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Sept. 21, 2007 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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September 21, 2007, Friday, Hour #3
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Thanks, Johnny Donovan.
Nice to be with you on this the last Friday of summer.
All ready for the autominal equinox.
It arrives officially at 550 Sunday morning, at least in our time zone.
And uh autumn's a beautiful time of year for those of you uh lucky enough to have it and to enjoy it and to celebrate it, uh as I do.
Yes, I have my coffee, thank you.
I uh uh and I never drink coffee uh after my morning show there in Detroit at WJR, the Great Voice of the Great Lakes.
Uh and uh but I'm I'm sluggish because I'm up uh so long playing with this computer virtually all night, which was stupid, I know, but you know you get your toy and you get this thing and it's and actually I had work to do, and it's got that new Vista, whatever it is.
And uh and now uh Mike is uh Mike Maimon, instead of paying attention to this very important radio show, is actually being dumbfounded by the computer as well and playing around with Well, you're multitasking, which is what everybody in radio has to do.
We do that.
It's uh it's a part of what we do.
A couple of news uh stories well, not really news, but Michael Ladin is joining us in just a moment.
You know uh him from the war against the terror masters, his new book, The Iranian Time Bomb.
Uh and uh but I just want to run through a couple of these uh stories that uh that that have hit the news.
This is kind of interesting.
Uh uh Hillary Clinton has officially declared that she's not a lesbian.
Uh not that there's anything wrong with that.
Uh during an interview with the advocate that will be published next week, Sean Kennedy, the gay magazine's news and features editor, asked the presidential candidate, quote, how do you respond to the occasional rumor that you're a lesbian?
End of quote.
And she said, People say a lot of things about me, so I really don't pay any attention to it.
It's not true, but it is something that I have no control over.
People will say what they want to say.
Is from the uh New York Daily News or their Daily News, New York Daily News.com right now.
Hot news, if it's I guess it's news.
Uh Kennedy told the Daily News he's convinced, quote, one hundred percent that she's straight, a straight heterosexual woman.
This from Sean Kennedy, uh the advocate's publisher, I guess, or editor, one or the other.
And his friends apparently saying that his gaydar is one hundred percent accurate.
Uh Dan Rather, what a sad story.
I know that you don't like Dan Rather.
I know you don't.
I mean, I I understand that.
And he and he did some terrible, terrible things.
But you but you even that aside and knowing that, you kinda hate to see somebody just so self-destruct at uh at their age, at his age, seven what is he, seventy-five now?
He had for what for for what he always wanted and to what he needed and felt he was going to accomplish a glorious life until he he made the huge mistakes he made and uh and and got involved in some terrible, terrible lies and uh and just wanted to believe them.
You know, this happens.
Sometimes people tell lies and they start to believe them because they want to believe them, and then when it falls apart like that, but to come back and now be suing uh CBS for millions and millions and millions of dollars, and by the way, none of his colleagues, at least so far, I haven't seen or heard any of his colleagues standing up, morely say for Don Hewitt, Mike Wolfsony, the any of these guys that are been around Dan Rather for a long time, saying you know we stand by Dan, or anything at all like that.
Uh if you were thinking of collecting some of the silver gifts, you know, for people's twenty-fifth anniversary, silver, right?
It's silver.
I I would never know because I, you know, when I I'd have to add up several relationships and well anyway.
Uh that they're saying now that the average first marriage that ends in divorce, which is over fifty percent of them, lasts only eight years.
While nearly sixty percent of women and fifty-four percent of men surveyed in two thousand four had tied the knot, some forty percent of married baby boomers called it quits.
So yeah, one of the problems is it's just too easy to get divorced.
And this whole idea of no fault divorce, especially when there are children involved, is reprehensible.
If you want to watch the destruction of our society, start with the destruction of the family.
Have you gotten a flu shot yet?
See, I don't I haven't gotten a flu shot.
This is don't follow my example.
If your doctor says you should get a flu shot, you should get a flu shot.
I haven't gotten a flu shot since the swine flu.
So uh Snerdley, you're very good at this sort of thing.
Uh find out.
When was the swine flu?
Because people started getting sick or something happened.
I don't know what happened.
I remember something about the swine flu, and that's the last time I got a flu shot.
And uh and I do remember um when we had the Oh no no that I I don't remember when I got the flu shot, but did they say after years of shortages and a bunch of confusion?
