
The Democrat Party is already getting wide-eyed over the possibility of literally commandeering the funds in everybody's combined 401ks.
This cliff business is the tip of the iceberg.
Their plans include far more than going over the cliff.
They need the money for their welfare state.
Their welfare state is what keeps them entrenched in power.
Their welfare state, Santa Claus, is what secures votes for them.
The welfare state is what guarantees a permanent underclass, which they need.
So we go over the cliff.
It's a win.
Everybody's taxes go up.
You need that revenue.
Pay for your welfare state.
In addition, what else happens?
You get cuts in the military.
You don't think the Democrats like that?
If you haven't, if you don't believe you haven't been paying attention, the Democrats can't wait for military cuts, defense cuts.
My whole life, that's the only thing they want to cut.
And here it is just waiting for them.
It's already done.
All we have to do is go over to Cliff.
Nobody has to even make a proposal.
Nobody has to even offer legislation.
Nobody has to even pass, much less vote on anything.
It's already there.
Defense cuts.
Tax increases.
It's there.
It's their Christmas morning.
They can see it.
All we got to do is go over to Cliff.
Cliff.
Okay.
And as far as Obama's concerned, he gets to blame the Republicans for all of this after it happens.
Doesn't matter if there's any real blame to give them or not.
The way the media, the Democrat Party work in tandem, you know what's going to happen.
We go over the Cliff.
Well, the Republicans didn't deal with us.
Well, the Republicans wouldn't agree.
Well, the Republicans objected.
Well, the Republicans this.
Yeah.
Folks, that's going to continue happening no matter what the Republicans do until somebody comes along and figures a way to stuff that back down the Democrats' throats.
Until somebody comes along and figures how to stuff it back down the media's throats in the Democrat Party throats.
A Republican Party is going to get blamed for everything no matter what they do.
My point is Obama wants the cliff.
But let's let's let's pretend that I'm wrong.
And let's let's let's say that he really doesn't want to go over the cliff.
Let's say that he really doesn't want a recession in his second.
Let's let's say that I'm dead.
Then the way to handle that, the way to call his bluff on this is to not negotiate with him and leave it totally up to him what happens.
Very publicly walk away from the talks so that whatever happens vis-a-vis is perceived to happen.
Well, the real point will be to flush Obama out.
Find out.
I would suggest to people who really believe Obama is concerned about his second term and his legacy, he doesn't want a recession.
The only way to flush that out is to come dangerously close to allowing it all to happen.
And the way you do that is by pull out of negotiations and offer no resistance.
My only point is if the Republicans offer no resistance to what Obama wants, we'll find out just how willing he is to take the country over the cliff.
And I all I'm saying is that all these people saying he doesn't want to take us over to Cliff.
He's worried about his second term legacy.
He doesn't want two million new unemployed, he doesn't want that written about him.
Let's find out.
And you can't find out by negotiating with him.
Do that, you're gonna get played for a fool.
That is my theory.
Look, before the election, a number of us were of the belief that we're headed for a second recession anyway, a double dip, right?
Because of policies already in play, and because of the reluctance to modify any of them to fix what what harm they're causing.
He'd love to be able to say that this coming recession is the fault of the Republicans.
My point is he's going to anyway.
My point is the Democrats are going to anyway.
So prove me wrong.
I could be I could be very wrong.
Maybe Obama does care about his second term.
Maybe he does care about his legacy.
Maybe he doesn't want a whole bunch of new unemployment.
Maybe he doesn't want a recession.
One sure way of finding out is to let him own this, let him take us wherever we're headed.
He once said that the Republicans drove the car in a ditch, right?
That we're not qualified to drive.
Okay, fine.
Take him at his word.
We get out of the car.
We'll pull it out of the ditch, we'll put him in a driver's seat, we'll wave and he'll see us in the rear view mender, Uh rear view windows he rear view mirror as he heads toward the cliff.
And we'll see if he stops or goes over.
Do we have the courage to do that?
I don't know that we'll ever find out, but that's what I would do.
But I'm just a radio guy.
Look, folks, don't misunderstand.
