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August 18, 2009, Tuesday, Hour #2

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	Yes, America's Anker Man is away, and this is your undocumented Anchorman filling in today.
	Rush is uh in California doing the family guy, but he will be uh back here tomorrow to take you through the end of the week.
	And he may he may drop a few hints at what it was he was actually singing on the family guy.
	As H.R. pointed out, with the with with Rush's hearing, the key's gonna be a bit hit and miss, isn't it?
	It's kinda kinda good uh I like it.
	I like it uh he rush Rush is very musical.
	I like it when he uh he kind of uh he's got a good sense of rhythm, so he we don't know w we don't know what it it's gonna be like.
	But I'm sure it'll work out.
	He's gonna be singing on uh on the family guy.
	Uh I mentioned Cindy Sheehan uh just a few minutes ago.
	I love I love the Cindy Sheehan would be protesting Bush at Crawford, and there'd be like her and three other people, and there'd be dozens and dozens of camera crews out there covering it, putting her on TV, putting her on uh uh magazine covers, putting her on the front page of all the big newspapers.
	Uh there are thousands and thousands and thousands of people going every few days to these town hall meetings.
	Uh and and uh and Cindy Sheehan is real and authentic, uh but these thousands and thousands of people are AstroTurf, they're evil mongers according to Harry Reed, they're un American according to Nancy Pelosi, uh and they're not representative of America uh according to Arlen Specter.
	But somehow Cindy Sheehan and three other people uh are representative uh of America, or at least they were under the old regime.
	Now Cindy Sheehan is in Martha's Vineyard, she's not representative of anybody.
	She can protest uh Barack Obama to her heart's content, and she's not gonna get uh any uh any coverage for that.
	In s incidentally, it's interesting to me.
	We used to have uh Clinton used to vacation at Martha's Vineyard all the time.
	He used to uh take his summer vacation in the uh Martha's Vineyard and the Hamptons, and he got great press for this uh uh because the uh the journalists like that going out to Martha's Vineyard and the Hamptons to cover him, whereas the then Bush took office and uh all these guys had to fly and spend the summer in Crawford, Texas.
	Which they loathed.
	Uh th there was nothing to do there.
	You could see I think the the charred remains of Waco, that was within a con a convenient twenty minute drive or something.
	But otherwise there's not a lot going on in Crawford and and like all the big shop media guys hated it.
	And uh th they I remember them interviewing they used to interview each other on how there was nothing to do and what they liked about the place.
	I remember the I think it was the CBS guy uh who was interviewing the ABC guy or vice versa, and one of them says, Well, I really like Crawford because you don't have to pay to park your car.
	And it's true, you don't have to pay to park your car in Crawford.
	You barely had to pay to park your house.
	I think you could get a double wide on a two-acre lot for like twelve thousand dollars, something like that in Crawford.
	Uh I believe it used to be sixteen thousand, but then Bush moved in and there goes the neighborhood.
	So it was a uh it was so the the media hated it.
	And uh and so they loved it when Clinton used to vacation at Martha's Vineyard, and he'd get off the plane.
	Do you remember that way?
	I think it was the year of Monica, he got off the plane at Martha's Vineyard, and Carly Simon was there to meet him.
	I don't know whether it was in an official capacity.
	I don't know whether you know she's the uh honorary mayor of Martha's Vineyard or whatever.
	Uh but she was there to receive him at the airport, uh like it would be if he'd flown into Moscow or Beijing or somewhere.
	Uh and uh he uh he rubbed her arms all uh he rubbed his hands all over his back.
	She's got fabulous uh shoulder blades, Carly Simon, and he was sort of like uh running his uh uh running his hands up and down the small of her back.
	And there's nothing like that to do in Crawford, Texas.
	And so the the media must love it that he's back now.
	Uh the President Obama has gone back to the Martha's Vineyard uh vacation.
	Maybe they'll get the Hamptons, East Hampton next year.
	Um the one time Clinton didn't do it, this is like classic Clinton uh thinking.
	Um I think this must be the beginning of his second term.
