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Aug. 11, 2009 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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August 11, 2009, Tuesday, Hour #3
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I am flat out stunned at what I have been able to listen to of the Obama Town Hall meeting in New Hampshire.
I have I'm literally stunned at the pathetic nature of this.
It is responsive.
Obama is responsive to nothing in the current debate about this.
He reminds me of the way he was during the campaign when Hillary, remember during Operation Chaos, toward the end of the Democrat primaries when Hillary was getting close.
This is not presidential today.
This is a campaign appearance that has no relationship to any reality on the ground now, vis-a-vis where our health care debate is.
Well, I think we can pay for health care.
Great, boost tax codes.
Let's get rid of boost tax codes.
We'll pay for health care that way.
I think we can pay for health care by diseliminate tax deductions for people like me who make over $250,000 and a lot of cost savings of Medicare.
Wow, but we're not going to cut Medicare, I thought.
None of this relates.
I just watched a woman ask a question.
It took five minutes.
Seemed like, well, three minutes to ask the question.
I'll tell you what's missing.
If you see any sound bites of this, or if you happen to be watching it now and listening to me do the play-by-play, what you're watching here is a salesman sell a product that doesn't exist.
We need to see the page numbers on the bill that supports every claim that he is making today.
What he doesn't understand is more and more people don't trust him or the Democrats to do this, and he's not responding to that.
He's just reciting the same old campaign rhetoric.
We need to see the numbers of the pages, Mr. President.
When you say X, Y, and Z is going to happen, you need to show us, show us the plant.
Where does it say that?
He's out there selling Barack Obama, not healthcare.
He's out there saying, trust me.
But after the stimulus bill, see, there's a new reality.
Trust me doesn't work anymore.
3 million, almost 3 million people have lost their jobs since he took action to create jobs.
He's just in the past six months, he's demonized doctors.
He can't say, trust me now.
He's demonized the insurance agency industry.
He can't say trust me.
He's destroyed the federal budget, created this massive deficit.
He can't say, trust me.
He can't get away with trust me.
And that's what he's doing.
It's so out of touch, it's unbelievable.
He's failed to deliver on jobs.
He can't say, trust me.
And when he says in the past, he wants a single-payer system and today says, I don't want a single-payer system.
He can't then say, trust me.
This is like somebody selling you a car they don't have, selling you a car you can't test, sell you a car you can't even see.
It's like buying a company with no contract.
You're just relying on the seller's promises.
And the seller's promises address none of the concerns that have been raised by people who've seen the company.
So here, let me illustrate.
This is Obama this afternoon, Portsmouth, New Hampshire.
And an audience member, Mr. President, you've been quoted over the years when you were a senator, that you were essentially a supporter of a universal plan.
I'm beginning to see that you've changed that.
Now this, none of this is real.
None of these questions are real.
I'm beginning to see you're changing on that.
Do you honestly believe that?
Do you still, you support a universal plan?
Are you open to the private industry still being maintained?
I have not said that I was a single payer supporter because, frankly, we historically have had a employer-based system in this country with private tax.
I have not said I was a single-payer supporter here, 2007, not even two years ago, a little over two years, March 2007, Service Employees International Union Healthcare Forum.
My commitment is to make sure that we've got universal health care for all Americans by the end of my first term as president.
I would hope that we set up a system that allows those who can go through their employer to access a federal system or a state pool of some sort.
But I don't think we're going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately.
There's going to be potentially some transition process.
I can envision a decade out or 15 years out or 20 years out.
Okay, now listen to again the beginning of Obama today.
I have not said that I was a single payer supporter because frankly, we historically have had a employer-based system in this country without tax shores.
I have not said I was a single payer supporter.
2003.
AFL-CIO conference campaigning for the U.S. Senate.
I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care plan.
That's the reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, is spending 14%, 14% of its gross national product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody.
And that's what Jim's talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out.
A single-payer health care plan, universal health care plan.
That's what I'd like to see.
But all of you know.
There it is.
I mean, I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer health care plan.
That's what I'd like to see.
Single-payer health care plan, universal health care plan.
