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Oct. 11, 2011 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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October 11, 2011, Tuesday, Hour #2
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Okay, back we are Rush Limbaugh, having more fun than a human being should be allowed to have.
Great to have you here.
Telephone number if you want to be on the program is 800 28282.
The email address L Rushbow at EIB net.com.
According to Fox News and Carl Cameron, Chris Christie gonna go up to Dartmouth tonight and endorse Mitt Romney.
Now this fits with uh a theory that I have that the White House might be afraid that Romney's gonna wrap this up too early, and they want they're trying for their own operation chaos.
I'm still here here's my problem, folks.
I have heard from a reputable people that the White House is eager to run against Romney.
I've also heard that they'd prefer to run against Perry.
Now leaking the fact that Romney advisors helped Obama advisors, including a meeting where Obama was in the Oval Office.
Implement Obamacare is clearly designed to damage uh Romney.
There's no question about it.
I do know that the Republican establishment is uh is desperate for Romney to be the nominee and to have this wrapped up as soon as possible.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is one of the reasons why Christie's going up there to Darkness to endorse Romney today.
This is that they're doing everything they can to make sure.
You know, Bachman, Santorum, they're they're they're not they're in it not in the top tier now, but they want to make sure they stay there.
The Perry is uh is the only genuine conservative threat to Romney, and this is an effort to um to take him out.
You got Herman Cain, who is going to be promoted, talked up, because if Herman Cain supplants Perry, the thinking is Hermann Kane doesn't have anywhere near the organization or the money to compete with Romney.
Nobody does really, uh, in uh in terms of uh of money.
So, you know, I I the the the White House uh might be worried that Romney will wrap this thing up too soon, uh maybe trying to set up their own version of Operation Chaos with this leak.
And make no mistake, folks, make no mistake.
Operation Chaos rattled them in the Democrat Party.
You remember what Operation Chaos was.
If you are new to the program, let me remind you, or tell you, if you are a veteran, let me remind you.
Operation Chaos, when it looked like Obama in the spring of 2008, was gonna wrap this up.
The nomination of the Democrat Party.
I wasn't really even thinking about politics so much here.
That was secondary.
I was okay, we need this thing to stay alive.
We need this Democrat nomination to stay alive.
We need to make sure that Hillary doesn't get wiped out here too soon.
We need ongoing chaos.
So I, L. Rushbow, suggested that people in upcoming primary states, Republicans, re-register as Democrats and vote for Hillary.
In the Democrat primary against Obama in Indiana, and uh and it worked.
And it was designed to see to it that they bloodied each other for more many more months than would have happened.
Obama was not being beat up.
Obama was the one.
He was the Messiah.
The media was kid gloves.
Hillary was sitting there standing there stunned.
I mean, she was the fate accompli.
Is was hers.
She had lived all those years in the swamps, Arkansas.
She had given up her whole life to make sure Bill Clinton got somewhere, even though she took over when he got there.
It was her turn.
It was payback.
And then the good old boys network got together and said, Oh, okay, here comes a well-spoken clean black guy.
He's our guy.
The hell would Hillary.
And once again, women took it on the Chin, disrespected by the Democrat Party, which claims like they do with every group that supports them to have their best interests at heart.
So it was the objective of Operation Chaos to keep that race going as long as possible so that Hillary would stay in it, continue to fight for it, and the process bloody up Obama, about whom no negatives were being reported, written or said.
Ergo.
That, folks, I'm telling you, because the Democrat Party, they talked about it while it was going on.
They continue to reference it now and then, and it shook them up.
They have no doubt that it worked.
It did work.
There were news stories about increasing Democrat voter registration.
And they were shocked.
What's happening here?
More and more people are registering as Democrats on the eve of the primary.
And all these yokels in the media said, what the hell is happening here?
And they started looking into it, and they discovered Operation Chaos.
And then they flipped Whig.
They had it.
So what I'm thinking is that leaking this story to Isakoff, that Romney's advisors had three visits to the White House to advise Obama's people on how to implement Obamacare as Romney had implemented Romney care.
In one of those meetings, Obama was present for the meeting with Romney's advisors.
You have to conclude from this that the White House is trying to undercut Romney here.
Now they they all know, let me just be as blunt as I can.