	Uh uh Dick Morris got uh clinton got Dick Morris to take a poll on where he should have a vacation.
	Can you imagine that?
	That's that's that is one real poll driven president.
	Uh he got Dick Morris to take a poll on on where uh he should vacation.
	And the poll came back saying he should do something outdoorsy and manly.
	And so and so Clinton didn't get to go to Martha's Vineyard and run uh his hands up and down uh Carly Simon's back.
	He had to go and pret have a miserable time pretending to camp and hike uh on the um the uh s uh Snake River in uh up in the mountains, I forget the name of the mountains, up in up in Wyoming.
	And uh that was uh and and he did that because Dick Morris had taken a poll showing that, you know, soccer moms who like outdoors activities would prefer it if Clinton could take his hands off Carly Sebert for a couple of weeks and go and have a more outdoorsy vacation.
	And in the typical way, he took this poll-driven vacation and he came back and his numbers went down.
	So after that he said, to hell with this, we're gonna go and have a vacation in Martha's Vineyard.
	And now we're back, Obama is in Martha's Vineyard, all the media there, and Cindy Sheehan's there too.
	But they're not gonna get then they're not gonna she's not gonna get the coverage uh she would have.
	Um we're we're talking uh health care, uh, because that is the decisive issue.
	Uh if you c if you kill the health care thing, and I mean really kill it, uh not not just uh get some compromise version passed, but if you actually kill this thing stone dead, uh this will be a cautionary tale uh for the President and for the Democratic Party.
	Uh and uh if you don't kill it, it's not just a political thing, it's not something you can undo uh at the uh if if uh uh there's a more favorable House of Representatives or Senate or White House two or four years down the road.
	It's not going to be like that.
	This thing, if it gets passed, will be irreversible.
	And i if you you listen to what so-called right of center parties say about it, uh say about socialized health care in Canada, in Britain, in Europe, uh you'll know that uh conservative poll, once you have socialized health care, conservative politicians who wish to remain electorally viable uh cannot speak out against it, except to promise to reform it.
	But they can't say, let's undo it and let's give you the freeborn citizen uh the right to decide uh how much you want to spend on what kind of medical treatment you think you ought to be getting.
	They can't they can't actually say, let's go back to trusting adult citizens to make their own decisions uh about health care.
	Uh so you'll you'll get a system that will pass and it will be endlessly reformed, but you will never ever uh get rid of it.
	And that is why we need to learn uh the lesson uh that I think Sarah Palin taught us with with the death panels uh that you uh you you don't uh you're not moderate, you're not reasonable, you say no, this is a line we will not cross and speak out against it, put the put the president on the defensive to the point where all the left-wing commentators now are saying uh uh where's Mr. Hopi Changey?
	Why is he equivocating on the public option?
	Uh to the point where Democrats are threatening to abandon him, uh to the point where even his biggest defenders are saying he needs to regain control of the narrative.
	No, no.
	Uh the the president wanted to ram through by August a twelve hundred page bill that would have dramatically transformed in perpetuity the size of government in the United States, uh and he wanted to do that sight unseen.
	He wanted n nobody would have read the bill.
	Arlen Specter would have read the bill, none of these guys would have read the bill.
	Uh and uh as uh John Conyers said, uh there's no point in them reading the bill, because even if they've read it, they wouldn't understand it.
	That's what that's that's what legislation has come down to in this country now.
	Uh you could there's no point asking uh the congressman to read the bill because it's all too complicated and they can't understand it.
	Uh and and so now they're saying now that's been scuttled.
	They're saying, oh no, now if it weren't for all these noisy people shrieking at these town halls, uh we could have a nice, reasonable conv intelligent, thoughtful conversation.
	The American people are crying out for an intelligent, thoughtful conversation on health care.
	Sorry, you didn't want to have that.
	You wanted us to pass the bill by the beginning of August, sight unseen, unread, unwritten at the point at which it passed.
	Uh and then after it had passed and it was a feta complet, then you wanted to have the nice thoughtful conversation.
	Sorry, it's too it's too late for that.
	It's too late.
