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Aug. 14, 2012 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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August 14, 2012, Tuesday, Hour #1
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Welcome to today's edition of the Rush 24-7 podcast.
Now we're getting the audio on this right now.
I just sent it up there to cookie.
Biden!
Biden is out there, folks.
Where was he?
He's in the sea.
He's in Danville, Virginia.
Snerdley, get this.
The rest of you.
Biden, Joe Bitemee, Vice President of the United States, is in Danville, Virginia.
Got an audience that it says here, a clear population of minorities.
Which, for those of you in Rio Linda, means there's some black people in the crowd.
And Biden says, Romney wants to, he said in the first hundred days, he's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules.
He's going to unchain Wall Street.
They're going to put y'all back in chains.
Joe Biden told a bunch of black people in a campaign appearance, and by the way, hardly anybody's showing up.
Biden drew 660 people yesterday in wherever he was.
By the way, the Obama campaign is sending out emails, internal emails, to each other.
They are distressed at the size of the turnout, crowd turnout for Ryan and Romney separately and together.
They're very worried about it.
Anyway, Biden's out there.
Yeah, they're going to put y'all back in chains.
We're working on the audio now.
I just sent it up there.
How are you, folks?
It's great to have you here.
Rush Lynn Bought, 800-282-2882.
And the email address, lrushbo at EIBnet.com.
Are you sick and tired yet hearing how Paul Ryan wants to kill Medicare?
You know what's going to kill Medicare is Medicare.
Medicare is going to eat itself.
Medicare is going to implode if something isn't done about it.
Unless somebody does something to save it.
And I'll tell you, I had a thought develop yesterday when we were discussing the $700 billion that Obama cuts from Medicare.
It's not just that he took $700 billion from Medicare.
He put that $700 billion elsewhere.
Obama is robbing Medicare.
Obama is the guy that's robbing money from Medicare.
By the time it's all said and done, when you factor interest over the number of years, you could accurately say that Obama is taking a trillion dollars out of Medicare and putting it elsewhere in Obamacare as an accounting.
Well, it's not just an accounting move, it's a real transfer of money in order to keep the overall reported cost down.
And I remember yesterday having so much trouble convincing people of this because the meme is out there that Ryan's budget cuts Medicare.
And I want to apologize for being so frustrated with Mr. Snerdley, but he was really stupid yesterday.
Normally, you know, I say it to him a couple of times and he understands it, but the whole show yesterday was frowning at me like I was speaking a foreign language because he was so wedded to the idea that the Ryan budget cuts Medicare.
And he was so scared that we're going to get creamed on that.
And I said, no, the Ryan budget doesn't cut Medicare.
Nobody over 55 has anything different happened to them.
And if you're under 55, you get to choose to stay in the current Medicare program or choose something else.
And then, ladies and gentlemen, I saw Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz on with Wolf Blitzer, who took her to school on this.
Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz, just as Rachel Maddow on Sunday, Meet the Press, Rich Lowry played you those soundbites, she did not have an answer for the proposition that Obama is cutting $700 billion out of Medicare.
She didn't have an answer.
All she could say to Lowry's question about it was, well, I'm not running for anything.
Part of me, when I heard that clip, we played it yesterday, when I heard it, part of me said, you know, she may not know.
She may not know if Bo Snerdley, who is as informed as anybody except me or I on these things, if Bo Snerdley thinks that Ryan cuts $500 billion in Medicare, then certainly every Democrat believes it because why does anybody believe Ryan cuts 500?
Because that's what the Democrats say.
So I'm thinking, maybe Rachel Maddow doesn't even know.
Not that she's lying, not that she was trying to cover up getting caught.
She was stymied because she really didn't know.
It may have been the first time that she heard that Obamacare cut $700 billion out of Medicare.
Then I saw Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz on Wolf Blitzer, and she didn't know.
Now, with Debbie, you don't know if she didn't know or she's lying about it or a combination of the two.
But I began to wonder, began to wonder all these television Democrats, all these so-called Democrat strategists, they may not know.
They may not know what Obamacare has done to them.
They may not know that they have an indefensible position.
They live off of a playbook that's very simple.
Republicans equal what?
Starving kids, cutting Social Security, kicking the elderly out of their homes.
They believed it.