So it was 1976 the last time I got a flu shot?
Shame on me.
Well, but y you don't have to really start taking him till you're over fifty.
So isn't that right?
I mean, isn't that but they or if you've got an illness or uh compromised immune system, whatever, do what your doctor says, do what your doctor says.
But after years of shortages and confusion, this fall, apparently there's going to be plenty of flu vaccine to go around.
So that's good.
Flu shots urged for all, those that are to uh have them.
And then, you know, they have this.
I I have a very I don't I I'm not a doctor, never have been.
I would have loved to have been a doctor.
I think it's a noble calling.
Uh no, I I I I don't play one on the radio, but I I don't play one on television, but I do do a television show called Minds of Medicine back home that does talk about uh medical issues.
In fact, uh it if I'm not mistaken, it's on tomorrow on ER on the Henry Ford Health System, the the emergency room tomorrow night.
But I have always said, because of interviewing all these people, going back to Linus Pauling, and you remember Dr. Pauling about vitamin C. I interviewed Jonas Salk for the polio vaccine.
And still I'm thirty-three or no, I turned thirty-four.
Yeah, right.
Uh anyway, I've always said some simple, simple things, and this is all within all of our control.
And yet we don't all do this often enough.
Wash our hands, often, eat sensibly, get enough sleep, exercise regularly, and not you don't have to go out and run a marathon, and drink lots of good clean water.
Those simple ideas, those five ideas could extend and improve your life in in a lot of different ways.
Really?
Still don't do it.
And the reason I thought of this was the you know, they come out with these reports about men not washing their hands when they leave the the men's room.
You know what I'm saying?
And it brings up that old joke, the guy from uh Harvard and the guy from Yale, they're standing there at the urinals, and uh one guy, you know, is done with his business and uh he walks over and washes his hands, and then the other guy walks right out the door.
And the and the as he's walking out the door, clearly passing up the sink, the guy from Harvard says, uh at Harvard, they taught us to wash our hands after we go to the bathroom.
And the Yale Yale guy goes, Yeah, well, at Yale, they taught us not to, you know, get it all over us.
But it was uh i i i i it brings out that joke, and you don't do you don't wash your hands because of that.
But anyway, they do these studies where they say basically that men are liars.
Because more men say they wash their hands than are observed doing so.
Now I want to know who has given anyone the right, other than a senator here or there at the airport, to stand in a men's room and observe uh if men are in fact washing their hands or not.
Have you noticed anyone in the men's room like there with a chart or with a with a they must be very discreet.
Maybe that's what the senator was actually up to, and he couldn't tell us because it's a clandestine program to find out who is and who isn't washing their hands.
I think that's a possibility.
Anyway, those are simple little things.
Wash your hands off and get enough sleep, eat sensibly, exercise, drink lots of good clean water.
All right.
We have the Iranian Time Bomb.
It's the latest book from Michael Ledeen, and Mr. Ledeen is standing by, but I don't want to start him and then have to stop him right away.
So we're going to take this break just a little earlier so we can have even more time with this very interesting Michael A. Ledeen and the Iranian Time Bomb.
As we continue on the Rush Limbaugh, I'm Paul W. Smith.
All righty.
I've been looking forward to speaking again with Michael Ledeen.
And uh he has done a fine job with his uh his latest work.
It's called uh the Iranian Time Bomb and very timely.
He's a contributor to the Wall Street Journal, of course, he's written many books uh and he lives and works in Washington, D.C., and still uh has a realistic view of the world.
Imagine that, living in Washington, D.C. and having a realistic look at the world.
Uh and the Iranian time bomb, in just a few words suggests it's time for us to pay attention and to hold firm.
Michael, welcome to the Rush Limbaugh program.
I'm Paul W. Smith.
Hello, Paul.
Thanks very much.
Uh former President Jimmy Carter just said this week.
It is almost inconceivable that Iran would commit suicide, his words, by launching missiles at Israel.
What do you say?
Well, the uh top leaders in Iran say that as soon as they have an atomic bomb, they're gonna drop it on Israel, and that it they don't really care if Israel responds, because they will have destroyed half the Jews in the world, and there will still be more than a billion Muslims left.
So I maybe Jimmy Carter needs more remedial reading.
