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Sept. 1, 2009 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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September 1, 2009, Tuesday, Hour #3
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Thanks, Johnny.
Appreciate it.
Thanks, Rush, for the honor of being here for the second day.
The next two days, though, are Mark Stein on Wednesday and Thursday, always enjoyable.
And then Friday, Walter Williams.
So it's just a big happy week of guys happy to be here.
And very pleased at your company for this day.
Rush back next week.
As we all head up here comes Labor Day weekend.
It's September 1st already.
Unbelievable.
I smell NFL season.
Very, very cool.
Brett Favre did pretty well last night, right?
Are we caring about that?
Boy, I I cannot imagine.
I can't the the example that's been used in everywhere you are, everywhere you live, you can make your own example.
Here in Dallas Cowboys country, it goes like this.
Can you imagine if Roger Staubach had finished his years of service in 1979 and had said, you know what?
I got a little more playing in me.
I'm going to the Washington Redskins.
I know both sides of that because I grew up in the suburbs of D.C., now I've been here for 15 years.
I that would just make people's heads explode.
There's never been anything like this, where a Hall of Fame guy who's just whose DNA is just fused into one community, in Favre's case, Green Bay, coming out and uh heading heading to the enemy.
And people just ream him for this, but the Packers could have kept him and chose not to.
Heard an analogy just locally yesterday that if if you uh if if you dump a girl, it's no longer any of your business who she dates.
Probably a horribly clumsy analogy, but I think it kind of works.
I don't know.
So far in Minnesota.
I don't know.
And I know Rush will be regaling you with Pittsburgh Steelers stories.
Probably have a pretty good time with that, too, because the Steelers are probably going to be very, very, very good.
But here as we get from uh from summer to fall, obviously we get into some interesting anniversaries.
This is uh I was just looking at the calendar, looking at my calendar from last year.
We're just about exactly a year of when we're all gathered in St. Paul, wondering how that was all gonna work out at the Republican convention.
The McCain Palin Convention.
What an absolutely amazing, amazing week that was.
Uh if is in fact one year ago today, one year ago today, uh they um they blew away the um the Monday night for um because of a hurricane preparedness.
What's that?
Ike I lose track.
So a part of America was gonna get chewed up.
Oh, we can't have a Republican convention in Minnesota because of what might happen on the Gulf Coast.
Struck me as weird, but I was up there.
Not to not to keep taking the show back to hurricane issues.
Oh, heavens to Betsy.
And then um boy, Tuesday and Wednesday unfolded.
The Sarah Palin speech.
We've come a little way since then, haven't we?
She certainly has.
And now she is part of a fascinating tapestry of of it seems suddenly empowered Republicans of uh Mitt Romney, Bobby Jindal, you know, is Mike Huckabee gonna, you know, is Mike Huckabee gonna leave radio now to run for uh to run for president.
Uh radio and television.
Um it's uh how about names that maybe we're not even talking about so much, like Paul Ryan, Mike Pence, um I'm ready to hear everybody's best game, ready to see what everybody brings in 2012.
But first we have that little thing called 2010.
Um this final hour of the show today is uh do you fear oh this is so weird.
Can you believe that I'm saying this?
And maybe I shouldn't.
I don't believe in jinxes, all right.
So because of that, I'll tell you.
Are you concerned about overconfidence?
Uh I have seen.
Right, I'm not, because I don't plan on practicing it.
I will believe that Republicans have traction to win back a bunch of seats, the 40 that are needed to return uh to the majority in the House.
I will believe it when I see it, and not for one minute beforehand.
I don't know about polls, I don't know about forecast.
I mean, you could show me that we're gonna win 55 seats on the day before November of 2010.
I'll say, okay, let I'll talk to you that night.
Because what a wild rodeo the 2010 elections are gonna be.
Democrats, some of them are gonna be fighting for their lives, their fortunes damaged by the positions they've taken on uh on health care and maybe even some other issues.
Republicans suddenly empowered, thinking there might not be a Republican majority for another decade, suddenly seeing that the sheer extremism, the cravenness of this administration may have given them an unbelievable gift, the gift of the public's attention.