Today, President Obama, I have not said that I was a single payer supporter because, frankly, we historically have had a employer based system in this country with private.
Mr. President, you can't do this and have people trust you.
The power of your cult-like appeal is gone.
You can't destroy jobs after telling people you're going to create and restore jobs and then say, trust me.
You can't say you've never said you were a single-payer supporter when we have soundbites of you advocating it, promising it to your most fervent supporters, and then say, trust me.
You have lost the trust.
Oh, I'm stoking the flames.
I'm stoking the flames.
There I go again, stoking the flames.
There I go again.
I'm stoking the flames here.
What?
I'm supposed to just shut up and forget what I heard in 2007, 2003.
Now, on this next bite, I have a comment, but after you hear it.
I do hope that we will talk with each other and not over each other.
Where we disagree.
Let's disagree over things that are real, not these wild misrepresentations that bear no resemblance to anything that's actually been proposed.
Because the way politics works sometimes is that people who want to keep things the way they are will try to scare the heck out of folks, and they'll create boogeymen out there that just aren't real.
Now, once again, these are not wild misrepresentations.
People are showing up, Mr. President, with a House bill, and they're reading from it, and they're asking their representatives and senators about it.
We'll talk with each other, but not over each other where we disagree.
Let's disagree over what's real.
I've never seen this man be so disconnected from reality.
He has failed, and his people have failed to understand this is not the Barack Obama of the campaign that's going to lower the sea levels and raise the mountains and freeze the snow on the glaciers or whatever else.
It's a whole different reality not even being acknowledged.
Now, here again, this next mic, this is Obama on his plan, but he doesn't have a plan.
He needs to be out there with every claim he's making saying, here it is, page XXX, whatever it is of my plan.
This is what it is.
He can't do that because he doesn't have a plan yet.
He says.
All we want to do is set up a set of options so that if you don't have health insurance or you're underinsured, you can have the same deal that members of Congress have, which is they can look at a menu of options.
We're calling it an exchange, but it's basically just a menu of different health care plans, and you will be able to select the one that suits your family best.
And I do think that having a public option as part of that would keep the insurance companies on us.
Because if they've got a public plan out there that they've got to compete against, as long as it's not being subsidized by taxpayers, then that will give you some sense of what sort of a good bargain for basic health care would be.
This is unreal.
This is frankly absurd.
It's beyond pathetic.
All we want to do is set up a set of options so that if you don't have health insurance, you can have the same deal members of Congress.
That's what's new here.
That is the new.
He is saying that we're all going to get the same options Congress gets.
And folks, there is no plan anywhere that says that anytime ever.
But to keep the insurance companies honest, we're going to put a public option in there.
I just, I'm not often speechless.
This is amateurish.
This is, well, of course, I give a public option, not subsidized by taxpayers.
That's what you say, not subsidized by taxpayers.
Of course, none of this.
This is incoherent.
I want to set up a series of options so if you don't have health insurance, you can have the same deal that members of Congress have?
Do I dare go any further with this?
Yeah, the child stands up and asks.
This is a little 13-year-old.
Never mind.
Folks, we already talked about it.
I can't.
I don't know.
This is.
I feel like I'm dealing with somebody running for a high school class president here, except he's not.
This will make this dangerous.
I tell you, time to bring back the teleprompter.
It is time to bring back the teleprompter, the son of teleprompters since first teleprompter crashed and died, maybe committed suicide.
But I mean, even on PMSNBC, the first two guests just trashed this.
The questions weren't hard enough.
They were too easy.
It was rambling.
It went on and on and on.
Here, I'm going to play these two soundbites.
I decided I would play them during the break.
It's the 13-year-old little girl.
I'm guessing her age.
There's a little girl.
She stands up, says this.
As I was walking in, I saw a lot of signs outside saying mean things about reforming health care.
How do kids know what is true, and why do people want a new system that helped more of us?
Okay.
Here's Obama's answer to that.
Well, I've seen some of those signs.
Let me just be specific about some things that I've been hearing lately that we just need to dispose of here.
The rumor that's been circulating a lot lately is this idea that somehow the House of Representatives voted for death panels that will basically pull the plug on grandma because we've decided that we don't, it's too expensive to let her live anymore.
