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Aug. 24, 2007 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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August 24, 2007, Friday, Hour #2
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That is absolutely right, and it is a hard job selling my fellow Americans on the moral superiority of personal liberty and its main ingredient, limited government.
Anyway, let's stick with government.
Now, the now here's a story that a lot of Americans are just completely unaware of, and that is environmentalists, with the help of politicians and other government officials, they have an agenda that has cost thousands of American lives and perhaps millions of lives elsewhere.
And you say, Well, Walter, what are you talking about?
These people are just wonderful people.
They just like the teddy bear.
They like animals and things like this.
Aren't they cute?
No.
Let's go back to uh Hurricane Katrina.
Now, in the wake of Hurricane Betsy, this is in 1965 when Hurricane Betsy stroke struck uh struck the uh Gulf Coast, the United States Army Corps of Engineers, they promote they propose building floodgates on the lake on Lake Ponch Train.
And those floodgates are like those that have been built in the Netherlands that uh protect the city from the uh from the, you know, protect cities from the North Sea storms.
Now, in 1977, when the gates were about to be built, the environmental defense fund in an organization called Save Our Wetlands brought a court injunction to block the project.
Now, this uh there's a fellow named John Burlow, he's uh at the uh competitive enterprise institute, and he's just written a book about this how I know it named the book as Eco Freaks.
And he points out that the U.S. Attorney General, uh I'm sorry, the U.S. attorney uh Gerald Golingholz Gallinghouse told the court that not building the gates would kill thousands of people in New Orleans.
But the judge issued an injunction despite the evidence refuting the claim of the of environmental uh damage.
So some of the death that occurred uh during the uh hurricane, uh Hurricane Katrina might have been prevented had these uh floodgates been built.
They have them in the in the uh Netherlands, and it does a good job in protecting cities from North Sea uh very, very uh rough storms.
Now, another environmental favor, environmentalist favor, is uh DDT.
They want to eliminate the use of uh DDT, and they claim that it's harmful to humans and animals.
But however, there's a uh uh according to Burlow and and some others, uh not a single um study that has ever been replicated to show that exposure to DDT is uh is harmful to humans.
And matter of fact, in one long-term study, uh volunteers ate 32 ounces of DDT for a year and a half, and they suffered no increased risk of uh of adverse health effects.
Now, uh there are many places in the world where DDT was used to get rid of uh mosquitoes that caused malaria after World War II, and when TD DDT was banned, uh the malaria came back, and it's responsible for millions of people uh becoming sick or dying from malaria, especially in uh in Africa.
But here's how the environmentalists, or at least some of them, uh see DDT.
Now there's this fellow Alexander King, and he's the co-founder of the Club of Rome.
And he said, and I'm quoting him, in Guyana, in Guyana, uh, within almost two years, it had almost eliminated malaria, it being DDT.
But at the same time, the birth rate had doubled.
So my chief quarrel with DDT in hindsight is that it greatly added to the population problem.
Now here's another environmental attorney, uh Jeff Hoffman.
And he wrote, and again I'm quoting, malaria was actually a natural population control, and DDT has caused a massive population explosion in some places where it has eradicated malaria.
I don't see, and goes on to say, I don't see any respect for mosquitoes on these posts.
And so these many of these people who are against DDT, they're really just against people.
There's uh another story that many Americans are entirely unaware of.
In 2001, thousands of Americans uh perished in the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center.
Now, in the early 70s, when the World Trade Uh Trade Center was being built, the asbestos scare had just started in the United States, and the builders at that time they had planned to use something called abesto spray.
And this is a flame retardant that adheres to steel.
It sticks to steel.
And but however, the New York Port of Authority caved into environmentalists and denied the use of this asbestos, and an inferior substitute was used.
Now, after the after the uh the 9-11 attack, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, they confirmed what other experts confirm.
And they said that the world it's not likely that the World Tower, World Trade Center, would have collapsed had the proper asbestos been used.
It would not have happened.
Now, there are other restrictions on asbestos, and that is uh we can't use it in our naval vessels, and it makes the naval vessels more vulnerable to our enemies.
There's another story that people are unaware of.
The Columbia spaceship disaster was uh a result of EPA's demand that NASA not use Freon in its thermal insulating foam.
Let me give you another story about the death caused by uh environmentalists uh and their cronies in Congress.
