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Sept. 21, 2007 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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September 21, 2007, Friday, Hour #2
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Thanks, Johnny Donovan.
What a pleasure it was seeing Johnny today.
I used to work with him over there at WABC in about 1985.
And Frank DeLeah is still there.
Roe is still there.
She's been there 25 years.
Frank's been there 30 years.
Johnny Donovan's been there.
Got to be close to 30 years.
People don't stay in radio jobs that long, generally.
So it was nice to see all those guys.
I am here at the East Coast campus of the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies, where there is never a final exam, but we are tested every day.
Bo Snerdley came up from Florida.
Nice to be able to sit across the glass from Snerdley.
Also Mike Mamon, our engineer.
Almost half the man he was last time I saw him.
He's taken control of his life.
He's exercising regularly.
He's cut out some bad habits, and he looks great.
He's withering away, but he looks great.
And of course, Kit Carson on the assignment, I guess, with Rush, Kit, the chief of staff, and everything overseen by our executive producer, Cookie Gleason.
It is the Jewish Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur, beginning at sunset.
And I wish our Jewish friends an easy fast.
There's a lot to talk about, but since we have Newt Gingrich, former Speaker of the House, on the other end of our line right now, and I don't know how long we have Newt, let's get to him right away.
It is a pleasure once again to say hello, Newt.
Well, it is great to be talking with you as always.
And I'm actually going to be in your backyard tonight and tomorrow morning up in Mackinac.
Oh, no kidding.
Oh, because of the I just spoke with Saul Nusis.
He is the head of the Michigan GOP and very excited about all that they have.
All of the Republican candidates are going to be there.
Mackinac Island is beautiful, Grand Hotel, and all the other places on Mackinac Island.
If people don't know what we're talking about, to rent the movie somewhere in time, that's a good movie to get a feel for Mackinac Island, for example.
Well, I'm glad you're going to be there.
I know people will be looking forward to hearing from the guy who I've heard many, many conservatives say is the guy who's probably the brightest and can speak to the issues and problems this country faces better than anyone.
But they do worry two things.
One, whether you're going to run or not, we don't know.
And if you have too much baggage, but everybody's got too much baggage if you look for it.
That is a fairly strange introduction.
Yeah, I thought so.
Let me just say, first of all, as you know, and I've said this before on your show in Detroit, and I've also said it when we've been together on Russia's show.
I am totally focused from now through next week.
We have the American Solutions Workshop.
For winning the future.
For winning the future.
Next Thursday night at the Cobb Galleria in Atlanta.
And then next Saturday at West Georgia University out in Carrollton, where I used to teach.
It is a nationwide project.
It'll be on Dish TV.
It'll be on DirecTV.
And it will be on the Internet.
We'll be webcasting it so that anybody in America who wants to can, Democrat, Republican, Independent can watch it starting at 7 o'clock next Thursday night.
And then we have on Saturday some 20-plus workshops that will be available on the Internet.
Three of them will be available on television, but on the Internet we're going to have Dick Armey talking about the flat tax.
We're going to have Congressman John Linder and Neil Borch talking about the fair tax.
We're going to have Brian Bilbray out at San Diego on the border talking about immigration and border control, an issue that matters to an awful lot of people.
We have former Democratic Governor Romer of Colorado, who has been the head of the Los Angeles school system, is going to be talking about the vital importance of education reform, the need to think boldly and in new ways about education reform.
Elaine K. Mark, who was Al Gore's head of reinventing government, is going to be talking about what we need to do in order to replace bureaucracy and get rid of bureaucracy.
And Dennis Smith at New York University, who may be the leading student in America, of how Rudy Giuliani used evidence-based government and metrics to fundamentally make New York dramatically safer, reducing crime by 75% from 1993 to last year, making it four times as safe as Houston.
Dennis Smith is going to be talking about how to have evidence-based government.
So a lot of people doing a lot of exciting things.
Bob Walker, a former congressman, former chair of the Science and Technology Committee, will be talking about how to use hydrogen as an energy source to make the dictators dramatically less wealthy and dramatically less important.
I would recommend that people go right online to Americansolutions.com and get this entire rundown of the Solutions Day workshops and opening presentation and a sign-up and television and video and all of that.
Again, Thursday, September 27th, and then back at your old, when it was West Georgia College, now West Georgia University.
You have a good memory.
Well, I don't really have a good memory.
I just try to research and get ready when I'm going to talk to somebody, and I just did a little of that.