Maybe you should autograph a copy and send it to him.
Tell us about the book.
Tell us what your thoughts are, why now's the time and uh and uh just everything you need us to know about this book.
Well, it's past time.
I'm uh I'm not sure that there is time to avoid the the terrible choice toward which we're headed, which is, as the French Foreign Minister put it the other day, Iran with the bomb or bomb Iran, both of which are terrible.
Uh Iran declared war on the United States in 1979, and they have been waging war against us ever since.
In that whole period, nearly thirty years, not a single American president, no lefty, no righty, no Republican, no Democrat, has ever responded effectively against Iran, never engaged in this conflict.
It's been one-sided.
And they have killed us all over the world, uh uh on many different continents, ranging from uh Beirut, Lebanon in the nineteen eighties, where they blew up our marine barracks and our embassies to Cobart Towers and Saudi Arabia, and and there are leaders of the Iranian regime, including uh our man Ahmadi Najad now in New York with you, I guess.
He ain't with me, pal.
Well, he's he's where you are.
Yeah, well, he is uh uh yeah, well.
Well, I mean, these men have been indicted for murder in in Germany and Austria and in Argentina.
So, you know, the other day somebody said, Well, this man Raf Sanjani and Iran looks like a moderate to me.
I said, Yeah, he's only been indicted in one foreign country instead of two.
Mm-hmm.
So the Iranians have been coming after us, and if you look at American policy toward Iran for all those years, nonstop since 1979, it's a flat line.
Every American president has convinced himself that we can negotiate our way out of this thing, that eventually there's a great deal to be made with the Iranians.
And uh a lot of the Iranian time bomb goes through administration by administration, showing that every president convinced himself that negotiation was the way to go, even though we have in fact been negotiating with them all this time, and we have nothing to show for it.
So every administration has fulfilled Einstein's definition of a crazy man.
Somebody who keeps doing the same thing hoping he'll get a different result.
What is your suggestion that we do, even though you say it may be too late?
What is your suggestion?
Support support revolution in Iran.
Uh the overwhelming majority of the Iranian people hate this regime.
We know that both from the fact that there are constant demonstrations all over the country and that the regime itself about three years ago took a public opinion poll and found that more than seventy percent of the people didn't like them.
And this was a poll that the people being polled knew was being taken by the information ministry.
In other words, it was a loyalty check.
And the poor guy who headed up the poll made the mistake of publishing the results and he hasn't been heard from since I'm sure of that.
What do you say?
Uh Michael Ledeen is with us, that he has before written the book, The War Against the Terror Masters, the new book, the Iranian Time Bomb.
Uh what do you say uh about uh uh to those people who say we blew it by going into Iraq we we used up our our collateral our our ability to go to the American people and say we need to go do this and that they will react the same way now if we said we had to do something with Iran that they're now reacting to uh in in a majority sense with what's happening in Iraq.
Well I'd say I think they're right in part which is the we we made a mistake by doing Iraq first.
We should have done Iran first but that Iran is not a military operation and no president's going to call for invading Iran and I hope that no president's going to be driven into bombing Iran this is a matter of supporting the Iranian people in their quest for freedom and it's something that America's always done.
I can't imagine that if the president stands up and says we're on the side of the Iranian people we want to see an end to this regime we're not going to attack you we're not going to bomb you and so forth.
We're we're gonna do every political thing we can do to help the Iranian people the Iranian people win their freedom.
You know the French foreign minister French Kushner a few years ago elaborated a doctrine in which he said democratic countries have the obligation to support democratic movements in Tehranian in in tyrannical regimes.
And Iran is the classic case of that and it's just baffling to me why it is that we have supported freedom movements all over Eastern Europe and in countries from the Philippines to the Ivory Coast, but not in Iran, where we have every reason to expect that we'll win.
I mean Tom Friedman, no neo con he calls Iran the biggest red state in the Middle East.
The Iranian people are wildly pro-American, pro-Western and so forth.
They want an end to this.
We should help them it'll be very interesting to see how this plays out given what has happened in Iraq and and uh the people who say that we have made no uh positive moves who have denied any kind of success from the beginning and and in fact maybe even fear any kind of success and there has been quite a bit of it.
We just don't hear about it very often in the institutional media.
You hear about it here on the Rush Limbaugh program and some other fine programs around the country.