Uh Congress uh mandates uh automobile fuel mileage standards.
They call them a CAFE standards, actually what CAFE stands for is corporate average fuel economy.
Now, these mandates made by uh Congress causes Detroit and other car manufacturers to produce lighter and less crash-worthy cars.
Now, in 2002, the National Academy of Sciences calculated that CAFE standards cause 2,000 additional traffic deaths each year.
In 1999, USA Today analysis of the government and the insurance institute data found that since 1970s,
the when the CAFE standards began, when they went into effect, 46,000 people died in crashes where they would have likely survived had they been riding in heavier cars.
Now, now here's the story, folks.
None of this is news to politicians.
Politicians are fully aware of what I what I just uh talked about.
It's just that the environmental extremists, they have the ears of the politicians, and the victims don't.
That is, somebody, one of one of your relatives, if you had a relative killed in an automobile accident, or if you had a relative that died in the uh 9-11 attack, well, you don't know.
You just plain don't know that that person might have survived, let's say the automobile accident had it not been for these cafe standards.
Or that loved one might have survived had asbestos spray had been used on the steel girders in the World Trade Center uh center.
But see, the politicians know this, and they're not going to tell you.
You're not going to tell you at all.
But they have the ears, the uh environmentals have their ears, the environmentalists have their ears, and we, the American people, don't.
We'll be back with your calls after this.
This is Walter Williams sitting in for Russia.
And by the way, uh you folks, if you uh if you read something that I've uh written and uh if you if I said something on the previous show that you're concerned about upset, I welcome you to call in because this is open line Friday, but now let's go to the phones and welcome Chris from Asheville, North Carolina.
Welcome to the show, Chris.
Hi, Dr. Williams.
Thank you for taking my call.
Um you had mentioned earlier about the sixteenth amendment.
Yeah.
And I I just like to just have a just a conversation about that just a moment, if you might.
Um roughly forty percent of the tax code was written prior that we use today was written prior to 1913 when the sixteenth amendment uh was put as an amendment.
Uh and your call screener asked me a minute ago if uh if I thought the income tax was illegal and actually, and I don't think that it's illegal, I just don't think it is a is applicable to everybody.
Um and that what happened with the sixteenth Tell me uh oh you are you saying i i is it applicable to me.
Uh it it it would it perhaps uh not.
And so you're saying that I don't next year I don't have to pay my tax and I'll be all right.
Uh that's that's there's probably a little bit more to it than that, but if you let me go on if you will no I no, I just want to know because if you tell me that I uh that I don't have to pay taxes and and Rush audience of millions, we don't have to pay taxes, then every and if we don't uh file next year, everything'll be all right.
I want to hear about that.
Okay.
Well then then let me tell you about that.
Everything will be all right now.
Everything will be all right.
And no and nobody will come to my house.
Uh no, sir.
Okay, go ahead.
Go ahead.
Okay, let me just make my key point.
I'm waiting for it.
Because it's gonna it'll take some it's gonna take some study on on everyone's part, but it but uh I won't take much longer.
Um the uh the sixteenth amendment, what happened with it was there was a decision called the Pollock decision.
Yeah.
That was back in the late you probably know about the Pollock decision.
Yes, I do.
It basically said that everybody was subject to the income tax.
And uh the sixteenth amendment came along and what it did was it closed the loophole that the Pollock decision had left out there.
Uh so the tax code is based on back into eighteen sixty-two, back to during the Civil War.
And there that was the third.
No, and uh the inc the income tax was held unconstitutional in uh I think in 1890s.
Uh well, the it w the Pollock decision said that there was well, i the the income tax has been it it's been wrong from gay day one because you you mentioned earlier that the there was no direct tax, uh and that's mentioned two times in the Constitution.
The founders were so uh enamored with the the the the reason not to have uh a direct tax on income that if they mentioned it twice.
There are very few things that hadn't been.
Okay, but he but getting back to what what m what my conversation was uh when w when I mentioned the sixteenth amendment, I said that look, if we have a national sales tax, which there's a lot of things uh in f uh um going for it that uh that that I would like, uh we should not have it unless we can repeal the sixteenth amendment because we'll have both an income tax and a sales tax.
Now uh all the stuff I read a lot of uh a lot of material about people saying, well, it wasn't ratified properly and it wasn't this and wasn't that, but the fact of business is that the treasury says that we are obligated to pay income tax And they have the guns to enforce it.
