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Jan. 29, 2009 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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January 29, 2009, Thursday, Hour #2
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Hiya folks, great to have you back.
It's Rush Limbaugh.
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I have been looking forward to the next few minutes uh ever since this uh interview with Coach Tony Dungey was uh put together, recently retired from the Indianapolis Colts coming off his uh r a million copies on his first book, Quiet Strength.
This book is uncommon uh is the title, Finding Your Path to Significance.
Coach Dungey, welcome here.
I can't tell you how thrilled and honored I am to be able to speak to you, sir.
Well, thank you, Russ.
I feel the same.
It's uh great being on with you and uh thank you for having me.
I have to ask you about this uh the the on on the uh on the flyer, the uh inside panel of the cover uh from uh your your coach at the University of Minnesota, Cal Stoll.
Success is uncommon.
Therefore not to be enjoyed by the common man, he said, I'm looking for uncommon people.
Now I find it fascinating uh because we in this country we want success to be common, uh, and and unfortunately the coach here is right.
Success is an uncommon thing.
People who write books on how to be successful uh make a lot of money.
What w how how did you interpret that when the coach said that to you?
Well i it made a big impact on me because uh you come in, I was seventeen years old, a freshman.
I'm coming in with thirty-four other guys, and he sits us down and says, Hey, everybody's coming here, you think it's gonna be great, you're excited, we're excited to have you, but not all of you are going to succeed.
Um and the guys that are going to succeed are gonna do it with uh uncommon effort, they're gonna do it with uncommon drive, and um you know, you you can't be average.
Uh you can't desire to just be average to go with the crowd.
Those people are gonna fall by the wayside, and that's what I'm looking for.
And and uh it kind of had an impact on me right away because uh I did.
I came in and figured, hey, everybody's gonna be the same, we're all gonna do great, and and he was saying, no, greatness doesn't come uh it doesn't just happen.
And so that stuck, I think, with all thirty-five of those freshmen, and it it made me think he also then expanded on it, and he said, Well, how how can you be uncommon if that's what I'm looking for?
Uh he said, number one, you can have a talent that sets you apart.
You can be faster, bigger, stronger, throw farther, but that's only gonna be one percent of the world.
Most people have to be uncommon by having the desire to do things that everyone else could, but but doesn't.
And uh that that part stuck with me.
And then uh four years later I go to the NFL and Coach Noel, my my coach with the Steelers, in his first meeting, he said that this is a great game, want you to enjoy it, but it's not life, and it's not your life's work.
You have to have some passion outside of football uh where you're gonna devote your life to to make things better, to make your community better.
So that was kind of the basis for this book, taking those two thoughts that uh what can you do to set yourself apart to not just flow with the crowd, and what is your life's work gonna be?
What what do you really want to do to make the world better?
In our culture today, uh, and I I think this is largely a product of the baby boom generation, which was raised for the most part, uh, with uh economic abundance, uh economic opportunity, and the and the baby boom generation, and I'm a member of it, uh, has has had the freedom and the time to be so self-focused that we've gotten to a point in our in our country in too many segments of it where we're we're trying to reward average because we say average has been victimized.
The average people are there victims of the people who have been successful.
Do you find it uh in any way contradictory to stand so strongly for uncommon success when all around us is an effort to reward averageness?
Well, I I think it's easy to fall into that uh situation where you think that that's good, that's okay, and uh because that's where most people fall, that that should be rewarded.
But I think as a country, we've always taken that approach that you should strive to excel.
We want to be the the greatest country, uh, and we've just got to put that in the right parameters.
What does that mean?
And uh the same thing for an individual.
You you want to be significant, you want to do something special, But what does that mean?
Is that just earning the most that you can?
Is that just being uh having the type of job that you want or or is it something more than that?
And I I guess I've always looked at it as kind of the spiritual side of of life and uh what does it mean to really be significant?
But uh there there's I I I agree with you.
I think there's something wrong when when you say that just being average, just getting by is okay.
Well, let me ask you this, because I'm fascinated.
You deal with professional athletes, and you've dealt with uh with college athletes, football players.
Uh what you're I think is football football athletes are a unique group as compared to baseball or or other team sports.
