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Oct. 10, 2011 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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October 10, 2011, Monday, Hour #3
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Thanks everybody.
Rush is back tomorrow.
Something else to be thankful for.
I'm thankful for your time and attention.
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I've done a lot of the Occupy Wall Street movement, a lot of 2012 talk, a lot of this, a lot of that.
And on a Monday, you tend to talk about things that come up over the weekends.
So here's something that came up over the weekend.
And I'm going to undertake what might be a fairly Herculean task, but doggone it.
I've spent a few years at this, and I'm going to give it the old college try.
And that is as soon as you hear the stories about the big dust up over what all the other candidates are saying about Mitt Romney's Mormonism.
The odds are that your eyes just glaze over and your brain turns to jelly because you know what's about to happen.
You just know it's going to become a you know what in contest between the people who hate Mormons and think they're going to rot in the lake of fire, and then the Mormons themselves who feel very put upon and very slandered and just nothing ever gets done, and it is just that kind of standoff.
I've tried to navigate that breach for years, and I feel like I've succeeded.
You may feel otherwise.
And I'll I'll I'll tell you all about that in a second.
First, just a quick thing that uh blipped across my screen.
We are um we're witnessing the end of an era.
The Dodge Minivan.
Chrysler has announced that it will end production of the iconic best selling Dodge Grand Caravan in favor of those nifty uh crossover the utility vehicles that look more like it's kind of funny.
I aren't didn't we used to call those station wagons?
I know it's different.
I know they're very, very different.
But um anyway, there we are.
RIP, the Dodge minivan.
All right, here's the deal.
First, let's talk about what your religious test is for a presidential candidate.
Here's mine, yours may differ.
If so, call me, we'll talk about it.
I am prepared not to care what religion a presidential candidate is, unless I have a reason to believe that that candidate's faith might lead him or her to do things I don't want a president to do.
Okay, case in point.
I have a fairly large disagreement with my Jewish brothers and sisters over whether Jesus is the son of God.
I think he is, they think he's not.
Guess what?
That doesn't have a blessed thing to do, no pun intended, uh, with the presidency.
So a uh uh so if Eric Cantor runs for the presidency, I don't care.
His Jewishness is a non-issue to me.
All right.
Now let's go to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
I obviously have some disagreements there.
I I have no real grasp of Jesus coming to North America and the whole Joseph Smith Brigham Young thing and the whole golden tablets.
I mean, that's just nowhere in my set of beliefs.
But not only am I not concerned about what a Mormon president might do, my inclination is to think that a Mormon president, in fact, a Mormon anything, a Mormon dog catcher, a Mormon neighbor, an LDS uh you know, librarian, is probably gonna be cut from some of the finest human cloth I can find.
It sounds it's people say it so much that it sounds condescending.
It's like I have black friends, but people but it but it's true.
Here's here's what I'm gonna say.
Uh Mormons are just some of the nicest folks I've ever met, and I've known a lot of y'all.
Y'all are great.
You're fantastic, and your values are super, and there is nothing in LDS theology that makes me think, ooh, not in the White House, no, can't do that.
So the the only things that keep me from being a um a less than enthusiastic Romney guy are things like Romney care and wondering whether he might be drinking the Kool-Aid of man-made climate change.
Real ideas, policies, not his Mormon faith.
There's nothing about that that makes me recoil from him as a presidential candidate.
Okay, so far so good.
You with me so far?
All right.
The the line of questioning this past weekend, I think uh Candy Curley at CNN was all fired up about asking Michelle Bachman and Herman Cain, is Mitt Romney a Christian?
Now it's getting interesting.
All right, gather on, kids, because here's how that goes.
If someone wishes to draw such a broad umbrella over the definition of Christianity so that it includes anybody who is a follower of Jesus.
Even if they have crafted a whole new scripture 1800 years after Jesus lived and had him coming to North America and have a whole new list of prophets and and and earthly people that can write scripture like Joseph Smith, uh, you know, if it and still be considered Christian, okay, okay.
Feel free to have that kind of elbow room, that kind of broad and mega inclusive latitude.
You may do that.
However, if someone comes to the table of um, you know, theological debate and says, you know, um, as soon as you invent, pardon me.
