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Sept. 8, 2010 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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September 8, 2010, Wednesday, Hour #2
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From today's Washington Post, the last major GE factory making ordinary incandescent light bulbs in the United States is closing this month, marking a small, sad exit for a product and company that can trace their roots to Thomas Edison's innovations in the 1870s.
The remaining 200 workers at the plant in Winchester, Virginia, will lose their jobs.
One of the workers said, now what are we gonna do?
As the lighting industry shows, even when the government pushes companies toward environmental innovations, and Americans come up with them, the manufacturer of the next generation technology can still end up overseas.
What made the plant vulnerable is in part a 2007 energy conservation measure passed by Congress that sets standards, essentially banning ordinary incandescent light bulbs by 2014.
I don't know about you, I'm hoarding the things.
The law will force millions of American households to switch to the so-called more efficient compact fluorescence.
The resulting savings in energy and greenhouse gas emissions are expected to be immense, but no one knows exactly.
There's a global warming story out just today.
Guess what?
Greenland and some of the uh ice flows, they're only gonna melt half as much as originally forecast.
So the polar bears are still gonna have a place to live.
I don't even buy the I don't think it's a melt, period.
All of this is a is a is a is a sham.
So here we have a story in the Washington Post highlighting bad thing after bad thing after bad thing that documents what an utter failure for this country Democrats are.
What an utter failure for this country liberals are.
What made the plant vulnerable in part?
Is a 2007 energy conservation in part?
Congress banned what they were making at this plant.
There's no in part about it.
A bunch of liberals acting in panic based on a hoax.
Man-made global warming.
The idea that incandescent light bulbs are going to destroy the environment.
They're gonna cause the globe to warm to the point that we can't survive.
It is ridiculous.
And so the very people, the very Democrats who are talking jobs, jobs, jobs.
Is Obama out there, we're gonna create all these jobs, all these stimulants.
All that's happening in this country is that people are losing jobs because of Democrats.
They're losing jobs left and right because of Democrats, because of Democrats, liberals, socialists, what have you.
And this little plant, Winchester, Virginia, is just one of many examples.
I see stories like this, and I see so much of this all based on a hoax, and then I get to issues like is Christine O'Donnell electable versus Mike Castle.
I said, What in the world are we talking about here?
What is the point of electoral politics to make sure that we know people in power in Washington so we can feel big and important?
Or at this point in time is the point to get people elected who will arrest and stop and reverse this dangerous course that we're on.
For the longest time, I mean, I've been doing this for 22 years.
For many of those 22 years, there have been constant laments about elected officials, both parties.
On our side, it's Republicans.
Republicans in name only, rhino.
We sit there and we complain about them.
And this complaint, a series of complaints, inspires a bunch of people who otherwise would never even think about it to run for office.
They are by nature, by definition, not professional politicians.
They are average Americans about whom the founding fathers had in mind.
So then they decide, okay, Republicans in name only are a rotten thing.
There's not a dime's worth of difference between the parties, is what some people believe.
And so they say, okay, I'm going to run for office.
I'm going to try to make a difference.
What happens?
The very people, in some cases, who have been complaining and whining and moaning about Republicans' name only turn their lag their their attack on the newcomers.
Because they're not what?
Professional enough.
Cleaning up pure enough.
They don't know the ins and outs of the political business.
Well, or they are they embarrass us for whatever host of reasons.
I just remember all of the caterwalling over Arlan Spector.
And what's his name?
Christopher Shays.
And all these Republicans in name only.
And now we have some people, I guess, on our side who want to support candidates just like that.
Because the newcomers embarrass them somehow.
Like in some cases, Sarah Palin embarrasses people.
Now let me ask you a question.
When I hear people on our side mouth criticisms of Palin that echo criticisms of the left, I scratch my head.
Now, in my mind, if you jump forward to 2012, I've put any name in there, put in Gingrich Paler, no way, I don't care who put in, you know, Mr. Hicksville from South Carolina.
Anybody would be better than Obama.
We have got to get rid of this bunch of people.
We have to get rid of the American left.
We have got to...
We've got to politically destroy these people.
Otherwise, they're going to destroy the country.
I...
Just...
It's serious.
This is bone crunching time.
I hear talk that some Republicans really don't want to reverse health care.
