Just honored to be uh part of that list, a list that includes Mark Stein, who'll be with you tomorrow in Thursday, and Walter Williams with you on Friday to wrap up the week.
I'm Mark Davis at WBAP in Dallas Fort Worth, Texas, and let's get to a couple of things that I promised you, and then some more of your phone calls at 1-800-282-2882 in the uh hot, literally hot uh breaking news uh category.
I've I I it's funny because some things just are not talk show topics, or you don't think that they are.
You know, floods, hurricanes, fires, what is there to disagree about on those?
Uh it's like, well, it isn't that terrible, and then you just move on.
But a whole wildfire thing, uh, I've found myself thinking about uh uh portions of Los Angeles.
I love going to LA.
It's a fun trip.
It's it's uh it's a it's a neat place.
Uh love New Orleans, but I I wonder if there's sort of a common theme and a common thread here for I guess most of New Orleans, which is below sea level, and portions of greater Los Angeles, which are up in this dry, windswept, brushy country, which is going to catch fire from time to time.
It it's nature does this.
So the theme I guess I'm exploring here with you is when you choose to live in a place that where nature is going to kick you in the teeth every once in a while.
Floods and fires and other apocalyptic things.
So let's uh let's explore that.
And and one of the points of departure will be a passionate column that a gentleman has written.
Is New Orleans still needs us is the theme.
Well, not so much will be my reply, and and we'll we'll talk a little bit.
And that's not out of distaste for New Orleans.
I love it.
It's a great place.
I I want it I I want it reborn.
I want its post-Catrina history to be of a prop probably a smaller town, and maybe somewhat differently distributed.
And I and I don't say this cavalierly that a lot of people just didn't need to live where they were living.
That that there's plenty to like about New Orleans and plenty to make New Orleans hospitable for homes and businesses and such, but some places that just aren't.
And to have government rush in and throw money down a rat hole, often literally, uh to uh to create demand for homes and businesses where there is none to make it look like there's demand for homes and businesses where there is none, that's just not the way to spend taxpayer dollars.
There's a little sentence I've had carried around with me in my pocket ever since Katrina.
New Orleans should be rebuilt to the extent that people want to go back and live and work there.
The degree to which New Orleans will be rebuilt is the degree to which people want to go back and live there and work there.
There are a ton of people, and some of them live right here in Texas with me, who said, you know something?
Still root for LSU, still love those saints, but I ain't living here anymore.
And if they said that, then they'd said that.
Now there are plenty of others who said, that's my home, it's my life.
Uh maybe they're natives, maybe they're not.
And they said, I'm going back.
Okay.
Okay, but recognize the risks, please.
And while we're on the subject of where government ought and ought not to go, time for a Cash for Clunkers update.
I was listening, you remember the day that Cash for Clunkers went away?
Thank God we stopped the charade of giving people money to do the exp the government expenditures that drive me the most insane are when we hand taxpayer money to people for things they ought to be doing themselves.
And all Cash for Clunkers did in so many cases is free up beer, smokes, and crack money for people's like, hey, right, I I had a thousand dollars put away, I was gonna save another grand and get a new car.
I don't have to now.
Kegs on me drove me nuts.
Now, were there people, good hard working folks, falling on some tough times, having a tough time setting that money aside for the car, and cash for clunkers enabled them to get a car.
Yes, I understand.
But that didn't make it a good idea.
Those hardworking people who were in the process of of putting money away should have continued to do so until the golden day when they can afford to buy themselves a car.
The government shouldn't be buying people cars.
I can't believe I have to say this.
But I do.
So when um so when this um this silly idea took flight.
I remember thinking, and I remember saying, All right, everybody's smiling now.
Car buyers smiling.
There's a car I can suddenly afford thanks to taxpayers from Sacramento Disconnected.
I remember dealers thinking, I'm happy.
Actual human beings in the showroom.
Woo-hoo.