As soon as you craft, invent sounds so dismissive.
As soon as you add another entire scripture after the Bible, as soon as you have Jesus coming to places the Bible does not have him coming, as soon as you have all kinds of things that are not only absent from scripture from biblical scripture, but but contrary to it, you may have boy concocted sounds dismissive too.
I need verbs, I need synonyms immediately.
You may have craft crafted's good.
I'm gonna go with craft it.
It sounds respectful, and I mean it to be.
You may have crafted an adjunct to Christianity, a derivative of Christianity, an offshoot of Christianity, because it's very much about Jesus.
But is it Christianity in the historic sense and in the generally understood sense?
No.
No, it's not.
And I think that because of the two or three minutes I've spent getting into this, you know that I say that not out of any disregard for Mormon folks.
Are you kidding?
I love them.
Not out of any anything disparaging about about their faith or beliefs.
Not I I am Mr. Religious Freedom.
Whatever you believe, I am prepared to give you all the latitude in the world unless you want to kill me.
That's going to be a bit of a deal breaker.
But anything else, I don't care.
It's not my gig.
It doesn't matter.
I will not think less of you.
But uh, but words mean things to me, meanings mean things to me.
And if if for people walking around saying that being of the LDS faith, being a Mormon is just like being a Methodist or a Lutheran, Episcopalian, Mormon.
No.
It's way different.
Way different.
And what I think is and here's here's what I wonder.
Have Mormons become so tired of being beaten up for the differentness of their views and slandered and thought ill of that they just kind of feel like they've got, they've got to be just some other branch of Christianity as an acceptance thing.
Kind of like everybody that's gay wants you to think it's just like being left-handed or red-haired.
Hey, it's just another way to be.
Well, not so much.
Not to start another whole talk show, but the reason for that is because if everybody's left-handed, they're still a human race.
If everybody's red-haired, they're still a human race.
Everybody's gay, well, okay, follow me there.
And I say that without there's and there's not a homophobic bone in my body.
All right.
All right.
So maybe that's the sad place where we are, is that is there are some people who have been really unkind and really abusive, you know, toward Mormons over the years.
Some folks suggest, you know, like you're different, and that's bad.
And you know, maybe that's just a you know a part of human nature that arises every once in a while.
And some of the Mormon folks are so sick of that, it's like, well, doggone it, we just simply have to spin this, that we're just another kind of Christian.
Well, good luck with all that.
I I would hope that's not necessary.
I would hope that that some of the first people to make this observation would be LDS clergy, who would say, you know what, we're not Christian in the strictest sense in the, you know, the the Christian historic biblical uh sense, we're we're we're a little different from that.
We've we've we've blazed another trail off that main Christian highway.
We are absolutely followers of Christ, we absolutely revere Jesus.
We absolutely observe much of the sh uh of the shared imagery of him as as our as our Protestant and Catholic uh brothers and sisters, but we are we are decidedly different.
Why isn't that okay?
One of the things that has made it hard.
Here comes another language thing.
You ready?
I'm about to drop the C bomb.
No, not that one.
Cult.
Is Mormonism a cult?
Oh, and that's and that's the and and right around here.
I'm right here in Dallas Fort Worth, Pastor Robert Jefferson, the first Baptist Dallas.
Everybody wants to talk to him about now, hey, you said Mormonism's a cult.
Well, yes, I did, he says.
Okay, there are two ways of looking at this.
And because of the one way that is so dominant, I have a recommendation for everybody.
You may choose to take this recommendation, you may choose to ignore it.
If I say cult to you, what do you think of?
You think of the branch Davidians, you think of some wacky outfit that's abducting teenagers in California in the 70s, they got to deprogram them.
I mean, you uh uh you you think of bestowing all kinds of divinity on some crazy earthly person.
It's uh that they're luring people in, and once you're in, it's almost impossible to get out, and and they're abrasively derisive about people who are on the outside, etc.
I mean, we we all know what it we can close our eyes and imagine a cult, what a cult is, and it's a really bad thing.
So when anybody asks, well, is Mormonism a cult?
I I've often defined a cult as any religion you really don't like.
And I think that in usage that that happens a lot.