Uh d do you when you look out over the country, and I'm I'm sure this is part of your book, you you believe that there are many more uncommonly successful people out there who are still average.
They can reach uncommonness, they can reach success, they just don't quite know how, or they haven't got the right mentors.
Absolutely.
I think the potential in so many, especially our young people today, I see it, they they have tremendous abilities, tremendous potential, but uh they've kind of been given the idea that I I can just go along with the crowd.
Everyone else is doing this, so why do anything to set myself apart?
Um and I don't know where that that comes from.
That's the great thing about athletics.
The guys that come to us have that drive to set themselves apart.
That's what makes a Super Bowl champion, that desire that I I don't want to come in second place.
I want to do everything in my power to to get to be the best.
And I think if we take that attitude and and point it towards significant things, not just winning football games or not just uh making money, uh we we can you know have a country that is uncommon.
Well, that's in fact what you want to do now that you've left uh you've left the National Football League.
You want to work in your ministry, you want to work with disadvantaged people, uh and you you want to try to tell them and teach them what you've learned and and be their spark, correct?
That is for me.
Um and I saw it just in the last couple of years in Indianapolis.
Um we had this past year the the highest homicide r rate that we've had in the summer.
That was the worst three months in the history of the city.
Uh we've right now in the public school have a nineteen percent graduation rate with with males in the Indianapolis public schools.
And uh I talked to these kids and they they've got so much more than that that that's available to them.
And I just felt like I was sitting there uh reaching a group that was twenty-two to thirty-five years old, and I thought I could do a little bit more in reaching uh guys before they got to that point and helping younger kids tap in on that potential, like so many people help me.
We're talking to uh Coach Tony Dungey, author of the book Uncommon, finding your path to significance.
Now, folks, I want to read you some of the parts.
Uh there are chapters, but uh but they are they comprise parts, and I want to go through these.
This th th there there is not a wasted page in Coach Dungey's book, Develop Your Core is part one.
Part two is Love Your Family.
Uh and the and the chapters there are Fatherhood, How to Treat a Woman, Respect Authority, Part Three, Lift Your Friends and Others.
It's about friendship and the power of uh positive influence.
Part four is your full potential.
Part five, establish a mission that matters.
Part six, this is the one.
Coach, I really want to ask you about this because there's so much of this in our culture today.
Uh both pop culture, professional culture throughout society.
You say choose influence over image.
Well now that's a part, and there are four chapters in this part, respect for yourself and others, sexual integrity platforms role model.
Would you explain what you mean by choosing influence over image?
Well, I I think right now our kids, and I have uh seventeen-year-old, I have a twenty-four-year-old, and then we have three young children, but they are very, very much into image.
What do I look like?
What do people think I look like?
Um, you know, I've got to have drive a certain car, I've got to dress a certain way.
Uh all of those things that that young people feel are important.
And I I probably was the same way to a certain extent, but uh that's not the most important thing.
And um that's what you try to get across that influence and maybe you shaping what people should want to be like as opposed to saying I want to be like someone else.
I want to be like society says I should be.
Right.
Choosing how you influence people rather than how they perceive you.
But you know it's not just kids.
I mean I work in the media.
There is so much phoniness in the media.
So many people come that are that are just concerned with their image when they're not number one.
They want a PR firm to tell people they are.
It pervades our society in so many ways.
And as such, nobody knows what's real.
Yeah.
Well I know when I uh was an assistant coach and I started interviewing for for head coaching jobs I I actually lost out on many jobs, several jobs, and the complaint that I got was well he doesn't fit the mold of a head coach.
He doesn't look the part he he's not gonna jump up and down.
He's not going to scream he's not going to motivate these these guys the way they need to be because they looked at at my image and not really looked at what was inside of me.
So I had a a decision to make I could try to say well okay I'm gonna change my image to try to get one of these jobs or I'm gonna continue to be true to myself and hopefully somebody will recognize that.
And that's what happened.
I I made a decision I wasn't going to change.
I did end up getting the Tampa job and that was one of the motivations for me over the last thirteen years as a head coach to show people that hey you don't have to be like people perceive you should be in this job.
I can be effective.