Don't want to even talk about repealing health care because they don't want to give up the power that they are going to have once they get the majority.
it's the same argument that I've always advanced.
You're never going to get serious tax code reform with this current bunch of politics.
They're never going to give up the power of social architecture they have in writing the tax code.
So whether you've got a great plan or not, fair tax, flat tax, whatever it is, with this current crop, both parties, you're never going to get fundamental change, they're never going to give up the power they've got that the uh the tax code provides them.
I think I think the country is uh in a fight for its life.
I don't think I'm overstating this at all.
We're in a fight for our liberty.
This is uh these are not just casually uttered words here.
I mean liberty with a capital L. I mean freedom with a capital F with 15 exclamation points behind each.
We are in a fight for all of that.
Our freedom, our liberty for the country as it was founded.
And this fight is gonna go on long past this November.
And it's gonna go on long past 2012 because the left isn't going away.
They're not going anywhere.
Things have gone so far in the wrong direction, for so long, this fight to reclaim the country is gonna make the war on terror look like a Sunday stroll in Central Park.
And we're gonna need every ideologue we can get on our side.
We're gonna need every conservative we can get on our side, willing to take it to the left.
Not willing to compromise with them.
Not willing to cross the aisle and work with them.
We know that doesn't work.
All this talk about the American people want the parties to get along.
It's all a crock.
American people don't like the partisanship.
What the American people don't like is the country being taken to hell.
What the American people don't like is the private sector being destroyed.
What the American people don't like is a bunch of inbred inside the Beltway politicians trading power every four years, but nothing really changing.
That's what they don't like.
I remember this New York Times cover story on me that Zev Chaffetz wrote.
He talked to Karl Rove.
And Rove said about me, you know, Rush isn't a party man.
Meaning I'm not a Republican friend.
And Carl's right about that.
And I find it I find it interesting that the people still think that I do the Republican Party's bidding.
Excuse me.
Truth be known, a lot of people in the upper branches, echelons of the Republican Party are not that comfortable with me.
Just like people the upper echelons of the Democrat Party are not that comfortable with me.
But when you read any story, what the ruling class media has to say about Sarah Palin or any new Tea Party candidate, put your own name in her place.
Imagine if it was you.
Imagine if you've heard all this talk, how many of you can say that you've never been in debt?
How many of you can say that you have lived lives clean and pure as the wind-driven snow?
How many of you can say that if you ran for office you would not present a target because of something in your life in the past?
How many of you could survive a media anal exam?
None of us could.
None of us conservatives could.
So why do we have and attach this standard to people who have decided they want to get involved.
Just whatever they say about Palin, imagine if it was you they're talking about.
If you had decided to seek office, or whatever they say about, I don't know, pick somebody.
Sharon Angle.
Whatever they're saying about Sharon, imagine if it was you that they were saying that about.
It's exactly what they would think of you.
You're not a professional politician.
You're not from inside the Beltway.
You're not...
somebody can grant anybody access.
Imagine what they'd say if it was you instead of Sharon Angle, or you instead of Christine O'Donnell, you instead of Sarah Palin.
Imagine what they'd say about you and your family.
Conservative families are fair game, unlike everybody else.
They can not only destroy you, but your family, and yet we've got people on our side willing to risk this because they think it's important enough to try to save the country.
So you have people on the left that are naturally gonna take their shots of these people because they're afraid of them.
Afraid of them winning.
And we got some people on our side, the professional Republican politicians in the Beltway, some of them are also afraid of these outsider upstarts winning.
So they got to join in and tar and feather them as somehow oddball freak kooks nature that are.
In fact, if you're talking about qualifications for serving in elective office.
If you've been in debt, and if you've had the IRS chasing you, fairly or unfairly, maybe you have more of an ability to relate to more people than you don't.
If you have failed to pay the electric bill now and then, or if you fail to pay some taxes on some maid or nanny that you have, or imagine anything that you've done in your life being brought up as a disqualification.
And yet, most of what you've done is shared by vast majority of other Americans, which enables you to relate to them.
And yet all that is said to be disqualifying.
Anyway, I got to take a break.
I'm a little long.
We're shutting down the light bulb factories now for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
Just a full-fledged 100% hoax.