	Uh what is needed uh is to uh is to actually understand the implications of this thing, because it's all very loosely written and loosely worded, and there'll be a thousand pages of regulations arising from every little rinky dink nothing subclause.
	Uh what is what is important is to understand what is at stake here, and what is at stake uh is the right of uh citizens to decide with their doctors uh what it is that is in their best medical interests.
	And you know, and people say, oh, well my insurance company doesn't let me do that anyway, my particular plan doesn't cover this, won't do that.
	In the end, uh that that may tr may that may be true, but in the end you still have the freedom uh to get out your checkbook and write a check for whatever it is you want done uh or uh you know, if it if it comes to that, sell your house or sell your car.
	But you don't even have that freedom under government systems.
	I mentioned British Columbia earlier where they've said they've just announced a fifteen percent cut in elective surgeries.
	Uh and so if you uh if you're one of the fifteen percent of elective surgeries who's been cut, that's not gonna happen.
	That's it.
	You can't get that surgery in anywhere in British Columbia, you can't get it anywhere in the Dominion of Canada.
	You have to go to a foreign country uh if you want to have that procedure.
	Uh because in a sense, uh they've made it uh illegal uh for you for for you to have that uh off your own volition uh in your own country.
	A government bureaucrat has the say in whether you get that surgery or not.
	And that's what's at issue here, and all the rest is details.
	The the key word in death panels, by the way, is not death.
	People keep saying, Oh, well, no, we're not gonna have a death panel.
	It's not going to be three people who'll decide that you're gonna die and the other fellow's gonna live.
	The point about the death panels isn't the death, it's the panel.
	It's government bureaucrats deciding uh on how much money should be spent on hip operations each year, on angioplasties each uh each year, uh on catheters each year.
	The minute that becomes uh a government bureaucrats decision, you no longer have control.
	Uh Mark Stein, Infor Rush 1800-282-2882.
	We'll take your calls straight ahead.
	Mark Stein, Info Rush on the EIB network.
	Let's go to Rich in Moscow Mills, Missouri.
	Uh Rich here on the Rush Limbaugh Show.
	Great time you work.
	Um I wonder if those guys down in Texas when they go down there, I wonder if they'd rather spend some time in Moscow Mills, Missouri, instead of down in Texas.
	Well, you uh does Moscow Mills make Crawford look like Vegas.
	Uh is it not the uh is not the liveliest town in Missouri?
	Well, I was just thinking the name might be appropriate.
	Oh, right, I see.
	They might they might get a little homey feeling.
	Oh, yeah, the the uh confusion though my God, I I booked through US Air, I I was all set to tour the Kremlin and look at Lenin's tomb, and they sent me and my luggage to Moscow Mills, Missouri.
	Yeah, you you I hate it when that happens.
	Why are you name Moscow Mills since we were You know, I haven't researched it, I've been here a couple of years.
	Oh, right.
	Okay, okay.
	Uh but uh the reason I called um by the way, I enjoy every time you're on.
	Well, that's that's that's nice uh that's nice of you to say.
	It's it's a great honor for a foreigner to be behind this microphone.
	Well, I don't think of you as a foreigner, I think of you as a fellow conservative.
	Oh, great.
	That's the that's the that's the citizenship of the world.
	That's great.
	Well we sure need them in that country.
	Yeah, no, no, that's uh that's that's true.
	Doing the uh the doing the jobs uh not enough Americans will do.
	Although we'll talk about the little poll on uh conservatism a little later too.
	Uh but you you you were calling about health care.
	Yes, sir, and and you know, I agree obviously with everything you've said up to this point.
	Um the reason I called was I got up today.
	I'm retired, and uh you know, I've been following it, not uh in great detail, although I do listen to Rush, and I and I I watch what the news periodically and and and you know it's gotten to the point where it's redundant, the arguments.
	And so it's kind of settled in with me, you know, it's kind of like repetitious, and I think with the most most Americans, we all understand uh how what's at stake, how great it is, what it can do to our country.
	I think it's a tremendous uh problem, obviously, to say the least, if it does get passed.
	So I'm I'm kinda in the ball game, I understand what's at stake, and then today I I happen to catch a clip that uh President Obama says it's just a sliver.