They have uttered this by rote for so many decades that they just believe it.
Conservative Republican equals cuts.
Conservative, it's almost robotic.
And when you hit them with, no, no, no, Ryan doesn't cut any money out of Obama 700.
They're floored.
They don't have any idea what to do.
Really, it's almost like Rachel Maddow and this babe, Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz are hearing it for the first time.
I'll have a soundbite coming up for you here in just a second.
Then, after thinking that, I ran into a piece at National Review Online by a man by the name of Yuval Levin, who has co-written things with Pete Wayner, who's my friend, who worked with Rove in the Bush.
Well, by the way, Pete just announced, I knew this weeks ago.
I was sworn to secrecy on this, but I knew it weeks ago.
But he announced yesterday he's joining the Romney campaign.
And he worked with Paul Ryan at Empower America with Bill Bennett and Jack Kemp back in the 90s.
That stuff matters.
Bill Benton, Bill Bennett, and Kemp were great mentors to these guys.
It demonstrates that it's important where you go to school, who your mentors are.
Anyway, Yuval Levin has this piece at National Review.
Obamacare changed everything.
And listen to this paragraph.
I don't think Axelrod and Maddow were just setting out to lie exactly.
It's worse than that.
Listening to them, it seemed as if they really hadn't realized until now the situation that they were in.
They're used to a certain order of things on Medicare, and they haven't stopped to grasp what Obamacare has done to them.
They assume that it must be true that Republicans want to cut benefits and Democrats want to keep them.
But it isn't true, not anymore.
You can see that panicked realization slowly rising.
That's exactly what I thought.
And with Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz, the same thing.
So then I began to think, what an opportunity this is.
These people, we know they've been lying to us.
Now they're lying to themselves.
They are in a perfect position from our standpoint to be embarrassed.
I think one of the greatest things that's happening here, that one of the most positive effects of the selection of Paul Ryan in this campaign, we are already talking more about the issues.
And we are double-down serious, double-down truthful on Medicare, the economy.
We're not talking about personalities anymore.
We're not talking about Romney and his steel worker's wife being murdered and all that.
And we're not even talking about Obama's personality.
We're talking about root ideas.
Now, I also have to admit, folks, if you'd have told me 20 years ago that in my 25th year on this program, Medicare would be one of the prime topics, I would have told you, well, then I won't have anybody listening to my show, if that's what I'm talking about.
Because if I'm talking 25 years, if I'm talking about Medicare, Social Security, you know what that means?
I'm finished.
And now look what's happened.
It has effervesced.
It has bubbled up to the top.
And it is because of the situation we're all in, the situation the country is in, and what the future portends if we get this wrong.
I'm sitting here in stunned amazement over a lot of these things.
But the idea, think about the idea that Rachel Maddow and Debbie Blabber don't know.
And by the way, that is entirely believable to me that these people don't really know.
Now, I'm not trying to say that they are innocent dupes.
They are Marxists.
They're leftists.
They have every desire for what Obama's doing to happen.
I'm not trying to excuse them.
What I'm saying is these people live in their own creative universe where they are elites.
They, in their own minds, are smarter than everybody.
And the same thing with the media.
And look how stupid they are.
Look how really ignorant and sheltered from what real life is in this country they are.
And it's probably the case for many elite liberals, media, high-ranking Democrats.
They're low information flax.
They are the opposite of what their PR or the buzz or the image of them is.
And now they're out there defending something that isn't true, that they are just now awakening to the fact that they really can't defend this.
And now they're going to have to start lying again purposefully and trying to become even more effective in their lies.
They are stupid and smug about it.
And I'm telling you, it is a golden opportunity for us here, provided I'm not the only one who thinks this.
Here, here's some more, Yuval Levin.
See, the Democrats folks are stuck in this play.
They never have to defend their ideology.
They never have to discuss their ideology.
They always hide it.
They camouflage it.
That's why they say things that are distractions.
It's why they lie about who they are and what they believe.
It's why they, because they cannot discuss their ideology.
Their ideology is represented only by 20%, 25% of the population.
They genuinely are a real minority.
They can't, we've discussed this, they can't be honest about what they really believe.
They can't be honest about what they intend.
So they live a lie.
They lie about what they are, who they are, what they want to do.
