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July 8, 2009 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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July 8, 2009, Wednesday, Hour #2
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Yes, America's Anchorman is away this week, and this is your undocumented anchor man, Mark Stein sitting in.
Uh Mark Davis will be here on Friday.
Mark Belling was here yesterday.
Uh all Allmark guest hosts, all marked guest hosts.
And uh until the new fairness doctrine kicks in, and you are gonna be in real trouble then, because they're gonna say, like, for every every mark you have, you've got to have a Kevin.
And then who knows what's gonna happen on this show.
So the Yeah, Bert Bert on Burt on Thursdays.
That sounds like a lame new sitcom.
They've all got names like that now, haven't they?
Bert on Thursdays.
Well it's you should pitch that.
H uh HR's got his uh billion dollar idea uh there.
So uh Mark Davis in on Friday and then Rush uh will be back uh on uh on Monday.
And um we're gonna t we're gonna talk uh about uh the stimulus.
Uh not the old stimulus.
That's gone, that's been and done.
Uh that's that's over.
Uh the new stimulus.
They're now talking that we may need stimulus too.
Stimulus too.
Once you get a taste for it, once you get a taste for just like shoveling all that money down into one big hole and blowing it on nothing, it's so easy to do it again, isn't it?
Why not?
It's like it's like at Vegas.
You you you burn through the money, you don't win anything, and uh then you go to a loan shark and you borrow you borrow some more money to do that, that that's the thing.
But if you're in the government, you don't have to go and get it from a loan shark.
You can just spend it anyway, and then you can print it, stick it to your grandkids.
It's uh it's there's no problem.
So they're gonna do uh stimulus two.
This is on top of uh uh government health care, which there's they supposedly want to do in the next five weeks.
By the way, Senator Max Borcas has put out a a press release now claiming that the latest version of his health care plan is the one we should pass because he says co quote, it keeps the cost of health care legislation under one trillion dollars.
I mean, like that's that's now the good point.
It's like he's saying, Look, there's nothing else in the federal budget anymore that costs under a trillion dollars, but my healthcare plan does.
So uh that that's its unique selling point.
It's a mere trillion.
A mere trillion.
You know, that's chump change.
You know, why why even bother uh keeping an accounts book uh for that?
You know, it's uh on the line item budget, we'll just mark it as miscellaneous.
Yeah, it's a yeah, it is a r it's around it's around again in the in the uh in the scheme of things.
Uh you know, it's uh it's interesting to me, for the for the statist ruling class of this nation, a trillion was a kind of psychological uh Rubicon.
Uh it it sounds like odd the first time you say it, because it's not a it's not a summer it's not uh uh uh a sum of money you use in any other uh sphere, a trillion, uh one point two trillion, three point seven trillion.
It sounds like odd at first, but you you'd be amazed uh how easy it is to get used to it.
It doesn't you can't relate it to the real world.
I mean, what do you what do you get with a trillion, a trillion?
What can you buy with a trillion dollars?
Uh uh everything in West Virginia that's named after Robert C. Byrd?
Probably probably not.
You probably need uh a lot more than a trillion for that.
But once you start saying it, trillion here, trillion there, and uh and it trips off the tongue, and it's now the new benchmark.
So for guys like Max Borkas, uh no self-respecting congressional hack wants to wants to come off like uh what's the guy's name, Doctor Evil in Austin Powers, and invite instant derision uh by uh by urging some nickel and dime billion dollar boondoggle now and now to to to have any credibility it's gotta be at least a trillion dollars.
So we're all supposed to applaud Max Borkas, because he's like holding down his health care plan to like a trillion dollars.
That's big of him, isn't it?
That's terrific.
That's great news.
Uh the bad news is that on top of this uh trillion dollars, we may be having another stimulus.
Another stimulus, because the last stimulus uh apparently didn't do the job.
Who would have thought it?
Who would have thought it?
Uh the the the problem here is very uh simple.
Uh th what you need to get the economy uh moving again is you need to get people spending money.
Uh to spend money uh you need to have an environment in which it's profitable to be in business and in which it's profitable and worth your while growing your business.
Uh and they have effectively, the government has instead effectively removed all that.
Uh they're they're uh essentially creating an America in which uh regulation is the profession to be in.
If you've got a kid, if you got a kid and you're thinking, should my kid be a lawyer, should he be an accountant, should he be a feed store clerk, should he be don't bother uh trying to encourage him to start his own business or do anything on his own.
