That is absolutely right, uh Johnny Donovan uh uh ladies uh adore me.
Um matter of fact, I sometimes I feel very sorry for Mrs. Williams.
Uh we walk along the street and I see uh women passing there by just rolling their eyes at her and saying, Well, uh, why not me, anyway?
But let's get down to some let's get down to some seriousness here.
Uh now, the next election, or actually going on right now, is this whole hullab hullabaloo about health care.
And uh people want socialized medicine.
They say we want a single payer system in America.
Uh we want it like uh uh Canada's or New Zealand or or uh or London or uh uh United Kingdom, Britain.
Well, before you settle for the system, you have to say, well, well, you know, uh that idea, you have to say, well, how are those systems doing?
Uh would we like that in America?
Are we Americans any different uh from these other people around the world where we would not fall into the same uh trap?
Well, let me just kind of give you some uh some uh just a little bit.
In Britain, and I want I want you people who support a single payer health care system to call in and say, yes, we want this in America.
In Britain, about one million people are waiting to be admitted to the hospitals at any time.
In Canada, more than eight hundred and seventy-six thousand people are waiting for treatments of all types.
In New Zealand, the number of people on waiting lists for surgery and other treatments is uh more than 90,000 uh more than 90,000.
Uh now, uh the lengthy weights are not trivial.
Uh for example, in Britain, uh the uh the d the the delays for colon cancer treatment are so long that twenty percent of the cases that are considered curable at the time that the person is diagnosed as having colon cancer are incurable by the time of the treatment.
Last year, a lawsuit was filed against twelve Quebec hospitals on behalf of 10,000 breast cancer patients who had to wait more than eight weeks for radiation therapy, uh going again to Britain.
Uh British scientists, they helped develop kidney dialysis during the 1960s.
Yet today, uh Britons use dialysis at one-third the rate that Americans do.
If you need a coronary bypass in Britain, you are five times more likely to get it in the United States than in Britain or Canada.
And in Canada, um you're uh let me go back.
I I I uh read it wrong.
Uh if you need a coronary bypass, you're five times more likely to get in the get it in the United States than in Canada, and you're eight times more likely to get it than in Britain.
Here's a story put out by a uh eight actually is a very, very good group of doctors.
It's called the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.
It's a free market uh outfit uh among doctors.
And they have uh in their newsletter, and they say that Ontario is being sued by Leslie McCreef for the right to opt out of its government-run medical care system, which wanted to keep him waiting a year for diagnosis and treatment of a malignant brain tumor.
That was reported in the Wall Street Journal uh June 28th this year.
Now, in Canada, uh the new Democratic Party leader, Jack Leighton, and three former Canadian prime ministers, they get private treatment.
So here's one of the things that if we if we're pushing for uh this single payer system, you know what I would like to see added to the bill if we get it, or when they start talking about it, is something in there that says that politicians are required to use the same health care services that the rest of the people uh would have to use.
And if you had such a stipulation in the bill, I bet you would not have uh politicians uh uh supporting the bill if they knew that they would be subject to the same kind of treatment as everybody else.
Now, a lot of people push for this single payer system because they say health care is a right.
Well, I don't know what kind of right it is.
Uh that is, if you say that health care is a right, well, what do you really mean?
Well, first of all, uh you have to recognize is that government has no resource of its very own.
Uh what I mean by that, that the money being spent by politicians coming out of Washington or out of your state capital, it doesn't represent uh congressmen, senators, and state legislatures reaching in their own pockets to send the money out.
Moreover, there's no tooth ferry or Santa Claus giving them the money.
So when you recognize that government has no resources of its very own, you have to also recognize that the only way for the government to give one American citizen one dollar is to first take it from some other American.
Okay.
So if you say that health care is a right, well, then what you're also saying is that, or that does not differ from the statement that one person has the right to live at the expense of another person.
Now, when we talk about rights, typically we're talking about uh something that exists simultaneously among uh people.
For example, let's take my right to free speech.
Now, that's a legitimate right.
That is, my right to free speech does not uh impose any obligation on anyone else except that of non-interference.
My right to free travel uh does not impose an obligation on anybody else except uh that of uh they that they should not interfere with me.
Now, if we were to look at free speech rights the same way and and travel rights the same way people are talking about uh health care, well, my free speech right, my right to free speech would require that I take the money from some other American to be able to have a microphone,
to be able to have an all uh a uh an auditorium or my right to travel would mean that some other American would have to pay my airfare and my hotel hotel accommodations.