	Come on, now lighten up you guys.
	You know that listen to the media, they'll search you straight.
	It's just a sliver.
	And I thought, you know, every politician in Washington, D.C., all the congressmen, all the senators.
	If I know in the center of Missouri that this is a con, what he just said, that all he needs is that sliver.
	If I know it, everybody in Washington, D.C. knows the big lie.
	That that it starts, as you've been saying all morning.
	It starts that way, but it's gonna grow and grow.
	And it just I almost need psychotherapy.
	Yeah, it's uh it's energized me.
	It's always a th a thin sliver a at the at the point at which it's coming towards you, and uh it's as wide as a barn uh by the time they get they they get they get through with it.
	Uh and you're right, he's being very he keeps saying, Oh, the public option isn't the entirety of the plan uh and all the rest of it.
	And he keeps saying uh he he keeps making these little rhetorical concessions, but he's gotta get that sliver through the door.
	And if he gets that sliver through the door, he can he can ram the rest in.
	The other the other thing I find interesting, Rich, when you uh see uh see uh Obama on the road as he is trying to sell this uh thing uh and prop it up, and doing it in purple states, basically.
	He was in New Hampshire, he was in co Colorado.
	He was uh in purple states that turn blue uh last uh last uh fall.
	And and he he's worried that they might be getting a little bit red again.
	So he's going there and he's uh and he's talking it up.
	And we're told he's the silver tongued orator.
	He's not anymore.
	He's he's punchy and rambling when you see him.
	He can't come up with a compelling health care rationale for what he's proposing.
	Uh and that's why people think that in fact uh what's attractive to him about it is the government the government control aspect rather than the medical aspect, because he's been unable to come up with a compelling uh medical rationale uh for what he's doing.
	And that's that's why he's having to make all these concessions uh about uh a sliver of this and a sliver of that.
	Thank thanks for your call, uh Rich.
	Uh it is it is true the president who was supposed to be, you know, the greatest the greatest orator since Lincoln, if not Socrates, uh has been a complete bust on this issue.
	Yeah, he taught he he this was his plan or non plan, and he talked himself into the hole he's in.
	Uh and I I I found this uh interesting because I liked his voice last year.
	I thought he had this mellifluous baritone, and I found it appealing.
	He was like uh he wasn't uh he was like i it even if what he was saying was complete hogwash, I enjoyed hearing him say it.
	And I notice now he's gone up kind of half an octave.
	He's sounding shriller.
	He's he's he's Yeah, but even it sounds like he's been listening to Rush speeding up his voice and is now trying to talk at the speed of the right.
	He said when that uh high school student asked him that lethal question in Colorado, he said he was all like shrill and squeaky.
	He's uh he he's sounding like his own Rush Limbaugh uh uh taped version of Obama now.
	Very, very, very strange.
	Um and uh th the the the point the point is though, he has not got a medical rationale for it because it's in the end it's not about the health care, it's not about the life expectancy, it's not about the procedures or anything about that.
	It's about uh inserting government into every aspect of your life.
	Because the the once you have government health care, uh it licenses the government to control everything because everything's health care.
	You see it already, people people uh say about this argument about seat belts or crash helmets if you're riding a motorcycle.
	They say, well, you should wear a helmet, uh, because if you're uh if you fall off your motorbike and your head cracks, you'll have to be treated in a hospital.
	So the state has an interest.
	The minute you have uh government health care, the state has an interest uh in in w in how you're living because it has to pay for that treatment.
	So it will regulate not just the seat belts uh that you uh that you wear in the car, not just the helmets you have to wear when you ride a motorcycle, uh, but all kinds of other aspects uh uh of life.
	We we see this uh routinely uh in uh, for example, the uh province of Ontario where uh you're not allowed to smoke uh if there is someone under twenty-one in your private vehicle.
	It's your car.
	You own that car.
	Uh but the uh province of Ontario says uh if there is someone who is under a certain age in that car with you, you're not allowed you're not allowed to smoke.
	They regulate because they'd have to pay if the kid gets cancer or whatever.