And as such, they never discuss their ideology.
But that doesn't work now.
They're going to have to discuss it.
Only they have realized that.
Here's Yuval Levin starting his piece.
Watching some of the Sunday shows yesterday, reading the usual suspects online, I was struck by how even knowledgeable liberals still don't understand what Obamacare has done to them.
They have a sense that healthcare is no longer a good issue for them, that it might have cost them the 2010 election and will hurt in 2012, but they have not grasped that Medicare is also no longer their issue.
And by the way, 2010 was all about health care.
It was all about Obamacare.
And it was a slam-dunk landslide defeat for them.
And what's changed?
Nothing.
But they lie to themselves.
22 midterms, 2002 midterms, a shock.
Bush held on to a majority in the House.
They couldn't understand why.
The exit poll said, well, values voters were really concerned about cultural rotten stuff.
Everybody was shocked.
So the Democrats are two weeks, yeah, well, we'll see what the exit poll is, and we're going to really reconnect with people on the value.
For two weeks, they said it, and it was bye-bye.
This becomes evident in part when you consider the arguments that Democrats naturally fall back upon regarding Medicare.
They're just false now.
So when Axelrod on CNN refers to Congressman Ryan's idea that we should turn Medicare into a voucher program, shifting thousands of dollars ultimately onto the backs of seniors, it's simply a lie.
Ryan's actual Medicare proposal doesn't shift costs to seniors.
It doesn't do anything that they're saying.
But they believe that it does, or else they know and they're just lying through their teeth and both options are possible.
But I'm telling you that evidence I've seen, I think some of these people are dear in the headlight eyes situation.
They naturally believe in the superiority of their ideas.
They naturally believe in the fact that they're the ones with compassion, that they're the only ones who care about old people.
They're the only ones who care about the poor.
And all of a sudden, they're hit between the eyes with the fact that their Messiah is the guy that's cut $700 billion out of Medicare.
It's their guy who's taken money away from seniors.
It's their guy who's robbing grandma.
It's their guy pushing grandma over to Cliff in a wheelchair, not Paul Ryan.
And I'm telling you, they now face, they got to go on television and now openly, knowingly lie when they know that we all know they're lying and can disprove what they're saying.
And I think this is a new place for them.
I got to take a brief time.
Oh.
Grab somebody 24 very quickly.
I want to squeeze this in before the break.
Here's Bite Me.
I want you to hear the bite.
This is what he said.
This is in Danville, Virginia, this morning.
They said it.
Every Republican's voted for it.
Look at what they value and look at their budget and what they're proposing.
Romney wants to let the, he said in the first hundred days, he's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules.
Unchain Wall Street.
They're going to put you all back in chains.
Got to take a break.
We'll be back.
Don't go anywhere, folks.
You see, folks, the truth of the matter is, and we've got an opportunity now to get this out there.
If anybody's conducting a war on seniors, it's not Paul Ryan, it's not Mitt Romney, and it's not any Republican, it's Barack Obama.
Obama is conducting a war on seniors.
Medicare, what is it?
Medicare, if untouched, is bankrupt, including Obamacare.
Medicare is bankrupt in 11, a half, 12 years.
And what is Obama doing?
How is Obama saving Medicare from bankruptcy?
He isn't.
He's taking money out of it.
$700 billion out of Medicare, all said and done, close to a trillion dollars.
I think they can be forced into defending what they are already having to do.
Now, if you're a young person paying into Medicare, what's really happening is Obama is taking your money and killing the program, which means you not only get no coverage, but you have to pay the massive bill.
Obama hasn't done anything about Medicare because he's concerned about having an issue to win re-election.
The Democrats haven't passed a budget because it requires laying out their priorities.
They want to get past another election cycle without having to be honest about what they intend.
That's why they don't have a budget and haven't had one for three years.
So if you are on Medicare or if you soon will be on Medicare, you have a lot to fear.
You need to be very, very afraid of Obama.
Obama and Obama care are actually hastening the end of Medicare.
Hi, how are you?
Welcome back.
Rush Limbaugh serving humanity here at the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Study.
You remember Obamacare came out?
It's over 2,000 pages.
We read it.
That's why we know what's in it.
The Heritage Foundation read it.
The Tea Party people read it.