Well, I'm sure that the average person would say, Williams, yeah, you have right to free speech, you have a right to travel, but uh you you don't have the right to do so at my expense.
Now, when somebody has a right to something that they did not earn, that is, if you tell me, if you tell somebody, well, he has a right to health care even though he cannot afford it, when you say that, when you say a person has a right to something that he did not earn, that must mean that someone else does not have a right to something that he did earn.
Now, I want somebody to call in and tell me where do they see the justice in that?
Where do they see the fairness in that?
That is, where you tell one person that he has a right to something that he did not earn, and in order for him to exercise that right, it requires someone else not to have a right to something that he did earn.
Now, Don't get me wrong, folks.
I believe in helping our fellow man in need.
But I believe that reaching into your one's own pockets to help your fellow man in need is praiseworthy and laudable.
I think that reaching into somebody else's pockets to help your fellow man in need, I think that is despicable and worthy of condemnation.
And I would like for someone to tell me how reaching into somebody else's pocket to help his fellow man in need is is is laudable or something that moral people should support.
We'll be back with your calls after this.
Walter E. Williams uh holding a fort for Rush while he's vacating v vacationing.
And you can be on with us by calling 800 282-2882, and let's go to the phones to Joe in Bedford, Indiana.
Welcome to show.
Thanks for taking my call, Dr. Williams.
Got two questions for you.
Uh now, given that you have your sweetheart in tow and under control, are you the guy that has taken Rush Bob on as a project, taking him to the barn and taught him how to deal with women?
Now the second thing I'd like to know, I'd love to know what you got your wife for Christmas past Christmas.
Well, um that that that I I had a hard time finding a Christmas gift because I uh I always buy something practical, as uh everybody knows.
Uh and and one of my strategies is to, and I recommend this to all men out there, is to look around the house and find out something that you're gonna have to buy anyway and get that.
Well, I didn't quite do that this Christmas.
Uh uh, Mrs. Williams, uh course, you know, we've been married forty-eight years, and we're not spring chickens, and she's getting older.
And um, and so uh I and I like my shoes shine uh you know, like really, really good, like they do in the army, uh you know, see your face in them.
And so I got an electric shoe shine brush.
And uh so that uh you know that helps her a lot.
And actually she's done a very, very good job uh with that.
And so that that that was the gift for uh last Christmas.
Now, in terms of Rush, now I d now r I you know uh Rush does not pay me enough to uh because you he only pays me the minimum wage for doing this show, and so all the side benefits uh in terms of wife raising and how to handle women, I just cannot uh let it do it.
I let it go for uh five dollars and eighty-five cents an hour.
So um as soon as Rush ups my pay, I can give him some advice, but I can give some advice to all you men out there.
Uh and it has to do with wife raising.
Just go to my site, it's Walter E. Williams.com, and click on miscellaneous, and you'll see a good uh good wife's uh guide there, and it'll give your wife uh or your lady uh many many tips on how to you know the correct way to uh behave with respect to her husband.
But thanks life for calling in, and let's go to Atlanta, Georgia and welcome Larry to the show.
Welcome, Larry.
Larry, are you there?
Touch that business about the uh uh the women.
I'm gonna stay away from that.
Um I wanted to take you up on your challenge of telling you the uh the error of your ways on the allocation of this right.
Okay.
So so you so you're gonna say you're gonna show us how one person has the right to live at the expense of another person.
No, I'm gonna ask you to drop all I all thought of having one person against the other.
Health care is not a right.
Health care in this country, as it is practiced, is an asset.
And as such, it is it belongs to the people.
Now let me explain why I say that.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
No, no, just help me in the steps, and because I'm gonna let you explain.
Just help me the steps.
Okay.
So uh where does the government get the money to provide this asset as you're calling it?
Well, I I don't know, but they come up with it, and here's how I know.
Okay.
But when you go to these colleges, and when you go to these research centers, and you go to all these different places Where they're doing heavy research into the uh uh taking the fly crap out of the pepper, they come up with some process, they come up with some machine, they come up with some theory, some patent that's very expensive.
You take, for instance, these machines that can look into your body and see things, this is not an independently developed machine.
This is a machine that was developed in a laboratory at governmental expense.