Tell him to be a government regulator.
That's gonna be where the big uh the big business is in the uh in the years ahead.
Um why did the first stimulus work uh fail?
Well, in part it failed uh because we've only spent uh ten percent of the money.
Uh so in other words, uh most of the money isn't being spent fast enough uh to do any good.
Uh and and the the reason for that isn't hard to to work out either, because for it to do any good, uh people would have to have an assurance that it was a a uh permanent feature of life.
If you are in a situation where your 401k has been cut in half, the value of your home is down 20%, then getting some check for a couple of hundred dollars from the federal government isn't gonna suddenly get you out there uh spending again.
Uh what it's gonna do, uh what does that are permanent changes uh in in the tax rates, uh permanent changes in the economic environment, and that's the one thing that the Obama administration and people like Barney Frank in Congress are not putting on the table.
Uh because they don't want you spending your money.
In the famous words of President Clinton when uh in the good old days of the surplus back in the 1990s when he said we could return the money to you, but you might not spend it in the right way.
And that's what matters uh to uh people who take a statist view of how societies work, that you spend the money in the right way.
Uh uh a conservative uh and a capitalist takes the view that if you let 300 million people make individual decisions uh that the the balance, the pluses and the minuses will all even out.
But the statist takes the view uh that it uh it all that uh matters is whether you spend it in the right way.
And the trouble with Barack Obama's way of spending is that it does nothing to stimulate anything uh other than government control, uh government uh bureaucracy uh and government regulation.
And that's that's all it's about.
That's basically uh what it's about.
Uh the stimulus is not stimulating uh anything.
Uh I uh saw a uh an uh picked up a newspaper I was in Vermont a couple of months ago, and it had, you know, newspapers are pretty thin these days, they're having a tough time.
Uh that's why they want government money, because they had no idea that they depend so much on things like real estate ads and car dealer ads.
And so uh once the government's uh taken over the car industry and the real estate industry has collapsed, they've got a lot less advertising in.
But they had this quarter page ad from something called SEVCA.
And I had no idea what it was.
Sevka turned out to be the uh South Eastern Vermont uh community assistance.
In other words, uh community action.
In other words, they're community organizers, just like uh President Obama and they were, quote, seeking applications for several positions funded in full or part by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, unquote.
That's the stimulus to you and me.
Uh so in other words, the stimulus money uh has gone to fund uh these positions at these community organizing groups.
Uh what what uh what what is it funding?
The first job they were advertising was for something called the ARA projects coordinator.
So the first new job created by the stimulus was a job coordinating other programs funded by the stimulus.
That's that's great news, isn't it?
The second job was something called a grant writer, a grant writer uh who would be responsible for writing grant applications to augment our funds.
So the second new job created by stimulus funding would fund someone uh to write to people asking for additional funding for projects funded by the stimulus.
The third job was a marketing specialist to increase public awareness of ARA funded services.
In other words, uh a marketing specialist to market uh to market public awareness of stimulus funded projects.
I mean, this stimulus, the reason the stimulus failed is because uh stuff like this.
Uh that uh it's great.
If you happen to be uh uh d done a if you if you went to Harvard and did a degree in stimulus coordination, you're set up for life.
Because the jobs funded by the stimulus are the job of stimulus co- uh head stimulus coordinator with responsible responsibility for promoting and funding the stimulation of the promotion and the funding and the marketing of stimulus promotion projects funded by the stimulus.
That's all the stimulus is funding.
Uh but it's not doing anything out in the real world uh where real people live.
Uh and that is uh that is uh the the action required to change the economic, the core economic dynamic in America at the moment to prevent us tipping into the post-prosperity era, which is where we're heading if this uh if this keeps up, uh would require, for example, changes in corporate tax rates, changes in corporate tax rates.
America has uh the highest corporate tax rates in uh the developed world, and the Obama administration's plan is to increase them.
Uh uh the other day I noticed that Tim Horton's Donuts, which is a donut chain that operates on both sides of the border of the US Canadian border, but it's uh incorporated in Delaware.
And it announced that it was uh reorganizing itself as a Canadian corporation, uh, quote, to take advantage of Canadian tax rates, unquote, to take advantage of Canadian tax rates.
What kind of crazy phrase is that?
When did American executives start saying things like to take advantage of Canadian tax rates?