I can put out a winning football team and maybe break the stereotype of what a coach should look like.
All successful people have gotten a break.
There's a moment in their lives where things fall correctly.
What was yours?
If you look back through your whole life, not just a Tampa head coach job, but you had to put in a lot of hard work before them.
Who gave you your break, say, to get out of playing and into coaching?
The biggest break I got was really coming out of college.
I was a quarterback in college.
to go to the NFL and I didn't get drafted.
Um I I then became a free agent.
I could sign with whoever I wanted to and I ended up going to Pittsburgh.
They offered me a contract and that's where I hooked up with first of all a great group of Christian players that kind of helped me develop my character but I also met Chuck Knowle there and uh he taught me as a as a player he talked about um doing something significant in life your life's work and not just playing football uh but then he gave me a chance to go in his coaching staff at twenty five years old and uh taught me how to be a coach.
Interesting that's fascinating and the Steelers are in the Super Bowl uh this weekend which we'll talk about with Coach Dungey and some other things after this brief timeout.
Again Coach Tony Dungey and his new book Uncommon Finding Your Path to Significance.
We'll be right back after this.
And we're back.
We're talking with uh Tony Dungey, uh coach of the National Football League Indianapolis Colts recently retired about his great new book Uncommon Finding Your Path to Significance part six of the coach's book is Live Your Faith and the chapters there are uh eternal self-esteem, relationship with Christ, faith, purpose, significance.
I have a question for you about purpose because uh you're talking here about uncommon people bec or common people becoming un uncommon uh enjoying greatness and success uh I was fortunate in my life.
I knew when I was nine or ten what I wanted to do and I for this sake of discussing your book I'll call it my purpose.
Okay.
What do you tell people who don't know what their purpose is and and how how do you tell them to find it?
Well you know what that's not uh that's not all that odd.
Um many people uh my kids are going through the the same thing now I've got a daughter who's twenty four who really thinks she knows what she wants to do but not quite sure.
And uh you'll find it I think it's a combination of of what the Lord gives you.
He gives you desires and things you enjoy and then he gives you things that that you're gifted at and at some point those things are going to come together and the those that uh opportunity is going to come in an area that you enjoy that you have a passion about and uh that you're good at and uh you just have to keep seeking that and until uh it becomes evident.
But I I think the Lord makes it pretty clear to you.
Did you know your purpose before Coach Knowles said this is football.
You've got to start thinking about your life's work.
Did you know what your purpose was when he said that no I really didn't uh at the time I I felt like I wanted to play for about ten years and then go into business.
I was a business major at the University of Minnesota, so uh in the off season back then my players laugh now when I tell them the story, but we all had off season jobs.
Uh I worked at Mellon Bank one year, I went to Heinz to Dayton Hudson.
I tried all these different jobs, and I enjoyed them and I was using my education, but it never that spark never lit.
And uh I thought I was gonna have about six or seven more years to to figure that out.
I got traded a couple times, eventually got cut, and uh I was at the end of my football career, and uh Coach Noel called me and he said, I think you've got a real aptitude for this game, and would you like to try coaching?
And the first day I was on the job, I couldn't wait to get back the next day, and and that's when I knew I wanted to be a coach.
You guys work such long hours.
When did you find time to write this book, Coach?
I mean you had to put this this book together uh well, at least in the last season and a half, and and I know that you were traveling to Tampa every Friday for your sons uh football games and so forth and going back to Indianapolis or traveling on the road for games, and this is not an insignificant book.
I mean, how did you find time to do this?
Well, there was another lesson I learned from Coach Noel.
Uh we work a lot of hours in the NFL, but uh I don't work as many hours as maybe some people do, and he always felt that uh you had to have time away from the game, you had to have family time, and he was successful doing it, and I just uh you know, really uh maybe a little bit more efficient in how we do it and maybe just a little more secure in being able to say I don't have to be there eighteen hours to prove to people people that we're working hard.
So uh I don't think maybe I don't have the hours that some people have, but it was a uh a project of love.
Uh Nathan Whitaker who wrote the book with me.
Uh we did a lot of back and forth communicating facts and talking on the phone and it it did take a while, but uh it was something that we enjoyed doing and we did it most uh throughout most of the off season.