James Peteku, everybody, we all read Obamacare.
We know what's in it.
The media didn't.
The media simply accepted the talking points.
Yeah, you get to keep your kid on the plan to age 26, and everybody with the pre-existing coverage is covered, and it's free.
And that's what Obamacare was.
That's how it was reported.
Your premiums go down $2,500.
Your kid stays on your policy until he's 26.
And if you have preexisting condition, you get insurance.
It's a beautiful thing.
Except it's all lies.
The media does not know.
The Democrats do not know.
They have not read Obamacare.
They have the ultimate faith in the lie that is liberalism, that they are the ones with the big hearts and all the compassion.
And everything in that bill, they trust that it's filled with love and compassion and concern.
They have no clue what's in that bill.
I'm convinced.
Now, not all of them.
I mean, look, don't misunderstand.
I'm talking about the TV Democrats.
I'm talking about every time you watch somebody on TV says, Democrat strategist.
I'm not talking about the leaders.
I mean, the architects of this, Obama, he knows full well what he's doing.
But their little marcher, their little ant farm of insects out there to go on television to talk, they're just drinking the Kool-Aid.
Now, here's Howard Dean.
Sunday morning, he was on this week, Needs David Brinkley.
And it was during the roundtable.
George Stephanopoulos talking to former Vermont Governor Howard Dean about Obama Medicare plan.
Stephanopoulos says, is the argument that the president cut $700 billion in Obamacare out of Medicare good enough?
I mean, that's what Ryan and Romney are saying.
Obama cut $700 billion.
Is that good enough, Howard Dean?
Here's the problem with talking about $700 billion that got cut out of Medicare, which was then transferred to Obamacare, which takes care of the same people.
The problem is that nobody believes that.
You can't convince people that a Democrat's going to cut Medicare.
They don't believe that.
And there you have it.
You can't convince anybody a Democrat would cut Medicare.
Yeah, and you can't convince anybody that it's the Democrats who turned the dogs in the fire hoses on civil rights marchers.
And nobody would believe it.
It's Democrats that kept blacks out of universities in the South.
And nobody would believe that a greater majority of Republican senators signed and voted the Civil Rights Act of 1964 than Democrats.
Nobody would believe that the Democrats would devise policies that actually bring harm to the American family, particularly minority families.
Nobody, he can say it all day, you can't convince people that a Democrat's going to cut Medicare.
They don't believe that.
And he's got a point.
Obamacare, but Howard Dean's wrong here.
Obamacare does not take care of the same people as Medicare.
People on Medicare have paid into it for all their lives.
The money they paid in is now being given to people who paid nothing.
That's what the $700 billion cut is.
Money that you've put in is being taken out and given to others.
The whole design of Obamaville is to take from people who work and earn and give it to people who don't.
In the name of fairness, in the name of the people who work are just lucky.
The people that have jobs that earn a lot of money, just luck.
We need to spread the wealth around.
Obamacare does not take care of the same people as Medicare.
That $700 billion cut out of Medicare to go to the other parts of Obamacare.
If it was going to Medicare, it would stay there.
But still, Howard Dean, nobody's going to believe that Democrats are cutting anything.
You can't convince people that Democrats are going to cut Medicare.
And that's why Rachel Maddow and Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz don't have any idea.
Now, this, I think Howard Dean's right.
It gives us an idea of the mission that we have.
And it's not just about for every email I get, Rush, you need to send something out to the media.
You need to tell the media that Ryan doesn't hurt anybody.
They're not.
I really wish people would accept them.
We're going to have to also beat the media, not convince them, not persuade them.
They're no different than the Democrat Congressional Campaign Committee.
They're no different than the Obama campaign.
They are an extension of it.
Anyway, I want you to hear Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz and Wolf Blitz.
I've been talking about this.
I got two sound bites.
This whole thing runs a little over three minutes, but I've cut it up.
So I have a rule, nothing over 60 seconds in the soundbite, brevity being this all the wit.
But I want to play the whole thing, cut it into a couple of bites.
And what this is, this is a situation room last night.
Wolf Blitzer, you got to give him some credit on this.
He hammers and hammers and hammers, and she's clueless.
Her eyes get big, batting her eyes.
She's in nowhereville here.