A Democrat administration that has turned off so many people that they are suddenly willing to pay attention to Republicans whom they had forgotten were ever born a mere year earlier.
So uh uh every time I see the occasional article that says, Oh, some analyst says Republicans could have a huge bonanza in twenty ten.
I I just said don't say it, don't look at it, get it away from me.
Don't let me drink that Kool-Aid.
We will just have to see.
We'll just have to see.
As we get ready, go to your calls, though, uh the strategy is everything in Washington, right?
And um this is kind of interesting.
Barbara Boxer and John Kerry are the chief Democrat sponsors of uh this uh this pernicious global warming legislation, uh, and they've pushed its introduction back from next it was going to be next week.
They're gonna wait until later in September.
Barbara Boxer John Kerry, in an emailed statement uh yesterday, talked about John Kerry's hip surgery, uh Senator Kennedy's death, uh health care still uh you know occupying all the oxygen.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reed said in July he wanted the committees with jurisdiction over this global warming measure to have their work done by September twenty-eighth.
Barbara Boxer, who is the chairwoman of the Environment and Public Works Committee, uh says that's uh probably not gonna happen now.
Now the House passed cap and trade in June.
And the more people learn about that, the less popular it gets.
And so the Senate is just gonna be a fascinating, fascinating place.
And oh, and by the way, uh Governor Deval Patrick in Massachusetts, we have a um we have a special election date set, was it January 19th?
So this notion of passing health care by the end of this calendar year?
I mean, I I don't know, all that was all they need 51?
If they're gonna bypass the usual methodology, the reconciliation method.
Heck with that 60 that served the Republic well forever, let's do the fifty-one thing.
Why?
Well, because it's us and we think it's important.
But the question arises, if we have enough success in convincing people of the uh the ill wisdom of Obamacare, is it possible that maybe even that fifty-one is tough to get?
And if they're scratching and clawing to get to fifty-one, that Massachusetts vacancy, very interesting.
Now, with governor, you know, with with with the election set, and please don't even allow yourself to dream that maybe there are people in Massachusetts who have achieved sufficient clarity to elect uh a Republican.
Nah.
Please, please, please, please, please.
I know every once in a while, Massachusetts will will, you know, crank out a Republican governor, uh, but it's sort of the William Weld kind of guy.
Or what Mitt Romney used to be, which I I think was was kind of a moderate soul.
Certainly less so now.
And is that a and I've I've been around Governor Romney a number of times.
I've f trudged through the snows of New Hampshire with this guy and everybody else up there, just this uh this past uh magical year.
And uh and I've I've I find him to be sincere.
I really do.
I uh I like the guy.
There was, quite frankly, after Rudy was stupid enough to uh uh to say, well, I'll I'll start getting serious in Florida.
Right.
You know, and then uh John McCain, uh Huckabee wins Iowa, John McCain wins New Hampshire, uh, and and all these guys are getting headlines and getting attention.
So Rudy's largely forgotten by the time we get to Florida.
Romney uh, you know, does well but not well enough uh to to keep Huckabee from winning in Iowa or keep McCain from winning New Hampshire, but he's just in there and I think ran a good campaign.
I like the business background, like his views, uh like his aggressiveness.
Is he my guy?
Please don't even talk to me about my guy.
Uh We'll we'll we'll see who who my guy, or gal might be once everybody's brought their their best game.
But the Mitt Romney that you see today is very different from the one that got elected governor of Massachusetts.
The Mitt Romney of today could not be elected governor of Massachusetts and certainly could not be elected Senator from Massachusetts.
Some have said, hey, maybe middle run for that Ted vacancy.
Yeah, that would be a genius move.
That's what you'll want to do when you're thinking about the presidency in 2012, and that's run for a seat where you're going to get your clock cleaned because bec because it is Massachusetts and because it is the Kennedy seat, uh this is almost no Republicans need to ply.
Somebody will, there'll be some uh valiant soul get up there and get steamrolled and and God bless whoever that is, but um but the thing is uh without that I wonder how much they're gonna need that one Massachusetts vote before the end of this calendar year.
It'll be long and what you may see is a s if if it really does if it's this nail bitingly close and the Democrats need literally need that one vote.