But just in the modern parlance, in the lexicon of everyday life, a cult is a bad group that lures people in, having invented a phony religion and guides them in horrible places and probably does bad things to them.
And it's basically also, by the way, people who are flat out crazy.
That's a cult, okay?
That's that's ask a hundred people what a cult is, and that's what they're gonna talk about.
That's what they're gonna mean.
For that reason, the whole drop calling Mormonism a cult is is does not help you in the clarity department unless you mean to insult them.
But here's the technicality that makes this tricky.
Theologically, strictly theologically, a cult is any system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward uh a particular figure, maybe sometimes even an object.
And the elevation of Joseph Smith is to such a degree that theologically you could look at this and and and attach that technical label.
I'm going to highly recommend against doing that.
I mean, if you're in a theological, if you're in a theology class and you're you're going through all this and wandering through the text and all of this, sure, knock yourself out.
You can talk about the denotative dictionary definition of a cult as a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object, etc., etc., etc.
But if you're just walking around over coffee at a bar at dinner, don't be calling folks, don't be calling anybody, don't be referring to something as a cult unless you mean it to be profoundly insulting, because that is the way it's going to be taken.
Okay.
Okay.
So how'd that work out for you?
It took a while.
Well, because it's me, it's gonna take a while.
But there, uh so there you are.
So there you are.
Uh, and and Governor Romney is all over the place now.
Uh if I and I and I guess if anybody refuses to identify Mormonism as just another branch of Christianity, either Governor Romney or his folks are going to suggest that this is religious bigotry.
It is nothing of the kind.
It is nothing of the kind.
All righty.
Gee, and we only have 41 more minutes of show.
Such a shame.
Mark Davis in for rush.
Oh, Yeah, your calls are next on the EIB network.
It is Monday, the 10th of October, Columbus Day.
If you got the day off, good for you.
Maybe that offers you up the opportunity to uh to listen to the show.
There's a good news, bad news.
You actually have the day off.
Wow, I could listen to the Rush Limbaugh show.
Oh, and the infernal fill-in guy is there.
Doggone it.
Well, I'm Mark Davis from WBAP Dallas Fort Worth.
Much appreciate your time and uh energies today on the phone.
Rush is absolutely back tomorrow after he enjoys a well deserved Columbus Day off.
All righty, to the phones to the phones.
Duke Blue Double Country, Durham, North Carolina, Donna, Mark Davis in for Rush.
How are you?
Mark, I'm doing great.
And as they say here in the South, bless your heart.
You're very kind of That's what they say to somebody when they have great intentions, but they're really wrong.
Oh, goodness gracious me.
So um so I I want to comment on the whole Mormonism issue and and what is it to be a Mormon and is it a cult?
Because I was raised Mormon.
I have studied six years in Mormon seminary.
I understand the religion inside of now.
Very good.
But now I'm not Mormon.
I haven't been for a long time.
Um now I'm Baptist.
And as much as I, you know, respect the viewpoints that you have, they're they're not quite right.
Well then then let's let's let's get to the business of finding fault with them.
Go ahead.
Well, first of all, um Mormonism is absolutely not a cult.
And you talked about their veneration of Joseph Smith as making them kind of maybe a cult, but the reality is in Mormonism, they do not worship Joseph Smith.
They do not um revere him in in a way that you're describing, where they kind of put him on par with with Jesus or something.
He is uh to them, he's a leader, he's uh he was a prophet to them.
But no more so than you know, people revere and love Billy Graham or boy boy, as boy, as an at Donna, as an actual ex-Mormon, you are going to equate Joseph Smith and Billy Graham.
Come on, have you forgotten that much?
And I love it.
No, no, no.
I've lived in both worlds.
Okay, but maybe maybe you've maybe you've lost a little maybe you've lost maybe you've lost a little touch with the first one.
And also do under and also and also, and this is extremely important, Donna, understand what I'm saying.
I am not sitting here saying that I attach myself viscerally uh to the technical theological designation of a cult that that may be attached to Mormonism in some theology textbook.
I'm saying if someone does that, they have uh they they have at least an appreciable foundation for doing it.
My overall, and you know, and you know, and you get and you get to, and you and you get and you get to do that, and and you're you obviously have a principled background for your view as well.