I wondered how long the smiles would last in those dealer showrooms when they got to the part of the equation that involved getting the money from the government.
Do you really want to be in a position under this regime to have this White House owe you money?
Boy.
I I've had friends that I wouldn't give a dime to.
God love them, but they're just absurdly irresponsible.
Okay, a dime, maybe.
Anything more than that, because I just know I'm never going to see it back.
Well, this dealing with this administration would engender even greater skepticism.
And for those automakers that did, that skepticism is uh well founded.
Automakers are going to release their monthly sales reports today, and they're expected to show the first year-to-year increase since 2007.
Cash for clunkers gets the credit, but local car dealers are still waiting for the cash.
During the month-long program.
There's a place called Billion Automotive, taking a look at this uh one particular outfit in California, I believe.
Place called Billion Automotive, sold close to a thousand vehicles, but has only been reimbursed for 272 of them.
Verne Eyed has sold over 200 cars, has been paid for 27 of them.
Billion automotive cashed in during Cash for Clunkers, but owner Dave Billion, oh, that can't be real.
There's a guy named Dave Billion is still waiting for the rest of his money from the government-run program.
3.2 million dollars.
Wow.
Actually, let me get this right.
It's just from the K call letters in out California, K-E-L-O.
We're talking uh Sioux Falls, South Dakota.
So big shout out to you folks.
So whether in South Dakota, South Carolina, East Coast, West Coast, all around, car dealers.
I'm sure they enjoyed the traffic.
That's great.
Hey, government's gonna give me money.
I'm gonna give you this car for you know three thousand dollars less, and then I'll get the money back from the government.
Right.
All right.
Let's take a look at um let's take a look at additional government expenditure issues.
Where government money ought to go.
It's and it's hard, it's easy to sit here and say, here's where government money ought to go, here's where it shouldn't.
In some ways it's a very, very easy conversation to have.
Um in talking about the Teddy Kennedy legacy, so many things that people said in admiration of him.
It was always about health, it was always about education.
Well, well, guess what?
These are things the quality of which aren't should not be gauged by how many trillions of dollars of government money are devoted to making them better.
In terms of health, we cared for people m much better.
The the the truly needy, the sick, were cared for, I believe, a lot better when churches and private charities did it, as opposed to when government entered what your Friday host, Walter Williams calls the benevolence industries.
And education do not get me started.
Education.
Education is none of the federal government's business.
So you'll excuse me if somebody part of somebody's legacy is countless trillions of Federal dollars spent on education.
Well, education is a lofty goal.
Federal spending on education helped create the enormous expansionist collectivist government that I think I have some company here that is now lamentable.
So sometimes it's hard to make that argument, but here's where it here's where it sometimes is hardest, and that is when you take a look at something as tragic as Katrina.
So here are the heartfelt views of a uh we're back in the pages of the New York Daily News.
In fact, I tripped over this yesterday while we were looking at that uh the that that ridiculous Mike Lupica column about Ted Kennedy.
Memo to Mike, stick to sports, man.
Keeps you likable.
Foof.
But anyway, here is Errol Lewis in the New York Daily News.
Four years after Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans still needs us.
Well, okay, here we go.
Errol writes.
On this, the fourth anniversary of the destruction of New Orleans, let us resolve to replace the political heat of accusation with the penetrating light of reason.
Well, good luck with that.
The single most important thing to know is that the city remains vulnerable to another big hurricane strike.
Its flood protection system must be completely re-engineered, a project that will cost billions.
Errol.
Errol.
Maybe not, my friend, maybe not.
As I've said, I wasn't being flippant when I said sometimes God shows us where not to live.
It takes work to think the matter through.
Like many who fell in love with pre-katrina, New Orleans, I find it hard to avoid getting carried away by sadness and rage.
Errol, maybe that is maybe that same sadness and rage has sucked the objectivity right out of your head.
My family in the city include an aunt who lost everything, a cousin on the police force, and another who's a social worker.