But the point is, you're going to be there in over 20 workshops, and they're available all over the country, which is important.
That's September 27th, and then again, September 29th, American Solutions for Winning the Future.
And you can go to Americansolutions.com and get all of that information.
Now, this thing about running for president, I only brought it up because earlier today on the Drudge Report, and I was doing my morning show in Detroit, I did not access it, and it's gone.
Did you remove it?
It said something about Newt Gingrich would need $30 million to run his campaign to run for the presidency.
What was that about?
Well, I was asked a question, once we get past the workshops, and I've said all year I'm not thinking about anything until we get done with the workshops, because American Solutions is a citizen movement aimed at not the White House, it's aimed at changing 513,000 elected officials.
You and I have talked about the Detroit School Board, for example, is one of the places it needs to change, the Michigan legislature, local county governments.
America is a very, very dense system with thousands and thousands of officials who need to be changed if we're going to move towards the kind of future that we ought to have.
So I've said I won't think about it until after next Saturday.
I'm not going to ask you.
But what I have said is that my close friend and advisor, Randy Evans, starting next Sunday, the 30th of September, is going to look around.
And there's a reality-based check here.
I mean, Governor Romney, who's been very successful and very legitimately successful in business, can write a personal check for $100 million if he wants to.
You can't play in that game if you're a middle-class person unless you can raise enough money to be able to at least offset it.
You don't have to match him dollar for dollar, but you've got to get above some threshold.
And my judgment is that that takes about $30 million in pledges to be realistic.
So if Randy comes back and says there really is a desire to have somebody who can debate Senator Clinton head-on and somebody who can represent really bold ideas and bold solutions and somebody who's willing to have a clean break from the current bureaucracy and the current mess, then Callista and I'd be facing a very big decision.
I'd probably end up back in your show one morning having to explain what I was doing.
But I think that we've got to be honest and realistic.
What we're doing at American Solutions is really important to the future of this country.
It's offering very dramatic new ideas, very bold new approaches, using science and technology for really big breakthroughs.
And I don't want to give that up and weaken that in any way for sort of a hopelessly quixotic effort just for the fun of it.
So if there's a big enough vacuum and there are enough resources, then as a citizen, I would feel compelled to respond to fellow citizens to try to represent ideas in this race.
And we'll know by the middle of the end of October whether or not it's practical.
Well, not practical.
I'm very happy doing what we're doing, developing the ideas and the approaches and continuing to grow American Solutions as a genuine nationwide movement.
We'll have over 2,000 sites next week that are participating in and have signed up to participate in these workshops.
Newt, stick around.
We'll be back.
Newt Gingrich on the Rush Limbaugh program.
I'm Paul W. Smith.
It's the Rush Limbaugh program.
Rush will be back with you Monday in the chair behind the golden EIB microphone.
But if you can't wait, you can actually see him this Sunday on the Fox Network in, I think, the season premiere of The Family Guy.
You'll hear him on The Family Guy, and you have to check your local listings, but it's Fox, the Fox Network, this Sunday, Family Guy.
You will hear Rush even before he's back Monday.
Newt Gingrich is with us, and we're taking your calls as well.
1-800-282-2882-1-800-282-2882.
Also, rushlimbaugh.com.
I'm Paul W. Smith.
Happy to be here with you once again and talking with Newt.
We've been talking about American Solutions for Winning the Future for a very long time, and it's coming up.
It's September 27th and September 29th, real change that requires real change.
And you can go online, Americansolutions.com for all the details.
Now, ever since Newt wrote the book, Winning the Future, a 21st Century Contract with America, back in January 2005, right, Newt?
January 2005?
That's exactly right.
All right.
You've been talked about, it's probably annoying, mentioned so many different times about being a potential presidential candidate.
Now, I know you don't want to talk about that now until after this event, but I think you'd be a good candidate.
You've brought us green conservatism, entrepreneurial environmentalism.
You've brought us things that are important to a lot of people without the extreme twist to it that makes it impossible for folks to really follow unless they go off the deep end, as many do both ways.
But you've talked about health care and health care management for a very long time.
What do you think of this latest approach by Hillary Rodham Clinton?
Well, you know, I had the funniest experience the other night.
I was at Fox, and I was going down to Do Hennity and Combs.
And I look up on the TV, and here is Senator Clinton with Hillary Care and OJ going to jail.
And I felt like it was the Twilight Zone.
Wow.
And it was 1994.
And we were back.
And it was weird.
I mean, it was just, you had this sense of he doesn't seem to have learned much, and we'll find out how much she's learned.