Everybody in the establishment, the Republican establishment and the Democrat establishment, everybody in both establishments thinks that Romney is the nominee.
And they have thought this for a while.
They think nobody can beat Romney, and the reason they think this is Romney's money.
And he's had seasoning now.
He knows how to do well in debates.
He's mastered the whole presence, smoothness, competent-looking characteristics that one needs in these debates.
And he is standing head and shoulders above all the others just in terms of debate performance.
Even before you get to substance.
But they don't want him to win it this soon.
Obviously, this leak is now.
If they had their druthers at the White House, I think they would prefer to run against Perry.
As cockeyed as they are, they think that Perry would present them a bigger problem than Romney.
They think Romney is beatable.
And they think Romney's beatable because Romney's not conservative.
They think Romney's beatable because of Romney care, frankly.
They think, in fact, they think it's going to be slam dunk over Romney.
They think they have the ammunition to totally deflate and dispirit Republican voters and keep them home.
And it's with stories like this.
Romney advisors helped the White House draft health care reform.
Leaked to Michael Isakoff at NBC News, which shows up on the Atlantic Wire.
So if that becomes the main thing the Republican nominee is known for, that his advisors helped Obama draft Obamacare legislation.
They are figuring in the White House that's all they need.
Romney's toast.
Hence the leak.
And now we've learned from Carl Cameron and Fox that Chris Christie, the governor of New Jersey, is on the way to Dartmouth.
He'll be there tonight, express purpose of endorsing Romney.
And once again, what we have here is the GOP establishment establishing its bona fides.
Well, not bona fies.
Well, letting us know where they are.
It is them against the conservatives.
The conservatives are Perry, Santorum, Kane, and Bachman.
And they are trying to wrap this up soon.
So it appears the White House is trying to create problems for Romney to slow it down.
And it's understandable using the Operation Chaos blueprint.
Slow it down, keep the chaos surrounding Romney, keep the fight alive, make Romney get bloodied up a little bit in this whole process.
And then in doing that, you weaken Romney.
To them, Romney's Wall Street.
They can say you can see that you can see the ad now.
You can see the billboards.
Very simple.
Romney equals Wall Street Greed.
Romney was Bain Capitol.
Which is a classic Wall Street firm.
I think it was a hedge fund.
But regardless, it's a classic Wall Street firm.
So White House wants Romney because there are two ways they think that they can easily defeat him Wall Street and Healthcare.
So between Romney care, which the right hates and which he will not disavow, he will not distance himself from it.
Between Romney Care and Wall Street, which the left hates, the White House thinks Romney will be their easiest target.
It's clear that uh that's what's shaking out here.
Sending Christie up to officially endorse Romney is the establishment of the Republican Party also signaling they want this over.
They want this finished, they want they want it buttoned down.
They don't they don't have to go through the primary process.
They they want to force people out.
They want Bachman to quit, they want Santorum to quit, they want Cain to get out of here.
Well, he's not going to for a while.
They want Perry to finally throw in the towel.
They want everybody to realize they don't have a prayer.
It's Romney.
Quick timeout.
We'll come back.
And I think it's time to start including your phone calls in all this, so be ready.
And we are back.
Got an audio soundbite.
This is Obama this afternoon in Pittsburgh.
He's at the IBEW Local No.
5, number 29 is the soundbite number mic, as of the uh IBEW International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Training Center.
And here is what he said about the jobs bill.
The American Jobs Act that I'm putting forward obviously contains many ideas like infrastructure investment that should be pretty straightforward.
And our hope is that we're able to get those passed in the next couple of months.
But we're not going to wait for Congress.
So my instruction to Jeff and Gene and Valerie and all the advisors who are sitting around the table is scour this report.
Identify all those areas in which we can act administratively without additional congressional authorization.
And just get it done.
Anything that's within our authority to do as an administration, we start doing immediately, and we don't wait for Congress.
As Obama convened a meeting of his uh Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.
I uh I've told Jeff and Gene and Valerie, all the other advisors are sitting around the table, have at it.
We're gonna we're gonna wait for Congress.
We're just gonna implement this jobs bill however we can.
Speaking to a union audience, very people he wants to funnel the money to.
These are the people who are gonna get the money.
There is no jobs.
There are no jobs.
It's a tax bill.