So when this governmental expense gets put into a patent, these patents go out into the world here, and people buy into these uh take these patents and put this machine out for public use, for for private use.
And so just the machine, just the research, blah, blah, blah, and on down the line, I say the bulk of the heavy lifting or the heavy money in uh health care is a public asset.
And you do not diminish one person by giving something to him by taking away from another.
Oh, you don't?
I say that because you you need it, you need a how what do you think about public sewers?
Why are they there?
Why do we have public water supply?
Wait, I benefit from a public uh sewer, and so I'm so I'm obligated to pay.
But wait, wait, wait a minute.
Wait, wait, I I don't I don't benefit at all from your leg being fixed.
I don't care.
I don't give I don't give a hoot about your broken leg.
But I do.
But but I don't.
Why should I pay for it?
I don't care about whether or not you have clean drinking water, but you have it.
Oh wait, wait, wait.
You're talking about something different.
I'm saying what are we talking about?
We're talking about a publicly supplied asset that is paid for by general taxation.
Well, suppose I don't benefit from it.
Then you it's not that you it's not that you don't have it.
But no push to drink the water if you want to buy a bottle of water, that's your right.
Well wait, wait a minute, wait a minute.
I do not benefit from certain things being done by the government, so why should I pay?
Then why do you take advantage, sir, of the MRIs, the scan machines, which were eventually?
Well, that's not given I I pay for that.
You only pay.
But on the other hand, but on the but let's go back to something more basic, m something a little more basic.
Government should not be in the business of research anyway.
Well, thank you very much.
Now you get the government out of s out of research, I'll get some of my tax money back, and I'll be able to go out and do it.
Well, that'll be private health.
That'll be wonderful, and I will buy you a drink.
Let's go to uh Sean in Salt Lake City.
Uh Professor Williams.
I hey, I just wanted to bring up, you know, nobody's nobody's entitled to health care, and I and I think you just made a great argument with your last caller.
Just like nobody deserves the right to have car insurance or life insurance.
You know, that's that is your own that's your very own responsibility.
Earlier in the week, Rush mentioned he was talking about the the state's uh chip programs that to provide uh health care to uh young children, and how it's actually an entitlement that's being um given out now to the middle class.
I think the cutoff is about eighty thousand dollars.
Well, if you're making eighty thousand dollars, you you better be able to pay for your kids when they when they go to the doctor.
I would think but getting back to your point is of who deserves what, I think you're gonna get phone calls uh within this discussion about people that that are gonna argue, well, white is big insurance and white is big pharmacy.
Why why do they think they they deserve so much money and uh money money from money from whom?
They deserve my money if they're selling me a product.
Well, exactly.
It and as much as we always hate our insurance premium, I was talking with my dad this morning, complaining about his insurance premiums.
Well, as much as we hate those premiums, as much as we hate to pay car insurance and everything else, we are we're being given a service, but we also need to remember, even within big pharmacy within this country, we're paying for all that research that is being done by private companies.
And and then also what we're paying for when we uh when we buy drugs, we're paying for a very costly food and drug administration uh procedure uh that uh uh whereby they they they they don't want to make any errors, so they make it very, very costly.
I I think that on the average it costs close to a billion dollars to get a drug on the market.
And and and that is that's just insane.
Yeah, yeah, it it is.
And uh and uh it's something that you said that you said a little bit uh uh earlier that I was uh very interested in and that is if we if we want to help people I I d don't misunderstand me.
I want to help my fellow man.
But I believe that charity is noble whereby theft legal or illegal is despicable.
That is and taking what belongs to one person and giving it to another is nothing but theft whether it's legal or illegal form.
We'll be back with more of your calls after this and I'm Dr. Walt Williams.
We're back uh with Open Line Friday and this is Walt Williams sitting in for uh Rush and let's go back to the phones and welcome Mike from Sioux South Dakota.
Hello Dr Williams Welcome.
You are my favorite fill in for Rush I might add.
Well thank you.
I'll pass on that programming note.
Well I was calling in regards to the last call where he was talking about the government had uh been the creator of almost all the diagnostics have that's not right.
Well the fact of the matter, you know the government probably spends the most money but you know as far as actual progress or developments in almost any field they're producing less than one percent of any total discovery that's ever been made.
Uh that's right and matter of fact uh what I would propose that is if the government if if the government should be doing this anyway, if the government wants to find out uh how to do something, just issue a prize.