If you would like to speak with Michael Ledeen uh I promise you well maybe I should ask Michael you can stick around a little bit right all dang.
Okay.
I in that case I promise you you'll be able to speak with Michael Ledeen if you call now we'll get as many callers on as we possibly can at 1 eight hundred-2828 eight two one eight hundred two eight two eight eight two twenty eight eighty two you can also go to rushlimbaugham and by the way you should go to Rushlimbaugh dot com every day because the folks who work on that uh that uh site and on his web page and pages do a marvelous job.
It's well worth checking in on Rushlimbaugh.com on a regular basis.
It will keep you uh informed and entertained just like uh Rush does for three hours a day on this your favorite radio station and he'll be back in the chair on Monday.
Let me go to callers right now so that we can live up to what we said.
Now uh I know you're looking at the clock in there Michael we'll do it very quickly with David David you're on the Rush Limbaugh program with Michael Ladine I'm Paul W. Smith.
David.
Hey, Paul.
Hi.
Thank you for taking my call.
I seem to remember some newscast shortly following the World Trade Center collapses about our so-called moderate friends in the Middle East jumping for joy and eating pie and celebrating the deaths of the Americans that had fallen.
And I was kind of wondering, where are these moderates at?
I've been hearing in the news that they exist and in Iraq and Iran a moderate friends over there and where are they what on earth tells me that I have a reason to trust anybody in that area of the world.
Well on September twelfth and on the anniversary of every September eleventh ever since thousands of Iranians have turned out into the streets of the major cities carrying lighted candles mourning the death of the innocent people in the United States.
So far as I know it's the only Middle East country where that happens.
And by the way, it happened in a lot of other countries.
I happen to be in Germany on September eleventh, the real September eleventh, which we just had again the commemoration for the first time on a Tuesday, the same day of the week that it actually happened.
And the Germans had this impromptu parade.
I I I was in Wiesbaden at this point, and uh I I see these lights down the street and I realize that these are people who are walking with candles down the street, uh, and they were doing that to march in support of Americans.
I asked police officers what the big banner said in the town hall square where they all ended up.
And the police officer that could speak English said, it says we proudly stand with our American brothers and sisters.
We'll continue our conversation with Michael Ladine on the Rush Limbaugh program.
Thanks, Johnny Donovan, uh East Coast campus of the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies, where there's never a final exam, but we are tested every day.
Paul W. here in from uh Detroit, where I do the morning show on WJR Monday through Friday, 530 till nine, and uh from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building.
And uh pleasure to be with Bo Snerdly and uh Mike Maimone, uh Kid Carson is the chief of staff and executive producer of the program, Cookie Gleason.
You won't find a better team anywhere uh other than uh in Detroit, where I have my uh Ann Thomas' executive producer, Rosanna Lubyansky Kelly, our senior producer and Brian Morton, who runs all the controls.
We happen to have the two best teams in all of radio, and uh I'm happy to to share them with you and with Rush.
Deputy commander of Iran's Air Force saying plans have been drawn up to bomb Israel if the Jewish state attacks Iran.
The announcement comes amid rising tensions in the region, with the United States calling for a new round of UN sanctions against Iran over its disputed nuclear program.
Uh Michael Ledeen says i it's been a problem for a long time and no administration has ever tackled it the way it needs to be.
He's written the book, the Iranian Time Bomb.
Uh it's available at your favorite uh bookstore or online, St. Martin's Press.
And uh you can speak with him for the next couple of minutes here at one eight hundred-two eight two two eight eight two.
One eight hundred two eight two twenty-eight eighty-two, and also, of course, you can always go to and should Rush Limbaugh.com.
Jim in Sioux Falls is on the Rush Limbaugh program with Michael A. Ledeen, and I'm Paul W. Smith.
Hello, Jim.
Well, hey, good afternoon.
Hi.
All right.
See, uh, Mr. Levine, I was just wondering um if you could go into more detail on why you would support uh merely supporting uh uh the uh Iranian revolutionaries from up from afar as it were, rather than supporting them directly militarily.
Uh because there's really no need to invade Iran.
And and Iran is a huge enterprise.
Iraq is about twenty million people.
I Iran is seventy million people.
And and much more territory.
It's much more daunting a military task than Iraq was.