And so that's that's all I'm saying.
Well, but the Supreme Court has said dozens of times that it is nothing more than an XIS tax.
It's it's it has to be a indirect tax.
The 16th Amendment did not make it a direct tax.
Well, uh and and if you look at the book, I think you're I think you're wrong on it.
I think I think you're absolutely wrong.
That is, unless you're prepared to say that next year, all the Americans that have made W 2 income are not liable to the income tax, then uh uh you're whistling Dixie.
Well, but that's but that it really truly is the case.
Okay, well, uh well, then we don't have to pay.
Well, f give it a shot, everybody.
I but don't say you got the word from this show.
I am telling you to pay the taxes until we can legally repeal the sixteenth amendment.
Let's go to uh John in Orange Park, Florida.
Welcome to the show, John.
Good afternoon.
How are you doing, sir?
Okay.
Uh you were talking about the environmental lobby and everything and how they've uh hijacked a lot of our politicians in the US and you were talking you had made a comment about DDT.
Yeah.
Um DDT, even though it is outlawed in the US and probably will never come back, it is actually still being used today in a lot of third world countries.
Yes, but uh I I I understand that, but in s in many cases, the third world countries are being blackmailed saying that if they don't you if they if they use it, we're going to withhold funds, we're gonna do this, and we're gonna take other sanctions against them.
Well, I don't know about that.
I know that they use it in uh South America, especially in Mexico and in Venezuela, um, they use it as a spray to get rid of a lot of insects that damage crops, and a lot of other third world countries are still using it for mosquito control and actually going and spraying people's homes in huts and everything on the outside to prevent the mosquitoes.
You know, a very interesting uh uh story about this is that Rachel Carson's book, the uh uh the silent spring, that started all this, and it's a lot of bogus stuff in her book.
But anyway, uh she is gonna uh one of her concerns was uh what about the birds?
It's killing the birds.
Well, it turns out that in some cases the uh the li the lack of the insecticide is allowing these various critters to uh uh get a foothold and the critters are killing the birds.
I mean that and so it's kind of uh um uh i uh you know she was working at uh cross purposes where they're uh with uh uh her agenda.
But the the point is I and now I hear I hear some environmentalists say, well, gee, they're they're ch there are other sprays that are just as effective, but these other sprays are far more costly than DDT.
DDT is dirt cheap.
And so poor countries uh need to have DDT.
Let's go to take another call and let's go to Tom in Baltimore.
Welcome to the case.
Dr. Williams, how are you the sense of greetings from the People's Republic of Maryland?
I just wanted to clarify about asbestos in the World Trade Center.
Yeah.
They used uh asbestos when they started building those buildings, they used as fast as sprayed on all the way up the first tower that was completed, and the process was stopped halfway up the second tower.
So when the buildings were built, one and a half of them did in fact have adequate fireproofing.
Now in the mid eighties, when everybody was really panicking about asbestos under a law passed by Carter called it here, the asbestos hazard emergency response act, that's when people started ripping the asbestos out of schools.
There was another process called encapsulation to seal the asbestos behind fiberglass, then you would just maintain it and inspect it on a regular basis, which would cost a whole lot less.
But it sent since you're an expert, but the uh what they're using as the substitute for asbestos it does not have the fireproofing capacity that Obes asbestos and getting to is that when they took the asbestos off all of the exposed themes in the World Trade Center, instead of encapsulating it in the eighties, they never replaced it with anything.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
Well, uh uh thank you for uh clarifying that uh but uh the point is Is that it's not likely, according to the uh this this group uh this outfit called the uh national uh sta Institute of Standards and Technology, it's not likely that the World Trade Centers would have collapsed and there would have been a a uh smaller loss of life had they not collapsed.
And had they been using the uh asbestos spray, it would not have happened.
We'll be back after this.
Yes, it's Walter Williams sitting in for a rush, and we're trying to push back the frontiers of ignorance and try to convince my fellow Americans on the moral superiority of personal liberty.
But let's go to the phones and welcome Billy from Columbus, Ohio.
Welcome to the show, Billy.
Well, actually I'm not from Columbus, but I'm on the road in Columbus, Dr. Williams.
Okay.
Well I uh one of the things that one of the most bogus terms, Doctor, I think is is is trade deficit.
I I think this is actually a sign of a healthy economy.