It's a great encouragement, you know whether it be through tax breaks or for through some sort of subsidy to encourage that the financial pressure of doing well by being rewarded with uh some type of cash incentive is a great uh prospect for any business.
Oh that you're absolutely right and uh thanks a lot for calling in let's uh let's uh get in uh another call uh art from uh Shepherd uh Montana.
Hi Dr. Williams I'd like to give economic reasons why Hillary Care Hillary care will destroy the health system in this country.
First place destroyed as we know it.
Uh probably even worse than that because uh for a doctor to get out of college he's gonna have a two hundred thousand dollar debt.
To set himself up in practice he's gonna have somewhere between two hundred thousand and five hundred thousand dollars of additional expenses there, which means that he has just to start out he has just for interest alone he has forty thousand dollars a year.
Then if you're in something like OBGYN which is the only one I hear the numbers on every year uh malpractice malpractice is going up a hundred thousand which means you have to charge an additional fifty dollars an hour or get a at least one more patient in per hour.
And malpractice for OBG wine is not as high as the uh an anesthesiologist I think and then uh another thing is is that because you have uh so many lawsuits also the hospital system has to have it and therefore they have every one of them has every piece of equipment from a cat scan to an MRI.
You name the piece of equipment every ho every major hospital has it because they want to avoid being sued.
Yeah they have the pr they call it defensive medicine.
Yeah and then you take a state uh I'll y use Montana as an example.
Now we have nine hundred thousand people plus in this state which app works out to about one per s uh six per square mile.
And Eastern Montana is really, really um lighter than that.
And you absolutely cannot have Hillary care ends up in like this.
And then another thing is is we haven't been produ we've only pr been producing about forty percent of our own doctors.
Sixty percent have been coming from overseas.
They've gone been willing to go through additional training and everything else in order to get up to you.
I imagine a lot uh some are from Canada.
Right.
And Britain and Europe and Japan and India may go through the additional training.
Well if uh we get the same system that they have there, what's the point in coming?
What's the point in trying to go through all the citizenship process and everything else and getting qualified.
They can do the they can practice back in our own uh country.
You're right.
And and and it's something interesting that uh people ought to know I I get I get a lot of mail from Canadians because uh one of my columns is carried uh in Canada and uh what newspapers carried m in uh a couple of my columns and uh a couple of newspapers carry my columns in Canada and some of the people have sent me uh letters saying well don't have the single payer system in the United States for where would can Canadians go for their health care.
I've heard that before like that uh those people that had that quadruplets I think they came down to South Dakota.
I heard it was reported it was Montana, but they came down to South Dakota to have their quadruplets because Canada could not handle multiple births.
That's right.
And if they had been listening to uh uh who's the uh sicker and sick uh uh who am I trying to think of uh uh Moore yeah uh they would have gone to Cuba.
Right.
That's uh why why stop the rest of the important Spanish doctor take care of Canada.
Well uh thanks a lot for calling in and uh let's go to Durham, North Carolina and welcome Gordon to the show.
How are you doing Dr. Williams?
Okay.
Uh Dr Williams I I I do agree with you that health care is not a right but I have two issues that I want to bring up.
Uh number one is that um you you made the statement that you know people have to earn the right but you you didn't earn the right of free speech.
No I didn't I didn't say I didn't say that.
You say you said people have to earn their right.
No no I said no no wait wait I s I I I was proposing that whatever people if you benefit from something you ought to pay for it.
No you made the statement explicitly that people have a right they they have to earn it.
And you didn't earn free speech from our forefathers.
Uh l okay let's assume uh let's assume that I said that which I did not okay we won't believe that part my my thing is even though health care is not a right is the greatest country on the face of the earth probably in the history of civilization.
And it seemed like to me that it's a shame that we are are arguing over whether we're gonna take care of all our citizens or not.
You know when we have the money we got more money people got more money and yeah they earned it.
But they got more money than we ever had before and we're quibbling over whether all our citizens should have health care.
Well well I think counterpolity to I I'm not quibbling over that.
Wait I'm saying wait a minute wait a minute wait wait wait hold a sec.
Hold a second I'm I'm quibbling about my money going to them.
Now if you want to send your money that's okay.