In fact, my family held a reunion in the city a few weeks before the storm.
The personal loss for us is considerable.
For those remaining locked into the stale narrative of blame, there's more than enough to go around.
We all know there was poor preparation by local agencies, mostly Democrats, and a famously botched response by federal emergency officials, mostly Republicans.
Very even handed of you, Errol, thank you.
We know that heroic media reporting, particularly by the Times Picky U newspaper was accompanied by wild, false rumors of cannibalism and vigilante violence.
Four years later, New Orleans has taken impressive steps toward recovery.
Following a drastic reduction in population, the number of households in the city now stands at 77% of its pre-hurricane total.
While blight remains a problem, 31% of New Orleans residential housing stock remains unoccupied.
The city issued 1,420 permits for new construction in May, nearly double the number issued in the same month last year.
Errol, isn't this self-evident?
Proof that it's kind of working.
The people who want to come back are coming back.
And if 31% of New Orleans residential housing stock remains unoccupied, that's the marketplace talking.
This is called folks who don't want to go back and live there.
And part of the reason they might not want to go back and live there is because the city is below sea level.
And it's it's incredibly risky to live there.
For reengineering the entire flood protection system.
Man, I just don't know.
For that same amount of money, couldn't you take everybody that's living there, manage to somehow survive somehow, can't move, we could almost buy them a new house.
Upstate for that kind of money that it takes to repair this uh it's just throwing good money after bad, isn't it?
Now this is where it really gets hard.
Because this is a magnificent American city filled with real human beings.
I don't take this lightly.
I don't sit here cavalierly and say, you know something?
Maybe 77% is about as much in New Orleans as is going to come back.
But maybe it is.
And the question must always be not how do our heartstrings get tugged by stories of Katrina aftermath.
But what is the clear-eyed, objective best expenditure of our tax money?
That must be the basis for the decision making.
And I know in many ways I'm asking the impossible.
And I just for Errol, I can only imagine what it's like as an actual New Orleans guy.
I understand.
But and you know what?
And if it was the state of Louisiana getting together to do this whole thing, knock yourselves out.
You know, if you want to start a fund, might send it some money.
But the notion of reaching into the pockets of people from Oregon to Maine to rebuild New Orleans, mm-mm.
That's a tough sale, man.
That's a tough sale.
1-800-282-2882, Mark Davis in for Rush, and we'll continue in just a moment with your call.
It is the Rush Limbaugh Show, 1-800-282-2882, Mark Davis filling in for Rush from deep in the heart of Texas.
I think we're about to go to Louisiana for a couple of calls because here was the gentleman's column, uh a passionate call for billions of more dollars for rebuilding New Orleans, and um boy, I I just I just don't see a lot of American appetite for that.
And then when you take a look at at disasters, what's filling our newscasts right now, uh, of course, is the imagery of these fires.
LA Times editorial today.
Was the still air a blessing or a curse?
The dearth of breeze kept the station fire from burning even more disastrously out of control at the same time that it corralled ash and heat, making for miserable air quality.
Most tellingly, though, it was a sign, just one of many, that the length and severity of wildfire seasons are worsening.
The worst fires typically occur around October, when Santa Ana winds and brush that's been drying in the hot sun since April combine to fuel deadly blazes.
Yet the fire in the Angeles National Forest has consumed more than 105,000 acres without a gust to be felt.
That is good, in part because the exceptional dryness of the vegetation after years of drought.
If it weren't for the evacuations and the lives and buildings lost, this would be considered one of the more environmentally acceptable fires.
Wow, love that term.
Environmentally acceptable fires.
Southern California's scrub and chaparral depend on an occasional burning.
Many plants, in fact, are fire followers that evolved to sprout up after a conflagration.
Fire clears areas for growth and deposits fertilizer.
This area in the San Gabriel Mountains hasn't burned for 40 to 60 years, which is in sync with the natural fire cycle for the region.