That's that's a phrase that would probably never pass any American executive's lips until Barack Obama became president.
But these guys know that if you look at Obama's plans down the road, uh where he's essentially imposing double taxation on multinational companies that earn money, uh American companies that operate multinationally uh and bring it back, uh that if you look at uh, for example, uh the difference between corporate tax in Canada and corporate tax in the US, in the US it's basically about thirty-five percent.
In Canada it's twenty-one percent, and the government is planning to reduce it to fifteen in the next couple of years.
So in other words, you will have a corporate tax rate north of the border that is less than half of what it is south of the border.
We are destroying, we are eviscerating uh the economic base of uh the United States uh to advance nothing but government regulation.
Now, when you look at the problems in the property market, look at the problems in the property market, uh, what is the government solution?
Cap and trade.
They're going to make it more expensive uh for you to sell your home.
So on the one hand, they're driving, they're making it harder to operate a business in the United States, and on the second, the they're making it more expensive just to live here.
You can have you can have paid off your home, uh you uh can uh have uh provided for your retirement, but you won't be able to sell that home unless you bring it up to some ma uh ludicrous arbitrary environmental standard imposed by a guy in Washington, which will then change equally arbitrarily uh upwards, uh ever more tightly regulated in a couple of years' time.
The great thing about this country, what I always loved about this country, uh and I think it's the measure of a civilized society, by the way, is how easily you can uh insulate yourself uh from the the the worst uh the the worst aspects of life.
And if you look at most Western European countries, it's actually quite hard to.
If you live in a bad neighborhood, it's hard to move into a nice neighborhood.
Uh it's it's expensive there, it's difficult.
The great thing about the United States is that this is the cheapest country in the Western world just to buy a nice plot of land and live there in a uh in a simple accommodation.
Uh when I was in Crawford, Texas, I noticed that the price of uh a double wide on a two-acre lot was something like twelve thousand dollars.
And you can say, oh yeah, well, that's just because Bush moved in and there goes the neighborhood.
But uh but but that's typical of all kinds of places All over this country.
It's the cheapest country in the Western world to buy a nice lot, uh, build a nice house, live there, uh raise your family.
And what this cap and trade legislation is doing is saying you cannot escape regulation.
No matter what you do, no matter how old your home is, no matter how long you've lived there, the gu it's the government can reach inside your property and regulate every aspect of your life.
And if you want to stimulate regulation, if you want to stimulate government bureaucracy, if you want to stimulate government control, this is a great way to do it.
But if you want to get the economy moving again, this is a disaster.
1 800 282882, Mark Stein on the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Mark Stein in for Rush on the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Uh Morgan Stanley's chief economist says, quote, America's long-awaited fiscal train wreck is now underway.
Uh it's left the station, and this isn't a stopping service.
This is the uh express, this is the express train one-way ticket.
Uh the uh the fiscal train wreck is now underway.
Let's go to Pam in Mansfield, Ohio.
Pam is uh is Ohio a fiscal train wreck uh right now?
Now let me tell you about it.
I was uh uh thirty years old, actually about twenty-nine, when uh the carrier administration basically handed the Reagan administration something less or I should say not as intense or not as bad as what we've just uh the Liberals claimed Bush handed Obama.
Right.
And and um I did an interview for ABC out at our local GM plant at that time, uh on the upcoming election, interviewing people, and this and of course you could see blue collar guys sweating, they're we're letting people go and all.
Well, guess what?
As we speak today, they just pulled that GM plant.
Right.
So you've got you're getting you've got double digit unemployment in Ohio.
We not only have double digit unemployment, one of our big base c corporations, GM, is gone.
Right.
We've we've got a uh that by the way, we got uh uh a proud democratic hometown boy by the name of Sherrod Brown.
Right.
And we've got a uh we you'd think we'd have the pipeline.
We got a democratic mayor, we got a democratic uh senator, we got a democratic uh governor.
So you ought to you you ought to be on the central sluice pipe for stimulus funding.
If if it's doing anything, it would be coming straight to to to your big Democratic Party fiefdom, wouldn't it?
They can't do a thing.
They're running scared, it's not working, and they know it.
Yeah, that's and I I I gotta tell you, that's the scariest part of all.
It it it has nothing to do with partisan.
It has everything to do with failed fiscal policy, and it's so frightening.
And uh you're talking to your average American who uh by the way, uh went out and called the city this morning and said we've got storm sewers collapsed all over to come out and look at it.