If you see this, Blitzer says he does call Ryan.
He does call for dramatic changes for people 54 and under.
But anybody who's 55 or older, or any senior living in Florida right now, they have absolutely nothing to worry about Debbie because if his plan were to be approved, it wouldn't affect them.
You do accept that, don't you?
No.
Paul Ryan's views two years ago on Medicare and how we can shore it up and preserve it for future generations were extreme and wrong then.
And they are extreme and wrong now, and made even worse by the fact that now they're in charge of the House of Representatives.
And actually, if Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan became president and vice president of the United States, they'd be able to end the Medicare guarantee, shred the health care safety net that Medicare has provided for more than 50 years, and turn Medicare into a voucher program, leaving seniors really out in the cold because as health care costs grow larger than the voucher provides, seniors wouldn't have enough money to cover their health care costs.
And we know that the Romney-Ryan plan would increase Medicare premiums by $6,300 each year for seniors, Wolf.
So we can take another approach to the pressure.
But he says there would be no, he says he's not calling for any changes for anyone who's 55 or older, including anyone who's on Medicare right now.
Those changes, and let's say we accept the description you had of all of those changes, that affects people 10 years from now, let's say 65 or 67, when they're eligible for Medicare, but it doesn't impact anyone who's receiving Medicare right now or those who have 10 years to go, 55 and older.
It certainly does.
And I'll tell you that.
Explain that.
Explain how if you're 56, 57, or 83 years old, how do his recommendations for those under 55 impact them?
And she continues to sing the song.
Ryan's an extremist.
He cuts Medicare.
The price goes up $6,300.
They take away the safety net.
They turn it into a voucher program.
Pull the string, and I'll say it again.
I'm nothing more than a blabber-mouthed Barbie doll.
Pull a string, and I'll say it again.
Pull a string and I'll say it again.
Pull the string and I'll say it again.
I'm a blabber-mouthed Barbie doll and I don't know what I'm talking about.
I've been programmed to say it.
Wolf, I don't know what you're talking about, but I got to continue to say what I know is true.
And that is the Republicans are going to destroy Medicare and kill everybody.
And that's essentially what she said.
Here we go.
I'm happy to.
First of all, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan presume that the people who are younger than 65 years old, who have spent decades in their case.
Remember their words.
He says 55.
Okay, so 55 and younger.
We'll start with that age.
Those people have spent decades paying into Medicare.
And because of the arbitrary cutoff of 55 years old that Romney and Ryan have established, that means that we would no longer, for those people, have Medicare be a guarantee.
Instead, we would shred that safety net.
It would no longer be a guarantee.
It would be a voucher.
They'd pay more than $6,000 more in premiums to pay for their Medicare coverage.
And because health care costs often rise higher than that voucher would at a faster rate, the voucher wouldn't provide for all the health care costs.
That would affect only for people who are under 55 right now.
Current recipients.
It's not okay.
Why do we presume?
He says that his proposal, and he spelled it out in the House Budget Committee, he's the chairman of that committee.
He says there would be absolutely no change.
You're familiar with his recommendations that no one over 55 would have would be impacted by his recommended changes.
Okay, here's how, though, as I said, because, first of all, we do care that we have a safety net in place in health care for people who are 65 now and for people as they turn 65.
We made a decision in the 1980s.
But they would continue to have this current.
No, they wouldn't.
He says that anybody who's over 55 is still going to receive exactly the same Medicare that they receive right now.
Okay, but Wolf, they end Medicare.
Their plan ends Medicare as we know it.
For people under 55 years old.
Yes, and that's not okay.
They end Medicare as we know it.
$6,000.
She's hit with the fact in three minutes, in a three-minute soundbite, Wolf Blitzer told her no less than eight times, nobody over 55 is affected by Ryan's Medicare plan.
She refuses to accept it.
She doesn't know what he's talking about.
Her talking points are all that matter, and that is they're going to kill the program, take away the safety net.
The voucher isn't going to be enough, and everybody's going to die.
She was one of the robots telling us that if Obamacare passed, that costs were going to go down.
Now, here she is talking about never-ending cost increases.
One other thing, though, I can't let Wolf off the hook totally here because there's a problem with what Blitzer was saying.
He is wrong.
Americans under the age of 55 have the option of staying in the current Medicare system.
