Welcome to today's edition of the Rush 24-7 podcast.
Hang on just a second here, folks.
Don, what what are you two arguing about in there?
The program has officially started.
Don't tell me you're not arguing.
I can tell you're arguing because Snerdley's not saying anything.
Folks, are you ready for the Resco Rescue?
The Resco Rescue Plan to be announced in mere moments by the BAMster.
President Obama, who's staying in a foreclosed resort out in Arizona.
He claims he didn't know that it was foreclosed when the staff decided to pick the place.
McCain also is going to use the same foreclosed resort to announce his campaign for a fifth term.
And I assume that neither of those two guys' staff people had any idea that this resort was foreclosed on a day that the Resco Rescue Plan is to be announced.
Greetings, folks.
How are you?
Great to have you here.
Rush Limbaugh, the EIB network, the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies.
He's staying at a resort.
Well, I mean, you got a big staff.
You got to stay someplace, and it's a resort, hotel, whatever it is, but it's it's uh it's foreclosed.
The same kind of place the AIG guys go.
Uh yeah, and the and the same and the same kind of place that the Citibank people go.
Uh the same kind of place people fly their private jets to when they go there.
Uh Obama's staying there.
Here's the phone number, 800-282-2882.
The email address, excuse me, is Ilrushbo at EIB net.com.
Now, ladies and gentlemen, I've if for those of you uh along the line, the the the board opposite at our over 600 affiliate radio stations.
I'll a couple uh questions today.
Are you going to join in progress?
Are you going to carry the Obama announcement?
No.
We are not going to carry the announcement.
This is strategic of Obama to cancel uh try to try to preempt this program or to get himself on this program.
Because if he gets himself on this program, I am not on the program.
I'm not going to fall for this.
The timing of these press conferences, uh, these uh special announcements and so forth yesterday's was at 2 40.
We didn't jip that.
We've got the statement, we've got the prepared text, we know what he's gonna say.
Cookie and the team are rolling on it, we'll have the sound bites, but I don't need to wait for what Obama is gonna say about this to be able to tell you what is coming.
The reason I call this the Resco Rescue is that Barack Obama knows how hard it is to get what you want when it comes to buying a home.
But with guys like Tony Rezco, you can always get what you want, whether you can afford it or not.
As I've looked at the parameters of the Obama housing plan, I would think that you victims of Bernie Madoff, uh, people who lost big value in their IRAs and their 401ks, home mortgage companies who lost out in the crisis, all these people could legitimately get in line for free money.
What Obama's plan, let me give you a brief overview of this plan, as we know about it from several news sources and uh including the New York Times.
There are two groups, two groups of homeowners here that are being looked at by the plan.
The first group is made up of people who cannot afford their mortgages.
By the way, the price of this is 75 billion.
That is a key number about which I'm gonna make a salient point in mere moments.
The first group is made up of people who cannot afford their mortgages and have fallen behind on their monthly payments.
Many of the people here in Group One took out loans they were never going to be able to afford.
Now, how does that happen?
The New York Times just glosses over this, but how in the name of Sam Hill do you take out a loan that you were never gonna be able to afford?
It seems that somebody had to tell the lender to do that.
And we know that's exactly what happened.
The Community Redevelopment Act started with Carter, beefed up with Clinton.
Uh, it was one of the specialties of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.
It's called Affordable Housing.
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack bought up all this worthless paper, started inventing all kinds of things, derivatives and you name it to try to give value to this worthless paper, and that got us largely in the place that we're in now.
Many people took out loans they were never gonna be able to afford.
Never.
That means somebody knew from day one they were never going to be able to pay back the loans.
Some of these people have since lost their jobs.
They are still in the homes.
About three million households fall into category number one, and without help, they will lose their homes.
So the first group is made up of three million people who can't afford the mortgages, who took out loans they were never going to be able to afford.
The second group is far larger.
It is made up of more than 10 million households that can afford their monthly payments, but whose houses are worth less than what is owed on their mortgages in real estate parlance, they're underwater.
If they want to stay in their homes, they'll have no trouble doing so.
But some may choose to walk out voluntarily rather than continue to make payments on an investment that may never pay off.
Obama has apparently decided to focus on the first group based on the previews of his speech that his aides have put out there.
So let me sum this up for you.