Suddenly it won't be something they have to do by the end of the year.
What's the one thing that takes them off this ridiculous urgency fetish.
We gotta do it and we gotta do it now.
It's gotta be now now what?
We get one more vote in January.
Well let's relax a little bit.
Let's enjoy the holidays get back to it in January.
Just wait okay.
Enough waiting for people on hold uh one eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two let's go ahead and get our first break of the hour out of the way and dive in and see what people are thinking wanting to talk about on the Tuesday Rush Limbaugh Show.
I'm Mark Davis in uh Dallas Fort Worth at WBAP filling in much appreciate that and uh again Mark Stein tomorrow and Thursday Walter Williams on Friday rush back next week.
So with that let's pause and get to your calls at 1-800-282-2882 and we'll do it next on the Rush Limbaugh Show.
1-800-282-2882 that is the Rush Limbaugh phone number even when Rush isn't here.
Which he's not this week I'm Mark Davis in Dallas Fort Worth, Texas, enjoyed Monday and uh now Tuesday we've got another thirty nine minutes together.
Let's see what we make of it.
And then Mark Stein tomorrow and Thursday, Walter Williams on Friday.
Let's see who's on the phone lines and what they want to do.
1-800-282-2882.
We spent a lot of time today talking about how America grew war weary and in um in broken arrow, Oklahoma, Faith is here with an observation that maybe this is something we have always done and may always do.
Hi Faith, how are you?
Hi Mark.
I was calling because I don't think it's really fair to compare saying oh the president goes against public support it makes you makes him a leader or it makes him not a leader.
You've got to look at each situation differently.
With President Bush in in general in America with war, public support usually wanes after about two years.
I mean this is true as far back as Abraham Lincoln George Washington.
So sometimes it takes a great leader to continue a vision that America has.
You know and I think there's a totally different situation when you're talking about a president who's wanting to pass policies that there are no public support to begin with.
So I don't think it's really the same thing.
No I I think that is a spectacular point.
Let's take your your thesis here and apply it to a couple of wars.
Two years into America's war on terror, let's say 2005, certainly America was starting to grow war weary.
You may agree with me or not, but my my point is that President Bush showed great leadership in refusing to become war weary himself even though the public had.
Now that that's that's a a fairly popular cause to make in conservative circles.
Let's go to 1968.
Vietnam really started to heat up really become front of mind in America 65, 66.
I mean with when it started.
So let's take 66.
Using your two year bracket, which I think is standing up pretty well, by 1968, by 68 America was clearly war weary, would you have suggested then that the newly elected President Nixon uh would have uh Shown leadership in in 69 and 70 by saying, hey, uh to all these college kids and everybody else that's sick of Vietnam, I am staying the course and I am going to win.
Is that apples and apples?
Well, you know, another thing I was going to say is you can't every situation isn't identical.
But in you know, if he is elected to office, if Nixon was elected to office, and and he's gotta make he's gotta look at that vision that America has, whether he should push it forward or not.
You know, and I do think that's applicable there too, because you know, whatever decision he happens to think was right, he had to go with that vision.
It's not just about changing things to what you think.
It's about continuing America's vision.
And you know what?
If that really wasn't America's vision, then he was kind of fighting an empty cause.
Yeah.
Uh thoroughly decent analysis.
Thank you.
Thank you very much, Faith, appreciate it.
No two wars are apples and apples, I guess, eh?
Everything is I gotta win Canadian on the earth.
No tour alike, eh?
Um Brooklyn and Canada.
Uh every single chapter of history.
These chapters of history have certain similarities.
There's a thread that runs through them, but I guess, especially in terms of wars, they are evaluated through the lens of what our national attitudes are at the time, of what is at stake in a given war.
And if you take Vietnam and the current war on terror, this is a fascinating juxtaposition to make.
At least I hope it is.
We're we are attacked on 9-11, and in not the first act of war against us from the terrorist world, the bombing of the coal, the bombing of those very same World Trade Centers, Cobar Towers, our embassies in Africa, act of war after act of war after act of war after act of war.
But the one on 9-11 pushed our nation and President Bush onto a war footing so that we actually came back at these people by being on a war footing with them after they had been on a war footing with us forever.