Ah, all right.
Coach Dungey is with us his new book success or is uh uncommon is uh finding your s your path to significance.
Coach, I want to ask you something because I'm I've I've got checked my email here during the interview, and there's some people um who want to ask for clarification on the quote from your first coach at Minnesota, Cal Stoll, who said success is uncommon.
There are a lot of people think that America is made up of a lot of successful people, that that's what determines and has determined America's greatness.
Yet your coach said that success is uncommon.
I guess this def depends on how we define success.
That's exactly right.
And uh you know, you ha you have to look at that what is really successful, and he talked about that too and elaborate on it that success is really fulfilling your potential.
It's not the how many games you win.
Uh it's not uh the fact that you were a Pro Bowl player or you weren't.
Uh what did you have the potential to do?
And if you came close to that, if you maximize that, then you were a success in God's eyes.
And so many of us ha do things that the world would say is successful, but we have so much more potential.
Let me ask you about the Super Bowl if you have a couple of minutes.
I do.
Are you I you're you're gonna be working the pregame for MBC or some of the game itself?
I'm actually doing the pregame show for NBC, yes.
And you're you're doing that with Coach Holmgren.
Yes.
And they've added a couple of other people uh it's it's uh it's a crowded field.
You know, y I'm amazed, coaching.
I I I watch former coaches who go into television talk about the game, and I'm a fan.
I love the National Football League.
And they they they end up talking about the game the way I do, and I've never played it.
I've never been involved in it.
Uh it's it's uh uh I I guess there's some things that you have to keep close to the vest, especially if you want to get back into the game, but it is this game uh the National Football League particularly is so um I think even though it's the most watched game on television, I if people could watch one of these games on the sidelines, see the speed, the collisions and so forth.
I mean, I the average American speaking of average.
The average successful American wouldn't last one offensive series in national football.
These guys are so tough that play this game.
Well it is, but it's interesting you say that that coaches talk about the game like like you do because uh really that that's one of the secrets of it.
The game is not that complicated.
Um it it really we try to make it seem more complicated than it is.
There are uh tenants that I learned, you know, thirty years ago from Coach Noel that are never gonna change.
And uh it's really about getting people to be focused to focus on the goal of of winning and put team goals ahead of individual goals, and uh it it's not that hard to to win.
And so I think that's what people are trying to get across, but it is great athletes.
These guys are so big now and so fast, uh, so much different than even when I played 30 years ago.
Got a minute and a half, so we'll get to the game itself.
Um, all of the the the conventional wisdom is the Steelers' defense is what to watch here against Kurt Warner.
Is that really where this game is going to hinge, do you think?
I I do think it's going to be that way.
How can Arizona's offense uh and not they don't have to win the game, but they have to make sure they don't lose the game.
Pittsburgh wins a lot of games on defense.
And so while they're trying to score and make big plays with their passing offense, uh Arizona can't do things to lose the game.
And uh I think that's going to be the key matchup.
Is the hype on Larry Fitzgerald accurate?
I mean, this guy's being portrayed as indefensible.
He's gonna catch you triple cover him, he's gonna find a way to catch the ball.
No, that that's not true.
A lot of times that that happens uh, you know, we weah he's hot right now, and he's had some big games, but uh the Steelers will go in, I I believe, saying they're gonna make someone else beat them, and uh the other guys are gonna have to step up.
They'll find a way to to limit him for sure.
Sound like you think the Steelers are gonna win this.
Well, I like the experience factor.
They've got a lot of guys who have been there before, but uh Arizona's got some key components there.
Their coach was in Pittsburgh, he understands that defense, he's practiced against it.
Uh there's a good friend of mine, Edrin Zames, who uh I'm hoping can can get a Super Bowl ring because he didn't get his with us, uh, played for us for a number of years, and and uh I'd like to see him win, and he's a big game player.
Uh and Arizona's hot right now, so it's gonna be a tight game, but I I think that Pittsburgh experience may just uh win out.
Coach, thank you so much.
This has been a real thrill for me.
I've wanted to meet you and talk to you for the longest time, and uh I've now say I've done it.