75 billion dollars in the Resco Rescue Plan.
It is going to go to group one.
People who couldn't afford the house and mortgages they entered into in the first place.
Group two is going to get hardly anything, maybe nothing.
They are made up of over 10 million people.
They are making payments on their homes, but they're underwater because of the plunge in housing prices caused by the first group.
The larger group making their payments, but their value of their home is plummeted, gonna get nothing, the plunge in their housing prices, the value of their home caused by group one.
The responsible people in the second group are gonna get the equivalent of diddly squat.
What Obama is going to do is bail out the first group, which has contributed directly to the misfortune faced by the second group.
So to personalize this, you live in a house, you're making the mortgage payments, but the price of your house is plummeted.
It's now worth less than what your payments will add up to.
A lousy investment.
You can stay in your house, but not much can be done to raise the value of your house.
The first group, which had no prayer of ever being able to pay it back and is not paying their mortgages, that's who's going to be bailed out.
In the Redsco plan.
Well, you in the second group, you do get $8 a week in the tax credit plan in this in the porculus bill.
Uh it's not as though that you you you're you're you're getting you're getting nothing.
From Obama's prepared remarks, it will establish a $75 billion fund, his bailout plan here, to reduce monthly payments for another three million to four million homeowners stuck in subprime mortgages they can't afford as a result of skyrocketing interest rates or personal misfortune.
Personal misfortune.
How big is that loophole?
You could fly Air Force One through that loophole.
How many of us have not had personal misfortune because of all this?
How many of you would kids go into college of seeing your college fund cut by half?
Is that not personal misfortune?
The initiative is intended to reach millions of responsible homeowners who are struggling to afford their mortgage payments because of the current recession, yet can't sell their homes because prices have fallen significantly.
Now, I don't know the the uh text doesn't say what he's gonna do for this group.
It talks of what he's gonna do for group one.
By making these investments in foreclosure prevention today, we will save ourselves the cost of foreclosure tomorrow.
Costs borne not just by families with troubled loans, but by their neighbors and communities and by our economy as a whole.
And it's too bad.
It's just too bad that we all didn't have Tony Rezco to get us a good deal on our houses like he did for Obama.
Obama got a house he couldn't afford, but the way he did it was Resco With Rezco and his wife.
So this plan, we ought to call this the Resco Rescue.
Getting a great deal on a house you could never afford, and then having a sugar daddy, in this case, the federal government come along and make it whole and make it good.
Now, if you're in the second group, and I'm surprised, I think this group is a lot larger than 10 million people who have seen the value of their homes plunder.
I'm surprised it's got to be more than 10 million people.
You have to understand that the three to four million who can't pay, who were never going to be able to pay, they are the ones getting bailed out.
That's classic Obama.
Obama has a mindset that this country treats the disadvantaged very poorly and does so on purpose.
I think Obama has got a bug in his hair.
I I think I think I think he's got a chip on his shoulder about race.
I think he's got a chip on his shoulder about poverty.
I think he believes it's caused and planned and maintained by power brokers.
And I think what Obama's doing behind all the flowery rhetoric is getting even.
He's happy to see Wall Street go to hell.
He's happy to see these big time execs, be it at Wall Street, be it the auto industry, he's glad to see them come begging to Washington.
He's he's glad to see them hurting.
I think Obama epitomizes what I have said about liberalism.
You spread misery equally.
That's how you get equality.
And so now it's uh he's he's the agent for people who he sees at the bottom of the scale in capitalism, who are victims of capitalism, and he's standing up for them at the expense of everybody else.
The government, Barack Obama now picking winners and losers, which is one of the definitions of centralized authority, central planning uh government.
What Obama needs, and this is a New York Times passage, the Obama approach brings risk because the administrative administration is betting that very few of you in group two, you underwater homeowners will walk away.
And by the way, a year from now, according to Moody's Economy.com, a year from now, the number of homeowners underwater, that is your payments are worth more than your house is, will number about 15 million.
If those people begin to abandon their homes in large numbers, just walk away from them, they will aggravate the housing bust and the financial crisis and probably force the administration to come up with a new, much larger housing bailout down the road.
So Obama is figuring that those of you in the group two who are going to sit by and watch people in group one who could never afford the loans they got be bailed out.
Well, you're not.