And the country was, as many are prone to nostalgically recall, united.
A war to topple some regimes, uh, and Saddam was the most misbehaving regime in the part of the world that wants to kill us, a thoroughly decent place to start.
Neighboring Afghanistan, which may well have housed a lot of the Al Qaeda folks, including Osama bin Laden himself.
Thoroughly decent place to go alongside, maybe more to come.
Everybody was on board for a little while.
Then everybody went to their respective corners.
You know, and I either grew war-weary or, and this is what saddens me more than anything else.
I believe that a ton of Democrats, as as the entire country coped and started to forget that 9-11 had really happened, and I don't mean forget it like you forget where your car keys were.
Of course, you can't forget 9-11, but you can banish it from the portion of your brain that really makes it continue to mean something.
Darrell Worley's have you forgotten the great song.
Doesn't mean have you forgotten that it happened, of course, but have you forgotten how you felt?
And for millions of Americans, it was totally true.
They'd completely lost touch with the righteous and proper indignation of September 12th and 13th and 14th and 15th and the days that followed.
So the stakes there were a portion of the world filled with terrorists, not that wanted to even necessarily bomb more of our major cities, but maybe explode a post office in Indianapolis or a shopping mall uh in Tampa or or who knows what.
This is unlike any war we have ever fought, fought.
These are not people in uniform.
That's why the Geneva Conventions don't apply, thank you.
Uh it's it's I mean, World War I, World War II, we're worried about the you know Germans and Japanese and are we gonna have uh, you know, uh attacks launched on our our shores from uh enemy boats lurking offshore, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
This is nothing like that.
This is about people sneaking into America and maybe setting off some horrible bio warfare attack at the subways of New York City.
Even that can't keep us focused.
We grow weary Of trying to stop that from happening.
I guess in that context, it's not so hard to look back at Vietnam and realize how a country just got tired of fighting communism.
And if I may be allowed, I will continue to lament that we did not finish the job in Vietnam because I believe that we could have.
I really believe we could have.
Wouldn't have been easy.
But stemming the spread of communism in Southeast Asia was then and is now noble.
Did we do it right?
No.
But those names on that wall and those who came back from that war, I will be forever in their debt for the nobility of their cause.
All righty.
Let's see what other noble causes or ignoble causes we can examine as we work our way through the final half hour of the Rush Limbaugh show.
I'm Mark Davis filling in.
Be right back.
And a go-go's tune that is appropriate because that's exactly where Rush is, a vacation, all he ever wanted.
Vacation.
Gotta get away.
Gotta play some golf.
And I hope the weather is good and the scores are low for Rush, and he'll be back with you next week.
Mark Stein in tomorrow and Thursday, Walter Williams on Friday, and I just tell you, I join you in looking forward to listening to them.
Thank you for all the time you've been lucky and lucky.
I've been lucky.
You've been kind uh to give to me.
Let's get back to some more of your calls, a couple of things to add as we return to the phonage.
Um things you need to understand about this January 19, 2010 uh special election date for filling the remaining two years of Senator Kennedy's term.
Number one, is that a one-shot free-for-all, or is there a primary?
The answer is there will be a primary.
The primary for the January 19th election will be held on December 8th.
So all the Democrats who are running and uh all the Republic and the tilting at windmills Republicans who will be running, uh, they will uh do battle on December 8th, and then uh the Republican and Democrat will duke it out on January 19, 2010.
Now, does this mean because I did all of the this uh um uh waxing uh semi-eloquent on the notion of living out the rest of uh of this year without the Kennedy seat.
Does that mean that Governor Duvall Patrick has punted the idea of changing the laws of Massachusetts so that he can uh so that he can appoint a replacement?
No, he has not uh divorced himself from that at all.
Quote from Governor Patrick, I will continue to work with the legislature on legislation authorizing an interim appointment to the United States Senate for the five months until that special election happens.
So they're gonna try to move heaven and earth to make sure that somebody, somebody, is in there.
Among those who have been discussed as possible interim successors, obviously uh Ted Kennedy's uh widow, Vicky, she once again, uh this was at a press conference yesterday, Governor Patrick said that he had spoken with Mrs. Kennedy, and she's just not interested in the job.