And the response was, man, we don't have any money, or we don't have any manpower to fix it.
We uh you're talking basic loc local infrastructure.
Yeah, and and that's we're talking average your average living in a in America here.
But you know, that's the great that's the great lesson.
There are things that the town government should do, things that county governments should do, things that state government should do, and things that federal government should do.
But they're all very limited in number.
And the more they try to do everything, uh the less likelihood there is that they'll be doing those core responsibilities uh well.
Uh Pam, thanks thanks for your call.
You know, that is that is uh that is the point.
Uh that is absolutely the critical point that if government does a few things, the few enumerated responsibilities, its core responsibilities, uh it it should be able to do them well.
But when you tell government to do everything, uh it will just uh spend enormous amounts of money and uh waste that money uh and will suck it from the dynamic part of uh of the economy.
And that's that's what's uh that's what's happening uh all over as we see.
Essentially, this is a massive transfer uh of uh wealth from the productive sector of the economy uh to the non productive and wasteful uh sector of the economy.
And it really is quite disgraceful when uh when someone like uh Joe Biden goes on TV and says, Well, we had no idea how bad it was.
Your president, your president, uh Barack Obama, uh Joe Biden, the guy you work for was going around saying this is the worst economy, worst economic crisis since the Depression, since the nineteen thirties.
So if you didn't know how bad it was, were you not listening to him?
Or is it or is it worse than that?
I mean, he was saying, oh, it's the worst thing since the night is it the worst thing since the black plague, the black death?
Uh is it worse thing since the Great Plague killed uh i what are we talking about here?
The worst thing since the fall of the Roman Empire?
He's he was going around telling everybody uh it was the worst thing since the 1930s, and now Joe Biden and now Joe Biden says, oh no, no, no.
It's way worse than that.
We didn't know the half of it.
We're talking Armageddon.
Uh thank you very much, Vice President Biden.
It's Mark Snyde sitting in for rush on the Rush Limbore show.
1-800-282-2882.
More straight ahead.
Hey, great to be with you.
Uh I'll be here uh today and tomorrow, and Mark Davis comes in on Friday, rush back on uh well, that's uh what's that?
That's Motown, isn't it?
Uh uh Heat Wave.
Uh we're playing that in honor of Michael Jackson or something.
What is that?
That's uh or Al Gore, it's heat wave, isn't it?
It's uh heat wave, yeah.
Al Gore, it's the global global warming song.
We're having a uh we're having a heat wave.
Uh great.
We've got we got no summer in my part of New Hampshire.
Uh we we uh and they uh what is there's snow up in uh I had some complaint that they had snow uh up in uh I think it was uh Mon uh North Dakota the other day, so it's like great snow on Fourth of July parade.
That's really what you like.
That's really so much for the global warming.
Uh we've been talking about what's happening to the economy.
Joe Biden.
Joe Biden has said, well, look, the stimulus, the stimulus was a bust, because we didn't know the half of it.
We didn't know how bad it was.
When President Obama was going around telling everybody that this is the worst economic crisis since the uh since the 1929 Wall Street crash and the Great Depression, he was just trying to put a happy face on things.
That was that we didn't really know how bad it was.
We didn't really know how bad it was.
This is this is it.
This is like uh this is like the uh the the Great Plague, the Black Death, the end.
It's uh uh this is way of Joe Biden's talking up the mile.
I think the Dow's fallen seven percent since he went on the Sunday talk show, so he's doing a great job.
Um Henry Waxman, the guy, uh this uh guy Waxman, uh he's one half of this Waxman markey cap and trade thing, isn't he?
Uh Henry Waxman, Congressman Henry Waxman, Democrat California, uh says that Republican opposition to climate change legislation and the stimulus indicates that they're cheering against the good old USA.
They want the USA to fail.
They've got that Rush Limbaugh thing where they're rooting for America to fail.
Because if you don't support cap and trade, if you don't support stimulus, if you don't support government health care, you're anti-American.
Hang on a minute.
Where where does it say that?
Is that in the Constitution?
It's like uh uh so if you're propo if you're opposed uh to imposing a f uh a national uh regime of economic sclerosis that will make this country seize up uh from Maine to Hawaii, you're anti-American.
I saw a thing today uh in the Wall Street Journal that Obama's latest plan is to take over take over the uh take over the airlines, apparently.