The LA Times editorial that down at the bottom says, wisely so, fire is inevitable.
Our challenge is learning to live with it.
So I take a look at these people and and their houses just you know flaming up like a cotton ball, and I I have the normal human empathy.
But the other part of me says, do you not see this coming?
Anyway, so sort of s tangentially similar themes there with the Louisiana, but both involving LA, Louisiana or Los Angeles.
All righty, let's go to New Orleans and William Mark Davis.
Hi.
That's the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Glad to have you.
Hey, Mark.
Uh enjoyed having you listening to you.
Two things, and I'm uh born and raised in New Orleans, and so I can give a little bit of my personal thing here.
First of all, it's a great place to live.
Probably a better place to visit at times, but you know, looking from the outside in, I I can understand the frustration people not wanting to send more dollars down here, but I want to step back a little bit further.
I've known since a child, we've seen grass.
If the big storm came, the city would be flooded, nine, ten feet of water.
I think what's the bigger picture here is the poor governance that we have had leading up to this.
I mean, there's a lot of issues of levy integrity from the Corps of Engineers.
They've they've caught the brunt of it, but you know, let's look at at local corruption here.
And you know, a lot of people lately have heard Chicago corruption.
We've had a lot of that down here.
I mean, look at Jefferson.
The uh you know, I think that all of these issues are a result of the last thirty years of leadership.
And so uh, you know, the the city and the state are trying to get back to normal family.
We we do a lot down here for the rest of the country, whether it's oil and gas, whether it's um our seafood industry.
But I just think the bigger picture is here.
What's led up to this?
And I think it's poor governance and the type of thing.
I think that's valid.
And and sure, and from Negan to Blanco to uh to to to Brownie at FEMA for federal to state to city.
There are plenty of places you can accurately point fingers.
But I wonder if I wish I could go back in a time tunnel, have everybody play their A game, from the city to the state to the feds, have Katrina hit and see what would be oh so very, very different.
I mean, I know some things would be, I know, and let me make that rhetorical for the moment because I got a scoot, but but for the half hour.
Um i i it was a huge monster hurricane.
Even the most competent of governance I don't know if it could have changed very, very much.
I don't know.
It is the Rush Limbaugh show for the first day of September, and we're very, very glad to have you here.
I got uh one other uh lady from Lafayette is a point about no matter where you live, a disaster can hit, and then other folks about knowing about the risks.
And then we'll move on to a few other things here on our Tuesday show.
Mark Davison for Rush be right back.
Thanks, everybody.
1-800-282-2882.
Let me add a little topical variety here and uh mix things up a bit, and we'll get back into some folks who want to talk a little bit about uh, you know, choices we make and when government's responsibility uh to what extent there's a government responsibility to help us out of sort of self-created um despair in in terms of making um and again,
I'm not blistering certainly not all of Los Angeles, not not all of LA is on fire yet, uh, and certainly not even all of New Orleans, but they're the I don't know, there are consequences to the decisions we make.
Um I mentioned earlier that uh it's an interesting time for for Afghanistan.
And George Will has written a column that that's I mean, I always pay attention, because I love George Will.
Don't agree with him all the time.
But it's kind of interesting uh that he is calling for U.S. ground troops to leave and stuff essentially stop the nation building.
Forces should be substantially reduced to serve a comprehensive revised policy.
America should do only what can be done from offshore using intelligence drones, or intelligence, comma, drones, comma, cruise missiles, airstrikes, and small potent special forces units.
Concentrating on that porous 1,500 mile border with Pakistan.
Interesting.
The argument is that any nation-building strategy could be impossible to execute, given the Taliban's ability to seemingly disappear into the rugged mountain terrain and the lack of economic development in that war plague nation.
This may be uh a big splash of cold water, uh a bit of a reality check for all of us who envision Afghanistan as part of the Bush vision, if you want to call it that.
