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Nov. 3, 2011 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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November 3, 2011, Thursday, Hour #3
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Well, we got breaking news about Herman Kane from Pajamas Media, the latest edition to the story.
Some people think that it's the nail in the coffin.
I don't as I read it.
But that's just me.
I have it here.
I'll share it with you from front to back in mere moments here on the EIB Network.
Great to have you back.
Telephone numbers 800 28282, the email address L Rushbow at EIBNet.com.
First is a story from Fox News.
Acorn officials are scrambling, firing workers and shredding documents after they have been exposed as players in the in the Occupy Wall Street protests.
Officials with the revamped Acorn Orifice in New York, operating as New York communities for change, have fired staff, shredded reams of documents, and told workers to blame disgruntled exemployees for leaking information in an effort to explain away a Fox News.com report last week on the group's involvement in Occupy Wall Street protests.
New York Communities for Change, i.e.
Acorn, also is installing surveillance cameras and recording devices at its Brooklyn orifices, removing or packing away supplies bearing the name Acorn and handing out photos of Fox News staff with a stern warning not to talk to the media.
They're doing serious damage control right now, said a New York communities for change source.
So they don't want it known that they're involved in this.
Acorn doesn't.
Two staffers were fired after New York Communities for Change officials suspected them as the source of the leaks.
One was fired the day the story came out last week.
Another was fired on Friday, told everybody that they were fired because they talked to you.
Meaning Fox News.
Not surprising, is it?
Acorn would be involved in Occupy Wall Street.
Not to me, because I don't have any doubt that this is from the White House from its outset.
This has been an Obama plan Obama campaign, even as far as now the violence that was ratcheted up in Oakland, California.
It's all part of plan.
It's all Obama's got.
That's it, pure and simple.
Cool.
Now to this Pajamas Media story on Herman Cain.
Breaking news.
Pajamas Media sources report details of alleged Cain incident.
Stick with me on this.
Adding to the ongoing Herman Cain sexual harassment controversy, two sources have now confirmed to PJ Media that a female employee of the National Restaurant Association told associates that she had been brought by Mr. Cain to his Crystal City, Virginia residence, where she alleged he had taken advantage of me, quote unquote.
Both sources claim to be politically conservative.
One source, a male, told PJ Media the following.
Herman Cain took advantage of seniority in power with a young woman.
It was an abuse of power.
Implying that coming forward with the accusations was an ordeal for the young woman, the source added.
Who do you believe?
A CEO or a mid-level staffer like this woman.
It was unsettling for her to make charges.
Stick with me on this now.
The name of the woman who was in her early 20s at the time of the alleged incident has been confirmed by PJ Media.
We have chosen not to reveal her identity for reasons of discretion.
Both sources, one male and one female, worked at the time, the mid-90s, for the governmental affairs department of the National Restaurant Association, as did the woman.
According to the female conservative source Herman Kane and the woman had been with a large group for a long evening of food and drink at the Chow Baby Kuchina, a restaurant near NRA headquarters, downtown D.C. It's a normal routine as the trade association worked with the food and beverage industry.
Afterwards, Mr. Kane allegedly.
Took the woman by taxi to his apartment where she spent the night and woke up.
At least she woke up.
Stick with me on this.
Note the word allegedly here.
This is breaking news.
This was a normal routine.
Everybody in the office went out to dinner and adult beverages.
Afterwards, Mr. Kane allegedly took the woman by taxi to his apartment where she spent the night and woke up.
The female conservative source told PJ Media that she witnessed the woman and Herman Cain break away from the large group as part of a smaller group.
Neither source has direct knowledge of what occurred in current in Kane's residence.
Neither source has direct knowledge of what occurred at Mr. Kane's residence, except that she woke up alive.
Several days after the alleged incident, the female source witnessed the woman returning to her workplace distraught.
She was very upset.
Several days after the alleged incident.
Now again here, the alleged incident is the big group goes to dinner.
Cain and the woman break off from the group.
They go by taxi to Kane's apartment in Crystal City.
She wakes up the next morning alive.
Then days later, she is distraught.
Allegedly.
One source told PJ Media some people didn't believe the accuser at the time she made the allegation.
We don't know, and this story doesn't say what the allegation was.
The female conservative source recalls the woman continued working at the restaurant association for several weeks after the encounter.
The male source recalls the woman continued working there for a few months.
Both sources claim that during this period following the incident while the woman was still employed, the human resources office held many closed door meetings that included her.
The woman's parents retained legal counsel and arranged an undisclosed financial settlement.