Furthermore, if we could bring down the Soviet empire by politically supporting their dissidents, who maybe added up to five or ten percent of the population.
How can we possibly be pessimistic about bringing down the Iranian regime where you've got upwards of seventy percent of the people on your side?
I mean it's just a better method.
Do you know how uh and and I I don't mean to put put to you you may feel this way, Jim, or not, but uh someone else had said maybe it was David before.
You understand how people are a little bit hesitant to believe anybody now when they tell us that some people over there is really for us because we expected to see that, and we heard that uh that we would be the liberators in Iraq and the people would dance in the street and wave flags and uh the love of the Americans, and it didn't quite turn out that way.
And and there are people who are uh a little hesitant now to believe that would happen uh with the Iranians.
Right, not to mention that that nobody's gonna order a military action based on intelligence that's anywhere less than a hundred percent, and you will never have hundred percent intelligence on matters like this.
Yeah.
Anything else, Jim, before I move along here?
Oh, I'm moving along to Janet is uh here from Godley, Illinois.
Hi, thank you for taking my call, and thank you.
Uh Mr. Ledeen for keeping this issue in the forefront of the people's minds, because it is it is um I think important in our strategy against terror.
Um my question is um that was our plan for Iraq was to liberate the Iraqi people supposing that they wanted to be liberated.
What makes Iran different?
You answered some of that in the last caller's question, but um would there not be any sectarian division in Iran that would and other states maybe that would uh Syria, for example, others that would contribute to the same kind of situation we now have in Iraq.
Well, the reason I was very leery about going into Iraq was because I was sure that Syria and Iran would gang up on us there in sponsor the same kind of terror war that they unleashed against us in Lebanon in the nineteen eighties, which is pretty much what has happened.
There are enormous differences between Iran and a country like Iraq.
Iran is not an Arab country.
Iran is more than fifty percent Persian.
It's a country that's had a national identity for about three thousand years.
They're very cultured, very well educated and so forth, and they they want to be part of the Western world.
They are indeed traditionally part of the Western world.
With all of that then, how did this uh this crazy guy uh how did uh uh Mahmood get into this position of power and why hasn't he been killed?
Well uh the revolution in nineteen seventy-nine was a kind of broad based revolution where a lot of pro Western secular people participated because they just did not like the Shah.
And then they found to their horror that the thing was taken over by these religious fanatics, and by the time they realized that it was too late.
And they then imposed this rule on Iran by a terror regime directed primarily against their own people.
I mean, what they do overseas is nothing compared to what they do to the Iranian people.
Tim in Dallas, Texas, you're on the Rush Limbaugh program with Paul W. Smith and our guest, Michael Ledeen.
Thank you for taking my call.
Uh Mr. Ladin, my question to you is uh our history shows that and and I think I tend to agree with what your premise is, and I'm gonna have to get your book, it sounds very interesting, but why couldn't we bomb their gas uh refinery?
They go out one refinery, and they're there are probably not that many civilians around it.
We could even telegraph that we're gonna do that if they don't meet certain conditions like, you know, change government.
Well, it that wouldn't do that, but you you get my point.
What what why should we not bomb something like that if that's what it's gonna take?
And that would probably be enough where where we could follow then your suggestion and come in with uh uh support of the population and they know we'd mean it because we already took out their gas refinement.
I know they'd suffer for that, but they would take it out on their government, I would think, would they not?
Um well what we w keep your eye on the ball.
What we want to happen in Iran is we want the government to come down and we want free elections.
Confident that nobody with the turbine is gonna be elected to anything and they're truly free election.
The the question is whether doing things like sanctions of which bombing gas refineries is just one variation helps accomplish that goal.
And unfortunately, uh so far as I know, sanctions have never brought down a government, nor have sanctions ever compelled a government to change its policies when that government was an enemy of ours.
The only two cases I know of where sanctions seem to have worked are South Africa and Chile.
And they were both countries who d with many faults and many evils felt themselves to be on our side of the world and wanted to be seen as part of it.
And so they changed because they felt stigmatized by sanctions.
The Iranians, like Saddam before them, feel empowered by sanctions.
They brag about sanctions.
They say, you see, these people are our enemies and we're gonna get them.
And remember that the Iranians are not playing defense at all.
The Iranians are launching a worldwide terror movement to try to bring us down.
They are attacking us.
And they think that they are winning.