They are not automatically, every one of them, shunted off into this new voucher plan.
When you hit the age of 55, if you're 20 now, you have a choice.
Stay in the current plan.
It's always going to exist.
But there's going to be a private sector option where you are given the money that is spent on you for Medicare.
You're given that money.
You go shop your own medical care.
Keep what you don't spend.
The idea is to bring back competition in health care and have prices that are commensurate with what people can afford to pay.
Now, this is important here because for three minutes, she's hit with the truth and she doesn't know what it is.
And if she does know, then she's just a very, very poor liar and was nothing more than robotic.
But she still said it, and there's still a lot of seniors out there who may not know what's going to scratch in their heads now.
And the question, who are they going to believe?
Wolf Blitzer?
When he said, no, if you're older 55, nothing is going to change for you.
Are they going to believe Debbie Blabbermouse Schultz?
That's the challenge we all got.
But look, I got to take a break, folks.
I'm a little long, as always seems to happen in this segment.
We'll be back.
Don't go away.
Now, this is interesting.
I just got an email.
Checked the email during the break.
Rush, I love you, man, but you're totally missing this.
Debbie Blabber Mouse Schultz won that.
How many times did she say Ryan shreds Medicare over and over?
And these idiots that live in this country are going to hear that and they're going to believe it.
You're getting all excited, Rush.
You think the truth carries the day, and it doesn't.
Propaganda wins every time it's tried.
And it doesn't matter whether she knows what she's talking about or not.
She just went out there.
Propagandists are natural-born liars anyway.
The last thing they care about is the truth.
All she wanted was voucher program, $6,300.
You're out of luck.
You're out of Medicare.
Shred Medicare.
You're dead.
Republicans killed.
And she got that out.
Doesn't matter what Wolf said.
Now, I'm summarizing the email.
Now, first, nobody heard it on CNN because literally nobody's watching CNN.
So now a lot of people have heard it.
And the people in this audience who've heard it, truth matters to them.
But it is an interesting pregunta.
Propaganda versus truth, which wins?
Well, what was Hitler more concerned with?
Propaganda.
Did Hitler succeed for a time?
Yeah, I did.
What was Clinton more concerned with?
Truth or propaganda?
What's Obama more concerned with?
Truth or propaganda?
Who would you say is winning?
Is propaganda winning or truth-winning?
We, the virtuous ones in our society, we think truth wins.
We have this investment in the truth.
We think it's holy.
We think that it is profound and we think it's persuasive.
I play you three minutes of Wolf Blitzer cleaning Debbie's clock.
And I get an email.
No, no, Rush, Ryan Shreds Medicare was said, I don't know how many times.
That's what people are going to hear because the fear will always trump the good because people react to fear.
Okay, then we're sunk.
How do you fight propaganda?
You got to turn into a propagandist yourself.
And you got to abandon the truth.
Some of us don't know how to do that.
Not believably.
Not consistent.
Let's grab Irene here, Southern California.
Go to the phones.
Irene, thanks for calling.
Great to have you here.
Hi, Rush.
I love you.
Thank you for the great service that you're doing to our country.
Well, I appreciate that very much.
Thank you.
On the Ryan Medicare issue, it's what they're not getting out there very, well, I've heard it, but what needs to be out there is that the under 55 and the either keep Medicare or use the voucher is the same program that the Washington federal employees get.
Why would it be important to have that out there?
What does that matter?
Well, because there was such an uproar years ago, before Obamacare was enacted, that people wanted the same program that Washington got, and that's what Paul Ryan is delivering.
You think that's a good way to sell this?
By the way, if you're in Medicare, if you're under 55, you're going to be able to choose the same program federal workers have.
I think so, because I think that was a big concern amongst younger people.
Why can't we have the same program you have?
Well, I never thought that.
I don't want anything to do with the federal government.
But you may have a point.
You may have a point.
I don't know if it sells or not.
I'm too caught up in the truth.
And I don't know that that's actually correct, but I'm going to find out.
I'm going to look into it.
I've never heard it characterized that way.
By the way, folks, I just took that break here and looked it up, but Irene is exactly right.
And Ryan has pitched his plan that way.
It is what federal employees get.
The New York Times has said so.
April of last year.
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