Today, the restaurant association is expected to meet with the attorney Joel Bennett, who represents one of the women who've made claims against Kane.
Bennett said, or has stated he wants the NRA to terminate a confidentiality provision which bars his client from revealing the grounds for the settlement.
Says the NRA ought to waive the confidentiality and non-disparagement provisions and let the two women, if they choose to do so, come forward and tell their stories.
So that it can get a complete public airing.
Mr. Kane has steadfastly denied that he harassed any female employees, the association when he was president.
He originally said any allegations of stick with me on this, folks.
This is a little dry here, but hang in there, be tough.
Corrections.
A previous version of this story mentioned that a source witnessed Kane and the woman entering a taxi together.
That was incorrect.
The previous version also mentioned that the woman awoke in Cain's bed.
The source only claimed that the woman awoke in Cain's apartment.
The previous version incorrectly attributed comments from one source to the other source.
And one of the most interesting details of the piece is this.
The anonymous sources admit that some people didn't believe her at the time.
So they didn't see them leave in a taxi, even if they did.
They didn't see it.
That's a correction.
So how do they know where the taxi took them?
They also, nobody knows what happened in Kane's apartment other than she woke up alive.
And we know that she woke Up alive because she went into the office later.
And she continued to go into the office for months.
I don't know what kind of reporting this is.
Whatever did or did not happen, this is pretty shoddy still.
And what's happening now is everybody wants to be the one that gets the final details on this.
Everybody's trying to be first.
Everybody's trying to be the source or the publication of the website, what have you, that finally nails all of this down.
They want to be the ones to break this wide open.
So we get things like this.
There still, we we do not know, and nobody knows things that are being reported and said.
At some point, we are gonna know all of this.
I am confident and convinced that the details of all this at some point will come out.
I don't know if this is true or not, is my point.
There's nothing in here yet that uh would convince me that this is true.
It's it's it's too open-ended, and he's correct.
I mean, a big part of the story.
Cain and the woman get in a taxi, go to his place.
Uh-uh- uh, correction.
No, no, no, no, no.
A previous version of the story mentioned that a source witnessed Kane and a woman entering a taxi together.
That was incorrect.
Well, that's pretty big.
So if they didn't see them entering the taxi together, then somebody doesn't actually know where they went.
Apparently, the woman's uh claims about where they went are are the uh evidence here.
Now, common parlance, common parlance in discussions like this, when the terminology taking advantage of is used.
Today's standards that means rape.
Now, the politico and the AP and the New York Times, who've been in touch with the lawyers, would never have left this as simply sex harassment.
If there was rape involved here, if they thought that there is rape had taken place, that word would have popped up by now.
Instead, don't forget in the original political report, there were gestures that were not overtly sexual that led to a sexual harassment claim.
I don't pretend to understand that.
Cain has also claimed that he was cleared by the NRA's investigation.
Thank you.
Why isn't the news media demanding to see their investigation?
They want the confidentiality provisions lifted, but they don't seem to be interested in seeing the results of the investigation.
So we've got gestures and innuendo, and we thought we saw him getting a cab, but no, nobody actually saw that.
That's a long way from took advantage of me.
Look, folks, I I don't misunderstand me here.
All I'm telling you is I don't have the slightest idea what's happened here, and nothing I have read anywhere has told me what happened.
Am I wrong?
Is there somebody else's is somebody out there you've read or or heard or seen something, and you know what happened, and I'm missing it.
Do you know what happened, Snurley?
I think anybody knows what happened.
So I guess the fact that both sources claim to be politically conservative is supposed to add credibility to the sources.
Pajamas Media is a uh, I guess an acknowledged conservative site.
Anyway, that's the latest.
That's uh the latest that we have.
This is this is the latest that has people buzzing about it.
So I just I wanted to share it with you.
I became aware of it during the break at the top of the hour.
Here's Kevin, Destin, Florida.
Kevin, thank you for waiting.
Great to have you on the program.
Hey, Rush, it's a pleasure to finally get on your show.
Two years of dialing, sometimes a couple hours a day, man.
Thanks a lot for finally.
I appreciate your effort.
I am I'm I'm uh I'm impressed with your effort and I appreciate it.
It takes persistence, that's for sure.
Yeah, I know.
I know well.
I I was a caller in uh in the previous days.
Yeah.
Hey, listen, I'm calling I'm calling you from Defton, Florida, up here in the panhandle of Florida.
Right.
And uh I I I've got to tell you something.