I think it's something over which you can have a theological debate.
Overarching we could have one.
No, indeed so.
But but rather than do that, but rather but and you'll have time.
But rather than do that, my overall point was let's let that exist in some theology classroom.
And overall, in the general American discourse, let's avoid referring to Mormonism as a cult, because generally speaking, it is a term that is used in an insulting connotation.
And on that I think you and I would cry wholeheartedly Mormons are great people.
Good then go.
Of course they are.
That's that's beyond doubt.
That nobody nobody differs that.
Okay, no next next point.
Go ahead.
So so on whether or not they are Christians, I I firmly believe that people have a right to self-determination.
And if somebody believes in Jesus and they profess their faith and and they believe that they are, then it's not up to somebody else to say whether or not they are or not.
But Donna, that is that is very screwed up.
Hang on to it.
We got about a minute and a half.
That's really messed up, and here's why, and I really, really love you.
Self-determination, excuse me, a group of people gets to determine what they are.
What if I invent a religion tomorrow that says that Jesus operates out of a body shop in Schenectady?
Uh, and then I write a whole new script.
And I'm not saying this in any insulting comparison to the Book of Mormon.
Not at all.
I'm taking what you described as as an example.
Uh do I get to call myself a Chr and the five people who gather with me in that body shop, we say we're mainstream Christian.
Hey, it's self-determination.
Come on, Donald.
Well, you know what?
This is a free country, and yes, you do get it too.
Of course it is.
No, Donna, nobody's my analogy.
No, no, you know, hang on to the I mean I may or may not have time for the analogy.
Th this is not about someone's right to say they are Christian.
Of course they can.
I believe that the right to determine whether one is something or not rests with the people who undeniably are.
And that if, you know, eighty percent of Christians say that Mormons are not really mainstream Christian, that that's what defines reality more than what the people wish they were regarded as.
Go ahead.
Give me your analogy.
Give me your analogy.
Go ahead.
It's about like asking a Yankees fan to define whether or not a Met fan is a true basic.
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
Because that suggests rivalry.
Absolutely.
Donna, that's at that because Yankees fans and Red Sox fans hate each other.
That is an adversarial relationship.
This does this doesn't need to be adversarial at all.
Just descriptive.
That's all.
You are you are one you are a wonderful call, and thank you.
You know what it takes for me to throw down Blue Devil Love?
Because I'm a University of Maryland graduate, Donna.
Let me tell you, I've I've lost many a game to the Duke Blue Devils.
Alrighty, listen, thank you, Donna.
Thanks to everybody in North Carolina.
Next up, I think South Carolina, so stick tight, Matt.
I think you're next.
Mark Davis in for Rush on the EIB network.
Okay, home stretch, everybody.
Final half hour of the Monday Rush Limbaugh Show for Columbus Day.
Rush wanted off on Columbus Day.
Who is anyone to deny him that?
He will be back at the Golden EIB microphone tomorrow.
Alrighty, uh to the phones to the phones while we're talking about all manner of global religions.
Are all of you keeping track of the plight of Yusuf Nadarkani?
He is 32.
He is a Christian pastor in Iran.
I know.
Uh-oh.
Yeah, exactly.
Uh the case of this Iranian pastor now facing a death sentence.
Uh and and what's the death sentence for over there in oh so reasonable Sharia law governed Iran.
Oh, we can coexist with these folks.
There's nothing too radical going on over there.
Come on.
What's all this scare campaign about Sharia law?
Come on, come on.
Lighten up, everybody.
Yeah, how about if we don't?
Because this guy could very well be executed for converting to Christianity.
Now I don't find this under every rock, right?
I know a lot of people are all about this and Christianity under attack all over the world and in America and blah, blah, blah.
And it is to a large degree.
But this this is a this is a particularly egregious example.
He has an attorney, and the attorney has given us a bit of news that in the face of uh growing international support, and even folks in America, like the American Center for Law and Justice, they're starting to draw attention to this,
and Iran is starting to notice that if we execute this Christian guy just for being a Christian for the crime of apostasy, uh, we might not look real good in the global marketplace, and all of a sudden Iran does seem to care about that.