I guess this arose out of a provision in one of the House bills that allowed Medicare to reimburse people for consultations about end-of-life care, setting up living wills, the availability of hospice, etc.
Somehow it's gotten spun into this idea of death panels.
I am not in favor of that.
Mike, find me the ABC quote, pain pill, grandmother 105, and so forth.
I've got these sheets of paper all over and I can't tell which is which here.
But let me tell you something, folks.
This little girl stands up.
I saw a lot of signs outside the hall here, meaning things about reforming health care mean things.
How do kids know what's true?
Why do people want a new system that helps more of us?
And he starts telling people that he's not going to kill grandma.
Good, stand by.
It's coming up soon.
Now, if Obama take that question and says that he is not going to kill grandma, then he's in trouble and he knows he's in trouble.
If he has to say we don't have to worry about death panels, and if he said, he was also asked about the snitch website, and he admitted there's a snitch website, but he said we don't have to worry about it.
It's not that you've been misled about what the site is.
We have our snitch.
Well, he didn't say snitch, but we got our snitch website, but you don't need to worry about it.
I hear this talk about death panels.
I'm not in favor of that.
What a concrete, reassuring denial.
I'm not in favor of death panels.
Well, Mr. President, there are enough people who are that this answer doesn't quite persuade them because you can't get by on Trust Me anymore.
Let's go back, June 24th, ABC.
You just heard his answer here.
I've heard some of these death panels pull the plug on grandma.
We decided too expensive.
Let her live anymore.
I guess this arose out of a provision in one of the House bills that allowed Medicare to reimburse people in competition in life care.
He's finally gotten up to speed on this.
Admitting he doesn't have a bill.
He's in the House bill.
But woman stands up.
Are you going to take into account my mother's will to live?
I don't think that we can make judgments based on people's spirit.
That would be a pretty subjective decision to be making.
I think we have to have rules that say that we are going to provide good quality care for all people.
End of life care is one of the most difficult sets of decisions that we're going to have to make.
But understand that those decisions are already being made in one way or another.
If they're not being made under Medicare and Medicaid, they're being made by private insurers.
At least we can let doctors know and your mom know that, you know what, maybe this isn't going to help.
Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller.
But we're not going to have death pay.
He's not in favor of death panels.
Will somebody tell me, Mr. President, you're using the word we here.
We give her the pain pill, we end of life decisions, and we give them the pain pill.
Maybe we don't mess with the surgery.
But he's not in favor.
Look at folks, I'm just, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I cannot emphasize that when the president, this woman, this little girl didn't even ask about death panels.
This little girl didn't ask about anything.
She asked about mean signs, and she didn't define what they were.
When you, as president of the United States, have to tell a country that you are not in favor of death panels and that you are not going to pull a switch on grandma, you have lost control of this.
No, don't worry about that.
Those are all lies.
I'm going to pull a plug on grandma.
To me, this is profound.
This is the United States of America.
The president of the United States had to tell people in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, he's not going to pull a plug on grandma.
That that's even something this government would contemplate and that people have a fear about that they would have to ask about.
And this little girl didn't even ask about it.
Now, this was at the end of his opening comments.
I got, well, no, not at the end.
I will look at Cut 41.
Cut 40.
This happened at about a half hour ago.
This is 1.50 p.m. Eastern Time.
It was about 10 minutes before this town hall meeting ended.
Listen.
Now, I want to set this up.
This is only six seconds.
You have to listen fast.
This is a man who is on a tear to convince every one of us that only the federal government can do health care fair and right and good and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Only the federal government, the only entity that can handle the depression, the recession, the only entity that can get jobs moving again is the federal government.
And he actually said this 35 minutes ago.
If you think about it, UPS and FedEx are doing just fine.
It's the post office that's always having problems.
Now, I'm not, this is, this is, I'm going to have to get the transcript.
I just told Cookie, find that phrase.
She did a keyword search and found it.
I don't know what the context of this is.
If you think about it, UPS and FedEx are doing just fine.
It's the post office that's always having problems.