Obama clearly cares about his legacy.
It's just not a legacy you and I think of presidents caring about.
His legacy, he wants to be thought of in the world media and at the UN as a great socialist.
His legacy, he can't wait to have it written.
He is the one who brought the United States to its knees.
He is the one who converted it from this unfair, unscrupulous, mean spirited, evil capitalist militaristic empire to a wonderful free fair nation.
That's the legacy he's looking for.
You think he cares about unemployment?
Show me the evidence that he cares about unemployment.
Show me the evidence he cares about people in the Northeast after Hurricane Sandy.
Show me the evidence.
Well, Russia, that sounds really hard.
No, it's not hard.
It's right in front of your face.
All you gotta do is admit it.
Snerdly saying, Boy, you really stepped in it now.
I said, What do you mean?
Well, I just see it now.
You're gonna take your Christmas vacation, you're gonna be gone.
Something's gonna happen, whatever happens, you're gonna get blamed, and you're gonna be on vacation.
The media can be blaming you, Obama's gonna be blaming you, and it's gonna be the Republicans fail to make a deal because they're afraid of you.
And I said, wait a second.
How can I be blamed?
I am advocating for Obama to get what he wants.
How can I possibly be blamed for that?
I'm saying let Obama take this country where he wants to take it.
Let's find out where that is.
Because there are some people still don't get it.
Thank you.
How about this headline from the UK Daily Mail?
Loving husband who claimed Parkinson's drug turned him into a gay sex addict, wins a hundred and sixty thousand pounds compensation in a French court.
That's right there.
It is.
I'm not making it up.
There's the headline.
Loving husband, a Parkinson sufferer, has won a six-figure payout against a drug company after his medication turned him into a gay sex and gambling addict.
A jury.
Didier Jambar had been a well-respected man, an upstanding member of the community in Western France, loving father and husband.
But within two years of taking the drug requip, he was so addicted to both his vices, gay sex and gambling, that he sold his children's toys to raise money and advertised himself on the internet for sex.
And he has been given 160,000 pounds in damages after a court uh in France upheld his claims.
And you think this is odd?
Well, this is no odder than what John Roberts convolutedly discovered when he ruled an Obamacare.
You think it's impossible for courts to be corrupted?
So 160 grand in damages because of Parkinson's disease drug turned into a gay sex addict.
You know who's not going to believe that's Lady Gaga.
Here's uh here's Steve in Baltimore.
Steve, welcome to the EIB network.
Great to have you here.
Hello.
Thank you, Russ, for taking my call.
Uh 19-year listener, first time caller.
Thank you, sir.
Uh monologue, brilliant, but you're not taking it far enough.
Here's what I think.
I appreciate that, sir.
There really isn't much left to say, but but uh fire away.
Let me take it away.
Every time the Democrats set the Republicans up for a Lose-lose situation.
Doesn't matter if we do something or don't do something, we lose.
It's time we turn the table and make it a win-win situation.
And here's what I mean.
We the reason we lost the election is because not because we didn't get the spank vote or the women vote or the minority vote.
We lost because we didn't have enough Republicans out there voting for Romney.
I learned my lesson back in 92 when I voted for Perot by mistake, never ever thinking that the country would be stupid enough to elect Clinton.
I wanted to protest vote against Bush, and it backfired.
I've learned my lesson.
Obviously, there's not enough people who have learned their lesson.
The Republicans need to do nothing.
They need to stand up, say, no, we're doing the conservative thing.
We want these bush cuts to go through for everyone or no one.
And here's why I think let them go through for everybody.
The poor is not paying their fair share.
Uh Biden says it's the I'm sorry I've step in here.
You it's so callous and and and so grating and uh mean to hear the poor are not paying their fair share.
Don't you understand?
This country was built on the backs of the poor.
Everything the poor had has been taken from them.
And it built this country.
And it's time it was returned to them.
And that's what Obama's about.
Come on, wake up.
In Washington State, ladies and gentlemen, the words bride and groom and husband and wife are going to be eliminated, removed from marriage certificates.
Bride and groom, husband-wife gone in Washington State.
And what am I saying?
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