I mean, if you are, if if if you pretty well have a uh a leader, a secular leader in Ahmadinejad, who's kind of a Hitler starter kit, and if uh your your overall philosophy is to yearn for the violent eradication of Israel from the map, you probably ought to sugarcoat your image in as many other ways as possible.
So here's what I hope.
It appears that the um the case of Yusuf Nadarkani, this Christian pastor in Iran, that the whole case has been handed over to the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who is the spiritual leader and highest authority.
He's Ahmadinejad's religious boss, and he now has this case in his hands, apparently.
And here's what I hope.
I hope that the Ayatollah Khameini, not the Ayatollah Homeini, he was the uh Iran 1979 guy, embassy siege guy.
This is the Ayatollah Khameini, K-H-A-M-E-N-E-I.
I hope he has uh an idea.
Because you remember that we just we didn't we just release the hikers, the people stupid enough to be hiking along the Iran, Iraq border.
Can't you go to the Rockies or something?
Maybe the hill country of Texas, maybe the Adirondacks.
Hey, let's go hiking.
Where you want to go?
Iran, Iraq border.
Boy, let's rethink.
Anyway, they did.
They wound up in Iranian prison, of course.
Anyway, they let those guys out, I think, so that the world would think better of them.
Mm-hmm.
Well, let's hope that the mullahs in Iran are in the mood to uh let this guy go too.
Yousf Nadarkani.
I hope so.
I hope so.
Alrighty, back to your calls.
We are in Charleston, South Carolina.
Matt, Mark Davis in for Rush.
Hello.
Oh, I'm sorry, hang on a second.
Is there a uh okay?
Well, let's see him.
I have uh Nick, Salt Lake City.
Hey, Mark Davis in for Rush.
How are you?
I'm fine.
How are you?
Good, thank you.
Good.
So, yeah, my name's Nick.
I'm in Salt Lake.
So are you?
My wife and I have lived all around the world.
I went to school in Indiana, graduate school in Boston.
I'm working on another master's degree here in Salt Lake.
And nowhere is my Mormonism more scrutinized than in the United States, and even more particularly here in Utah.
Not bad.
I've been a Mormon my entire life.
I love my religion.
And I think this question of Christianity comes back to a fundamental question.
What is a Christian?
How do we define that?
And I say, if you define Christianity as somebody who adheres to the fourth century Nicene Creed, no, we are not Mormon.
Or we are not Christian, excuse me.
If you believe that a Christian is somebody who believes in the divinity of Jesus Christ, then yes, let me say with all the fervor of my soul.
We are Christians.
We believe that Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God, that he came to earth to atone for the sins of man by believing on him and through him, and only by him can we get to heaven again and live with with God as described in the book of John or anywhere in the Bible.
Yes, we believe in Joseph Smith.
We believe he was a prophet.
I do not believe he's divine.
I don't believe that by Joseph Smith I get to heaven.
I believe that by Jesus Christ I do.
Do I believe in the Book of Mormon?
Yes, I do.
The Bible, Ezekiel 37, Isaiah 25, those all speak of additional scripture that will come outside of the Bible or the stick of Isaiah or the the staff of Judah.
Um that doesn't mean that the one that your guy came up with deserves that kind of regard.
No, and that's for everyone to decide.
I think that's a good idea.
Exactly, exactly right.
Exactly right.
And let's go with that theme that you've just given us, that the something that's for everyone to decide.
Um I I hope I've made clear that if that whether it's actual Mormons or people just wishing to be really expansive in their definition of Christianity, that any follower of Jesus to that ardent level that you very articulately describe, sure, that's Christianity, even if there's another entire book of scripture and a visit to to North America by Jesus, eighteen hundred years after his death, and all manner of other things that are really, really different.
Sure, still Christianity.
If that's what you're what what you're selling, they're those who will buy it, and that's fine.
But if somebody sits down next to you and says, you know, I kind of want to be a a little more restrictive in this regard.
Uh that as soon that anybody, whether it's Mormons or anybody else, as soon as you take a pretty substantial if not a departure from, but addition to and derivation from that which has been for centuries the the the main guiding focus of uh what you might call Nicene Creed Christianity, we're gonna say that's kind of something else.
Are you followers of Jesus?
Absolutely.
But Christian, not in the strictest sense.