There's something I think, Rush, that the entire media, including yourself, I might add, is missing uh with the Herman Kane fiasco.
And this and that's this.
Herman Kane, in my opinion, the story is not the alleged, you know, sexual, you know, uh uh uh uh uh sexual what do you call it?
Harassment.
Yeah, harassment.
That's not the story here.
The story to me is I met Herman Kane, just to backtrack a little bit.
I met Herman Kane about four months ago down in Naples, Florida.
I had a chance to engage him one-on-one personally, and I asked him point blank uh questions.
And I even put this on my blog, and I and I had the video of it because the local news covered it, and what was ironic about it's on catchkevin.com.
I put it up on the blog if you want to see it.
What I found interesting about this was the fact that when I engaged him personally, something told me right then and there, Rush, that this man lacks presidential prowess, he lacks the intellect to be the president, but that's not the story here.
The story here is what this speaks to is his inability to handle what should have been nothing more than a mole, uh uh uh a mole-sized crisis, Herman Cain himself by allowing himself to be interrogated by Greta Van Suster and the rest of the media pundits.
All he's doing is validating, you know, the the story, and he's demeaning himself and bringing himself down to the level uh uh uh uh you know of the of the dogs out here that are trying to.
So what should he have done?
Just blown them all off and said no interviews?
No, Rush.
He knew ten days prior.
He knew ten days prior that this could be a story.
All he had to do was call a press conference and say, listen, here's the deal.
Here's what happened.
It was it was dismissed.
All is said and done.
I'll give you 30, 40 minutes for that matter, but when this is done, this is done.
What that tells me, Rush, I I'm a Herman Kane fan, but I'm rapidly losing interest in Herman Kane as our next GOP candidate as as as as the primary guy, because what this tells me is he does not have the ability to think on his feet, number one.
Number two, he doesn't know how to manage what's really a very small crisis.
Kevin.
He can't handle this.
How is he going to handle being in the lighthouse?
Kevin.
When he has a real crisis, yeah.
A, he was under a confidentiality agreement.
He can't divulge anything about this.
He said he didn't remember all of the details of this.
I think what we saw was a first-timer dealing with this, trying to be honest as he knew how to be.
I think he was trying to use his own level of morality in answering the questions here.
What you're saying is that he's not polished enough to do media stuff.
Therefore, he's not qualified to be president.
What should he have done?
Gone out and hired somebody to attack the women?
That's what Bill Clinton did.
And he's praised and loved and thought to be totally competent.
Should he have gone out and hired somebody to handle bimbo eruptions for other women that came forward and go out and destroy them like Bill Clinton did, because Bill Clinton is the acknowledged expert, Kevin, and the most qualified person ever to be president.
That's a contest with Obama.
I talked about this in the first hour of the of the program.
And there's a way to do all this that apparently everybody approves of and says, there's our president.
And that leaves some semen on a blue dress and get the woman blamed for it.
All right, let me let me step in here as an adult and try to make some sense out of all this.
Because apparently that's very difficult for others to do.
We just have this last caller.
Man, I'm a dumb guy, doesn't have the intellectual capability.
I'm still supporting him.
I just don't think he's got the Rush, he had 10 days.
He had 10 days to prepare the politico gave him ten days.
That is apparently now the line that's out there.
Herman Cain had ten days.
The way I see this, and I haven't made a choice for president, and I don't know what happened here.
I am just reacting like all of you to this rat tet machine gun type release of news.
It seems to me that Herman Cain is caught between two impossible tasks.
He's running for president and he has to say something, but there is a legal arrangement sealing the agreement, which prevents him from knowing the details of what transpired outside of what he actually recalls.
He hasn't seen it.
What would ten days have bought him?
He's not allowed to see this.
The investigation was done outside his knowledge for legal purposes.
The agreement is sealed.
The woman got 35 or 45,000.
Now, I think if somebody's raped, they don't settle for 35 or 45,000, even back in the 90s.
But that's just me.
He didn't have the agreement.
The agreements under seal by agreement of the association and the accuser.
His campaign said that they asked Politico for specifics of the allegations and more information, but Politico provided none.
And we've played soundbites of our old buddy here, Jonathan Martin, out there saying, OK, we put the story out, now it's up to Herman Cain to explain it.
Thank you.
I don't understand that.
Why didn't it up to the accuser to explain things?
So whether he had 10 days or a hundred days, the information he didn't have wouldn't have changed.
And he didn't have it.
But he is running for president.
And he can't just leave it at that.
So he said what he remembered about the allegation.
He added to it as he recalled more about it, which is many years ago.