And people who have the guts to stand up against this are somehow categorized as the mainstream, no, no, rush global warming.
We have to realize a lot of Americans believe global warming, and we've got to treat it as no.
If Americans believe it, they've got to be told that they've been lied to.
They gotta be told that they're victims of a hoax.
Because at some point, the vast majority of the American people are not willing to lose their jobs and their futures and their lifestyles for a hoax.
Back after this.
Don't go away.
Ever since I got back, I got back into town over the weekend, and um, I guess this is when it starting on Monday in my email.
I have uh I have received I have notes from uh friends of mine lobbying me against this O'Donnell woman in Delaware.
Uh these are it doesn't matter the names.
I mean, I just but no, I don't mean people asking what I think.
I'm taught people who are telling me what I should say.
Rush, she's even worse.
There's gonna be stuff come out that you don't even know.
Stay away from this.
I would this is horrible.
We I mean it's just it's more important to take the Biden seat.
So I got curious.
I got friends of mine telling me to stay away from it, or if I get into it to ram ram this woman, O'Donnell, because she's got all this baggage.
And I said, Well, who doesn't have baggage?
And that's when I started to think, well, what if it's you instead of her, or you instead of Sarah Payla?
What have you run?
Well, you care as much about the country as they do.
What have you decided to run?
They're gonna say the same thing about you, doesn't mean you're disqualified.
And it kind of hits close to home.
In New York 1, there's a man running Republican primary named George Demos.
Does that name ring a bell?
He m he might pronounce it demos, but he is he's another example of a conservative that the GOP power structure is trying to run out, just like the Didi Skazafaza race, New York 23, whatever it was.
They're saying he can't win.
Now, this guy's a literal rush baby.
This guy's a subscriber to my email.
He sent a letter to my newsletter in 1995.
We had an issue of my newsletter in 1995 that put me on the cover as a four-star general.
And George Demos wrote a note as a mere 18-year-old private of the Ditto Head Reserves, forgive me for pointing out an error on the cover of the January issue of the Limbaugh Letter.
Your helmet's missing its fifth star, he wrote.
Certainly, after having led the American people to their greatest victory in the last two centuries, this is the 94 congressional race, there is no honor high enough for you.
EIB salutes George Demos, New York.
Now, this guy's running for office in New York one.
A literal rush baby.
And the Republican establishment is turned on him.
He can't win.
He's um he's all concerned about ground zero and the mosque and so forth.
So that The State Party, Republican State Party has sent uh Christopher Cox, Nixon's grandson, and uh a guy who was a Green Party pro-choice Republican of New Jersey before they shipped him out to Suffolk County to run against George Demos.
So you got a couple pro choice country club blue blood Republicans in the primary because they're in the Northeast, and it's sad that only those kind of Republicans can win in the Northeast.
It's silly.
Only only those kind of Republicans can win in California.
That a conservative can't win in the Northeast, a conservative can't take the Biden seat, a conservative cannot take Boxer's seat.
It just Russia, you're gonna have to realize here that these uh these people are not professionals, they don't have enough, they've got too much baggage, they're gonna be made mincemeat, the Democrats.
We we gotta have people who can win.
Well, okay, fine.
What if we all got behind them?
You think they could win.
I mean, uh didn't they tell us we're never gonna get a conservative as governor of New Jersey?
That was never gonna happen.
We're never Rush, don't they?
You're never gonna get a guy like Chris Christie.
Don't even dream about it.
You're not gonna get this guy in in Virginia, this guy doesn't have a prayer rush.
You think a Republican's gonna take the Kennedy seat, right?
You could come on, Rush, get real here.
So all these people in ours it can't be done, and if it does happen, it's a mistake.
So we've got to stick with the Rhinos.
Because they allow the Republicans to have a majority, but what good is it?
And we're back at a cutting edge of societal evolution.
George Demos, by the way, a literal rush baby, running for the Republican primary, the Republican nomination, New York won.
That's Eastern Long Island.
He is a um, he wrote a letter.
Again, I want to repeat this.
He was a subscriber to Limbaugh Letter in 1995, 18 years old.
We put an artist rendering of me on the cover of my own newsletter.
I'm on it every every month, by the way, folks.
It's uh be an upset if I weren't.
And we put me on the covers of four-star general.