You know, if you look at the numbers, if you go back to last time our trade deficit actually really dropped big time was back in 1980, and uh our country was in, you know, we're Reagan was just taking over from Jimmy Carter.
What do you think of that?
Oh, well, I I think uh when people talk about when people get worked up about a trade deficit, they're saying, oh, look, uh we buy more from the Chinese than the Chinese buy from us.
And so it turns out that we have a deficit on the current account.
Now, a current account uh is the goods and sir uh uh represents goods and services that are traded.
And so, yes, the Chinese don't buy as many goods from us as we buy from them.
But when the when the Chinese uh buy goods in the United States, uh I mean sell goods in the United States, well, what do they do with those dollars?
They don't put them in a cookie jar, they go and they buy bonds, they buy stocks, they buy treasury uh securities.
And so what that means is that we have a surplus on what's called the capital account.
The capital account consists of stocks and bonds and other money instruments.
And so it always has the balance.
And so when people say, Oh, we're buying more from them than they're buying from us, well, I tell people, look, I buy more from my grocer than he buys from me.
That is uh I have a uh I I have a uh deficit on my goods on my goods account.
And so or the or the uh and the grocer, he buys more from the wholesaler than the wholesaler buys from uh him.
And so I think that just robust trade is the uh uh is a sign of a good economy.
There are some economies that are in the doldrums and they have trade surpluses in the current account.
And so isn't another way of looking at it, it's like that dollar bill is actually an IOU for the goods and services of the United States.
And if China doesn't buy something from us, and if they don't invest that dollar back in this country, then they have to buy from somebody else who's gonna return that dollar to their own.
What we would love as Americans, what I would love as Americans, you know, the Chinese and the Japanese, they they work hard and sell us cars, they sell us clothing, they sell us all kinds of goods, and they get these dollars, and they just take them back and they just worship these dollars, they put them in the underneath the mattress.
Now, here's what we could do as Americans.
We could just sit out on the beach and enjoy ourselves and have the world send all these goodies, and we can have one or two people making up these little pieces of paper that we call dollars.
That's right, because if they if those dollars don't come back to this country, whatever we bought with them, it was free.
That is absolutely right.
Now, you are you in the trucking business?
I I'm I'm I'm on a long distance truck driver.
Oh my goodness.
Uh yeah, uh what what roads do you travel?
Right.
Well, I just came out of the worst damn traffic jam on uh Route 70 west of Columbus.
Oh my god, yeah.
Now uh now what I do uh I ask you guys to be nice to me.
I I go on I-95 a lot.
Well, if you heard the expression, watch out for the other guy.
Yeah.
I'm the other guy.
And I'm I'm watching up for you, but I love a trucker under the following conditions.
Now sometimes I'm in the western part of Pennsylvania.
Not nothing.
Not pardon me?
That's where I'm from.
Yeah, the head from Butler.
Oh my one good.
So you're on the Pennsylvania Turnpike a lot, aren't you?
Well, actually, no, my company doesn't like paying the tolls.
Okay.
I Now now here's what I hit now.
Here's I think the ideal use of a truck driver, particularly at night, because uh, you know, there are a lot of deer on the highway that run across the highway, and what I do, I I find a truck that's going fast and I follow him and let him take the deer if a deer comes up.
Yeah, they're nothing more than bats with long legs.
That's right.
That's my opinion too.
Yeah, I c I call them just big rats.
But thanks a lot, uh uh Billy for calling in.
Let's go to uh let's see who's gonna uh Phil.
Phil from Dayton, Ohio.
Dr. Williams.
Yes thanks for having me on.
Say, uh you mentioned something earlier uh about how corporations don't pay taxes uh but rather consumers and and uh stockholders pay taxes.
Yeah, it's uh it's it's uh it's an issue in economics.
It's called the I totally understand it and I can agree with you.
But what I would like to what I would like to point out is nobody says the plain fact of that little bit of information, and that is the government lies to us every day.
Every politician that opens his mouth and says we gotta tax the big corporation and make them pay their fair share is lying through his teeth because he knows that the consumer is the one that's gonna all over the world.
Well, see but a lot of people go for this.
They say, Oh, they oh he oh, isn't he a wonderful politician he's he's not gonna tax me, he's gonna tax corporations.
Totally understood, and I know I I know why politically it sells, but that's why I think rather than just you know saying just tell it what it is, they're lying to you.