Establishing some seeds of democracy that can spread in concentric circles through the part of the world that wants to kill us.
Some places are g well, some places to do that will be hard, some places to do that will be harder, it seems.
Iraq has been hard, but the progress has been magnificent.
So much of that now is up to the Iraqis.
We're not exactly at the point where we can hand things over to the Afghan people and say, here you go, run with that.
Taliban's still way too much a factor.
And we have not had, in at least the last couple of years, the kind of success in Afghanistan that we've had in Iraq since the surge.
And a lot of people have told me over the years, because you know I'm pretty gung-ho about this stuff, but I don't want to be blind.
I don't want to be uh oblivious to to uh those occasions when I might have to rethink, not the rightness of my principles, but the realism of their success.
And what I mean by that is this every time someone has said, well, boy, you know, the Russians certainly got chased out of Afghanistan.
Please, haven't you had this happen to you?
Yeah, it's the Russians.
We'd like to think we can do better in a war setting than the Russians did.
Well, maybe not.
In which case, without abandoning the principle of Afghanistan, the George Will column may well have a point.
He's not talking about pulling out and just letting it go.
No, no.
And and not even the Obama White House is doing that.
Remember, Afghanistan is the war that even the left can sort of kind of be okay with some days.
But um the idea is to substantially reduce the forces that are on Afghan soil and use intelligence, drones, cruise missiles, air strikes, small potent special forces units concentrating on the border with Pakistan.
A nation that actually matters, says George Will.
Wow, okay.
So and the juxtaposition of this is kind of interesting because this column comes out the same day that the commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan, General Stanley McCristal, sent an assessment of his chain of command recommending what he calls a revised implementation strategy.
Commitment and resolve, increased unity of effort.
Mike Allen has all of these put together in a very nice politico piece, including a question asked of Defense Secretary Robert Gates.
Are we winning in Afghanistan?
The Gates reply on Bloomberg TV, I think it's a mixed picture.
I think there aren't too many people with too rosy a view of what's going on in Afghanistan.
I think there are many challenges.
But I think some of the gloom and doom is somewhat overdrawn as well.
I think there's some positive developments, but there's no question our casualties are up and there's no question we have a very tough fight in front of us.
A lot of challenges.
Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates.
Casualties are up.
Thank you.
This cries out for context, because I Lord knows we know it would have happened if under the Bush administration someone had said, or the president had said, let's uh let's ramp it up in Afghanistan.
And we got to a point where um, you know, we lost a hundred guys in a month.
I mean, you you could just hear the conniption fits from the media.
Now it it is so sad that I have to make the following point, but I will.
First, it goes without saying that one American life lost is too many, and that every American life lost is a family grieving and a hole in our national heart.
Goes without saying, but I have to say it.
So I guess it doesn't go without saying.
Because we are so historically illiterate.
I I mean, what do you remember when the sum total of the war when it got to 3,000?
Everybody, oh, you the left was waiting for this, man, can't wait until that war dead total got to about as many people as we lost in 9-11, so that they could instantly start to beat the drum and say, we lost more people in the war, this stinking Bush war.
We've lost more people in the war than than we than the Americans that we lost in 9-11, as if that's apples and apples and a point that deserves to be made.
But the point that did deserve to be made as people ran around ripping their hair out at the roots as if 3,000 was some unprecedented American war toll.
I mean, you know what 3,000 is?
I mean, go look at the specific months, but isn't that about a half of the summer of 68 in Vietnam?
I mean, please, don't we all know about the the the 57, 58,000 names that are on the wall there?
I mean, have we forgotten them?
You take a look at the World War II totals, look at the civil war totals.
And I'm not asking people in any way to be cavalier about, you know, the three, four thousand.
In no way am I saying, oh, three, four thousand, ah, that's not so much.
You know that ain't what I'm saying.
But what I am saying is that in a historical comparison of the toll of the wars that we have fought, and I say this as a testament to this magnificent war effort and this magnificent fighting force, the death toll in this war on terror is amazingly low.