They think they're driving us out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
They see a divided American public, they think America no longer has the will to do anything to them, and they're pushing their advantage.
Uh Mari Najad is coming to New York or is in New York right now, trying to demonstrate to the Iranian people that he can do anything he wants and we won't touch him.
And in other words, the message he's sending to his own people is don't count on the Americans.
They have the will to do nothing.
Boy.
Let's uh try to squeeze in uh Brian from uh Colorado Springs, Colorado.
You're on the Rush Limbaugh program, uh Brian.
Yes, sir.
Uh I serve in the United States military, and uh my question is I think really since the Gulf War, our military has proven itself to be so you know really good at its job that sometimes I think our politicians may sometimes lack a vision to think of solutions short of military force.
My question for Mr. Ledeen is what can we specifically do with Iran instead of just saying, you know, well we're gonna support forces against the regime, what does that exactly translate to short military force?
I think sometimes and also show us how it really, really, really is different from what we just went through with Iraq and the same things we heard.
Right.
I think I mean our military is the best in the world, and that's a great thing, but sometimes I think we rely on it too much because our military is so highly trained and so highly equipped that we're unable to think of solutions outside of that framework.
What concretely can we do short military force with Iran?
Right.
Great question.
And that's a military guy asking.
Well, I mean, you don't have to convince me we have a son who's uh Marine Lieutenant in Ira in in Iraq right now.
Good for you.
So we know how good they are.
God bless him.
The uh the what'll work is first the president and the Secretary of State have to call for regime change in Iran.
And then we have to broadcast to Iran, just as we did to the Soviet Union and tell them what's going on inside their own country, and let them listen to people who participated in successful nonviolent democratic revolutions around the world.
So they learn the rules, things to do, things not to do.
Then work with international trade unions to build a strike fund for Iranian workers so that they can walk off their jobs from the oil fields, for example, knowing that there's going to be enough money for them to feed their children for the next several weeks or months or whatever it is.
Then get them communications gear, things they need to talk to one another all across the country, because that's what the regime is most successful in blocking.
Paradoxically, it's much easier for a normal Iranian to know what's going on in Washington or New York than to know what's going on in other cities across Iran.
All those things are jammed.
Internet is filtered and blocked.
Emailers are investigated and arrested.
So and then g get them all that stuff laptops, servers, phone cards, cell phones, satellite phones, and let them work with one another.
I uh I think that's the basic plan.
And I mean that's basically what we did to the Soviets.
And if you ask Mr. Gorbachev, he'll sure tell you that it worked.
We continue with the Iranian time bomb, your questions and calls at 1-800-282-2882, 1-800-282-2882 and rush limbaugh.com.
I'm Paul W. Smith.
Yeah, let's do that.
Let's uh let's uh give these people the chance to speak with Michael A. Ledeen, the Iranian time bomb.
Before we run out of time, let's go to Stephen in Bogart.
Uh is it Maryland?
Bogart, Maryland.
Missouri.
Missouri.
Bogart, Missouri, I'm sorry.
Uh and uh you're right here right now with Michael Ledeen.
Steve.
Hi, Michael.
My question was uh can we really afford to wait for their people to take the leadership out and and gamble on them getting a nuke built and hand it off to somebody to use on us.
I mean, shouldn't with all due respect shouldn't I mean as far as I'm concerned, we should write now, we should be taking that out.
Well, it that's the sixty-four thousand dollar question.
Nobody knows the answer to it, because nobody really knows the uh Iran has the secret nuclear program, and we do not know where they stand.
But also nobody knows how long a revolution would take.
Uh revolutions always surprise us.
Uh my line is try revolution because if it works, that's the best solution.
All right.
But revolutions can't explode in one of our cities.
That's right.
That's right.
Well, you're right.
But but if we if we then decide that they have a bomb and the means to deliver it, then we will only have one choice left.
But to assume that we only have two choices right now, I think is a mistake.
All right.
Uh, thanks for that, uh uh Stephen.
We want to get as many people in as possible.
Why it's Rod in uh my neck of the woods, Plymouth, Michigan.
Rod, you're on the Rush Limbaugh program with Michael Ladine.
I'm Paul W. Thanks, Paul, and Mr. Ledeen.
Um, as I um Ahmed John, he's in the pursuit of a nuclear device for destructive purposes.