But it was truly one of those frightening moments when you think to yourself, have I just lost, you know, 13 years of my life?
Am I back in 1994?
Now, here's my primary objection.
Let me say up front, by the way, I believe that Senator Clinton's package is better than what she offered in 1993.
I think she has learned a number of things.
I actually agree with her on health information technology.
There are some other pieces of her proposal that are pretty reasonable.
But there's one core underlying thing where I think she's being less than candid, and I think it weakens her whole case.
Her proposal clearly is big government.
It clearly relies on the power of bureaucracy.
It is clearly coercive.
It clearly involves a huge tax increase.
And it is clearly underestimated in total cost.
I mean, she's talking about spending $110 billion a year more coming right out of somebody's pocket.
And there were reports this morning that experts are looking at it going, no, no, no, that's way too low.
So I think she would have been better off not to defend this.
This was an idea.
It was a proposal.
It's 10 full pages.
The outline is 10 full pages.
I mean, we're right back into a massive omnibus problem.
I tried to convince her back in 1993 when she came to see then Health Task Force Chairman Dennis Hestert and then Republican leader Bob Michael and me.
And I said, don't try to write an omnibus bill.
Nobody can write a bill that affects 16% of the American economy.
This is the biggest sector of the economy.
Nobody's that smart.
Instead, offer a series of specific steps, each one of which can be defended on its own, each one of which moves us in a direction that you believe in.
And when you get the first wave done, come back with the second wave and then come back with the third wave.
And I'm afraid that she has once again not learned that lesson.
And I don't see how anybody can believe that they can take 303 million lives plus a nationwide system that's the most complex use of knowledge we have and the largest single sector of the economy.
And by the way, an area of the economy is so big it is equal to the Chinese economy.
I mean, the health economy in the U.S. is about the same size as the entire Chinese economy.
And to write an omnibus bill almost by definition is a mistake from day one.
And then second, her bill carries us back to what we know doesn't work.
Two quick examples.
The New York Times reports that Medicaid in New York State has $4,400,000,000 a year of fraud.
And when I say fraud, I mean a dentist who filed 985 procedures a day.
It's pure fraud.
There is an article today about Miami and South Florida, where it turns out that three counties in South Florida have filed $2.8 billion of federal HIV AIDS money for one year, while the entire rest of the country filed a billion.
And there's a suggestion that this is because of the scale of fraud in these three counties.
Now, if the federal government can't run the Medicaid program in New York City without $4.4 billion a year of fraud of your tax money, if they can't run the HIVA's program with bureaucracy without allowing for what looks like on the surface is at least $1.8 billion of fraud a year just in three counties, why would anyone think they can run a nationwide health program and micromanage it and control it with red tape?
Well, that's the problem.
There's the question that nobody can answer, honestly, because the federal government can't do it.
We already know that.
They prove it every day.
Quick question.
I don't know if it was with Sean and Alan, Hannity and Combs, but did I hear Newt Gingrich say that John Edwards had some pretty good ideas?
Did I hear you say that?
Yes, John Edwards on occasion has had good ideas.
All right, so then do you agree with his wife, Elizabeth, who says that Hillary's Hillary care was merely the same plan that John Edwards put forward about seven months ago?
No.
Well, that's what she said.
I don't agree with that.
Okay, that's what she said.
Look, I want to just say something that may shock some of our listeners.
I think we've got to get past the point of saying, you know, if you're on the blue side, you're always bad.
And if you're on the red side, you're always good.
And we ought to say occasionally, sometimes the other team has an idea that's pretty good.
Well, let's use it.
In fact, it was one of the points I was making last hour that you couldn't hear that I'm like everybody.
I mean, I'm just a person that goes out and does my job and votes and all of that.
And I'm pretty sick and tired of how politicized everything has become.
And the only people who are really, really, really losing are those of us who are not in the political game, who are just trying to live our lives and build something and help grow our families safely.
And we watch men and women in Washington and in our state governments and in our local governments bash each other over the head relentlessly just because they're in different parties.
Well, let me ask you this.
I want to reverse roles here for a second.
All right.
Can you explain to me?
We've got Newt Gingrich here on the Rush Limbaugh program and a special guest, Paul W. Smith.
Newt, go ahead if you have questions.
Could you explain to me what this 100-hour-plus battle over tax increases is all about in Lansing?
I mean, are the Democratic state legislators nuts?
I mean, you have the worst economy of any industrial state in the United States.
They are killing jobs.