Coach Tony Dungey and the book is uncommon.
And it's worth reading.
Hi, how are you?
Rush Limbaugh, and we are back from the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies.
Uh telephone numbers 800-282-2882.
The uh the word bipartisan.
Everybody bandies that word around.
And I've always said that bipartisanship is defined in Washington as Republicans caving on their principles and agreeing with Democrats.
The vote on the porculus bill last night uh was was a partisan vote.
The the the victorious side was all Democrats.
The bipartisan vote was the losing side.
Eleven Democrats joined all the Republicans, a hundred and what was it, seventy-seven of them.
Uh and now Nancy Pelosi, according to the Hill newspaper today.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she didn't come to Washington to be bipartisan one day after uh after shuttling through the porculus bill without a single Republican vote.
Nancy Pelosi said, I didn't come here to be partisan.
I didn't come here to be bipartisan.
I came here, as did my colleagues, to be nonpartisan, to work for the American people, to do what is in their interest.
This woman, folks, you know, she I'm I'm as conflicted about Pelosi as I am sometimes about Obama.
It is a Miss America No.
No, no, no.
This is not a Miss America answer.
You know, Miss America answers are basically, well, trying to cover both sides.
You know, the Miss America answers are I'll back off of what I was.
Those are young women.
Those those are those are they not all that educated and informed yet when they start answering these questions.
We're we're we're talking here about a a mother of six, a grandmother of who knows how many this woman has been around.
This is an attempt to deceive.
It is morally wrong for her to say she's not partisan.
She and Harry Reid are among the most partisan people in that town.
What is this is this is deceit.
She's she's attempting to say that her liberalism is how we define nonpartisan now.
I'm not I didn't come here to be bipartisan.
I didn't come here to be partisan.
I came here to be nonpartisan.
And she will not and did not, and this is by the way, a blessing.
She did not let one Republican have one word of input on the porculus bill.
Now that's good.
Uh but that's nonpartisan.
This is just this is this is a deceitful woman.
This is a woman who lives it, who practices it, and uh who gets away with it.
Now, I want to uh remind you of some comments from Barack Obama during the campaign.
I'm not sure he might have said this in his speech to the citizens of the world when he was in Berlin.
Regardless where he said it, you will remember.
We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times.
And then just expect that other countries are going to say, okay, that's not leadership.
That's not gonna happen.
You remember him saying that?
All right.
From the New York Times, a story by Cheryl Gay Stolberg, the Capitol flew into a bit of a tizzy when on his first full day in the White House, Obama was photographed in the oval orifice with his suit jacket off.
There was, however, a logical explanation.
Mr. Obama, who hates the cold, had cranked up the thermostat.
Is that a good thing to do as a greene?
His senior advisor David Axelrod, who occupies a small but strategically located orifice next door to Obama's, said he's from Hawaii, okay?
He likes it warm.
You could grow orchids in there.
Thus did a rule of the Bush administration, coat and tie in the Oval Office at all times, fall by the wayside.
Another promise by the wayside.
He chided us we can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes at 72.
See, note he didn't say about offices.
Keep our homes at 72 degrees at all times, and then just expect that other countries are going to say, okay, that's not leadership.
That's not going to happen.
I wonder if in his letter to Ahmadinizad, he asked for permission to raise the thermostat in the Oval Office because he doesn't like the cold.
It was just yesterday that he made some comment about how Washington just is so out of whack when it snows.
This is nothing.
They think this is hardship.
Now he's up there.
Everybody has to take their jackets off because he's got it 80 degrees in there.
80 degrees, 78, whatever it is.
So once again, I wish Mark Handel, Mark, you wanted to talk to me today about hypocrisy.
Obama comes out with uh ethics rules on lobbyists and blows them out the window.
He's appointed a lobbyist to sit up there at the Pentagon or wherever and lobby.
All uh every rule that Obama makes is made to be broken by him.
And then Gibbs, what did Gibbs say today?
Gibbs was on television somewhere today, so we've the most ethical what did he say, Snurley was on the graphic.
Most ethical administration, something like that.
Tough again.
Yeah, it just but all of these uh double standards and these exemptions for uh for himself.