Now, just that line alone by itself and out of context does not dive with trying to say the government's the only entity that can do anything when you stop and think about it.
So I will find the context of this, but in hopes of having it make sense.
Now, the statement alone does make sense just by itself.
FedEx, UPS, they're doing just fine.
The post office always having, that's true.
There's no question he told the truth about that.
But it doesn't advance his cause of having the government run health care.
Maybe he was saying, insurance company is not doing well.
HMOs are not doing well.
I don't want to guess.
I don't want to surmise.
We'll find the context here in the upcoming obscene profit timeout.
We'll be back.
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All right, Fox News and PMS, NBC, are also now covering Claire McCaskill's town hall in Missouri.
And I'm watching a little bit of this during the break.
And these people in the audience are standing up.
They are reading from the bills as they ask her questions.
They are reading news accounts of the legislation as they ask her questions.
You know, this is a time to be really proud of the American people.
This is, my buttons are popped.
This is so fabulous to see this.
They're standing up to Congress.
They are informed.
They're adult.
They are brave.
They care.
They are not being intimidated by Obama's goons.
They are continuing to show.
And this crowd at McCaskill's thing is huge.
I knew when I said last week the core of this country is not Obamaism.
The core of this country does not reflect nor validate the agenda of the far radical left wing of the Democrat Party leadership.
This meeting that Claire McCaskill is having is full and it is civil.
And for all of you inside the Beltway types, there is nothing to apologize for here.
There is nothing to apologize regarding any level of passion about what's going on with any of this.
The citizens of this country that are showing up at these meetings are informing, are illustrating they are more informed about what's headed their way than the people who are going to vote on it.
The administration, the Barack Obama administration and the Democrat Party has given us their worst.
And in return, we are giving them our best.
And in a contest like this, best versus worst, when the guys on the side of worst can't even sell, they don't even passionately believe the specifics of what they're trying to sell, then we really do have a chance to defeat this.
And Pelosi is out there saying that we are un-American.
There was Churchill who said it.
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a thief.
They're giving us their worst.
We're giving them our best.
All right, I have the context now on Obama and this UPS FedEx comment.
He was saying that the public option, the government option in health care will not put private insurance out of business, that they can compete with the government.
And that's when he said, if you think about it, UPS and FedEx are doing just fine.
It's the post office that's always having problems.
Now, wait a second.
This is supposed to dazzle us with his brilliance and intelligence.
The post office is a losing proposition.
It is running a deficit.
The other day, there was a story they might have to close 100 post office.
Maybe it was it more than that.
At least 100 post offices around the country.
UPS FedEx doing fine.
Yeah, but I haven't heard you talking about squeezing UPS or FedEx profits.
I haven't heard you start demonizing UPS or FedEx.
Let's make this analogy worthwhile.
If you wanted government-run overnight delivery, you'd be out there demonizing UPS and FedEx.
You're not going to do it because UPS, big union organization, and so forth.
But so what do we have to look forward to here?
With this analogy, hey, private sector compete.
UPS FedEx, think about it.
You're doing just fine.
Post office talks.
So the government run healthcare options going to suck.
And private options are going to make it a money loser.
All the while it's going to be deficit neutral.
Spectre said that today's week.
Deficit neutral.
It's not going to cost us any new money.
And they're at the point now where they're literally grabbing globs of excrement, throwing it up against the wall, and hoping some of it sticks.
That's what this has become.
That's how much they have lost control of this.
All right, who's been waiting a lot?
It's White Lake, Michigan.
Steve, hello.
Welcome to the EIB Network, sir.
Great to have you here.
Megadigo Ditto's Rush.
Really appreciate you taking my call.
Thank you, sir.
No, I didn't tell the screener this, but my daughter is 13 years old, and that is the basis of my calls because our kids are so smart.
They see clearly what needs to be said.
And the other night, my 13-year-old had asked me, she says, well, I get the same life-saving treatment as mom did when she was just 28 years old.
It just floored me.
I just had to take a pause and a deep breath.
All right, where did your 13-year-old daughter even hear enough information to ask you this question?
Where'd she hear this?
Well, watching Fox News, she gets up every morning.
She's used to doing that before she goes to school, so she still does it now.