But I don't I don't have a problem sending my money sir but you're saying yeah but wait you around the world to wait a minute wait a minute you you want to wait a minute well hold hold a second what you want to do you want to force me Walter Williams to give my money to take care of somebody.
No if you see see this is one of the problems I have with socialism that is if people want to be socialism socialist or communist, I have no problem with that but let them go do their communist thing and leave me alone.
No but that but that's not what I'm saying.
Don't don't miss the show what I'm saying.
Okay I'm saying that this country has the ability to do all kinds of things we wage war all around the world.
We spend millions and billions of dollars to tear down stuff we spent millions of dollars to uh we spent millions of dollars to support uh uh uh Saddam Hussein and then we spent billions of dollars to knock him out of office but we can't spend money to take care of our own citizens you don't want to pay for it that's fine but somebody needs to pay for it.
Okay, you you pay for it.
I'll pay for it.
Okay.
I think I think you're a generous person, Gordon uh but thanks for uh thanks for letting us know.
Uh let's go to we can we take one more before the break let's go to uh Jim in Palisade Cor uh Colorado.
Mr Williams.
Yes.
What an honor to speak to you.
Maybe you can help me understand something.
I have heard recently that the economy being robust is actually bogus because we're buying borrowing millions of dollars from foreign countries like China to shore the economy up.
And also could you comment about uh the effect foreign money buying American assets and land has oh well you know back during the eighties when everybody saw Japan as the great power uh Japan uh Japanese were coming in I uh I don't know whether uh they've uh uh they they're talking about buying the Rockefeller Center they're talking about but yeah w they bought the Rockefeller Center and uh uh talking about buying uh Disneyland.
And so I was saying that people are concerned about that.
I say, okay, the Chinese, let's say uh or the Japanese buy the Rockefeller Center, uh when they get mad with us, are they gonna take it back home?
I uh uh uh s so what?
I mean, it it see my my view on things is that it doesn't matter so much who owns something, but who has the rights to use it.
That is we and then I was telling people I said now if if the if the Japanese bought uh Disney or they bought the whatever uh MGM or or movie theaters uh uh uh um uh filmmakers in Hollywood, do you think that they would go out and uh and start making Japanese movies?
Do you?
Probably not.
They probably make the same old movies that we that we've been seeing, because I think the worst movie in the world is a Japanese movie.
So I don't I don't worry about that.
And and I think that if foreigners are willing to invest in the United States, put their money in the United States, isn't that a wonderful thing?
That is uh you don't find people rushing to put their money in Zaire, do you?
No.
I think that it shows that the world has confidence in us, they know that we are a uh uh we we have rule of law, we have uh r uh r uh uh relatively high respect for priv uh private property rights, and the rest of the world sees that as wonderful.
And then a lot of people say, well, look, Chinese hold a lot of debt.
Suppose they start selling, they blackmail us by saying, Oh, we're gonna unload our debt.
Well, I don't think the Chinese are stupid.
That is, if all these countries start trying to uh cash in their bonds or their or their treasury notes, uh it would drive the price down and they would make a huge loss.
So I doubt whether they're gonna do that unless they uh look at uh getting even more important than their own personal welfare.
Thanks for the call.
We'll be back with your calls after this.
We're back, uh Walt Williams uh holding forth in the in the declining minutes of the show.
Uh but th th there's another story here.
Uh it says uh drill sergeant uh faces uh he's in the Marines, he's a Marine drill instructor.
He's been charged with two hundred and twenty-five criminal count uh counts connected to abusing recruits.
Uh that's what a Marine spokesman said.
Um in one incident, uh Sergeant Glass allegedly ordered a recruit to jump head first into a trash can and then pushed them further in the container.
Uh and he's done other things to uh uh recruits.
And but however, um the Marines said in uh in their press uh release that no member of uh his platoon was seriously injured.
Um I guess, you know, Army does all kinds of things to uh bring out the toughness in man.
I remember when I was in the Army, this is in 1959, uh I was drafted.
Uh people call it a draft.
I like to call it my labor services were confiscated by the Army.
Um anyway, um uh we had uh marches, long marches carrying uh any anywhere at least fifty pounds and up, and sometimes fifteen, twenty-mile uh marches, and uh and the chow truck where we ate uh was uh at a certain location that we're supposed to be by let's say lunchtime, and if we weren't there, the trout child truck was just gonna stay for an hour and then he'd move on.
And if you did not uh keep up the pace, uh you would be uh out of lunch.