They expect you're just going to stay there in your home and continue to pour money into a losing investment rather than walk out of your mortgage or walk out of your house.
That's what he's banking on, that you'll sit there and basically get sand kicked in your face from the bully on the beach.
If even ten percent, this this is Frederick, Michigan, a member of the Fed Reserve Board of Governors until last year.
If even ten percent of the underwater homeowners just walk away from their houses, foreclosures would soar, exacerbating the economy's many problems.
So pressure is now gonna be brought to bear on those of you in group two that while you're seeing group one be bailed out, you hang in there and be tough.
You go ahead and throw money into your losing investment.
They're banking in the fact you're gonna do this because you need a roof, and because you need shelter, and because you can't afford the monthly payment.
They're banking on the fact that you're gonna continue to throw money into a losing investment, and they're counting on the fact that you're gonna hope and pray that over time the value of your house will come back.
Now I've got to take a break.
When we come back, I want to take these numbers that we just heard about.
We heard three to four million, we heard ten million.
So we're talking, what, thirteen, fourteen million people.
I want to I want to use that number and put this 75 billion dollars to work because basically what we're talking about here is 75 billion dollars to help About nine or ten million families.
How does that math work out?
Snerdley is telling me during the break that he bought his house at the top of the market.
He's one of these people underwater.
The bank has told him there's no equity in his house.
Now, what was your question?
You can you you want to be able to call a bank and get a lower payment.
Well, now there is a Reuters version of all this, and it's the only version which says that some four to five million of you in group two might be offered some refinancing help.
I'll go through that in just a second.
But Reuters is the only place that has that take.
The New York Times, everybody else puts these people in group one and two.
Group one's gonna get the bailout, uh, and group two is gonna get very little.
And and this is based on the pre-released, the released text of Obama's statement.
We'll know the facts if he's changed it uh uh before he speaks when he speaks.
Now, CNBC, they have a reporter there named Michelle Caruso Cabrera, and she said the new Obama housing plan is going to give a break to those who least deserve it.
People who bought more house than they could afford.
It's gonna reward those who made all the wrong decisions.
Think this through for a second.
Your home value, along with all your neighbors, has gone down in value in the last year.
But now your neighbor who bought above his means and could never ever have any prayer making the payments because of a reset to the real monthly cost of the loan is suddenly going to get a gift.
What about you?
You did the right thing.
You didn't buy more than you could afford, but you don't get a break.
Now the Reuters version of the story is this.
President Obama's much anticipated plan aims to help as many as nine million families avoid uh foreclosure on their homes, one of the root causes of the global financial meltdown.
I keep I read these sentences and I want to go off on tangents explaining them and how they're wrong and and and all that, but uh let me stick with the elements here.
The plan not only helps responsible homeowners on the verge of defaulting, but prevents neighborhoods and communities from being pulled over the edge too, according to a summary of the plan that Obama is delivering now.
Now, here's what Reuters says.
It aims to help four million to five million responsible homeowners to refinance and another three million to four million by lowering the risk of imminent default with a seventy-five billion dollar homeowner stability initiative.
It'll help reduce their monthly payments.
Now let's let's just wait till he's finished.
We're rolling tape on this, and we'll have the definitive word when he's finished with his presentation out there.
I want to focus on the 75 billion dollars.
Reuters says it's nine million families.
Let's let's round it off and make it ten.
The New York Times says we're talking about ten million who are not gonna get help, three to four million who are.
So we've got a disparity here of thirteen to fourteen versus nine or ten, but regardless, ninety-nine, let's use the nine million number.
What do you think the total mortgage?
What do you think the the payoff for these people's mortgage would be?
Max number.
These people didn't go out and buy two million dollar houses.
They're buying houses that are what, 500,000, 400,000, 700?
What are the what?
Three three and four hundred thousand.
People who could never afford it, you figure they're in that range, okay?
So let's use 300.
99% of the bailout families need about $300,000 to completely pay off a mortgage.
And I did a little research on this, and I have some friends of mine.
They would need only 160,000 to be out of their mortgage and the equity loan we got for remodeling the house.
And and they're not in group one, and these are people in group two.
75 billion dollars, and nine million people are let's let's up it to 500.
Brian, do the math.
And every time I do this, we get it wrong.
I don't care who I ask to do the math, it always ends up wrong, and I get scientists and mathematic people sending me emails with the correction.