And she just watches the media.
And what's concerning to her is what they're talking about, you know, the Obama health care plan, which, you know, really, I think, you know, it should be known as the no child left behind us.
And there's always a double meaning behind everything Obama says.
At first, you think, well, yeah, no child left behind us.
That's great.
But then you sit back and look at it and think, well, gosh, there's going to be a lot of kids who have genetic issues that they don't fit statistics.
You have to be a statistic in a government program to say it is worthy for us to do treatment.
And my wife would have been one of those statistics at 28.
She would have passed away if she did not get the treatments.
It was a doctor's decision based on the information he saw to say, you know, let's get a colonoscomy done.
Who was paying for this?
You had an insurance policy?
A PPOM.
Her personal.
So your fear is that when the government's in charge of this, that procedure would not have been approved.
Oh, absolutely.
Her brother.
I want to hear from you.
Why, absolutely, it wouldn't have been approved.
Because her brother, who was under 40 years old at the time, worked at the Pentagon under a government health plan, and we had to submit all the documentation of my wife's procedure showing that they were precancerous polyps.
When you're not supposed to have a colonoscopy until you're age 50, by all recommendations and standards right now, well, you know, the statistics were not working in his favor.
He's under 40 years old.
So with the government plan he was under, it was saying all the doctors were saying that's just impossible.
We don't believe you.
You know, that's ridiculous.
She couldn't have precanced.
Okay, so you have a legitimate reason for believing that.
Absolutely.
This is a real story.
This is not one of these false misrepresentations out there.
I mean, that's where we feel so, I get so miffed and feel so disrespectful.
What was that?
You get so miffed?
Miffed.
Yeah, I am miffed at the actual accusations out there.
The left is saying that we are using misrepresentation.
We know that.
Let me tell you what's happened here.
There's a reason for this, and it's not all that complicated.
I refer to this frequently.
Back when I started this program in 1988, these people, the Democrat Party for the most part, and most of the mainstream media had a monopoly on not only what was reported, but what was not reported.
They control the news site.
New York Times determined most of the stories that would be covered in the evening news on ABC, CBS, and NBC that night.
The New York Times was the Bible.
And they had this monopoly where they controlled it.
They've lost that monopoly now.
Starting in 1988, CNN was the only cable network out there, along with three networks, newspapers and magazines.
And now, look, they have lost control of it.
And because they had so many years of control without being challenged on what they believed, they have never had to toughen up.
They have never had to actually figure out a way to persuade people because they never had to.
They controlled it.
But now they're not trusted.
They're not universally trusted.
There will never ever be another Walter Cronkite.
They're just, they're not, there's too many places you can go now.
And that's what's happening to these guys in the state-run media.
They're floundering away in there too because they're still doing it the same old way.
They're just, you got a Democrat in the White House?
Okay, we repeat.
We don't report.
But they're not succeeding in shaping public opinion as they used to be able to.
And that just got them bugged to no end.
And so Obama, Obama wouldn't know tough press cover.
I don't know if Obama could handle one week of the kind of press coverage I get, for example.
He's never had that.
And I think his discombobulation today and his whole administration, this was childlike amateur today, this healthcare.
It was responsive to nothing current in the debate.
It was as though there's not six months of an Obama administration with real things that have happened.
It was as though we're still in the promise stage and we believe every promise and we believe because of the power of that personality that whatever's promised is going to happen.
But there's six, seven months of reality now.
We know it ain't true.
There's reason to doubt.
And today, he's out there assuring us that he's not going to pull a plug on grandma.
We got one more.
What did I do with it?
I got things pouring in here.
So let's see.
I'm looking for cut 44, and I know I got cut 44, but I hope to pull it on the critter.
Let me take a brief time out.
I got to do that.
Here's cut 44.
The snitch site.
This is, I wanted you to hear this.
This is a question.
I'm a skeptic.
Thank you, Mr. President, for coming.
I'm one of the people that turned myself in on the White House webpage the other day for being a skeptic of this bill.
This is another example of how the media ends up just completely distorting what's taking place.