Well I would like to hear more of that.
Well and you mentioned that a key component of personal liberty is limited government.
And I would submit that a more important key component of personal liberty is personal responsibility.
Well, that's right, because when when people can't take care of themselves or they are not willing to take care of themselves, they ask for government to come along, and and when government comes along, it means fewer freedoms.
So we could limit government all we want, but until people get it through their heads that they're responsible for their own conditions and it's not the other way around, then you know the government will just continue to grow.
That that's absolutely right.
And matter of fact, when people say uh this whole issue about the incidence of taxes, and I always point out that it's only people who pay taxes, not legal fictions such as corporations.
I say, well, what would you say to a politician?
He comes up to you and says, Well, uh Mike, I'm uh I'm sorry, Phil, I'm not going to tax you.
I'm just going to tax your land.
Well, you'll you'll say, Well, my land doesn't pay taxes.
See, land only people pay taxes, the person who owns the land.
And so people would uh they would be alert to a politician running that kind of trick on them, but they're not alert to politicians uh saying, Oh, we're gonna take corporate profits or we're gonna tax corporations.
And uh for unfortunately Americans fall for that, and I uh but not just Americans, I think people all over the world.
They say, let's get big business.
Uh and because if we tax big business, there'll be more money for government to have more money to give us, and we won't have to shell any money out of our pocket, and they're just not really seeing the light of the day.
But thanks a lot for calling in, and we'll take some of your calls after this.
Walter E. Williams back again, uh pushing back the frontiers of ignorance while Rush is on vacation.
Hey, look, folks, uh getting back to the environmental issue.
Uh global warming uh has become a big ticket item in the eyes of the uh of its supporters at at uh stake are uh it's a lot of goodies.
For example, uh Congress is plans to spend six point seven billion dollars in the name of global warming uh that will be spent in various politicians' home districts.
Uh for example, uh and both sides of the aisle are in on this.
Um Dan Hobson, uh Republican from uh Ohio, uh he secured five hundred thousand dollars for a geothermal demonstration project uh in his district.
Um uh Congressman Shift uh from Burbank, Democrat from Burbank.
Uh he got five hundred thousand dollars for a fuel cell research uh in in his district.
Now you have uh uh you know global warming can justify almost anything, and this is why the people who uh are involved in the global warming hysteria, this is why they attack anybody who is a skeptic.
They call they call them deniers, you know, to kind of put them in in the uh same bailiwick with uh uh Holocaust deniers.
Uh for example, uh uh Congressman Dingle, uh he says that he wants to uh repeal the the mortgage uh deduction, the tax, you know, the mortgage tax uh uh deduction uh on your mortgages, if your house is over three thousand square feet, he's introducing a bill.
Say if your house is is uh more than three thousand feet, he calls them McMansions.
Uh we're going to disallow uh your mortgage tax uh deduction.
They the he wants to put a fifty cent uh uh tax on gasoline.
Look, with global warming, these politicians can do anything control our lives.
For example, I believe it's Holland.
I could be wrong, but it's one of those countries in the neighborhood.
They say if you're gonna have to if you have a barbecue, you have to get a barbecue permit, and it costs you uh, I don't know, I think like five or ten dollars to have a barbecue because you're emitting uh uh pollutants in the air.
Look, folks, first of all, uh increasing scientific evidence is uh is i emerging saying that this global warming stuff is all a hoax.
It's no I mean, of course, yeah, the climate has uh changed uh this century, but the man-made causes of global warming is uh they're highly overstated.
I think that one scientist says that we could emit five times the amount of carbon uh carbon dioxide in the air, and it would not be uh very significant.
That is mankind, uh, because mankind just does not have that much influence over the basic parameters of the earth.
And uh and then going kind of going back to this whole energy uh stuff, there's something I collected because I know it would I knew it would come up to uh uh today on the show, but we have a whole lot of energy in our country.
Uh that is, if the government get out of the way.
It turns out that between Utah, Colorado, and Wyoming, there's enough shale oil there.
The Department of Energy estimates that there's enough shale oil there, I think they they say it's one and a half trillion barrels there to provide gasoline for our nation for the next five hundred years.
And uh scientists working at various private labs, they have found ways to heat the rock so that the shale oil is recoverable, and they guess that if the oil prices remain above thirty dollars a barrel, uh that it will be a profitable undertaking.