I need I need uh nine million times three hundred thousand.
I'm sure some of you wizards out there are doing this in your head, and you have come up with the number.
What I do know is it ain't gonna be 75 billion dollars.
Whatever this bailout is gonna cost, it is not going to be 75 billion dollars.
This is what I was talking about yesterday when I said that the states and the federal government has boatloads of money, it's just being spent in wasteful, stupid ways that nobody ever questions.
You just see, okay, we're gonna bail out what nine million people.
Wow, that's wonderful.
We don't want people to suffer, Mr. Limbaugh.
We want people to have a fair thought, just like you have.
It's been unfair, Mr. Limbaugh, that you've been able to acquire so much, and so many people have so little.
So what we're gonna do is the only fair thing to do, all right.
Fine.
Nine million mortgages, three hundred thousand.
I still don't have a number.
It's called a calculator.
27 plus 11 zeros.
I'm gonna do this myself.
It all I got three people working.
2.7 trillion, 2.7 trilli.
Well, this just makes it even more ridiculous that that's the right number.
And we're back, El Rush Ball and the Excellence in Broadcasting Network, where we have more fun than a human being should be allowed to have.
All right, so if we're gonna take nine million of these people who um uh overstepped and took out loans, they had no chance.
Of course, that's that's uh I don't think that's the actual number now, according to the New York Times, because the stories are conflicting.
I just listened to Obama uh a little bit.
Uh-da-sh.
I guess it's three to four million people that we're gonna bail out.
And he just said that group two, if you are in group two, there will be uh some uh homeowner stability.
They're gonna help you refinance your mortgage, they're gonna have a judge do this, but not all of you in group two, they don't have the money for they're gonna do all of you in group two, but uh three to four million of you he's calling responsible homeowners who played by the rules and the value of your home is plummeted, value of your home is plummeted, they're gonna find a way, he says, to to help you refinance.
You're gonna do all this for 75 billion dollars.
Now, we just, as you know, ran the numbers, and just using the numbers here in the Reuters story, if nine million families were helped out in total and just using a mortgage figure of 300 grand, if the government came in and just paid off every troubled mortgage in this category we're talking about, it would cost 2.7 trillion dollars.
Obviously, they're not doing that.
They're spending $75 billion to help nine million families.
Now, this this is gonna work out to about $8,000 a family if this is if this is the way I mean you divide $79 billion by nine million, and you're a little bit over what?
$8,000?
Doing the number in my head here?
Now, something here is something not working out about this.
If you you could look at it this way.
If you get nine million families in pro in trouble, just give them each a million bucks.
What have we spent nine million dollars?
If you have nine million homeowners in trouble here, and you really want to get this problem off the books, give them each a million dollars.
I'm not advocating this, I'm I'm I'm running some numbers here.
And we could save a boatload of money.
I'm looking right here.
75 billion to help nine million families.
Nine million, one million each.
What would that be?
Yeah, that's right, nine trillion.
Can't do that.
So so um there's the point is this the the numbers, no matter how you crunch them, they don't add up to offering anybody any serious relief here.
Wait, we figured out knowing the values that we're talking about in uh in in mortgages that either people are never going to be able to repay or um the second group that's not going to get much of a uh of a bailout at all.
So 75 billion divided by nine million, somebody run that.
That I'm figuring that's going to be around uh 8,000.
I'm doing that in my head.
But I uh I know you're saying, why didn't you do this before the program began?
Because I didn't think about it before the program.
I do my best thinking when I'm on the air.
And sometimes it causes us to go through these match and I really didn't think about it.
I was focusing on other areas of this, which are this.
The bottom line here, folks, you played by the rules, and you're gonna get shafted.
The people who didn't, the people who were given these loans who never ever had a prayer of paying them back, who should not have been given the loans in the first place, but were because of Democrat Party politics, are now gonna get totally bailed out.
We are bailing out the losers in Obama's plan.
There's a pattern here.
Whatever it costs, and whatever the thinking behind it.
We are bailing out losers, and I there has to be a reason for this, a strategic reason, perhaps a political reason, ideological reason, and I think I know what it is.
I have I have studied what Obama has said.
I've studied where he came from.
I've studied those things that he was exposed to when he was growing up.