What we've said is that if somebody has, if you get an email from somebody that says, for example, Obamacare is creating a death panel, forward us the email and we will answer the question that's raised in the email.
Suddenly, on some of these news outlets, this is being portrayed as Obama collecting an enemies list.
Now, come on, guys.
You know, here I am trying to be responsive to questions that are being raised out there.
There's a way to do it.
In a town hall like this, you address those questions and you show us page by page where the people making these claims are wrong.
But when you, I think, if you, if you send a note to the White House to the government or government website, that has to be archived.
They have to know who you are.
So, well, he admits the snitch website exists.
It's just not a snitch website.
We'll be back.
All right, now about the snitch website.
Obama says here, look, all we're saying is, if you get an email of somebody that says, for example, Obamacares creating a death panel, forward us email.
And we'll answer the question, why forward the email?
So if you get an email from me that says Obama wants to create death panels, you have been instructed to forward my email to the SNCC website.
You can just as easily say, I received an email that said that I was near the death panel.
They want the email.
They want the forwarded email.
By the way, Post Office now mulling, closing 700 offices, post office stores around the country that might close.
Now at 700, Brenda Tulsa, Oklahoma, thank you for waiting.
It's your turn on the EIB network.
Hello, Rush.
Thank you so much for taking my call.
Thank you.
I am a mother of a military medically injured soldier from Iraq.
He spent 14 months straight in Iraq in the Army, withstood more than 12 IEDs, and came home with both of his feet and legs injured.
Come November, he will have been medically discharged for three years, and for those solid three years, he's not even been able to get his retirement or medical benefits as far as pay goes because they haven't finished raiding him.
He has a torn ACL that has been torn for almost three years, and all they want to keep doing is giving him a cortisone shot or they put leg braces on him.
He walks with a cane, and they said within another year, he'll probably be in a wheelchair because they will not do surgery on a torn ACL.
My husband and I paid out of our pockets to just go see a private medical person for them to evaluate it, and they said it's torn.
It should have had surgery two and a half years ago.
But because he is on government health insurance and government VA doctors, they will not do surgery until it's totally torn apart.
So he is getting injured and his health is getting worse and worse.
So he is experiencing our health care system as it's going to be for everybody in the future.
It costs too much to take care of our injured soldiers, so they just give him the medicine and they put a band-aid on it.
And this is a son who is so patriotic that went over there because he loves his country.
And it just makes us grieve.
He cannot get a job because you go walking in to an employer at 28 years of age with crutches and leg braces.
They don't want to hire you.
He cannot be accepted by private insurance because he's got previous existing conditions caused by the war.
I just want to understand something here.
The Army or the government, whatever, manual for doing surgery on this torn ACL is that it has to be totally torn apart, ripped away from the bone, not just damaged this way.
It's not damaged enough to do surgery.
Is that what you said?
That's what the VA doctors are telling him.
And he's gone to three different VA doctors, and each one says, well, let's give him more shots.
Let's give him more pain meds.
He doesn't want pain medication.
He wants to fix it.
And he's having to wear two full leg braces and special shoes because of the bones that were blown off due to bombs as it was.
I hear VA horror stories.
I've toured Walter Reed in Washington, and I've seen the unit where people have lost arms and legs being rehabbed and so forth.
This is incredible.
I've not heard this kind of horror story about a VA.
Well, and you know, when he was over there, because he went through so many bombs, he suffered a traumatic brain injury.
So, he doesn't go to a doctor visit alone.
His wife goes with him or his dad goes with him to make sure he hears and understands the instructions and the reasonings, you know, totally, so that he's not missing something.
And bless his heart, his wife just really almost got into an argument with the doctor last time because she's saying, What do we have to do for him to get health care?
Because they won't finish raiding him until his treatments are done.
Well, and at this rate, his treatment will never be done.
No, this is it doesn't this is this is this is a horrible story.
I something doesn't sound right about this, but I and I've got to go.
I'm really up against it on time.
I appreciate the call.
Thanks much.
I have not heard horror stories like that about the VA.
You know, I feel like we had so much content in this show that tomorrow ought to be Friday.
A barn burner.
But tomorrow's Wednesday, and we will be back.
Happily so.
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