I have to just chuckle.
Do you believe that there is a possibility?
And I just I I I feel warm inside just for Rush.
I feel warm inside for him, the return of Michael Dukakis to uh to the public stage.
Oh my heavens, that's sweet.
Also former Democrat National Committee Chairman Paul Kirk.
Possibility there.
Uh politico, here's a Michael Falcone piece, Politico interviewed Dukakis on Monday.
He declined to comment uh on whether he would uh accept a temporary appointment, but he said he fully supported the push to change the succession law.
Of course he does.
Oh my.
I think it's very important that Massachusetts have two senators as soon as possible.
Really?
Really?
Isn't it funny how none of you in the Massachusetts Democratic Party felt that way when Ted Kennedy himself got the law changed to the way it is now because John Kerry was supposedly going to go be president, which thank God didn't happen, but that was going to be a vacancy, and who was going to get to appoint someone to fill that?
Well, that would be then Governor Mitt Romney.
Now that's somehow different, isn't it?
Can't can't have that.
Can't have that.
But if it's a Democrat governor, woo-hoo, all about the appointment.
Well, we'll see how that all shakes out in the People's Republic of Massachusetts.
Let's go up close to Massachusetts and every it's so weird.
Speaking of of waxing, waxing nostalgic about uh the whole experience of covering campaign 08, and I went everywhere and did shows from everywhere.
And of course, the year started in the snows of Iowa and then the melting snows of New Hampshire i for the primaries in 08, which is now every bit of a year and a half ago.
Every bit of a year and a half ago.
Know what that means?
Means that I'm back in two and a half years, two and a half short years.
I'm I'm slogging through the snow, or whatever's left of it.
It was it was crazy warm in New Hampshire for the 08 primary, after being four degrees in Des Moines.
And uh this pastime, of course, wide open for Democrats, wide open for Republicans.
I think I'll presume that President Obama will not have any primary challengers.
Hmm.
Might want a mulligan on that to throw in some limbaugh vacation golf uh uh uh terminology.
As soon as I said it, I'm I sort of wanted it back.
How bad do things have to get before the Democrats offer up a um a possible primary challenger to Obama don't get ahead, don't get ahead of me.
I don't think she would do that.
I don't think she would do that.
Would Hillary step out of the State Department for the I Told You So Tour 2012.
Uh I don't know, man.
And that whole that whole the specter of all of that is so odd and so rare.
And we just sort of spent a lot of time talking about that with the the the passing of Senator Kennedy because that's about the last time that we we got something like that.
A sitting president, a serious challenge from uh uh a big star in the party because that sitting president had been such an abysmal failure.
That's Kennedy challenging Carter, nineteen eighty.
Hmm.
Hm mm-mm.
I mean, I know that that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton duked it out, the first close convention battle in forever, but neither one of them was was an incumbent.
That was wide open seat.
So anyway, two and a half years, ready to get back to the granite state, and always a pleasure to go there on the Rush Limbaugh show.
In New Market, New Hampshire, Bill, Mark Davis, you're on Russia's program, and it's nice to have you.
Hello.
Hi, Mark.
How are you doing?
Doing great, thank you.
Uh as a former uh training supervisor on Navy, the subject of leadership is something I've often discussed.
Um first and foremost, leadership has nothing to do with being in charge.
And the second thing is leadership is the ability to properly assess the situation and do what has to be done.
Simple as that.
Um obviously President Bush, when it came to Afghanistan and Iraq, showed leadership, whether the country was with him or not.
Uh unfortunately the president we have now will, you know, lie, cheat, steal, and drag us all into doing something that we aren't good for ourselves because it's something in his agenda.
Um case in point, uh mutinies succeed because not because of the first guy who steps forward, because of the second guy that steps forward and supports the mutineers.
Uh the old World War II movies where the guys are pinned down on the beach, officers are all dead, one of them says, I'm getting off this beach, and they all get up and rally and win the battle.
You know.
That's leadership.
It's not necessarily doing the right thing or the the popular thing.
It's doing what must be done.
All right, let me uh I've I've been following.
I have a couple of questions.
Okay.
Uh you started out, you you got a curious quote.