So all these people creating fear in our country, the reason why they want to create fear is so that politicians will get more power over our lives, and I don't want you people to fall for it.
Let's go to the phones.
Let's go to uh Mike in Baldwin, Michigan.
Welcome to the show.
Glad to be on.
Uh thank you.
Um Dr. Williams like to present a different uh perspective on your uh blaming cafe standards for the uh 2,000 plus extra depths of small cars.
Uh you know, I I read the paper and I see these accidents, and let me tell you who initiates the cause of these accidents.
It's drunken drivers and big gas puzzling cars that can't control their cars across the center line.
It's the courts that let these people continually drive their gas guzzling uncontrollable cars that cross the center line.
Generally people in small cars are a little bit educated.
They get better gas mileage, they stay on their side of the road, they're more careful, and if you're well, wait, wait, wait a minute.
Wait a minute, wait a way a minute.
Now you can't call this show and try to trick us with that.
So you're saying that all these deaths from accidents come from drunk drivers and people with big cars, and the little teeny cars are not in the accidents at all.
No, I'm talking about who initiates these accidents.
And all you have to do is read the paper and and see who who crosses the center line.
Who's driving like a maniac?
Um, if we were all driving small cars with very little inertia, the severity of accidents would be a lot less.
So what are you proposing?
I'm proposing cafe standards for trucks.
Uh I'm proposing the courts uh get down on people who cause accidents.
Wait, wait, wait.
Now I'm yeah, I'm gonna tell the audience.
I I I thank you for calling in, but I'm gonna tell the Rush listeners that you are just calling in.
You're just uh playing a prank on us today, aren't you?
I I believe I'm making quite a lot of sense.
Uh uh trucks would be allowed later.
Okay.
Look at who calls the colour.
Okay, sh okay, wait, should the cafe standards be uh applied to military vehicles.
If if they run faster, if if the severity of accidents is less, if they can get to where they're going faster and use less fuel, I'm all for it.
And so so uh so what you what would you do with the um uh the Abrams tank.
Uh I'm I'm here to talk about accidents in the United States right now.
If you want to change something, no, but I I uh I don't see any cancel the road, I'm sorry.
Okay, well, thank you for calling in.
We had to take a break and we'll be back with more of your calls after this.
Walter Williams, uh uh I was trying to maintain a very serious show until that last call, but so uh uh let me just uh continue in his spirit.
Uh I I was looking at a cartoon a couple days ago and it reported that uh that uh Lana uh Falcon's uh quarterback uh Michael Vict, he's going to uh have a plea bargain.
And the reason and the cartoon it was showing that why he's going to uh settle for the uh prosecutor's plea bargain, and it was like a picture, and it showed in the jury box all dogs.
And I thought that might explain why he was going for plea bargain.
Let's go to the phone, let's go to Ross in uh Carlsbad, New Mexico.
Excuse me, I'm sorry.
Thank you, Dr. Williams.
Your last caller's comments are just ludicrous.
Um he wants to stereotype all drivers of large cars, even had the gall to call them uneducated, and and the the source of not only pollution but accidents.
And I'd like to reference a recent arrest of none other than Al Gore's own son in California driving a friendly car, a Toyota Prius at speeds over 100 miles an hour.
When they arrested this fine young man, he had illegal drugs in his possession.
Uh clearly an educated person, uh a friend of the environment, as we know the rest of us is our haters of the environment.
And and uh it's just ludicrous that that man's comments underscore the elitist attitude of the liberal left.
It just drives me crazy.
Oh, that's that's absolutely right.
And uh and I just l kind of let them go on uh just to demonstrate to the uh audience uh the elitists uh left and their and their vision of the rest of us.
Now it's my vision that people ought to be able to buy be able to buy any car that they want, and that uh and some people with large families, they need uh uh they need a station wagon, they need a SUV.
Now this guy who called in, he would want a maybe a mother uh who with five or six kids uh to have two or three uh Prius.
I mean she couldn't take them all to g uh out at once.
And uh uh and people I think that people ought to be free to choose.
That's what this nation is about.
That is free to choose and and not have people interfere with peaceable voluntary exchange.
That is the only role for government, in my opinion, is to prevent fraud, to prevent violence, uh, when a person has not initiated violence, and to otherwise protect us.
But see, government is failing, at particularly at local level, of doing its basic functions.
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