It's money laundering.
These are the people that are going to get the money, and they will turn around and send some of it back to Obama to run his campaign.
Now, if he had the administrative power to create jobs without Congress, why is he waiting until now to order his staff to act?
I mean just playing this under a hypothetical tent.
If he has the administrative power to create jobs without Congress, why wait?
Why didn't he do this the first month of the regime?
But beyond that, I mean, here the president openly with cameras and microphones in the room, basically saying, I may as well be Hugo Chavez.
I don't care.
If the Congress won't act, I'm gonna get the money to you anyway.
He's saying that to his union audience.
I don't care.
Why why why didn't you just cut out the middleman?
That's what he's talking.
Congress is the middleman here.
Just cut out the middleman and just order his staff to send the money to Obama 2012 campaign.
Why even mess with that?
Just take this money and put it right into his campaign coffers.
Why even mess with sending it out to the unions first from the in under the guise of having a jobs bill.
Now, here's what I want to know.
Again, under this hypothetical tent that we're playing here, based on what he says.
Where's the money come from?
He has the administrative authority to create jobs without Congress.
That's what he just said here.
He's told his staff to go out there and find it.
Where is the money going to come from?
Now.
Well, maybe some unspent stimulus, but but uh uh maybe unspent tarp.
But I don't even think he cares about that.
Just authorize it.
Now, here's another thing, folks.
Now uh this this is important.
Those of us who care about the Constitution.
This jobs bill is new money.
It can't start in the Senate.
Supposed to start in the House of Representatives.
New money.
Legislation has to start in the House, and this is starting in the Senate.
Now there may be some legislative games he can play by taking a dormant House bill that Reed will then attach this to, because I'm sure there's some legislation that's floating around that's nothing is happening on.
And Reed can simply take that and add this to it as an amendment, but they are circumventing the Constitution.
New money, new spending cannot originate in the Senate, which is where Obama's jobs bill is.
And it's the only place that it is.
So we have a lawless regime here acting outside the Constitution, and then furthermore, in front of cameras and microphones, instructing his advisors, ECW Congress, if they won't do anything, we're just gonna find a way to get this money to the unions and whoever is going to get it without Congress.
We're not gonna wait for them.
Anything that's within our authority to do as an administration, we start doing immediately and we don't wait for Congress, and he's got his staff looking for ways to do that now.
That's who this guy is, and that's what everybody's up against.
And if we don't have a Republican leadership that's willing to deal with people like this, uh he's gonna get away with it.
There ain't gonna be anybody to stop him.
Go to the phones.
We'll start with Bridget Springfield, Missouri.
Hi, Bridget, I'm glad you waited.
Welcome to the EIB network.
Hi.
Hello, Rush.
It's wonderful to talk to you.
Thank you very much.
I appreciate that.
Uh last hour you analyze the strategy of the Republican establishment that they want Romney and they want to wrap it up early.
Yep, that's pretty obvious to me.
My question then to you is, with this election coming up being the most critical in decades, maybe ever.
Are you going to do something about the Republican establishment strategy?
Yeah.
Um would you help me out here?
Yes.
As a as a loyal longtime listener.
Would you tell me what you and I'm serious.
Now don't I'm d don't misunderstand the tone in my voice that I don't mean to use, or I'm just I'm genuinely curious.
Your listener, what would you hope to hear me say or do uh within this context?
I've thought about it.
I was thinking about it again, waiting to be on the air.
And we have to have a real conservative.
I understand, but what what do you want?
Why do I want you to do that?
You have you you have hopes and expectations of me.
I'm asking you what they are.
I would like for you to meet with the conservative candidates, those who are will genuinely, if elected, roll back the horrible things Obama has done to this country.
I do not believe Romney will do that.
I think he'll Sit in place.
Okay.
We'll go the progressive direction just more slowly.
Right.
Okay.
Now, I'm I'm only interrupting you because of the constraints of time.
You want me to meet with the conservative candidates, but then what?
Pick one.
Pick one.
Put your full support behind him.
I don't think it'll be Bachman.
I like her, but I don't think it'll be her.
Um, whoever you pick, you bet them.
You look them straight in the eye, you ask them if they have skeletons, a la Clinton scandal.