Leadership has nothing to do with being in charge.
That's right.
I I I think do you mean by that there are plenty of people who are in charge, but that doesn't mean that they are leaders.
That's correct.
Um, okay, good.
Okay, very good.
S second thing is at the end of of your essay, which I thoroughly enjoyed, uh leadership is uh make sure I'm not misquoting.
You said it's n not about not about doing the right thing, but about doing the It's about doing it is about doing the right thing.
Okay, thank you.
I totally misunderstood that.
Yeah, you gotta properly assess the situation and then do the right thing.
Well, then here then here's what's tricky.
Uh uh obviously in the Democratic Party, w the we we have a president and a ton of people who would absolutely swear on a stack of Bibles if if they could see fit to find one.
Uh that they are that that they I know the easy joke, find a Koran.
Uh uh that that they're doing the right thing, and that they are displaying exactly the kind of courage in the face of criticism that they would probably tell us.
This is what the president that most that many of you admire for the war effort when when when everybody went south on the war, President Bush stayed steadfast and you guys love that.
Well, everybody's going south on health care, and we're staying steadfast with that, isn't it the same thing?
To which you would say what?
No, it's not because it's also the motivation behind it.
Um this president doesn't believe in personal freedom.
He believes in government.
President Bush, on the other hand, you know, maybe was imposing freedom on Iraqis, but it's still he was believing in freedom.
I I think that's I I think that's golden.
Uh Bill, thank you.
I I so appreciate it.
I I've always I've always chuckled at that uh we because people used to say that.
Uh Mark, how dare we impose freedom on these people?
Excuse me.
I mean, and I sort of know what they mean.
There's some societies that have never known what this is what this is like.
And and they are very comfy in in the the uh in the womb that uh the that that totally totalitarianism can on occasion provide.
Rape rooms, oh, that's a bummer, but you know, at least Saddam had things orderly.
You know, communism, yeah, well, we don't have a whole lot of freedom, but uh we don't have uh but uh in in Cuba communism, well, sure, we don't have a lot of rights, but boy, check those literacy rates.
You can always find some way to positively spin socialism, communism, whatever you like.
Um the whole what a fascinating time we've had today with the definition of leadership.
And what it comes down to is this.
If we salute President Bush for showing leadership in staying steadfast when America went south on the war, but we don't say that Democrats are being steadfast leaders in staying with health care when the public goes south on that.
There must be something totally different about the nature of the beasts involved, the war versus health care.
And that's sort of what I started off with today.
That a war in progress is something that you should be able to gather an entire nation around and say, look, we could argue about whether we got in there, but we did.
And once we're in there, we're gonna stay with it for the troops and for the national interest involved.
Health the health care debate carries with it no such obligation.
We can either do or not do either side.
We can do government, we can do private sector.
We can do Obamacare, we can do free market options.
They're just uh they're open to us.
There's no enormous moral obligation to occupy one side or the other of the health care debate.
I obviously feeling the way I do about free markets and about uh uh uh about um the private sector believe that there is a a pr not again, not biblically, not even ethically, but sort of in political morality, which seems like a contradiction in terms, there is a a sense of rightness in what guides you politically.
Our the conservative quest to reduce taxes is is not just a political aim.
I believe that it carries with it elements of morality.
The quest by conservatives to uh r to to reduce spending is not just because I want to spend less for the practicality of it, but because I think that that is a uh a better stewardship almost in the biblical sense of the money that's entrusted to government.
And um and when it comes to health care, uh I I even take an even deeper moral stance on whether government should be involved in end-of-life care, uh uh reducing the options available to people who are sick.
That's not just nuts and bolts policy wonk talk.
It's not.
I I think they're big issues of of objective right and wrong here.
All righty, let's objectively get into a break and uh come right back.
1-800-282-2882, Mark Davis in for Rush Limbaugh, and we will continue.
As time runs short in the waning moments of the Tuesday Rush Limbaugh Show, Mark Davis filling in.
What a great time today, and yesterday too.
Thanks very much.
Tomorrow uh and uh Thursday, Mark Stein, Friday, Walter Williams can't get out of here without revisiting a chapter in from the middle of yesterday's show.