Uh waivers.
I'm sorry, that's right, not exempt the waivers.
Uh the Barack Obama administration gets waivers.
Politico headline, love this.
Obama stimulus clears house.
That's right, he owns it, it's his plan.
And Senate Democrats up for reelection in 2010, had better watch.
Watch out because this is when people learn what's in this, there's gonna be more general population opposition to this.
You want to hear something funny?
We've got Gibbs, by the way, was on the Today Show with Matt Wauer.
Now, as you people know, I commonly use the phrase bend over forward, bend over backwards, uh, grab the ankles.
Uh Matt Wauer uh wanted to quote me on this today, but couldn't bring himself to use the words.
He was talking to Robert Gibbs, the ace White House press spokesman.
There has never been anybody any better that ever did this job.
There's been a lot of partisan banter going back and forth this week.
Rush Limbaugh, the conservative radio host had this to say, and I'm paraphrasing here, but he said, We're being told we have to hope he succeeds, referring to the president that we have to, and then he made reference to getting into kind of a subservient position just because he's the first black president.
Now that's not surprising.
That's what Rush Limbaugh does.
That's how he makes a living, and he's pretty good at it.
But the president addressed Rush Limbaugh directly, speaking to Congressional Republicans, saying you can't just listen to Rush Limbaugh and get things done.
Does the president of the United States really want to get drawn into a give and take with any partisan radio host?
And then Gibbs, by the way, did you notice?
Did you notice the uh by the way, Matt, he did it?
What are you asking after the fact?
He did it.
They they should have told Matt about this before he was going to ask the question, so that he could have said, Why did you do it?
Matt's acting like he doesn't even know that uh that it that it happened.
It's a subservient position.
He made reference to getting into a kind of subservient position.
Just say it, Matt, bend over forward or backwards and grab the ankles.
Anyway, here's here's here's what Gibbs said, by the way.
Somebody, Matt, Matt, you need to know you need to ask Gibbs, is it true that Ram Emanuel has a conference call every morning with Paul Bagala and James Carvel at CNN and George Stephanopoulos at ABC.
Does the does the president really want to have his chief of staff planning strategy with media personnel?
If his staff can do it, how come Obama can't?
Why can't Obama reach out to me?
I have offered, I have offered to build a bridge, build a road from the EIB network to the White House to explain my bipartisan stimulus plan to him.
I'm willing to go up there, share an adult beverage, some wagyu beef hors d'oeuvres, I'll do it.
For the people, for the country.
For the American economy.
Anyway, here's here's Gibbs' answer to the question.
The president really want to get drawn into a give and take with a radio host.
Well, look, I think what the president said is true is if leaders in Washington from either party are just listening to one person rather than listening to the millions of voices of their constituents and of the American people, it's usually where Washington goes wrong.
That's why the American people want an economic reinvestment and recovery plan that gets jobs moving again.
I think that's why in the end you'll see bipartisan support for the president's plan to do just that.
Hey, Bob, the only thing bipartisan was the people who voted against it.
The American people do want to see their economy rebound.
It's just it's not going to happen with your plan.
And one more thing, Mr. Gibbs, and I understand you're the best press secretary they've ever had up there.
Uh that's what the drive by's told us before you got the gig.
I understand that, but uh you don't want leaders from either party listening to just one person rather than listening to millions of voices.
Don't you understand, Mr. Gibbs?
Certainly by now you do.
My voice is the voice of millions of God-fearing American conservatives.
That's why I'm listened to is because my voice equals millions.
It isn't just me.
I'm not going it alone here.
I have an army.
We'll be back.
I'm the general, but I have an army.
On a roll.
Rush Limbaugh.
Resisting the tug of popular sentiment.
The last man standing.
Although no longer, because a number have stood up with me, including all of you.
Ladies and gentlemen, we now have in New York City.
Cafe standards for cafes.
WCBS TV Channel 2 in New York is reporting that the mayor, Michael Bloomberg has declared war on salt.
New York City Mayor Bloomberg has called on U.S. manufacturers to reduce the salt content until it results in a 50% reduction in salt in ten years.
This now, even the the the subhead here, citizens revolt, claim New York City is turning into a nanny state.