And I sure hope it stays that way.
Because we're not done.
We are in no way done.
I just hope I pray to have leaders in Washington who recognize that.
Not just that we're not finished, but that success is worth having.
That these troops who have been there and who are dodging bullets and, you know, uh sidestepping IEDs, sometimes not sidestepping them, uh the and and and and coming home to Dover in boxes, and some of them coming home with uh minus limbs that they were born with, they deserve more than a half-hearted war effort.
If we're gonna do this, let's do this.
And that's a hard pitch to make in in an America that that often seems like it doesn't want to be bothered.
We talked about this some yesterday.
Ten days from now, here comes the eighth anniversary of nine-eleven.
Can we maybe use that to refocus a little bit?
And I don't mean just looking at footage of the planes hitting the towers and gee, I wonder how much footage are we really going to see on 9-11.
Will they really drag that back out, or will that just get us all worked up again to where we might actually uh favor a war that we still know to this moment leaves a bad taste in the commander in chief's mouth.
But can we maybe use 9-11?
And whatever it makes you feel, or whatever it makes you think we ought to do in Iraq or Afghanistan or whatever, can we just at the very very least use it to refocus on what was done to us?
And maybe that'll spark some notion of urgency.
I think I I I know I'm dreaming there, but worth saying nonetheless.
Okay, uh a lot of stuff going on.
We'll hop back into uh to a number of calls on a number of things in our very next segment, and here we go.
Mark Davis filling in for Rush Limbaugh on the EIB network, 1-800-282-2882 to your calls next.
It's the Tuesday Rush Limbaugh Show, this one on the first of September 09.
I'm Mark Davis in Dallas, Fort Worth, Texas, at Proud Rush affiliate WBAP.
Mark Stein, extraordinary writer and pundit and commentator, joins you filling in for Rush tomorrow and Thursday, and then a a real a real jewel in the crown of the history of uh of Rush fill-in hosts Walter Williams, Dr. Walter Williams, on uh on Friday, giving you a constitutional infusion that the country so often needs.
All right, what we need is your thoughts on the show, so let's do it.
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I'm getting a a bunch of of emails from folks uh from folks about uh there there's a uh thing that made the rounds about uh like from Fargo North Dakota or something, uh proud North Dicotons talking about how we're obliterated by blizzards all the time and and we don't go whining to the government for everything and I don't know if that's totally apples and apples,
but I think there is a um I think there's there's a a bit of a point to be made there, and this is some of what the culture of dependency has done to us that uh I wonder how much better uh remember last half hour we talked about how much better uh would the Katrina thing have gone.
Probably a bad way to phrase it.
Might it have been less ruinous if everybody at every level of government, federal, state, and city, had been on top of their game instead of uh of dropping the balls in in a wide variety of ways.
Another way to look at it is is what if some of these folks, these actual folks in the path of Katrina had left or even after it had hit had been, you know, a little more self-reliant, a little more uh, you know, I d I don't know.
It's is is that is that just a horribly unfair thing to say to to ask to somehow transpose the hardiness and self-reliance uh and can do spirit of the blizzard uh uh buried North Dakotans in into the uh the the folks of New Orleans.
Is that uh fair or unfair, you tell me?
1800-282-2882.
And Lafayette, Louisiana, Natty, hi, Mark Davis in Farush.
Pleasure to have you.
How are you?
Hey, I'm good, thank you.
Well, uh what I wanted to say was, you know, no matter where you are, whether it's uh blizzard like North Dakota or an ice storm or drought or tornado flood.
It doesn't matter where you are.
Mother Nature's got to bullet out there for you somewhere.
What we need to be focusing on is preparation of everybody for their particular kind of disaster and the response there to it.
I mean, specifically here in South Louisiana when Camille hit 40 years ago, they knew the levy system in New Orleans needed to be upgraded, and they sat on their hands for 40 years.