He writes a letter, you'd need a fifth star for what you've done.
Literal rush baby.
He's a former securities and exchange commissioner, prosecutor.
He prosecuted white-collar fraud as a prosecutor, U.S. Securities Exchange Commission between 2002 and 2009, and John J. Lavalle, the Suffolk County Republican chairman back in February, said that George Demas was a qualified extraordinary candidate for the Republican Party nomination to be a congressman in the first district from Eastern Long Island,
but the DC GOP sent a bunch of people in to run against him, who are pro-choice country club blue blood Republican type.
So this stuff, you know, is it I I'm personally attached to this.
People who have been listening to this program have been inspired.
I look at I don't talk about this because I don't divulge everything on this program.
I would love to be able to tell you the number of sitting politicians, some of them who are governors, who have written me letters telling me I'm the one that inspired them to get into politics.
Well, now that carries with, as far as I'm concerned, a responsibility.
If the things that I'm espousing as passionate personal beliefs in this program are inspiring people to get involved in this mess, I can't, I'm not gonna turn my backs on them simply because they have baggage.
Joe Biden didn't have baggage.
Joe Biden didn't have baggage, Obama doesn't have baggage.
Are the Democrats clean and pure as the wind driven?
Most people in this country have baggage because they've run up against some government agency somewhere along the line.
But that's not the point.
The point is everybody's got baggage that could be exploited.
In a campaign ad or what that that's that's why fewer and fewer people want to get involved in this mess because they don't want to go through the media anal, because if they're Republicans, their families are gonna be included in it as well.
So I just a different day.
This is not solely about profession in fact.
I I'd go I'd go so far as to say that one of the problems in this country is the professional politician of either party.
The professional politician.
That's what the uprising is against here.
And what's brought it to a head here is that the professional politicians on the left have finally taken the mask off, and everybody now sees what and who the professional politicians are on the left are.
They are Marxists, socialist liberals.
And what people now realize is if the professional politicians on the right do not see what they see out in the hinterlands, then the professional politicians on the right are going to have to go too.
The Republicans have got to understand here that people who get up and live and work every day in this country who cannot tap into the gazillions of dollars that end up in Washington every day, who have to go out and earn it, are finding fewer and fewer opportunities to do that because they can't get jobs.
Why?
Because of the professional politicians on the left, led by Obama who are destroying the engine that creates jobs.
It's called the American private sector.
And if this is happening to average ordinary Americans, and if they don't see the opposition party standing up and opposing it as much as they do, then guess what the opposition party is going to be worth to them?
It's not complicated.
So when they are told, no, you gotta get Mike Castle in there so the Republicans can hold on to their chairmanships, the guy who's lost his job doesn't care about somebody's chairmanship.
He cares about the future of the country and whether he's going to have a job, and whether his kids are going to have an opportunity to make something of themselves.
He doesn't care whether the Republicans have a fundraising advantage or where they have a majority here or there, because if they're not going to use the majority to stop this, because the majority is made up of people who don't disagree with this, then what good's the majority?
That's what they're asking themselves.
Okay, so let's say, hypothetically, let's say we get 55 Republicans.
I mean, it's not going to happen, but I'm picking a round number.
We get 55 Republicans in the Senate.
But 10 of them do not disagree with what Obama's doing.
Then what good's the 55.
So the Republicans are kind of at the crossroads here because the Democrats, the liberals have so exposed themselves that average ordinary Americans now see what liberalism is and where it's taking the country because they're living it and they want it stopped.
And they're not going to be bought off with the notion, well, just give us a majority and we're going to stop this stuff.
How are you going to stop it if your majority is not made up of people who disagree with it?
It's not complicated.
So it's not the American people out of touch.
It's not the people who make the country work who are out of touch.
They fully understand what's going on.
And they don't care.
They're not interested in being part of the ruling class inside the beltway.
They're not interested in being part of the power structure.
They just want government-placed obstacles out of their way.
So that they can once again go to work, perhaps start down the road to acquiring wealth, bequeath some to their kids, their kids and grandkids have the same opportunity, the same uncluttered road to success, which is being obliterated each and every day the longer Democrats remain in power.
The average ordinary American understand that the average ordinary American that's involved, I'm not talking about people whose main objective is to read People Magazine.