	Uh and then it goes beyond that to saying, well, if you do smoke, as uh as they say in Manchester, England, we won't treat you for heart disease.
	Health care gives them the right to regulate every single aspect of how you live.
	It's incipient in the bill.
	It's an embryo, it will grow uh and it will give them the r the reasoning uh to control every aspect of how you live.
	Mark Stein sitting in for Rush on the Rush Limbaugh Show.
	Lots more straight ahead on the EIB network, and don't forget Rush returns fighting fit from the family guy tomorrow.
	Yes, America's Anchorman returns tomorrow.
	Uh till then it's your undocumented Anchorman filling in.
	1-800-282-2882.
	I I see Hurricane Bill, Hurricane Bill is heading uh straight for Bermuda.
	I asked H.R. whether we had any Uyghurs in the news today, because I always like to have a couple of Uyghur stories when I'm uh w when I'm behind the golden EIB microphone.
	Uh and there were no Uyghurs in the news, and uh since since we cut on the air, Hurricane Bill is now heading for Bermuda, and all those Uyghurs released from Gitmo to sit on the beach of Bermuda are right in the path of Hurricane Bill.
	So if something goes horribly wrong, they could be swept up and deposited straight back at Guantanamo.
	Uh so we'll keep an eye on track on that.
	Hurricane Bill.
	Uh remember actually, wasn't it Sheila Jackson Lee uh who uh Congressman Sheila Jackson Lee, you know, she's the one who's all in trouble for uh uh placing a phone call one while one of her angry constituents uh was asking her a question at one of these town meetings.
	Um I think it was Sheila Jackson Lee, who uh a couple of years ago uh complained that uh hurricane names were racist.
	Uh she had um her argument was that uh blacks were being discriminated against uh because hardly any uh destructive meteorological phenomena uh were given African American names.
	Uh you know, they've all got like Hurricane Bill.
	I mean, what kind of name is that?
	And and Hurricane Andrew and Hurricane Nigel.
	I don't know.
	Was there a Hurricane Nigel?
	I don't know.
	But you can bet if they got up to end there would have been a hurricane Nigel.
	She he you know uh uh uh Sheila Jackson Lee's point was that listen, uh the black community can't relate to these uh whitebred uh wind names like uh Hurricane Andrew just blowing in and tearing up the joint.
	Uh and uh it would be much more fair if we had a Hurricane Leroy or a Hurricane Latifa.
	And it's deeply racist and insulting to say that only forces of nature with these effete uh waspy appellations uh are uh are appropriate, are capable of in inflicting billions of dollars of of damage uh on on uh uh uh communities.
	Uh so that's what she was complaining about.
	And it's interesting, racism is everywhere.
	But I was interested to see that the Obama Joker has been unmasked.
	Uh and you remember this, these these posters have been appearing in everywhere of uh Obama uh uh with his face turned into the Joker from the Batman movie.
	Uh and uh the speculation was that this was some uh embittered right-wing extremist, and the critics said it was racist, because of course putting uh whiteface on Obama was a bit uh like what uh it was a kind of minstrel thing like the 19th century thing where where people would put uh uh boot polish on and uh pretend to be uh do a coloured minstrel routine,
	and that this was returning us to the days of a kind of minstrelcy, uh putting uh uh Joker type white uh powder on Obama's face.
	So let's identify the extreme right wing racist who did the Obama poster, meet Firaz Al Khatib, a twenty-year-old Palestinian from Chicago.
	And you're probably thinking, okay, okay.
	So the guy's a Palestinian uh from Chicago.
	But he he could still be he so it's like hard to make him out to be just one of these racist white supremacist types, maybe.
	But couldn't we at least isn't he at least right wing?
	Well, no, in fact, he's a uh he's a Dennis Kucinich supporter.
	So this racist poster, right wing racist poster of Obama's the Joker, turns out to be done by a twenty-year-old Palestinian Dennis Kucidic supporter, Firraz Alkatib.
	Good on you, Mr. Al-Khatib.
	Um he actually abstained from voting in November.