It wouldn't cost billions of dollars today if they had started it when you're but you know, and and it's so true, but i isn't it t uh a totally true, b 2020 hindsight.
Uh which is not criticism of your point, because your point is 100 percent correct.
But just as uh and pardon the clumsiness of this connection, 9-11 is what showed us that we've that we've got a terrorism problem.
Uh Barack Obama's radicalism is is what shows us th so some Americans, some sleepy Americans the evils of socialized medicine.
A shuttle explosion is what shows us we got problems with the O-rings.
Uh Katrina is what finally gave people the oomph to to do something about the levies.
It's it's can you imagine let's let's you and you you and I go together into a time tunnel and go back to, you know, nineteen ninety-nine, nineteen eighty-nine, nineteen seventy-nine, and let's make these points and say it's gonna come, it's gonna hit, we gotta spend a bunch of money, we'd we'd get they would nod politely and uh get us out of the room.
Well, yeah, and that's that's part of my other problem is where did we go along the way that personal accountability and being ready for things went out the window.
That now uh somebody else.
This is the easiest generic talk show guy thing to say.
It it is it is it's just the easiest place for me to go, but I would only go there if I felt there was a nugget of truth to it.
And that i that the culture of dependency of government doing everything for us has sapped a large part of the American will.
There are parts of the country where they still seem to have it.
And that's probably unfair.
In every part of the country, there are some people who still seem to have it.
Maybe some areas uh uh more than others.
But th those those places that this is not just an indictment of New Orleans, like fifty other places that have allowed the culture of dependency to uh in to to infect them to supplant what would have otherwise been uh a self-reliant can-do kind of spirit that uh the the these decades of of government from cradle to grave uh have not uh have come at at a cost in dollars,
but it's also come in in terms of a cost to a divot that it is dug into portions of the American character.
If that makes sense to you.
All righty, uh let us all right, let's change some directions when we come back.
We've got some folks about uh about Afghanistan and about how about uh are are we are we always going to be a war weary nation?
And we have some other stories that we haven't even examined yet, so there's plenty more to do.
It's the Rush Limbaugh Show for this Tuesday, the first of September.
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I'm Mark Davis, Infor Rush, and we will continue.
Rush Limbaugh Show for a Tuesday.
Closing uh moments here of the second hour.
I want to give some real props to a guy that's kind of funny where I really have to hand it to him.
I was kind of done with the whole fires in Los Angeles and floods in New Orleans kind of thing.
And we had some calls that were still on that, and just sometimes uh you sometimes the cruel twists of fate, you just gotta change the subject and move on to some other thing.
So in the fine town of Laurie, Missouri, Bob was sitting there ready to make some points about, hey, you pay you pays your money, you take your chances, and rather than face uh uh harsh dismissal, he said, I will change my subject.
So Bob, come at us with the notion of uh of lessons of Vietnam as we talk about war weariness.
It's a pleasure to have you, you versatile thing you Thanks a lot, Mark.
You're doing a great job.
Thanks.
The situation with uh Afghanistan, in my opinion, since in Vietnam we tucked our tails and ran, and now Vietnam is really not a good place to be.
I know that we're starting to do trade with them, but if you look into uh well, for instance, if you read a book called Up Country, which is written by a Vietnam veteran who returned to Vietnam and uh not all that long ago, and witnessed the way their government works and how intimidated their people are by their government.
I think that sometimes when you have radical people in charge and you remove them because you think it's a noble and just cause, uh don't you have to stay the course and finish the job?
Well, y yes.
I mean, if you are it's whether whether Vietnam or uh our status uh with regard to Cuba, if you just all of a sudden decide, uh, let's stop doing this, i it it renders foolish all that has come before.
Uh spectacular analogy, uh a gr a great way to to to wrap up the hour because you know, uh North Vietnam for some may strike uh people as a bad place to be, uh pleasant place to be.