They are driving businesses out of state.
And they've spent 100 hours in a year.
It's been over seven months.
It's been over seven months.
They haven't been able to fix our budget and our deficit and the crisis that is consuming the state of Michigan.
No one more frustrated than all of us, all the taxpayers who have sent our employees, the legislators, to Lansing to do their job, and they're not.
We continue with Newt Gingrich on the Rush Limbaugh program.
I'm Paul W. Smith.
Thanks, Johnny Donovan.
No, I'm not very good with computers anyway, so I have this new Sony Vio or something.
I think it's called Vio.
And I was up till 2 o'clock in the morning trying to get it to work, and it was very confusing.
But, you know, the iPhone, too, which is wonderful.
I love it.
But I was probably, it was not meant to take.
I was writing like War and Peace by, you know, one finger, tap, And it took me about an hour because it was a very important note to someone.
And just before I sent it, it disappeared.
It just disappeared.
What?
When were you going to tell me that he left?
Oh, no.
Folks, why didn't he tell us that?
I'm so sorry.
We had expected for Newt to stay and take these calls.
Call back.
Do you have the numbers in there?
I have them here if you don't have them.
Oh, no.
I knew we had him for the half hour, but generally we're able to twist his arm and have him go longer.
I didn't even know I would have picked up the phone.
And yeah, that's a good point, Maimon.
Generally, he would say goodbye.
He said I gave him an unusual introduction, but I skipped through some things and said the truth, which is I think he'd be a great president.
I think that there are a lot of people who feel he has a tremendous amount of baggage to be a candidate.
But I, well, the truth didn't scare me.
He didn't run away.
Nothing scares Newt, and he knows how much I like him and respect him.
But I'm not going to be crazy.
I mean, realistically, there'd be some baggage and luggage there.
I mean, it's like a Samsonite story.
But I think he's well worth getting through all that.
I mean, in the same way that people could say that about Rudy Giuliani, the fact of the matter is, let whoever is perfect throw the first stone.
Snurdley, put that stone down.
You know, nobody's perfect.
There are a lot of mistakes that have been made and a lot of different things that a lot of us would have done differently.
And I think he's brilliant.
And I think I really, I think I may have really upset him in that introduction when I said that some people are concerned he'd have too much baggage.
I don't mean it in a bad way.
I'm just not going to be dishonest.
Let me go to the calls anyway and try to do the best we can.
I could answer them as if I were Newt Gingrich, but that probably wouldn't go over very well, and I'm not nearly as bright as Newt.
But Jim, I'm going to give you a chance to be heard because you waited all that time, and I don't know what happened there.
I did not get a chance to speak with him about his timing, unfortunately.
1-800-282-2882.
1-800-282-2882.
And it is Jim in Atlanta.
Hello, Jim.
Welcome to the Rush Limbaugh program.
Thanks, Paul.
Well, big question here.
I know that President Bush is everybody's favorite whipping boy for big spender, but I also note that Congress is the one that is the group that would not make our tax cuts permanent.
So that makes me kind of go back and wonder who is really the biggest, bigger spender, Republican Congress or President Bush.
Obviously, it's shared.
Well, it is shared.
And let's face it, the Republican-controlled Congress failed miserably at accomplishing what a lot of us thought they should be able to accomplish, whether it was immigration reform.
I don't want to go through the list now, but they were in the driver's seat and they didn't drive in the right direction.
They didn't lose, they handed over to the Democrats by default, I guess.
It was very sad.
It was very unfortunate.
And as far as the president goes, and I had this conversation actually with George Stephanopoulos, but for a moment I thought it was here, but it was no, it was this morning on my morning show at WJR in Detroit.
We have George on every Friday talking about what he's going to be talking about with his program.
And the fact is, when you look at these various circumstances and situations and who says what and who says this or whatever, well, I don't want, see, we didn't talk about this here.
We talked about it this morning, and I knew that was going to happen, that I would think of that.
And I don't want to start another conversation and without George Stephanopoulos here to say, and I don't want to be misquoting anybody.
But back to your point.
The fact of the matter is, the president is responsible.
Our congressmen are responsible.
Our senators are responsible.
They have all dropped the ball.
And that is the case in not just Washington, but in many states and even local governments around the country.
So Detroit always ends up in the barrel because we've had some very rough times, but there are problems everywhere.
And it's very difficult.
Now, as far as President Bush goes, he doesn't come off well in front of a microphone or a camera.
I don't know why.
I've never understood it.
He's not a buffoon.