Uh he's uh in in uh the w the Wall Street Journals uh talking that, you know, Obama may have to uh wind up running the airlines.
That's great, because he's like he's taken over the car industry.
Uh well, the passenger rail, Amtrak, that's already government owned.
So if he takes over United and US Air and Continental, uh basically, I think you can still get a non-government bicycle.
You if you want to if you want to use private sector transportation, uh you should you should get a bicycle.
Or you should get a horse and buggy.
Um that's that that's that's uh the the state of America in the year two thousand and nine.
Uh Congressman Ma Waxman has it absolutely backwards.
Uh what we are seeing is a sustained war on the animating principles of the American idea.
And it shouldn't be my position as some wacky foreigner to have to point this out.
But this is the precise inversion uh of everything that the United States was founded on.
Uh uh uh uh the principles of limited government and a self-reliant citizenry that is allowed to live life to its full potential.
Uh and this is the antithesis of the world that Congressman Waxman uh is building for us.
And I will say this, by the way, for the the left.
If you go back and you read the that Obama piece from 1983, where he's espousing his Peter Tosh rastiferian reggae view of social justice.
It's very difficult actually to keep track of everything that's going on because it's coming so fast.
Most uh most moderate centrist administrators finding themselves in government in January would not say, well, we're going to do cap and trade, we're going to do stimulus, we're going to do nationalization of the automobile industry, and we're going to do government health care and a ton of other stuff all in the first few weeks.
But Obama knows that if he just keeps throwing this stuff at the wall, uh that in the end uh a lot of it will slip through unscrutinized, like these 1,200 page bills that nobody bothers to read, or that cap and trade one, which actually didn't exist in written form at the time they voted for it.
What did they vote for?
They voted for a concept that existed in uh Nancy Pelosi's head.
It was 1,200 pages that they were throwing so much pork at that the little tippy tapy typing fingers of the poor uh congressional stenographers couldn't type as fast as as Democratic congressmen can spend.
That's what it's come to now.
Is that they're spending they're spending your money faster uh than the uh congressional typing pool can keep track of it in writing.
They voted for a 1200 page bill that has no corporeal form.
It's like that ghost of Michael Jackson that was supposedly seen wandering through Neverland on the footage uh on on on uh Larry King Live or whatever it was the other night, where Larry thought he saw the spectral form of Michael Jackson hovering down uh in one of the hallways.
That's what this bill is.
It's like it's the ghost of Michael Jackson with a with a huge great price tag stuck to it.
It has no corporeal existence, but they voted to spend it anyway.
Uh this this uh c this bill is the and again this is where Congressman Waxman is wrong.
It's not un-American to demand that your legislators read their legislation.
It's not un-American to demand that the legislation be written, be in a written form that you can actually know what you're voting on at the time you vote for it.
This is actually uh un-American, uh just saying, well, we'll we're we're voting on this and we'll tell you what's in it afterwards, uh and we don't know, but like uh five or six staffers uh got together in the back rooms of the corridors of power, and that should be enough for any of you.
Yeah, we we completely trust them, they write the bill, uh and we'll just and we'll just vote on it.
This is the opposite of a republic of citizen legislators, uh, and and it is not un-American uh to stand up and say, no, this is enough of this stuff.
This is enough of it.
Uh so these are s these are this is a serious crisis, actually, for the American idea.
Because the choice that uh a man like Congressman Waxman presents us with whether we are going to go down, uh go all the way and make the same mistakes uh the European governments made a generation ago.
And by the way, if you look, for example, at uh statistics such as uh uh the the amount the government spends as a proportion of GDP, uh America is going up.
The other countries are coming down.
If you look at uh countries like Sweden, uh they they ramped up their big uh spending uh back in the uh back in the 70s and 80s, and they realized that it's unsustainable, that you can't do it, and they had to back off and come down from that.
Uh they get it.
Uh Sweden's corporate corporate tax rates are lower than America's.
How now how did that come to pass?
How did it come to happen uh that uh America's tax rates are not competitive with avowedly socialist statist societies?
Uh it's not un-American uh to want to draw the line at that and to say, uh, oh, well, you know, can't we be at least as uh entrepreneurial and dynamic As Sweden?
Is that too much to ask for?
Uh Congressman Waxman is attempting to demonize uh the opposition to this bill to the to the this level of spending, which is now widespread.
Uh and it's not gonna work.
Because enough Americans still get it.