I'm talking about people who are involved in this every day.
And they full well understand what they're up against.
And if they think that the party that they support does not understand what they're up against, they're not going to support it.
Hence the Tea Party.
Hence, Americans who never once thought they'd be such active people in politics, they're rising up.
They're rising up because of actual events.
They're not rising up because of extremism, they're not rising up because of anything other than the impact that professional politicians are having on their lives.
That may be one of the reasons why in certain parts of the country Democrats are still leading Republicans in fundraising, even in this climate.
What did I see the other day?
The Republican National Committee, I I never know whether to believe these numbers.
Because they change every time a news story comes up.
What did I see?
RNC has five million dollars on hand or some such thing, or five million dollars down a lot less than DNS because Steeles running around doing whatever he's doing.
Well, how in the world can the opposition party be underfunded?
Given the current circumstance.
How in the world the Republican Party ought to be Rockefellers right now, given what the Obama people are doing.
People ought to be throwing dollars at Republicans.
Why aren't they?
Think about that.
We'll take a brief time out, come back and return to the phones after this.
And as promised back to the phones, we go to Pittsburgh.
And Barry, I'm glad you waited, sir.
You're next on the EIB network.
Hello.
Hello, Rush.
How are you doing?
Very well, sir.
Hey, um, I had to call um I've had it with a misconception from the administration about rich versus small businesses.
I just wanted to make a quick comment.
Sure.
What most people don't understand is most small businesses are S corporations.
Right.
That's what 90% of us are.
At the end of the year, the money left in the bank is not the company's money.
That shows up as the owner's money.
And it's taxed as the owner's money.
In other words, it's taxed is an individual.
Well, I don't want to I don't want that money.
I want to leave in the bank for my company.
You know, we need to at least keep two or three months worth of money in there for payroll in case something happened, so on and so forth.
And the thing is is you cannot say that's the company's money.
It shows up at the end of the year is the private individual's money.
Because there's a as a sub-S, you file your business return on your personal return.
Absolutely right.
And the thing that again, most people don't understand is $250,000, they're talking about anybody that makes over that.
Well, just real quick, you can do the math real quick.
If your payroll $70,000 or $75,000 plus the rest of your overhead, plus your operating costs, and you gotta keep three months in there just to be safe.
Most businesses should do that.
They don't want to live payday to payday in case something happened.
And they go with the higher tax rate, just like your taxes and individual.
What we would like is for them to lower the tax rate for the money that we leave in the bank as the business's money.
Well, wait a minute.
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
I thought Obama's gonna propose some big uh small business uh tax incentive for you.
Uh you're not happy with that.
Absolutely not.
I don't even know what it is.
Do you know what it is?
Well, I heard a couple things.
Oh, and it just keeps getting better.
The RD's talking about RD.
Whoopy do.
Yeah, I design equipment and get this.
I have to hire a consultant to do a deduction for RD, which whenever I told them how much I was going to spend on RD, they said, huh, that's not even worth it.
I can account for every penny that I spend on RD, yet I cannot do a deduction.
I got to go to a consultant to show me how to do it, and that's going to cost me at least seven to ten thousand dollars.
Now, again, doing the math, that's not even worth it at the end of the day.
It's just unbelievable what they're not telling you about small businesses and this taxation.
It's just unbelievable to me.
Obama is relying on the same premise that you started your call with, and that is most people don't know.
Most people don't understand sub-est.
Most people most people don't understand the the uh intricacies of it, how you file your taxes and how the business is run.
Uh only a small portion of Americans do, and Obama's counting on that ignorance.
Obama thinks that uh most people, he's playing off the fact that seven to ten thousand dollars, you've got that times ten in the bank.
You're a business.
Obama believes you're sitting on money like you never believe you're sitting on, and you won't spend it because you're greedy.
So he's trying to incentivize you into spending the money.
I don't know.
It's it's uh this is like the this this the figure of 250,000 per couple as being rich.
So stop thinking that.
250,000 per couple.
Average that out, $125,000 a person, that equals rich.
You say, well, how do they come to that?
They pick a number with the fewest number of people above it, the greatest number of people below it.
What they know is the vast majority of Americans do not make 250,000.