And people think that he didn't actually casually remember this.
They think he's goofing up in telling people what he remembered.
They think he's trying to explain as little as he can.
That isn't working, so he add something to it every day when it could well be that he is remembering stuff.
I doubt this was on his radar at all before this all hit on Sunday night.
So now this is being almost universally proclaimed out there as being a demonstration of incompetence.
But I don't know what he can do when he doesn't have the agreement and when he's under seal.
And when there is a confidentiality agreement that says it can't be discussed.
So he's out there, he sends his guy out there to attack the Perry campaign.
There's no evidence for that.
And I don't know who leaked this.
And as I said at the program started, I don't even think that matters unless it isn't true.
If it is true, who cares in the end who leaked it?
Really, folks, it's going to come out anyway, so what does it matter?
You might want to say, well, Rush, that's the 11th commandment of Reagan.
Republicans don't tackle their oh, give me a break.
This is big leagues.
This is primary season in a Republican presidential nomination process.
You don't think these guys are going to do this kind of stuff to each other.
It's crazy.
It happens intra-party all the time.
Now, what he has said, again, is that he doesn't have all the information.
He's legally prevented from getting it.
He had recused himself from any investigation.
He was not a party to the settlement.
And it all happened in the mid-90s or late 90s or something.
Every one of the uh presidential candidates are now getting isolated with the intention of destroying at best their reputations with hair trigger scrutiny.
yet every one, every one of these candidates of ours is superior and of greater substance than the lightweight in the White House sitting there today, who can barely read the return address on an envelope, and none of them have sealed their education records like he has.
Herman Cain's not trying to deny where he was educated.
We got all kinds of people from Herman Cain's past coming up.
Yeah, I knew Herman.
I didn't like Herman, I did like Herman.
There is nobody from Obama's past that comes forward.
Yeah, I knew Obama.
We haven't heard from any old girlfriends.
We are we are witnessing here the attempt that appears to be pretty successful to take out every Republican candidate with this story.
When you get right down to it.
And that is starting to irritate me profoundly.
Every one of them now is in the crosshairs.
Now let's talk about this attorney, this Joel Bennett, who represents one of the one of the women, who claimed that Herman Cain mistreated her.
He doesn't have a copy of the agreement, the woman signed with the association.
He said, I haven't seen a copy of the agreement in 12 years, yet he's out there blabbing off like he knows everything that happened.
He hadn't seen the agreement.
He said he hopes to get a copy of the agreement from the National Restaurant Association.
His client has asked him to stop giving interviews, and yet he's still giving interviews.
Now, what lawyer worth his salt wouldn't have gotten a copy of the frigging agreement by now.
And this is the same tidbit the Washington Post had yesterday that they deleted from their story that was on the website.
This guy's a Clintonista, by the way, this Joel Bennett guy.
Second, if his client asked him to stop giving interviews, why is he everywhere hyping the story?
Because that's what happened.
Now there's a Forbes magazine piece on this.
As for the story itself, Kane campaign officials complain Politico's piece was an ambush when Politico's Martin, Jonathan Martin, contacted Kane, campaign spokesman J.D. Gordon late in the day on October 19th.
Gordon said that Martin didn't supply any details or documents that would allow the campaign to evaluate the claims.
And this goes to the 10-day business.
Okay, politico says, We got you, bud.
You got 10 days to respond.
You got me on what?
Uh-huh.
We don't have anything.
We're not going to show you anything.
But you got 10 days.
Sexual harassment.
There were no names.
There were no locations, no exact descriptions of what Kane is alleged to have said or done, and there still aren't.
Best I know.
Does anybody sitting here right now know what he did.
Obama had 20 years to respond to Reverend Wright, and all he could come up with was I wasn't listening.
Bill Ayers?
No.
I didn't start my campaign.
It was this is some some local weed in the neighborhood.
Wrong.
He started his political career in Bill Ayres living room.
Now, Gordon, the Cain campaign spokesman, this is from Forbes.
Gordon and the campaign say they couldn't respond because they had no idea what they were responding to.
Gordon even begged the politico editor-in-chief John Harris to send him copies of any documents with the names blacked out, and Harris refused to do that.
What we have here, we've got shoddy reporting from the politico and this pajamas media.
I hate saying this.
I really hate saying this, but this is shoddy.
They report that Cain and the woman got in a cab together, and then they have to nope, nope, sorry, nobody saw that.
Well, yeah, a couple days later they say that, issue the correction.
Cain and the woman went to Kane's Crystal City apartment where she spent the night and woke up alive.