	Uh but he did the post, he's aside from the fact that he supports Mr. Kucinich, he's a s sound guy.
	He goes, after Obama was elected, you had all of these people who basically saw him as the second coming, Mr. Al Katib said.
	From my perspective, there wasn't much substance to him.
	So even a Dennis Kucinich supporter can be right uh once a day.
	Uh Mark Stein well, maybe not once a day, once a year.
	Mark Stein uh sitting in for Rush on the Rush Limbaugh Show.
	Let's go to Jeff in Spartanburg, South Carolina.
	Jeff, you're on the Rush Limbaugh show.
	Hey, Mark.
	Hey, good to have you with us.
	Um my question was earlier you stated that, like, let's say an individual is deemed not to be able to have a surgery by one of those panels in the bill.
	That's right.
	You know, that was that was previously proposed, I guess.
	Um, are you saying that the ability for that person to secure financing on their own and get the surgery will not be available?
	What what is uh what what what happens in uh countries th that have the socialized system is there are two types.
	In Canada, the government has a monopoly.
	So if the government says you can't have the procedure, you've got to leave the country to get it uh to get it somewhere else.
	Then you have systems where you have a a private public uh system side by side, as in the United Kingdom.
	And what happens there is uh that you'll be told uh there's a three year wait for this procedure, uh so you might look to have it somewhere done privately, uh but your options uh are limited because the minute you have a public system, the private system shrivels.
	Uh that's inevitable.
	As that uh genius uh uh student put it to Obama, uh the the government's ability uh to run a uh a form of health insurance, uh they have certain advantages over private insurers.
	Uh obviously if they if they have to borrow money uh the company will have to pay interest on that.
	The government uh can essentially just print the money, as Rush pointed out yesterday.
	Uh so the government, if if you're competing with the government, the government has certain advantages.
	And uh it particularly has them when it's uh going to impose penalties on those uh individuals and companies who don't do what they want.
	For example, uh it's if you if you don't provide employee health insurance, uh they're going to take eight percent uh they're gonna g give you an eight percent supplemental tax.
	Well, for a lot of companies it'll be just easier uh to take the eight percent hit on that uh and scrap the employee insurance plan to to so you'll actually be saying to Mrs. Jones, your receptionist, sorry, our private company plan ends on Friday uh and at midnight you'll be enrolled in the Obamacare plan.
	So the minute you have the government and the private uh things side by side, um you would have uh you would have a diminution in the availability and the affordability of private health care.
	And to go back to your question about how if you're denied a particular procedure under the plan, what can you do?
	I would imagine what we will see here is a huge increase in medical tourism.
	In other words, you'll say, uh uh the I'm paying for all this government health care, but I'm not getting it, so I'm going to uh take a vacation in uh Bombay and get some Indian doctor to perform it on me, as already happens to some degree.
	So in your experience, you haven't seen a lot of private practice pick up to get the work that the government's not going to provide.
	No, because pr private practice shrivels uh the minute you have a a government system.
	I mean, you have in in Britain you have some uh elite uh forms of uh of private health care.
	You have things like uh the Portland Hospital in London where royal duchesses uh give birth to uh their babies and things like that.
	But they're we're talking there about a highly specialized uh for the for the very elite in society that that cover the top five to ten percent.
	Uh don't forget, if you're if you're in a if you look at Canadian taxes comparatively, for example, if you look at Quebec, where the basic combined uh provincial federal tax rate is something like fifty four percent, I think it's the highest in North America.
	Basically you're paying so much in your taxes that you should be entitled to about three chronic illnesses a year.
	But in fact when you do get a chronic illness, you've just got to go on a wait list and eventually they send you down uh to be treated in a hospital in New York State or Vermont or New Hampshire.
	That that that is this so called elective surgery, you would be surprised how elastic that term becomes because what it actually ends up doing is that critical surgeries that you need desperately to improve your quality of life they'll they'll decline to give that to you and you'll have to wait two years, three years, uh three years uh for that.
	Three years in Quebec for a simple procedure uh on incontinence.
	Uh I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago.
	Uh incontinence is about as uncomfortable as you can you can't sleep.