Do you remember the gentleman who called and said that he had seen Juilliams on C-SPAN and wondered if I'd heard uh a reference that Juan had made about a a new set of founding fathers, new founding fathers.
And I said, Well, you know, uh I personally don't need new founding fathers.
I'm big fans of the original ones, but who was he talking about?
I mean, was it the Obama administration?
Was it Pelosi Democrats?
I mean, the wiggles.
I mean, who who are we talking about?
And and the and the gentleman, and I don't fault him for this at all, uh uh didn't have the the whole context.
So I said, well, let me go take a look for this.
So I'm sitting here doing the show, and by the time we're done, I've got some very nice answers from some people who were kind enough to send me to a C-SPAN interview from just about a month ago.
And uh the interview uh at one point visited Juan's book Eyes on the Prize, a retrospective about the civil rights movement.
And the question arose about whether there'd be some other book in the near future, and Juan talked about his fascination with Malcolm X, who he apparently thought had a more profound influence on societal change than did Dr. King.
And he spoke of them and leaders of the civil rights movement, okay, as quote, the founding fathers of the new America.
There you go.
Well, uh I I kind of understand uh the the the metaphor there.
It's way more hyperbolic than I would ever use.
I do not discern from that uh an an attempt in coining that to somehow give the back of Juan's hand to the original founding fathers.
So uh I will I will stand by the the uh friendly skepticism that I've that I showed after speaking to that gentleman.
And I'm I'm glad to uh glad to tell you what uh what Juan said, and thanks very much for the the impromptu research team that threw together the the link to where that is on C SPAN.
All right.
Uh with that, let's roll to uh horse country in the middle of the beautiful state of Florida.
O'Cala's the place, and John, Mark Davis, you're in for rush.
Hi.
Mark, great job today.
I wanted to say that first off, and shout out to Rush Limbaugh.
About 13 years ago, yeah, I was a conservative by listening to his show.
Uh I want to also say that I'm a growing minority.
I'm a conservative uh Christian.
Uh and I want to say that uh my president.
My president, my president, Barack Obama.
I want him to stop using uh comparison between him and Abraham Lincoln and him and Martin Luther King Jr.
Uh Abraham Lincoln freed the slave, not made slave, and Martin Luther King had a dream, not a nightmare.
Well, I gotta tell you, uh this these are folks who view themselves in that lofty legacy, and I think the distinctions you draw are wise.
And I and Rush appreciates your kind words, and I appreciate you because we're gonna let you pretty well be the final call of the day, John.
Thank you.
I'm I said a word or two uh yesterday about black conservatives and about the uh uh uh uh the genuine heroism, uh the the feeling of uh I I mean there's ca capital H heroes like our troops and cops and firefighters, and then they're heroes because you're walking in a tough part of life.
To be black and conservative is hard, uh, and I just hugely appreciate those who are, because they've really got to stick to their guns like every day in terms of just conversations that probably come up with with folks they know every day.
So appreciate you enormously with a special asterisk there, sir.
And let's come back with a final word or two, maybe three if we can fit it on the Rush Limbaugh Show when we come back.
It is always uh an unparalleled joy uh to uh to fill in for Rush.
Uh just the pleas to be a part of the legacy is uh is self-evidently humbling, and to hang out with uh with Kit and Mike and the and the folks through my headphones who make it a joy, that's one thing.
But what really makes it cook is you, uh the Limbaugh.
There's nothing any better.
Mark Stein enjoys it tomorrow and the next day, Walter Williams on Friday.
So till we get together again next time, I'm Mark Davis, bringing you greetings from the Dallas Fort Worth area.
My radio home, WBAP.com.
If you want to read stuff, I've scribbled Dallas News.com/slash opinion.
Follow me in that crazy world of Twitter if you wish, and that's all one word, Mark Davis, M A R K Davis, all on Twitter.
Uh once you get bone up on uh some of tomorrow's hosts, go to Stein Online, S-T-E-Y-N, see uh some of Mark's comments on the George Will column on Afghanistan.
They'll probably touch on that and many more things when he fills in tomorrow.
In the meantime, thanks, Rush.
I'm Mark Davis, God bless our country and our troops.
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