Uh they understand uh that uh certain people have to make the money before you spend it.
And the Obama administration has already spent more money uh than we're making.
So that these numbers don't add up.
You can only do you can only make them add up by introducing something like a national sales tax uh or by uh taxing our children and grandchildren into poverty.
And both of those uh options are unacceptable uh to the American people.
Uh Mark Stein, 1800-282-2882.
Rush will be back on Monday, fighting fit and uh rare and to go, and Mark Davis comes in on Friday.
I'll be here today and tomorrow.
1 800 282 2882, more straight ahead on the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Mark Stein in for Rush on the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Let's go to Mark in Las Vegas, Nevada.
Mark, you're on the EIB network.
First of all, Mark, I really love when you sit in.
But listen, if you still if these guys think they're gonna force me to upgrade my house, my old house before I sell this thing, they're nuts.
There's gonna be a mysterious gas leak.
I'm gonna burn this thing into the ground, let the insurance company pay me for it.
Then I'm gonna sell the lot and let somebody else worry about it, I'll go buy myself a new house.
Yeah, and actually that's the quickest way to be in compliance, isn't it?
I'm telling you.
It is.
Okay, well that you you're thinking you're thinking ahead.
That's the that's the way in b in bureaucratically oppressive nations, that's the way people start uh start thinking.
Yeah, why bother get uh if your roof isn't up to the new environmental standards imposed by Washington, why bother you know, why b why bother the cost of fixing it up?
Why just uh sell it, burn it, burn the house down, sell it as an empty lot.
You are an i a genius, Mark.
Um one one thing to remember though, don't do don't give the quote that a neighbor of mine did when his old decrepit farmhouse caught fire, and the local reporter covering the story uh went to interview him and he said, quote, unfortunately we may didn't manage to get everything out before the fire started, unquote.
That line that line rather gives the game away.
Um Mark, uh you're you're right.
Uh where do you think all this stuff is do you think people are uh gonna think like you or do you think they're gonna put up with this nonsense?
You know, uh there there are certain people that are gonna put up with it, but you know, th this has gotta stop.
This is getting out of hand in that thing.
I think um I think very shortly this keeps going on that people are gonna you know, Mark to that.
Mar Mark Belling on yesterday's show uh was talking about whether conservatives are wimps, that in the end we always expect people to get outraged and all the rest of it, but in the end we never do.
In the end we just take this stuff.
We take it incrementally.
We put up with the the the government doing this bit by bit by bit by bit, and we get and people get used to it and they don't rise up against it.
Well, you you do run into apathetic people like that.
Now, I grew up in Chicago.
I knew better about this guy, but nobody would listen to me.
But y you got people from the inner cities that won't put up with this, and eventually we're gonna we're gonna have enough and and it'll stop.
But you do have apathetic people out there, unfortunately.
But hopefully they'll put a stop to it.
Okay, that's Mark in uh Las Vegas.
I believe he's one of the few Marx in the lower forty-eight who is not a certified guest host on the Rush Limbaugh uh show now, isn't it?
You uh you were just uh H.R. was you were just trying him out and seeing whether he uh Yeah, he did uh he did okay, isn't he?
Let's pencil him in for Thursday.
Okay, that's great.
We can always use more guest hosts call Mark on uh on this show.
Let's go to Marion in Moorhead, uh, Minnesota.
With a name like that, Marion's got no chance of guest hosting on the Rush Show, but we are glad to have you on the air, Marion.
Great to have you with us.
Hi, Mark.
It's nice to talk to you.
If I can't have Rush, I'd rather talk to you then.
Oh, that's that's uh that's very close close enough.
But you can talk to Rush again, he'll be back on Monday.
Okay.
Yeah, I was just going to comment on this fact that they didn't even write a a bill before they want people to to vote on it.
Yeah.
And I'm a nurse, and I you know, I went to school a long time ago, and I think they still have this rule.
But when you work in the operating room like I did, you had to have all the blanks filled out, all the forms filled out before you had surgery.
Right.
So, you know, they didn't take your arm off instead of your leg.
No.
You know, or the right side or whatever.
No, no, no, but but you w when once we have the uh nationalized uh health care, there'll be a lot of that.
Because they have those stories in in Britain uh quite a lot where you go in uh uh you know, you you you go in because you've got a uh a um a slight cyst on your back and you wake up the following morning and they've taken your leg off.