When you determine that person does not have that sort of thing, then you back them to the hilt, and you talk to others in the conservative movement, and they back them to the hilt.
How much time do I have for this?
I don't think you have very long because of what you just reported while I was sitting waiting on hold.
Well, you just let me tell you something.
I ran, I saw a fascinating gallop poll from October of 2007 this morning.
Now hear me out on this.
I didn't print it out, I don't have it right in front of me.
But it was a Gallup poll October 2007.
And the point of the poll was how it was over for McCain in October of 2007.
Now here we are in October of 2011, a year before, and it is assumed that it's Romney.
And this poll was all about how, and McCain was in third place in this poll.
A year out from the election.
And the Gallup poll was it's over for McCain.
He doesn't have a prayer.
Let me uh let me let me print that out and give you more details on it.
Thanks for the call, Bridget.
We'll be right back.
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One more thing here.
Um the White House knows that if Republican voter enthusiasm is suppressed, then the one has a chance.
And they rightly conclude that Romney might depress or suppress Republican enthusiasm.
Now the GOP establishment, their thinking is that Romney is electable in a general.
But the base, the Republican base is not jazzed.
Turnout is obviously turnout's going to be crucial.
Now the woman from Springfield, Bridget Calls, wants me to meet with the Republican.
And by the way, I I keep leaving Newt out.
Newt is actually climbing in the polls.
Newt is actually getting stronger.
It's in double digits.
So you have you have Newt, you have uh Bachman, you have Santorum, you have Kane, and you have Perry.
Republican establishment doing everything it can to wipe them all out.
Christie going up there to darkness today to endorse Romney.
Now just as an aside, why would Governor Christie spend a year going back and forth publicly, privately, and on and on about whether he would run for president or not?
Only a week after saying no, run up to Romney's side.
Well, what's changed?
I mean, if in the past year you're thinking you might run, part of that is that whoever else is running in the answer.
If Romney is the obvious superior candidate, why go through the rigmarole of considering whether to run yourself for a whole year.
But you know the story's gonna be.
Look, it's already a headline on Drudge, Christy to endorse Romney.
That's gonna be a bigger story than what comes out of the debate tonight.
Christie's endorsement is already the story.
No matter what happens in the debate tonight, when it's all over, no matter who does what, the story, Christy endorses Romney.
Now, as to Bridget in Springfield, wants me to meet with the candidates and pick one, go public.
I wish it were that easy.
I mean, I could do that.
That is easy.
I mean, I wish putting somebody over the finish line was that easy.
I wish it were as easy as me saying, okay, I've decided it's X. From now on, that's who you vote for.
At the end of the day, it's up to Republican voters to make the difference.
Republican voters.
Now, if you think, I hope this isn't the case.
If you think a majority of Republican voters are going to wait around for an endorsement from me or anybody else before they decide who they're going to vote for.
Look at the polling data.
The polling data is one of the reasons that Romney's a little frightened out there.
If the voters of the Republican Party are given a chance here, if they're not able to close this out too soon, then it isn't going to be.
Open and shut, Romney.
But the sad and ugly truth here, I I must be honest.
Folks, in everything I do, particularly what I do for a living and how I do it.
The sad truth is that you are not my numbed robots.
You're not going to do what I say in in uniformity.
Yep.
Well, if I had been an enthusiastic supporter of McCain.
Are you asking me if if I had been 150% behind McCain from the get-go, he might have been elected president?
Is that what you're saying?
If I no.
I don't, I don't know.
I don't think there was any way McCain was going to beat Obama.
There is no way McCain's going to beat Obama because McCain wasn't running a race to beat Obama.
Well, McCain wasn't running a race to beat Obama.
He may not have he may not admit that, but when you're going to shut down any criticism of Obama, when you're going to shut down any questions of Obama, you're not serious about winning.
Well, I don't deal with those kinds of ifs.
What do you mean if McCain had been the type of candidate that I would get behind them?
He wasn't.
I I don't play.
Well, he's yeah, but he's McCain didn't lose because he didn't have me.
McCain lost because of who he was in that campaign.
Pure and simple.
Anyway, Stephen Ogden, Utah, welcome to the EIB network.
Hello.
Yes, uh, Russ, I appreciate uh you and your show.
Thank you very much, sir.