And I and I I think race is a central factor in determining Obama's worldview.
And I we heard him talk yesterday from 1998 about welfare reform.
And he clearly believes that welfare reform was designed to punish black inner city families and people.
I think he believes that capitalism, and he either believes it on his own or he's been taught it and believes it, or it's a combination of things.
But he was raised.
He was raised by people who have a huge chip on their shoulder about achievers.
And I think that uh, and he grew up that way and he became radical, acorn and so forth.
And I really think that when he says we are going to transform this country, I really think what he means is I am out to punish the achievers.
I want the achievers to find out what it's like to be on the lower end of the ladder.
I want the achievers to find out how their success has made people poor.
He believes that people in the lower socioeconomic groups are there because of oppressive tactics, selfishness uh of the and the power of the people who have achieved.
And his definition of people who have achieved is pretty low.
75 grand, 100 grand, you've achieved, and you're you're you're facing a tax increase when we get to that point.
And I I think there's some anger uh that has that has been uh effervescing in Obama and his people, and we know that's the case.
The entire left wing in this country is just fulminating with rage.
They are filled with it.
It is they get up angry, they go to bed angry, they spend the whole day mad.
They're mad irrationally so.
Obama does a good job of masking his rage, but look at his preacher, Jeremiah Wright.
There you talk about angry.
Look at Father Flegger.
The people that have and and and William Ayers angry uh at the inequities and the unfairness of capitalism, blow up the Pentagon.
You know, all these things we tried to say during the campaign matter.
Everybody said, no, no, no, no.
Now those are ancient associations, Obama didn't know these people.
You can't be held responsible.
Wrong.
We're now watching it play out in front of our eyes.
We're watching the results of anger at what these people consider to be the inequities and the unfairness of capitalism get get squared away.
This the porculus bill contains many things identical in in principle and uh and how they work to this uh To this whole housing bailout thing.
Look at who the focus is on.
The focuses on people who never had a chance of paying back the loan.
To them, to Obama, these people are victims.
They're victims.
They're victims of predatory lenders.
You know, Obama does not stop to think, doesn't re or doesn't want to admit that predatory lenders were made predatory by acts of Congress.
And by pressure from Congress, by pressure from the Clinton Justice Department, the name of Janet Reno.
And so all of these people that have no business being in a house based on their ability to afford it.
Are now in the housing slump and the overall economic decline.
I mean, they're being foreclosed on, which is the normal thing to do.
Oh no, we can't have that.
Can't have that.
We can't kick these people out of their homes because of the actions of others.
We can't kick these people out of their homes because of the achievers.
We can't let predatory lenders kick these people out of their homes.
It isn't fair.
These people are entitled to home just as though, just as just as you people who can afford them are entitled to them.
That's that's what's I I've I've I've thought about this, and I really do believe that there is a reservoir of anger that is behind every Obama legislative initiative and idea.
He keeps slamming George Bush.
He said we got to send 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan.
Why?
Because we haven't been bold enough and smart enough in Afghanistan.
We haven't done that right.
Everything that he is doing, he's blaming on Bush and claiming without saying the words that Bush was incompetent, didn't do enough here, didn't do enough there, even though the spending was record.
So there's there's anger behind all of this that he camouflages exceptionally well, that he masks very well, he comes across as something far more than anger.
It's the people don't even see that about him.
But when you boil this all down, the housing bailout, there are two groups, and in that group that paid nothing, couldn't afford to pay the loan from the moment they were granted the mortgage.
They are getting, they're the primary recipients of the bailout money.
I gotta do a quick timeout.
We'll take it, be back and continue after this.
Hi, welcome back.
Great to have you, Rush.
Limbaugh, my I might sound like I'm smiling.
My blood is boiling.
I just listened to a little bit of President Obama during the break.
We're in the midst of doing a bailout.
We're gonna bail out millions of people who never ever were able to pay back their mortgages.
They were never ever, ever going to be able to repay the loans, yet they got them.
How does that happen?
Obama just said that it is time banks and lenders begin to accept their responsibility for this crisis.
And then he admonished everybody to start living within their means, and the crowd went nuts and said, You can't run around.
He actually said this.
The days are gone where you can assume that when you buy your house, it's just gonna increase and increase and increase in value.
You can't live your life as though that's going to happen.
Okay, great, Bamster.