And then I remember in uh basic training, this is at Fort Jackson, South Carolina, uh they used to have the guys who were fat, they had a whole string of guys, they had them running up the hill uh and uh early in the morning before anybody else got up running, you try to take some of that uh fat off of them.
Uh but you know what has happened to the military uh in our country too, even though we have great fighting uh men, I believe that there's been a lot of feminization of our military.
Uh that is uh the uh sergeants and the uh and leaders are uh not allowed to do things that they used to do uh yesterday.
But I don't know.
I'd have to look into this a little more to see whether I would bring charges against this uh sergeant.
Let's uh go to the phones uh to Dallas, Texas, and welcome Steve to the show.
Welcome to show.
Thank you, Dr. Williams.
This is indeed an honor.
You are the great teacher.
Well, thank you.
I have uh a question.
I heard the other day that uh someone said that FDR and the new deal had more to do with causing the depression than anything else.
Uh can you uh enlighten me on that or do you agree with that?
Well, uh I think his his New Deal legislation uh exacerbated the inflection uh the in the the uh uh depression.
But uh many economists and and if you wanted to read it, it's uh it's a very thick, heavy book.
It's been w bit written by uh Milton Friedman and Anna Swartz.
It's called The Monetary History of the United States, and they point out that the Federal Reserve Bank was tightening money when it should not have been, and it was uh increasing the money supply when it should not have been.
Then there was the uh Smoot Hawley Act of I believe of uh 1929 uh that is very very restrictive um uh tariffs on foreign goods, and the Smoot Hawley Act uh kind of exported some of the uh the our uh business cycle, our downturn in the business cycle to other parts of the world.
But but clearly the Great Depression was a government phenomena and the efforts by uh uh Roosevelt uh during the Depression uh setting uh minimum prices in the name of fighting the uh depression,
uh and setting um all kinds of regulations, uh uh burning uh burning crops and uh uh and and killing pigs and pouring milk and in order to raise the prices, uh uh these kind of actions just made a a uh relatively small downturn uh worse.
So uh there uh th that is absolutely yeah, unemployment was still high.
There's excellent book.
Uh it's called uh FDR's Follies, and you can check on Amazon.com and you can probably uh uh come up with it and it goes through uh quite extensively uh what uh the uh problems during the uh federal uh uh Franklin Del North Roosevelt uh regime.
Uh we're going to uh take a break and we'll be back after this.
Walter Williams uh fitting in the last segment of the last day of the week.
And let's go to uh David in Penn Valley, California.
Welcome to show David.
Well, hi, Dr. Williams.
Uh I'm it's it's a pleasure to talk to you, but I do take issue with your characterization of the single payer uh health care system.
Uh I don't see it as the case of uh money going out of your pocket to benefit someone else's health care needs.
I see it as uh an instance in which everybody contributes to a public pool so that uh the money is there to to for to supply everyone with the benefit as needed.
That's something private insurance doesn't do.
Well, insurance excludes a lot of people from uh from the uh coverage.
Uh I I I don't wait, I I I don't benefit I, Walter Williams, I don't benefit from, let's say if you have a broken leg uh uh getting it fixed.
Nor do you know nor the the same works in verse.
You don't re uh in reverse, you don't uh uh uh benefit from my having uh a broken leg fixed.
Yes, but if you have insurance, you're you're you're you're paying for other people's broken legs now because you're paying into a pool.
What I'm saying is the insurance poll.
Well, I that's that's a voluntary, isn't it?
I mean they they I've said you're prepared to pay two hundred thousand dollars next week.
Wait, wait a wait wait a minute.
No, but the point is is that I've I volunteered to be in it, right?
You uh uh you know i if you don't volunteer to be to be and have insurance, then you become a burden on society.
Oh no, no, no, that's a good thing.
Oh, wait, wait, wait for you.
No, that's the problem of socialism when you say I'm a burden on society because no person should be forced to take care of me.
But but the point is you some people don't have a choice.
They they cannot afford to pay two hundred thousand for dollars for chemo therapy, so they have to.
Well we're up up against the clock.
I would like to show you where you where you're wrong, but we're up against the clock.
And uh and and I have to get home.
Uh and I had to call Mrs. Williams to tell her to turn the air conditioner back on and have my wine uh sitting out there.
And uh and I and so we're quite up against the clock.