And uh and the uh the extension we were just talking about is uh is I I think it uh lends some credibility.
What I'm gonna say is that I think that basically the uh Wall Street protesters uh do have a legitimate claim, and on large part it's because of uh corporate greed and uh an extent the Republican Party basically is responsible for this because you know people are questioning capitalism today.
And uh the Republican Party, I'm talking about basically the uh GOP is the good old boy network.
Um, this is where you're you're so wrong.
I I don't know even where to begin with you.
You think corporate greed equals Republicans?
Well, I I guess can I explain what corporate greed is?
I would say that there has to be a distinction made between somebody like you, the entrepreneur, and a corporate executive who's basically a paid employee of the company that was founded by somebody.
What uh that that that's that's not the point.
My my point is that you're going to find more wealthy Democrat CEOs and chief financial officers than Republican.
Ninety percent of Wall Street money went to Obama.
Campaign contributions, 2008.
Okay, but that's the right.
90 percent, 90 percent of Wall Street Titans vote Democrat.
Right.
It is a myth.
It is a myth that Republicans equal big business greed and corporatism.
It's a myth.
Okay, well then both parties are responsible for the questioning of capitalism, and that is that the execs have the power and they realize that, and it's a good old boy.
No, they're not going to be able to do that.
What do you want what do you want to do instead of capitalism?
Oh no, I I believe in capitalism.
I think that the execs are not doing the responsible thing.
They're not uh using being ethical, and they're looting the system because they can.
They line each other's boards with with each other, and they say, well, I got to raise your pay because your pay's higher.
No, I'm gonna I'm gonna get more paid because of your pay.
Hold on a minute now.
So frustrating because I so want you to be right.
You realize it doesn't matter to anybody else's life what a what a CEO is paid.
Oh, it does, though.
It does not.
It has to do with the uh well, the employee is not a good thing.
It hasn't morale.
It has to do with it.
The way he works all this stuff.
It's got nothing to do with anything.
It does.
If you raise taxes on the rich to punish those people, it doesn't help anybody.
Well, that's what the greed people want.
The greed people are down there wanting an end to income inequality, and they want these corporate execs punished somehow.
They want their taxes raised.
That's not gonna help anybody.
No, but your income is deserved.
The corporate execs, the majority of the corporate executives is not deserved.
Have they gotten rid of the business cycle?
What are they doing?
How do you know the 60s were doing?
How do you know this?
It's a hundred times more.
How do you know the system?
Wait a second.
How do you know that CEO X running widget company Y is not worth what he's being paid?
How do you know that?
I I've lived under two execs rush that have proved that, and my company went to bankruptcy because of them.
They they came out with the golden parachute.
They didn't do anything to help the company out except line their pockets.
They worry about lining their pockets first, and then if they got time, then they'll worry about the company.
But that's that's been my experience.
I want to be a capitalist rush, but the guys, the good old boys control the network, and I up and I applaud the Tea Party and uh and what they're standing for, because I think they could actually get rid of the good old boy network.
Get rid of the lobbyists, get rid of all this connection and all this stuff, because that's what's killing capitalism.
You're not killing it.
You're great.
What is killing great the Democrat Party is killing capitalism.
The American left and socialism and Barack Obama are killing capitalism.
The capitalists are not killing capitalism.
Capitalism is not under assault by the capitalists.
Capitalism is under assault by the Democrat Party and Barack Obama and the worldwide American left.
If people outside of a company can tell people what to pay, that is not capitalism.
If you, as an employee want some say so and what your CEO makes, we're not talking capitalism.
We're talking something else.
You want that kind of control.
But what's frustrating is what you think you believe and what you think you know.
And every problem that you have listed, I could put you in charge of the fix, and you could do everything that you think needs to be fixed, and it wouldn't change your life at all.
Wouldn't give you a dime in additional income.
Wouldn't make a unless you are happy when you see other people being screwed.
But what is all this this is you are you are speaking in the most broad generalizations that I have heard.
So now all corporate execs are looters.
They all steal.
They are all part of the good old boy network.
No matter which business we're talking about, no matter what they produce, no matter what, all execs are corrupt, they do nothing but steal, they do nothing but rig the game for themselves.
Why can't you start thinking of the Democrat Party this way?
Because if you would, you would be more right than you know.