You sit there and talk down the economy all you want.
And you know who he's aiming this at?
Every every speech he makes is aimed at people who think they are victims of this country.
And he is their champion.
And he is not gonna make their lives any better because it's not possible.
We don't have enough money to give everybody to make their lives better.
He's gonna punish the people he thinks are responsible for them being victims.
And that includes the banks and the lenders and the car companies and the predatory this, the predatory that.
I didn't realize until this day...
It didn't I perhaps because I didn't want to believe it.
But I didn't realize, and I've only heard, you know, three or four minutes of this speech in the midst of commercial breaks.
I didn't realize the rage or the anger That is propelling the policies of this man and his rhetoric.
His audiences in Fort Myers to town meeting, uh, wherever else he was prior to that, and then today, it's the so-called victims of society.
The losers in life's lottery.
People who by no act of their own end up getting the shaft.
That's who he's aiming at.
That's who he's telling life is going to get better.
And how is it going to get better?
Because the predatory people, they're going to get theirs.
Little code language that these victims understand.
Banks and list lenders have to accept responsibility.
Wall Street executives have to accept their responsibility for this crisis.
The only group, the only place in any Obama speech that is exempt from blame is government.
Oh, he'll use the word from Washington to Wall Street.
We've got to get our act together.
But he doesn't single out anything as predatory in Washington.
He doesn't single out anything in Washington as negative except if it happened in the Bush years or in the Reagan years.
So this homeowner bailout and the TARP, or rather, the uh the porculus bill.
Pork, and it's it's all aimed at two things, shoring up the Democrat Party for as long as possible, and making sure that the uh winners of life's lottery, quote unquote, Dick Hart, the achievers in this country continue to take it on the chin.
Now there's a fascinating story today at twincities.com.
And it is by Nicole Garrison Springer.
It was actually posted uh yesterday.
And it's about the president, the CEO of U.S. Bank Corp.
His name is Richard Davis.
He says it's about the TARP plan.
He says there is no AR or P in the troubled asset relief program.
It's just troubled.
Richard Davis, 50-year-old CEO, said at the Thrivent Financial for Lutherans Business Leaders Forum that, and they invited executives to discuss how businesses and their and their principles intersect.
During his talk, the CEO of Bank Corp, U.S. Bank Corp, said that while government officials marketed the TARP program as a way to entice banks to lend again, TARP actually was designed to give solid banks like his U.S. Bank Corp, some extra cash to buy weaker banks in the system.
And U.S. Bank Corp did just that late last year when it acquired the assets of a couple of failed banks in California, Downey Savings and Loan and PFF Bank and Trust.
He says, Richard Davis, CEO U.S. Bank Corp.
We were told to take TARP money so that we could help Darwin synthesize the weaker banks and acquire those and put them under different leadership.
Now we were not allowed to mention that.
We were supposed to say that TARP money was used for lending.
This CEO told a group of people that TARP was never about credit.
It was about Darwinism.
It was about giving big banks the money to go by little banks that were in trouble.
The CEO Richard Davis says he's talking about it now because he and others oppose current and future strings attached to the program.
He didn't detail the strings, but he said he and some peers intend to voice their opinions in Washington soon.
Now don't forget, the CEO of Wells Fargo also said he didn't want the money.
They weren't in trouble.
They didn't have any bad mortgages out there.
He said they were dragged in there, and the Treasury Secretary gave them till 5 o'clock that day to sign on to TARP, and they weren't getting out of the room until they signed it.
Okay, so they give us the money, they tell us to use the money to go by smaller banks, And now they're punishing us for having the capital.
He said he refuses to stand by and let his company become collateral damage in an attempt to nationalize the banks.
He disclosed that a number of other states and cities have been working hard to lure U.S. bank corp away from Twin Cities, but he's not going to leave.
He refuses to stand by and let his company become collateral damage.
So one of the bank corps, so one of the bank CEOs is out there now and saying this is never about lending.
It was never about restocking the credit pile.
It was about giving us capital to go by other banks, and that's exactly what happened.
And then remember how mad Congress got at these guys?
They got ripped for it.
That's what they were told to do by the Treasury Secretary.
They were called up to explain themselves to Barney Frank, and they couldn't go public with this.
They're frustrated as hell.
I guess that's why Davis has gone public with it now.