See, at some point these liberals will overreach even with their own supporters and minions.
First it was, well, I don't know what came first at trans fat, no, it was smoking and then trans fats and uh all these other in by the California.
Oh, it's a sad, sad shame to see what's happening there.
For the first time in California history, income tax, state income tax refund checks are being held by the state.
They are not, they are not being they are not giving people their money.
They are going to hold those checks for balancing budget purposes or or accounting purposes because they can't, they can't balance the budget.
They are going to hold on to those checks.
Tax refunds now on hold in California's ABC News reporting.
Tax refunds on hold for the first time in state history, according to the uh the controller's office.
Unfortunately, we have asked the California franchise tax board not to send over tax refund claims beginning today, because we won't be able to process them and have them out the door by February 1st when a 30-day delay in tax refunds goes into effect during the 30-day delay.
The controller's office estimates are that a combined 2.74 million California individuals and businesses will have their tax refund delayed.
First time in state history.
Now when other governors realize that they hadn't thought of this.
Snerdley, I'm not giving anything away.
If this, if the people of California do not raise hell over this, then there are other states are gonna do it too.
Politics like everything else, it's copycat.
This is why I say never ever.
Come back to you.
Anyway, let me go to the phones.
People haven't uh haven't had a shot here in a while.
We'll go to Hattiesburg, Mississippi, not far from where Brett Favre, Brett Favre, Brett Favre lives.
Jay, welcome to the uh program.
Hey, Megadinos Rush from those of us who discovered you from your TV show.
Uh just had one quick question.
Once we pass this stimulus bill, uh that with the use of baseline budgeting, are we ever gonna be able to cut back to uh previous uh levels?
Or would that be called a cut?
Um that's an excellent question because this is really just a spending bill uh with a 30% increase.
It's not a uh it's not a stimulus.
And by the way, the no, the budget is the budget's not gonna get cut.
This is it'll just it'll be annual deficits of at least a trillion.
It doesn't become part of the budget, and if you ever try to take any little part of it away, oh it'll be draconian cuts.
Yeah, they'll never budgets never get cut.
Sometimes sometimes, you know, a small, insignificant item might be eliminated, but it's replaced with something that costs more.
But never in my lifetime, and and you're right, never in my lifetime, Jay, have I seen the annual budget smaller than it was the prior year.
It just doesn't happen.
And he's right, every year, nevertheless, we kept hearing about these draconian cuts, the school lunch program and all that rot gut lying sack of you know what that the Democrats tried back in 1995.
But that is an important consideration.
Now you've added to the budget by this much.
It's just what is baseline budgeting affected by this.
What we're spending on this program and that program.
This is this is and my friends, I I I look at I wanna I want to tell we're celebrating what the Republicans did.
Yeah, but we lost.
The bill passed.
The bill with all this pork passed the Senate.
The Senate can hold it up with some the House.
The Senate can hold this up with some procedural things.
But it passed.
Tax credits of $500,000 for illegal aliens passed.
It's in there.
We can't Stop this.
It is going to have the Senate's going to pass this too.
We can't stop it.
The only way, and it's remote, is to somehow get to enough Democrats that they can't get the 60 votes in the Senate and plug away at the fact that this is just morally wrong.
Everything in this is morally wrong.
It's morally wrong to spread this as a stimulus and a job creator when it's a job killer.
It's morally wrong for the media to not even care about this and not tell people what's in it.
It is morally wrong.
That's the only way I can see to attack this in the Senate.
But the odds are it's going to pass.
What we're doing here is setting the table to win seats back in 2010 and the White House in 2012 after all this overreaching takes place.
And we've also got to make sure that this is the worst of it.
Because if you win in 210...
But we got national health care.
How do you roll it back?
It's crucial, but this bill is going to pass.
Okay, we have the uh we don't have time to play it for you now, of course, as we're approaching the end of our second exciting excursion hour into broadcast excellence.
But we got the audio of Pelosi saying she didn't come to Washington to be partisan or bipartisan.
And she's also asked about me.
In this sound bite.
We'll have more of your phone calls, and there's still lots of great stuff in the stacks of stuff to get to, folks.
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