That happens all the time over there.
But so don't worry, we'll be getting that too.
But you say your point is that when you go w when when you're doing you know the end game, you know what you're there for.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And plus the fact that all the blanks have to be filled out.
Now I'm given to understand that on this bill, there's one line that says, well, they they have the right to add something else.
Nobody knows what it is.
So that that's not right.
I mean nobody knows what's even going to go on there.
No, and that actually is a very good uh definition of tyranny.
Uh that's an absolute that is in fact an absolute monarchy, where you've passed a bill uh that that's got a big open hole in it and says we'll we'll fill in the blanks later.
Uh you don't need you don't need to know what it is.
Uh and that's what's that's what's wrong with uh that's what's wrong with letting people uh uh legislate in this way.
I think the the least for start I would I would ban twelve hundred page bills.
If it's twelve hundred pages, uh chances are you shouldn't you shouldn't be voting for it.
Uh and what it does is it actually demoralizes and de-energizes the citizenry because it's saying to people, look, this stuff is all too complicated for you little people to figure out.
Uh so why don't you just leave it to the experts?
And the experts aren't anyone you can vote in or vote out.
They're just these anonymous uh aides, uh these congressional aides who wind up uh uh writing all the legislation.
And in fairness, uh when they uh used to um uh do these things, uh, you know, back in the bad old days when it was George the Third.
If you uh if you look at uh when he he uh hi the the Parliament passed the law uh about the taxes on T that led to the Boston Tea Party, that was a fairly straightforward bill.
You knew it was about T. You didn't need to read through eleven hundred pages of it and discover that T was subclause uh uh five hundred and seventy-three on page eleven hundred and thirty-one.
I mean, by definition, when it gets to twelve hundred pages, it's not compatible uh with a uh uh a legislative system that is accountable to uh to the public.
So you want it you want it to be like medical procedures, they've got to dot all the I's and and cross all the T's before they go in there, Marion.
Yeah, and it's one page long.
One page.
Yeah.
It's only one page long.
Say, you know, how how are we going to get them to fix it?
I mean, couldn't the people, the Republicans refuse to to even put up with it to sign it?
Or what w how do you get them to quit this?
Well, uh you can't you can't refuse to sign it when it does at the moment at the moment uh the the Republican Party doesn't even know uh as as uh John Boehner did when he was on the floor of the House.
Uh he he said who who are the people there's no one in this room who's read this.
Uh th there's no one in the room who knows what's who can reliably say what's in it, who knows what we're voting for, and he wound up dropping it on the floor, uh and there was a huge crash and the sound.
If if it things had gone the way it should have, the entire Capitol would have cracked asunder and the dome would have fallen to the ground and we could have started from scratch again.
Uh but uh but uh but this is not compatible with a truly free society.
Twelve hundred page bills that the legislators don't bother reading.
Well, I like the fact that he gave his little speech, but I think it should have gone beyond this little speech because now what?
I mean it didn't do anything in the end.
No, but what it has done, I think, is it has reframed the debate.
And I think it's put a uh a certain amount of pressure uh on uh people uh uh particularly these a lot of these so-called blue dog democrats.
I don't think they're really conservative in any meaningful sense, but a lot of them are in red states and represent conservative districts.
Uh and they if they want to get re-elected, they know that at some point they've got to draw a line under this.
Thanks very much for your call, uh, Marion.
Uh great to have you with us.
Mark Stein sitting in for rush on the EIB network.
Lots more straight ahead.
Mark Stein sitting in for Rush on the Rush Limbo Show.
Let's go quickly to Neil in uh Lafayette, Louisiana.
Neil, you're on the Rush Limbaugh show.
Hey, Mark, good afternoon.
Uh just wanna let you know I'm a longtime listener, first time caller, uh, and I think that you do an excellent job whenever you fill in for Rush.
First of all, I want to give uh some credit to my friend Matt Hagelston, who turned me uh uh I was I am a uh I am an admitted reformed liberal.
He he and uh uh you're a reformed liberal at this at this friend per persuaded you to see the light.
We're gonna we're gonna have to leave it there, Neil, because we uh we we we're way out of uh we're way out of time on this hour.
Uh I tell you what, can we keep Neil?
We'll keep Neil over we'll keep Neil and ha and uh get back to him in the uh in the next hour because we're right up against the clock here.
We'll talk to Neil in a moment on the Rush Slimbaugh show.
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