If anybody is rigging the game against the average American citizen, it is the Democrat Party and liberalism and socialism and the people who are in charge of it.
The people who are responsible for despondency among our population, the Democrat Party, the American left.
You ought to be supportive of the avenues and pathways that could lead to prosperity for you.
The Democrat Party is not it.
The American left is not it.
But these generalizations that you have bought into, I think you bought into them because they're easy.
It's easy to blame somebody else for what you think you don't have.
Anyway, I gotta take a break.
Sit tight, folks, don't go away.
We will be right back.
Just goes to show how easy class warfare is.
Just goes to show how easy it is to gin up hatred between the classes based on utter stupidity and lies.
The stupidity is is is unbelief.
Corporate executives work for corporate boards.
Corporate boards are responsible to shareholders.
Disgruntled employees make generalized comments like this because of their own situations.
We don't know what the circumstances are surrounding their disgruntlement.
We're just we're just left with platitudes and we're left with the usual predictable.
Every CEO is a crook.
Every company is crooked, and everybody at the top is making out like bandits while they ruin the company and furthermore, kill the customers with oil or drugs or whatever.
The choice is really not that complicated.
Choice between capitalism, which is the only system that respects and promotes individual liberty and rights, or a massive bloated government that dictates how you live.
And you start letting people like Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi run corporations, and your life isn't far behind.
Now our last caller was angry.
He had a grudge.
To change his mind about anything.
Because he's convinced that his life has been permanently harmed and damaged by CEOs and execs and lobbyists and so forth.
But it it it's it's nevertheless frustrating.
Because it's an ongoing process trying to educate people.
It shows you what we're up against.
The demagoguery and the brainwashing, class warfare is just easy to cement in people's minds.
And of course, the people being attacked never stand up and defend themselves.
They just won't.
They don't think there's anything in it for them to do that.
So they sit there and they uh and they shut up.
Here's Cynthia Chestertown, Maryland.
Hi, Cynthia.
Welcome to the EIB network.
Hello.
Oh, hi, Rush.
I've been one of your supporters for so long I can't count back that far, and my friends put Mrs. Limbaugh on my placecards, and when I go out to dinner.
And uh, I think you're gonna we might be having a problem here in our relationship because I have been to the AIB network college, and I look at things factually, and I believe there are two candidates in the Republican primary that have the business experience.
One is Herman Cain, the other's Mitt Romney.
I feel Mitt Romney has more global economic knowledge.
I would love to see a Romney Kane ticket.
I could accept it the other way around.
But I'm so distressed.
I for some reason I think you have Romney only, you know, half a point behind Obama in your hate.
And if anybody's gonna depress the Republican turnout, it's gonna be you because you've just decided that you don't want Mitt under any circumstances.
Oh no, no.
I'm not gonna re di r depress or suppress the Republican turn.
I'm not I'm not saying anything about Romney that isn't already known by most of them.
You talk to most of the people, the conservative base, uh Romney's not their number one choice.
Romney's the choice of the establishment.
He's not for a lot of people, he's not conservative.
He's not he will not he will not do enough to roll back of what the Obama agenda has been, is what a lot of people fear.
Well, I think they're wrong.
I knew a lot about Mitt when he was working in the Olympics, and I saw him work with the You the Olympic Committee, which is uh probably nobody has a bigger ego and a harder to work with than the members of the International Olympic Committee.
They're worse than the Senators, if you can believe that.
And he managed to turn that Olympics around and he listened to them and he smiled and he did everything right and they were doing everything wrong, and he ended up saving those Olympics financially.
And at this point, I you know, I know that he will do the right things for the United States economy, and I I feel that that's the key to everything.
We need someone who's gonna not just fix the economy, you've taught me this.
Not just fix the economy internally, but has to be global.
And I just don't see any of the candidates.
Just to assure you, if Romney is the nominee, you needn't worry where I'm going to be.
Thank you.
There is no way, there is no way I'm gonna do anything to suppress turnout if Obama's on the other guy's ticket.
Ain't happening.
Don't worry, folks.
I don't know how many times I have said whoever this nominee is is gonna have my full support because of what we're up against.
Don't have any doubt about that.
But until such time, I'm not gonna be dissuaded from talking about what I think our optimum could be.
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