He is a very bright, good man.
But for some reason or another, it doesn't come through the way it does if you happen to be fortunate enough to be talking to him in person.
Anybody who spent any time with him in person thinks they're seeing, talking, spending time with a completely different person than what everybody is privy to by just seeing them on television or hearing them on the radio.
That's not surprising.
And I don't understand why that is, to tell you the truth.
I really don't.
So, you know, at one point or another, we can point fingers and blame, but really, we, the people, have some blame.
More of us watch an American idol than study who's running for offices, whether they're local offices, state and regional offices, or federal offices, and vote.
More people would rather vote for some kids singing or whatever on a program than to pick the next person to run our country or to lead us as our president.
You can't blame the Republicans or the Democrats for that.
Now, you can argue that, well, if they weren't so bad, I wouldn't have lost interest and therefore this or that.
And believe me, this year we'll have more excuses than ever because this year we can say legitimately, I'm worn out.
I'm worn out.
It started too soon.
And now I'm done with it.
Vote?
I'm sick of these guys.
It's going to be real easy for people to say that.
It won't help anything, but it's a convenient excuse.
I appreciate the call, Jim.
I wish that we could have had a newt still with it.
It's my fault because I didn't double-check with him once he came on.
And I don't think we double-checked with him when we put him on hold for the break.
And we should do that as well.
So it's our fault, and we apologize.
Kim is in Ridgecrest, California.
Kim, you're on the Rush Limbaugh program.
I'm Paul W. Smith.
Hi.
Hello, Paul.
I'm calling about the leaders of the religious right saying that they're not going to vote for some of the candidates.
We may get many to sit out the general election and give the left a win by default.
That could result in some big changes in the Supreme Court that'll affect us for many years.
I think we should follow Christian principles.
You know, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
And I think we need to treat our politicians that way as long as their core beliefs are for the good of the country.
Yeah, look, we're very willing to forgive certain people certain foibles.
I mean, let's face it, who's had more problems, troubles than, say, Senator Kennedy?
And even troubles and problems that would go against what one would call would be the liberal agenda in terms of the way he has treated women over the years.
For example, maybe it's a long time ago now, but it was that way.
But he voted the right way on women's issues, so he was given a pass.
We do tend to have selective indignation.
Yeah, and most of it seems to be on the left.
You know, the things that they hold against Republicans and conservatives are much more minor than the things that they let the liberals get by with.
Well, it's because, Kim, if you stand up on top of a mountain and proclaim yourself without sin, and then you climb down the mountain and you roll in the mud, more people are going to react to that than if you're already hanging in the mud and don't proclaim that you're not.
Yeah.
Well, I guess that's true, but we're going to cut off our, you know, noses despite our face.
I didn't know where you were going with that, Kim.
Yeah, well, that's the phrase I was trying to think of.
All right, well, good.
I thought maybe that that was the phrase you were trying to think of.
I thought I should help you.
That's part of my job here.
Rush actually leaves job instructions for those who fill in for him.
And one of the instructions is to help the caller get their point out, as he's explained before, on this very program, on this very radio station, your favorite radio station, where Rush comes to you every day.
And it is my pleasure to tell you that he'll be back Monday.
But look for him in Family Guy, or no, listen for him in the Family Guy this Sunday on the Fox Network.
Check your local listings.
We continue with your calls on the Rush Limbaugh program.
I'm Paul W. Smith.
It is very light.
And I had one of these before.
This is the new improved Sony Avayo, but I can't get it to work right.
I don't know what I've done wrong.
Now it says, I've never even seen this.
Windows did not shut down successfully.
If this was due to the system not responding, blah, blah, blah.
And it's got a little countdown, and I'm supposed to put the arrow on safe mode.
I can't find the arrow as the clock counts.
It's like it's going to explode in a couple minutes, and I can't do anything with it.
I'm just going to set it over there.
All right.
Forbes' 400 Richest People in America list is out.
This is astounding.
There are 82 billionaires who didn't have enough money to make the list.
82, this is not in the world.
This is just in America.
82 billionaires didn't make the list.
The top 400, the richest.
On top for the 14th straight year, Microsoft's Bill Gates with about, they have to estimate $59 billion, followed by his good friend, Warren Buffett, with $52 billion.
And it should be pointed out, the two of them have given billions of dollars away, billions of dollars to help people in this country and people around the world.
The biggest jump in the rankings was you follow Kirk Kokorian for a different reason.
You follow him because of his MGM Mirage casino and stuff.