So when they hear that only people who make more than that's taxes are going up, they don't care.
In fact, they're even for it.
Nobody in this administration has run a small business.
Nobody in this administration has made a payroll.
But even that misses the point.
Obama's objective is not to grow small business.
If Obama's objective was to grow small business, he would not have done one policy item that he's done.
It's that simple.
Frank in uh Bridgeville, Delaware.
Great to have you on the EIB network, sir.
Hello.
He hung up.
All right, who's next?
Um uh was this?
Uh Naminton, New Jersey.
And uh Dan, I'm glad you're there.
Hello, sir.
Russ, how are you, sir?
Very well, thank you.
Grace Greece, I'm a first time caller.
I've been listening to you since 1992.
Thank you, sir.
It's Hammondon, by the way.
Yes.
When I'm first listening to you, it took me like two minutes to listen to you.
I was hooked for life.
Anyway, my comment is about your uh show that you want to do.
Uh Obama without mentioning his name.
And a while back you did a history show.
Sorry, I'm a little out of breath of running.
Um like talking about how the country was made, the Constitution, and how the the uh the uh the Jewish work uh Supreme Court, yeah.
How all legislation and laws come about, how they work.
And maybe you could do something like that, because that was very insightful, and I really enjoyed that show.
How long ago did I do that?
You remember?
Um, I think you had Graham on as a guest, so um Graham?
Let me think.
It's going back, wait.
It's going back about.
Who Graham?
I don't have guests.
Who are you talking about?
Well, you were talking to somebody on Congress.
I remember him being on there, speaking.
Oh no, I'm sorry, you were quite.
Anyway, your memory is that we did a show without mentioning uh a president's name for three hours.
Right.
No, that's the idea for your show.
Without mentioning, you could do what you did before.
Uh you you talk about the making of the country and how the uh your courts worked, what they were made for, um, and how walls get passed and everything so give people an idea how things were.
I thought it was it was great, and uh that was really insightful, but I guess I'm going back about ten years.
Maybe at least ten years.
And uh well, I have to I'm always looking forward.
I uh that's why I have staff to tell me what I said yesterday because I don't even remember.
Phil Graham, Phil Graham wasn't anyway.
I appreciate the call out there, uh uh Dan very much.
Uh by the way, some of you caught this part of the show yesterday and had a lot of fun with it.
This is the Heritage Foundation put something new together that caught a lot of attention from all of you.
The researchers there have put some of their facts into the form of questions and are posting six of them at a time online at Askheritage.org.
And now whether you are one of the nearly 700,000 members of Heritage or not, you can put your informed self to the test in one of the easiest true or false exams you've had since graduating Haskrul.
The uh Heritage Foundation is going to run these quizzes for a while, posting at least one new question a day at their website.
Now, a lot of you are already members of Heritage, so you know just how bright and right on these people are there.
Heritage Foundation, the largest think tank inside Washington, putting out a ton of truthful information on how our country can best be governed.
They are right on.
They may be based in D.C., but they are accessible to everybody.
A membership to Heritage is available to everybody.
Memberships start at just 25 bucks, they go up from there.
It's all about what you want to contribute to the organization.
The website, AskHeritage.org.
I actually had friends of mine went and took the test.
Hey, Russia, I got them all right.
I said, I would expect you to.
As a listener to this program.
So there's six of them up there now at AskHeritage.org.
Go and see if you can ace all six of their current questions.
Now look, been kind of tough on the Republicans here, even if they are behind in fundraising, and I'm not sure that they are, but even if they are, at least they're not instituting death panels to cut off funding from any of their candidates that are too far behind in the polls.
The Democrats have set up triage.
And the candidates they don't think can win are being shut out.
Now, the National Journal Hotline says the National Republican Congressional Committee outraged its Democrat counterpart in each of the last four months.
That's on the House side.
I don't know about the Senate Republican Committee versus the Democrat Senate Republican Committee.
I don't know about the RNC versus DNC.
And I even if I saw a figure today, it would change tomorrow.
There seems to be no continuity or consistency in these uh in these fundraising numbers.
At any rate, all I know is that the Rasmussen people are out there.
68% of the American people favor smaller government and lower taxes.
That means 68% of the American people want conservative principles, which tells me that a campaign based on those is a winning campaign.
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