	You've got to get up and go to the bathroom twelve times a night.
	It's a half hour procedure.
	Uh but they say no you've got to wait three years for it.
	And they're the government and they can say that and that's the problem.
	All government plans in the end can only work by restricting your access uh to care.
	So Jeff uh don't don't don't go down this path because there's no way back up once you've gone once you've gone down it.
	You're not thinking of supporting this thing, are you Jeff?
	No, I'm uh I'm very much against having uh additional government control in my life.
	I was just wanting to know um I love the way you put it so casually by the way.
	I'm very much against having a display that's good that's reasonable.
	That's moderate you're not getting you're not raising your voice and getting too excited.
	That's the best way to do it.
	I I just I couldn't see yeah you know the government pushing um I guess the decisions of individuals uh for you know for myself to go secure my own financing outside the system.
	But you pretty much like you would get uh plastic surgery.
	You know what system handles that today.
	Yeah and and and and you're you you that's a good that's a good way of of looking at it.
	Now that's a that's uh that is something that isn't uh not all aspects of it are covered by the Canadian plan and so they permit those clinics to operate privately in in Canada if you want to get Botox or something.
	But the point is that for anything uh anything uh other than that and one or two other other little things if you uh if the government says no we have got a maximum number of procedures that we perform I mentioned that urological business the incontinence thing uh the Quebec government a bureaucrat somewhere in the government has decided that only two hospitals in the entire province will offer that procedure uh and that means that there's a three-year wait for it.
	Uh and they do that very cynically because they don't want to have to buy the equipment for to to do the procedure so they think if they only have two hospitals for it people will either uh wait three years and by the end of the three years they might be dead or they might have got so frustrated that they'll have driven south of the border uh with their incontinence problems with their legs crossed all the way stopping at every interstate rest area uh until they get to an American hospital uh and pay to have it done.
	In the exact exact HR wants to know where well then they're gonna have to drive they won't be able to just drive to Plattsburgh they'll have to drive all the way to Costa Rica and with their legs crossed for thousands of miles that is gonna be that is going to be extreme extremely painful.
	So if you don't care about subjecting your fellow Americans to this system, think of the poor foreigners.
	Where are they going to have to drive to?
	Mark Stein, sitting in for Rush on the EIB Network.
	1-800-282-2882.
	Mark Stein, in for Rush on the EIB Network.
	Always an honour for a foreigner to come and sit behind this microphone.
	And, you know, basically I've got nothing else to do because I've got, you know, I've got a couple of years to kill until my procedure comes through, so so uh might as well come and guest host for a bit.
	Let's go to John in Battle Creek, Michigan.
	John, you're on the Rush Limbaugh show.
	Great to have you with us.
	Hey Mark great show how you doing I'm doing good.
	How about you?
	I'm doing great.
	Hey listen you know I was thinking I think the Republicans need to start their own cap and trade program.
	We need to cap spending and trade Obama right out of office.
	No that's mean mean spirited and probably racist too.
	Because trade trade has racial connotations is that that guy Obaba was talking about.
	That's right that's right.
	but hey, the real reason I was calling is because um I think the threat of the public option is even more imminent than you had stated earlier.
	Um I heard Howard Dean on PMSNBC earlier, and uh I realized what Obama's doing is he's pulling a huge rope of dope on the American people because he's trying to downplay this public option, it's gonna be a co-op to get it through the Senate Finance Committee to get the 60 votes.
	Right.
	Then the House will pass their bill, then Pelosi will turn around and stuff the public option in, and then they will only need fifty-one votes to pass it.
	Yeah.
	And that and that is what I really think's going on.
	So I mean, everyone is talking like, oh, the public option is dead.
	It's not dead.
	They're gonna stuff it back in in the end, and we're and we're there's no way we'll be able to stop it.
	No, the pub the public option is dead publicly.
	That you say those words in public now and people are booing.
	But the public option, as you say, is going to be ran through privately in conference in a in a uh enough of a form uh that they will able to make it mean whatever they want it to mean uh down the road.
	And you're and you're right.