Knowing that he always already threatened Israel and some of the rest of the world, why isn't Israel, the United States, its allies, and even the United Nations stepping in right now, immediately, and forcing um Iran to halt all nuclear advancement.
Because they do have um malicious goals in mind.
Well, yes, uh obviously they do, because if all they wanted it for was civilian energy, as they claimed that it wouldn't have been a secret program.
And yet it was secret for eighteen years until until it finally surfaced.
Why doesn't the United Nations compel Iran to give to give it up?
Because they have a lot of defenders at the United Nations who stand in the way of effective measures.
But plus I don't I'm not sure that the United Nations anywhere short of warfare could compel the Iranians to give it up.
The the leaders of Iran have said repeatedly they will never give up their uranium enrichment program.
Never ever, no matter what the West does.
And so the the real issue here is that Iran is the world's leading sponsor of terrorism.
That Iranians are killing Americans every day in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we have to respond to it.
And and our response has to be aimed at bringing down that regime.
It's not just the nuclear program.
If you can imagine a freely elected pro Western, pro-American Iranian government, you would you wouldn't lose any sleep about their having nuclear programs, would you?
Uh I'm uh let's do one more caller and then we're gonna let you go, Mike.
Oh, that is it.
All right, I'm sorry.
Okay, good.
We we have one other uh caller that has a different topic we want to uh move on to, but I I thank you for joining us, uh Michael.
Congratulations to you for another uh job well done.
The book for uh the many listeners here to the Rush Limbaugh program who are one who are gonna want to pick this up.
It's the Iranian Time Bomb by Michael A. Ledeen, L E D E E N, St. Martin's Press, available at your favorite bookstore or online.
And I thank you for being with us, Michael.
Thanks, Paul.
It was wonderful.
You take good care.
And uh in just a moment, Chelsea uh has a question and a statement.
A statement first, I guess, maybe a question too, regarding the the this will be the final word, I think, for a while, on Andrew Meyer, that kid who was tasered uh at that uh college where he was merely asking a question, being annoying, yes, but asking a question of Senator John Kerry.
Uh interesting little take on this.
I am told by uh Bo Snerdley, and I will uh I will trust his professional uh judgment on this.
We'll get to that up next.
I'm Paul W. Smith in for Rush Limbaugh.
Snurdley, sit down.
You're making the guest host nervous again.
You did this to me with Newt.
Now you're doing it with this uh uh Chelsea.
It's not wait a minute, it's not Chelsea Clinton, is it?
I like Chelsea Clinton a lot.
She's very nice.
But uh we I have to take you know, this is my responsibility.
I'm not letting her do that.
I can't.
I know you think it's okay.
It's not okay for me.
So Chelsea of Fort Collins, Colorado.
Welcome into the Rush Limbaugh program.
I'm Paul W. Smith.
Nice to have you with us, Chelsea.
Chelsea, Chelsea, what regardless of what you might have been told earlier, I just want you to know I don't want you to even use initials to explain to me what the headline says.
But the point is, apparently there's a headline in your school paper.
What school is it?
I go to Colorado State University, and I am the chairman of the College Republicans there.
Okay, so you're upset because the editorial is a uh uh pinheaded couple of uh really derogatory words aimed at President Bush regarding this college kid who was tasered uh at the University of Florida, correct?
Am I am I saying it?
This is the only way I want us to be able to talk about this, okay?
No, I I can tell you the heading without saying the word.
You can't do that.
No, I don't even want the initials.
Well, you can use your imagination.
And uh it was an unnatural act that someone couldn't really do to themselves.
So but it but it w how are they blaming the president?
I've gone online and I see some other people.
They're like blaming President Bush for this kid getting Andrew Meyer getting tasered.
Tell me how is that It's not possible.
I don't know how you can correlate that outside of the fact that they're liberal college students.
So um it's on our editor's page of our newspaper, they're in very big bold print.
It says Yeah, yeah, I I don't want I don't want I don't I know I won't say It says taser this blank bush.
Right.
And underneath that it says this these are the views of the um Colorado State Collegiate editorial staff.
All right.
We uh I I appreciate that.
Uh that for another topic, another time.
Monday, Rush will be right back here where he belongs, and uh believe me, he will take this on.
Meanwhile, I'll see you next time and in Detroit.
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