We followed him because he wanted to force some changes at General Motors and he kind of lost out.
But he's done okay because the biggest jump in the rankings was by Kirk Kokorian, who vaulted to seventh place, doubling his net worth to $18 billion.
And the youngest person on the list, a hedge fund manager whose name I don't remember.
I wrote it for my Monday column in the Detroit News.
I don't have it in front of me, and I tried to find it on the computer.
33 years old, worth $1.5 billion.
33 years old.
Now, I know, Snerdley, you're not yet 33, but when you're 33, what will you be earning, do you think?
Not $1.5 billion?
You won't be worth $1.5 billion?
Okay.
Me neither, when I'm finally 33.
Let's get to your calls: 1-800-282-2882, 1-800-282-2882 or RushLimbaugh.com.
Paul W. in for Rush Rush back on the air with you Monday and in Columbus, Ohio, home of the Buckeyes.
They're along the Olentangi River.
It's Douglas.
Doug, your turn.
Welcome in to the Rush Limbaugh Show.
I'm Paul W. Smith.
You know about Columbus then, right?
Listen, my question is: is none of these Republican candidates, and I wanted to ask this to Newt, have gone in your face with why won't you let these guys let us drill for oil?
You're just running up the price of oil.
It's your fault if the economy is going down to twos because of inflation, because of the inflated oil price or gas prices, not ours.
None of these Republican candidates have even touched the subject.
Well, I've had a lot of people say that a lot of subjects aren't being touched, that even the one that was such a hot potato that didn't get talked about, at least initially, was immigration.
Right.
So there are a lot of the topics.
And I don't know, frankly, Doug, if it's because they too know they've started so early and there's this fatigue factor.
I really don't know what it is.
I don't know.
And I haven't had the chance.
There is going to be another debate, in fact, in Dearborn, Michigan, coming up in, I think, October.
That will be nationwide.
I think that's a good question.
One quick comment.
Yes.
I think this starting early is a definite calculation by the left wing and the media to fatigue the population.
Well, it's working.
It's working.
Thanks for the call, Doug.
Kurt in Evansville is here on the Rush Limbaugh program.
Hello, Kurt.
Yeah, Paul, thanks for taking my call.
Sure.
You know, on this health insurance thing, something has to be done one way or another, and that's pretty obvious to most people.
Right now, I'm kind of like most middle Americans.
My health insurance is provided partly by my employer.
However, my section of it that I have to pick up is still larger than my house payment.
Wow.
Things are out of kilter here a little bit.
And what I was going to ask Newt in this regard was his knock on it, or one of his main knocks on Hillary Care and any reform of the health care industry is that it's going to create a giant bureaucracy.
Well, my question is, how would one giant bureaucracy be any worse manageable than the thousands of different bureaucracies we have in place now with all the different insurance companies having different regulations, forms, rates, coverages?
I think I'm not going to pretend to answer the way what I'll just say what I think.
With the government being involved and our money, yours and mine, being involved in underwriting that, we've seen that big government doesn't do such a good job with these things.
I suspect the argument would be in a free market economy and in an opportunity for real competition, yes, there'd be some problems and some big companies that would do very well and some that wouldn't.
And in the end, you would have the big companies that do well, the ones we'd want to go to, working.
But the system is broken.
It started getting broken a long, long time ago when you'd go to the doctor's office and the doctor would say to you, I want you to take this, I want you to do that or whatever.
And then you'd go out and sit in the office and you'd wait while one of his nurses or office people had to argue with somebody on the other end of a phone line at an insurance company in another town who was looking in a big book that said, oh, no, that patient doesn't have to take that drug.
They should take this drug.
It's a lot cheaper.
Undermining what the doctor was saying.
When we saw that the control was there, and when there's that much money at stake, you're going to have problems like that.
That's the problem, and that's going to remain the problem.
All right, all right, I'm going.
This is the Rush Limbaugh program.
We'll be right back.
Now, I learned this from Mr. Limbaugh.
I'm sorry, with the time we have left, I would not be able to give you a fair chance to be heard and to say what it is you want to say.
I really wanted to go to Laura and Galen and Ben and everybody else.
I said, I can get four callers in in 40 seconds, and they said, no, you can't.
And so, you know, they're in charge, and so I won't.
But I will tell you that coming up in just a moment, we'll have Michael A. Ledine.
He's the author of The Iranian Time Bomb, The Mullah Zealot's Quest for Destruction.
He is resident scholar of the American Enterprise Institute.
You'll like him a lot.
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