	And and you're you're m you make the point uh that um uh is made in the uh in the in the Washington uh post this morning.
	I think it was Eugene Robinson, who says basically, look, this stuff is unpopular, and it's gonna cost Democrat seats in twenty ten.
	But let's just do it, let's just ram it through uh and take the hit for it.
	Well what would you what would you rather do?
	Take the hit and change the country or or listen to what the American people are saying and just be a a do-nothing president uh who doesn't uh doesn't accomplish anything in his administration.
	And I think that actually is is the way uh the administration's mind is thinking on this, John.
	Are you by the way, what what's your reckoning on when we'll get this public option?
	Do you think by the fall he'll get something in there?
	Well, I I don't know, because like I said, I mean, if the Republicans and the blue dogs wake up to what's really gonna happen and they realize that Nancy Pelosi is the one that's gonna be running the show, I mean, you know, hopefully they can stall it.
	But I wouldn't know I wouldn't have to I wouldn't put your faith in blue dog democrats or or some of these uh or some of uh some of those uh reach across the aisle types on the Republican side.
	Right, right.
	Well, I mean I I like I said, I I hope it doesn't pass, and the longer they can put it off, the less chance it has of passing.
	But I mean, like I said, you know, I feel like this whole thing, all this talk, I I feel like the Democrats know behind closed doors.
	I feel like they're actually complaining about the public option, it's kind of like I said, a rope-dope.
	Like I heard Howard Dean, and he seemed to know.
	He's like, oh, that what's gonna happen is is they're just gonna pass the Senate and then we'll put it in, and then we only need fifty-one votes.
	Like he's behind the scenes talking to people in the administration.
	And I was like, holy cow, I never even thought about that aspect.
	You know, that you know, that would be a way to skim off ten votes they needed.
	Yes, and uh Howard Dean uh did did kind of let the cat out of the bag on that, John.
	Thanks.
	Uh thanks for your call.
	Howard Dean uh because he is a doctor, I think uh I can't uh he he's always very enthusiastic.
	He I what I liked about him when he ran for office is that uh you when John Kerry would go, Oh, I'm deeply personally agonizingly anguishly personally deeply opposed to abortion, but I would never let my deeply personal, passionate anguish, personal deep beliefs uh interfere with my legislative program.
	Uh and he'd tie himself all in knots like that.
	Whereas what I liked about Howard Dean was he was basically just offering to perform uh you know partial birth abortions on volunteers from the crowd.
	He was like all for it.
	He was hey, bring it on.
	Let's uh let's let's have a couple today.
	Uh he is uh he is a doctor, and and it would be interesting to ask Howard Dean.
	How come with abortion your whole thing is oh uh a woman's right to choose, keep your laws off my body?
	Uh and you believe in that for reproductive rights.
	You believe you believe in that for uh your fallopian tubes, but you don't believe uh if in it for anything non phallopian.
	If it's some non fallopian part of you, you say, Well well, the government can put its laws all over you.
	Uh no more.
	Why why wh why why doesn't he say keep your laws off my body uh when it when it comes to your twisted ankle or your knee replacement?
	No, no, but it's only of your birth canal and your fallopian tubes and all that kind of stuff.
	Keep keep the government off the body, every other body part you have, the government is gonna be owning one hundred percent.
	Uh Mark Stein uh talking health care on the Rush Limbore show, more straight ahead.
	1 800.
	Mark Stein in for Rush on the EIB network.
	You know, people sometimes wonder what the what it's like with this socialized health care.
	I uh needed an EKG once in uh in Montreal.
	Uh, and I went to make the appointment for the EKG, and they said, we'll give you the appointment on October the 13th, uh, and then you'll have to have a meeting with the doctor to discuss the results of it, and that will be on December the 12th.
	I go, well, wait a minute.
	If there's something uh on the EKG that says, you know, I've got only only got three weeks to live, what good is the me uh the meeting on December the 12th?
	They go, oh, don't worry about that.
	We would call you back and and move the appointment up if there was anything like that in it.
	That's that's what happens under these socialized uh healthcare healthcare systems.
	Uh Mark Sides to the Infrarus.

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