And originally said in his bed, then they had to correct that.
Nobody, nobody knows what he did.
We know everything Bill Clinton did, including lying about it to a grand jury.
We know everything Ted Kennedy did.
We know everything John Edwards did.
They are heroes.
We know everything Elliott Spitzer did.
He got a TV show.
We don't know what Herman Cain did, and they're telling us, even people on our side, he's letting me down.
I don't think it's presidential.
He doesn't know how to handle this.
Bill Clinton does.
John Edwards does.
Ted Kennedy knew how to handle it.
That's what that our model.
We still don't know what he did or didn't do.
And that's the only reason I am withholding any judgment on any of this.
And gosh, I would I would think that anybody with half a brain would be waiting to find out some specifics here.
I have to take a brief time out here, folks.
You um you you sit tight.
We've got a few minutes left in the program.
I'll try to squeeze a couple of phone calls in on this.
You'd be back in just a second.
Don't go away.
Okay, this next is gonna get me in trouble, but what am I here for?
I remember back in these heady days of the Feminazis drumming up this whole sexual harassment business as a political tool, and I distinctly remember hearing that it needed to be a pattern of powerful abuse of underlings.
I don't see a pattern here.
Also from the Forbes piece, the Cain campaign, and even Cain himself begged the restaurant association to at least apply some details.
And the association refused.
Why couldn't it be this?
Since nobody really knows any we don't know the names of Obama's girlfriends.
We don't know the names of women before he met Michelle.
We have a lost decade of this man's life despite his own self-serving autobiographies, and yet nobody's interested in any of that.
We were fed a totally BS story about this guy being a Messiah, hoping change and all that rot gut.
Look where that got us.
Meanwhile, isn't it possible that Herman Cain is just an innocent, honest guy trying to answer these questions as best he can with the limited knowledge that he's got.
I remember when this stuff all came up.
We were told women never lie about this stuff.
Remember that too?
Women never lie about it.
And how many instances are there of women making it up?
We were told children never lie about it, but they do too.
I remember a police officer.
He was accused of abusing a 16-year-old girl, raping her, smearing feces on her.
Her name was Tawana Brawley.
Today, Al Sharpton, who was her agent and spreading her story has a show on MSNBC and has a charity that every leftist bows down and gives money to.
And I don't think is ever apologized for the false allegations involved.
And look what happened to the cop in that case.
Now all I'm saying is we don't know anything.
In fact, everyone who's gone on record, meaning used their name, except the pollster, this guy in Oklahoma, or that was on the radio in Oklahoma.
This guy, Chris, whatever his name is, Anderson.
Everybody who's gone on record and used their name except that Pulster have all said they couldn't imagine Herman Cain doing such things.
And then they're saying, yeah, well, where's the wife, Ben?
You know, it's a first telltale sign.
A wife is never around.
Is that true?
Is that true?
This is so many unanswered questions.
There's so many versions of this story.
How about this?
Let me just throw another one out.
This makes as much sense as anything else based on what we know.
The woman has a little too much to drink.
Herman Cain's a God-fearing Christian man.
He respects her.
He takes her home to his place to sleep it off.
She wakes up the next day, tells people what happens.
Some people say, you know, you could score some big bucks out of this.
She tries it.
She gets 35 grand, gets ticked off, and it's not enough.
Rush, how could you say such thing?
How can anybody say what they're saying?
I don't know any more than anybody else does.
Why couldn't that version be applicable here?
Well, because Rush women don't lie about these things, and there was a payoff.
Talk to any lawyer who will tell you much cheaper to pay somebody 35 grand and to go to litigation.
And you don't only get 35 grand if you were raped and can prove it.
So my version, just as possible as anything else here.
I'm not saying that's what happened.
I don't know.
That's all I'm saying.
Nobody else does either.
So once again, strip all this down, and what is happening right in front of our eyes, right before our very eyes.
Every one of the Republican presidential candidates are now getting isolated with the intention of destroying their reputations with hair trigger scrutiny.
This is about all of them, folks.
Romney, Cain, all these people.
Yet every one of these Republican presidential candidates is superior and has far greater substance than the lightweight that's in the White House, the Oval Office today.
None of these candidates have sealed their educational records as Obama has.
We're trying to get to the bottom of this.
What happened with Herman Cain?
Who are these people?
Where's that level of curiosity about Obama?
The people in his past that we do know about, the media's tried to cover up, say it wasn't important or he wasn't listening.
In the case of Jeremiah Wright, it didn't happen.
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