I think they're entitled to that as well.
And then what you have is a disrepe.
I think they're entitled to that without being branded as as some level of of bigotry or some level of bigot or Mormon hater.
Is that fair?
And uh, I just go back and I make, you know, however we want to maybe we're splitting hairs over this exact definition of Christianity.
And that's okay.
That's what semantics are, is the definition of words, and I'll do it all day.
I make the comment, and I'm not speaking on behalf of the LDS Church, my 14 million worldwide members, most of which who don't live in the United States.
I define it as anybody who strictly believes in the divinity of Jesus Christ.
By that definition, Mormons are Christian.
Now I need to make something clear really quick.
Sure.
That the problem is we watch Dr. Phil or Oprah, or we watch Sister Wives on on cable, and we go, oh, they call themselves Mormons.
Let me say also there are about a thousand different branches of Mormonism, and the Mitt Romney, Harry Reed, Donnie Osmond, uh Gladys Knight Mormon is not that Mormon.
I am not that Mormon.
What are you?
Because that's kind because the Mitt Romney Harry Reid Osmonds are kind of the mainstream LDS we've all come to be familiar with.
What are you?
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
I I am a Mitt Romney Harry Reed.
Okay, go thank you.
Yeah.
As as opposed to some folks as opposed to the Warren Jeff's uh uh FLDS outfit, Danny.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
That's something that gets muddled all the time and you watch it on TV and they edit it out where they're the person's just about to explain like I'm not a Bordermann.
Exactly right.
Gee, look, we're out of time.
Exactly right.
Nick, you are great.
And thank you.
Thank you very, very much.
And uh thanks to everybody up in uh up in Salt Lake.
Uh one-800-282-2882-1-800-282-2882.
Let's let's let's take our pause now.
We'll come back, a few more calls on uh this and various things, a little more time left in today's Rush Limbaugh show.
Rush is back tomorrow.
In the meantime, Mark Davis from New Talk 820 AM 96.7 FM, WBAP Dallas Fort Worth, proud limbaug affiliate since 1993.
And the minute the show is over, you know what I'm doing?
Getting in the car, driving about three minutes to the ballpark in Arlington, watch the Rangers try to go up two-nothing on the Detroit Tigers.
God bless everybody up at WJR Detroit.
Just throwing down a little love.
Back in a moment on the EIB network.
It is the Rush Limbaugh Show for a Monday.
Mark Davis filling in back to your calls.
We are in Lafayette, Louisiana.
Mike.
Mark Davis in for Rush.
How are you?
Hello, Mark.
Hi, Mike.
How are you doing today?
Doing well, thank you.
Enjoying your show.
Thanks.
My comment was uh um uh or I guess I should say an observation that um uh in in most cases when you hear the uh the mainstream media uh which is decidedly left and the and of course the left wing um that is out there um will not allow any discussion of any sort of politics and government uh mixed with religion.
Yet when it comes to the DOP candidates, uh there becomes a uh uh anal exam to the nth degree uh concerning their their religion and description of that religion.
Oh, I'll bet you know the answer to this one.
It is because the dominant media culture that would love to see discussions of faith purged from much of the public square is glad to use religion if it can be a wedge between Republican candidates and make Republican candidates look like religious bigots by perhaps not significantly embracing uh Mormonism as Christianity or by appearing to think less of Mitt Romney because he's a Mormon.
If they can use religion as a tool to bludgeon the Republican field, oh they'll gladly do it.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And I just I just wanted to point out the uh uh the hypocrisy which uh they continue to point out to us uh on a daily basis.
Yeah, uh Mike, thank you.
I appreciate that.
Um you know this is not an invalid um uh question.
It's it's not I mean, we've just we've had a pretty good time with it for this entire hour.
Uh what and I started it out by a by answering questions for myself that you may have a different answer for.
What religious test do you have for a candidate?
And my answer was No, no, my uh Mike, thanks.
I got a scooter, I appreciate it.
I was I was off on on rant mode.
Appreciate it.
Um brief rant mode.
Uh I don't I'm prepared not to care what religion a candidate is, as long as that faith does not contain something that might that that I might divine that that uh candidate would follow off on and go down some strange uh strange road.
If if you belong to a faith, and I would I would suggest this of of a Jewish candidate, I would suggest it of a Mormon candidate.
There's nothing in either of those faiths that would lead me to go, ooh, can't have that in the Oval Office.
I mean, absolutely not.
There's nothing uh in in either of and I have disagreements, obviously.
I've I've differ I differ with uh with the Mormon faith.
I I differ greatly with the Jewish faith on the notion of the the role of Jesus as uh uh as as son of God.
But there's nothing in a uh uh in a Jewish president that I would have to fear.
There's nothing in a Mormon president that I would have to fear.
Not not at all.
Now others may have different uh different feelings about that.
And how does the rest of the field belie uh feel about the one guy among them who's a member of the LDS church?
It's a totally fair question.
And you know what?
Here's what I'm gonna do.
Free advice.
You ready?
Everybody gets their drawers in a wad, Like, oh my God, don't ask me about that.
Oh my gosh.
I'm going to give you free here, absolutely free, to everybody else in the Republican field.
Here's how to answer the question when it is asked of you.
You ready?
Take notes.
Hit the record button now.
Is Mitt Romney a Christian?
Here's the answer.
Not in the strict sense that I am with the Bible that I use and the faith that I follow.
But I thoroughly recognize that Mormons are followers of Christ and hold Christ in a similar regard, and I have no fundamental theological quarrel with them.
There, see?
Isn't that easy?
Isn't that easy?
There you go.
There you go.
All right.
In Buffalo.
Anne, Mark Davison for Rush.
How are you?
Hi, Mark.
Um, I agree with you.
Uh to me, I have no religious test for a candidate.
It doesn't matter what sect or group of uh their religious ideas come from, as long as they believe that our rights are God given.
You cannot tap the fact that our rights are God given, and that we believe every human is born with those same rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
Now, um when people argue about this, like the last fellow said, it gives the media something that they can pick at and make us all look like idiots like we don't know what we're doing.
Essentially, those people are losing sight of the forest for the trees.
In other words, they're looking at one tree and they're missing the whole point that they all believe that our rights are God given.
That's fair.
The only thing that keeps me it is the only thing I I there's a little sentence that occurred to me because you're you're being so gracious, and I hope it's not to a fault.
I mean, Al Qaeda may believe that rights are God given.
You know what I mean?
I but but then you you you you went down a specific funnel that was wise, I think about life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, and things like that.
Yeah, there are there are a lot of um I think that that's in linear fashion, exactly what I was talking about.
There are a lot of of faiths that people can have, and we can have religious differences, but the only religious differences that matter, I I, you know, to me and apparently to you, and in a presidential candidate, is is there something in your religion that's gonna make you go do wacky things or things that I would vastly disagree with?
And if that answer is no, then that's your religious business and none of mine.
And thank you greatly, appreciate it very, very much.
All right, tell you what, let's do.
Let's take our pause, actually do it on time, unlike the last hour.
Wow, and then we'll come back and have a final word or two, maybe three, before we uh get you off for the rest of your Columbus Day Monday and get rushed back in the EIB chair tomorrow.
I'm Mark Davison for Rush, back in a moment.
Well, just a couple of precious minutes left on the Monday Rush Limbaugh Show, and Rush will be back tomorrow.
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So as as we begin today, I had a little specific love to shout out to some uh some Rush affiliates, to the good folks of WISN and Milwaukee and KMOX and St. Louis, enjoy that National League Championship Series thing that you guys have going on.
As for me, when this show is over here, in about 30 seconds, I'm roaring right across that street right there to the Rangers Ballpark in Arlington and watch my Rangers try to go up two-nothing on the Detroit Tigers.
So to the good people at WJR, it's great to have you guys in town.
The next three are up there at Comerica.
So uh it's just great to have kind of a middle America feel into postseason baseball, isn't it?
Look at that.
Milwaukee, Detroit, St. Louis, and Texas.
It doesn't get more American than that.
So, God bless our country and our troops in Rush.
Thank you for the privilege again.
Thanks to Greg Chapin, Mike Mamon, and and then Bo and Kit and everybody that makes this such a joy every single time I do it.
I'm I'm just enormously thrilled and enormously grateful.
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