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	Thanks, Johnny Donovan.
	Nice being with you here on the Rush Limbaugh program.
	Russia'll be back tomorrow.
	We have uh a guest that we've uh enjoyed in the past here together, Frank Gaffney Jr., founder, president of the Center for Security Policy, author of War Footing, Ten Steps America Must Take to Prevail in the War for the Free World.
	He has a film that he helped produce that is called Islam versus Islamists Voices from the Muslim Center, but it's really being called now the film PBS didn't want you to see.
	Isn't that uh interesting?
	Uh they have apparently they, Frank and his team of uh fellow producers, have rented out a theater.
	I think they're showing the film in Washington, D.C. tonight to the media and to uh people uh in Congress.
	I I believe that's tonight, but we'll find out for sure, uh, because we're going to speak with Frank about Islam versus Islamists and more importantly, why we're not being allowed to see this film.
	It's supposed to be about moderate Muslims, uh uh uh moderate American Muslims, and we're supposed to be talking about them and understanding.
	These moderate American Muslims are threatened by their more radical brethren.
	And uh I think it'd be an interesting uh story to see.
	We'll talk about it.
	It was supposed to be a part of a series on PBS that I I I presume is on right now, a week-long series called the Muslim Americans, which was examining reactions among Muslims who have faced discrimination, racial profiling at airports, and FBI scrutiny of their communities.
	This is uh in conjunction with PBS's The News Hour with Jim Lehrer.
	So we'll get Mr. Gaffney's take on this and his plans for the film, the so-called film PBS Doesn't Want You To See, coming up here in just a moment.
	I am coming to you from the Midwest campus of the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies, where there is never a final exam, but we are tested every day.
	Paul W. Smith from Detroit, Michigan, Motown, the Motor City, yes, still the motor city, even if the first part of this year, Toyota has sold more cars than GM.
	We knew that was coming sooner or later.
	This is the home of the growing life sciences corridor and the largest supply of fresh water in the world.
	Rising gas prices being blamed for a drop in consumer confidence, the conference board saying its index fell more than four points since March.
	Also, we're hearing that uh a real estate group uh saying March sales of existing homes plunged by the largest amount in eighteen years, thanks to bad weather and mortgage problems.
	President Bush obviously disappointed the Democratic leadership continues to push for a timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq.
	It's just it goes on and on and on.
	He'll veto it, and that's just the way it is at the moment.
	House committee looking into the way the government portrayed the friendly fire death of Pat Tillman in Afghanistan and the rescue of former Army private Jessica Lynch, our tax dollars at work.
	I think we have a lot of very important things to take a good look at.
	Certainly nothing more important to the Tillman family.
	But I don't know about this whole uh drama that was uh drummed up that the media certainly had to uh have a uh a bit of responsibility for on the Jessica Lynch story.
	Regardless of what they were originally told by the government and whether the government really knew what they were saying or not saying about how she was a hero and all of that.
	And uh meanwhile, doctors do say that uh the vice president's blood clot is improving.
	You'll know uh through news that uh Vice President Cheney had a doctor's visit this morning, previously on schedule, they said, but that he went to the doctor and came back just fine uh so far.
	Meanwhile, you think about things.
	Oh, the John Edwards thing, the haircut.
	I can't believe people didn't get this.
	Uh uh here you have this uh once again presidential uh candidate uh contender uh John Edwards with his four hundred dollar haircuts and barbers and hair stylists all around the country were scratching their heads, they're nicely uh uh quaffed haircuts, and saying I we can't figure out how you get to a four hundred dollar price tag at a barbershop or uh at a hairstylist.
	Waxing.
	I thought this was obvious.
	Waxing.
	John Edwards.
	No, d uh no, seriously.
	Uh next time you see him, look uh very closely at his his eyebrows.
	Meanwhile, uh things that stick with you, boy, the the video that's out there that if you haven't seen it yet, you will later of a four-year-old boy on the side of a football field who was uh inadvertently just smashed during a game.
	And you see these videos, and and for those of us who have children uh and I and I have a four year old, I have a fourteen year old Adam, and then a four year old Sophie.
	You you think of your own child out there, and it just it hurts even more.
	And uh you see the video and you don't know what the rest of the story was or how it ended up.
	Let me just explain what happened.
	It was a spring, you know, people were saying, I even saw them say it, I think on CNN.
	Why would they let their child out there in the field?
	Well, of course, that's going to be said and should be.
	But they were there because it was a spring youth football festival at Colorado State over the weekend, and little four year old Caden Thomas was wandering along the sidelines with his father, who's actually at the end of the end zone during the team's inter squad game, and wide receiver George Hill going after a touchdown pass, didn't see the boy.
	He's watching the ball, obviously.
	He's doing what he's supposed to do.
	He crashes into this little boy, and the whole thing is on video.
	And it is so scary.
	I mean scary.
	But what you saw right away was incredible compassion and concern from this rough, tough football player who immediately scooped up the little baby, the four year old boy, and held him up.
	And unbelievably the trainer and team doctor were there, and the and young Caden's father were there to hold him and and George Hill, the football player is waiting nearby, worried about the little boy.
	He was bleeding profusely from a deep cut on his head, but he was conscious, his neurological exams normal.
	He was upset because he figured that a hit like that was probably going to require a trip to the hospital, his dad said, and he wasn't too excited about that prospect.
	He bounced back quickly, what a blessing.
	The next day, that little boy that you'll see repeatedly on the video tape, little four year old Caden got a call from Colorado coach Sonny Lubick.
	He got a football signed by the team, and little Caden said it was kind of scary because I got bonked by the football as he sat there hugging his own football, and he said it kind of hurted.
	End of quote.
	You watch that video and you'll see one tough little kid making it through that how bad it could have been by just an inch or two in that hit.
	He uh he that's exactly right uh as uh Mike Maimon just said into my uh headphones.
	Well, part of what he said, it it was a good thing it wasn't a pro game because he might have been spiked in the end zone, that little four year old.
	Well, it was you can joke about it now because he's okay, but it didn't look good.
	That is a piece of video that will be replayed in my uh mind, but I want you to the most imp one of the most important things is take a look at the immediate compassion and concern from the football player to the trainer to the doctor to everybody.
	It was uh it was heartwarming and it worked thirty stitches later, it worked, and Caden Thomas, at the age of four, will have his first college football war story to share with anyone who want to hear it the rest of his life.
	Uh thanks to our executive producer, Cookie Gleason, Chief of Staff HR, Kit Carson and our engineer Mike Maimon on this your favorite radio station, and I know it's most favorite when Rush is here.
	And he isn't, but he will be.
	He'll be back with us tomorrow.
	We try to carry on best we can with some of the stories that we think uh will catch your attention.
	We have always enjoyed spending time with Frank Gaffney Jr., the uh founder and president of the Center for Security Policy author of Warfooting Ten Steps America Must Take to Prevail in the War for the Free World.
	He was a coexecutive producer of a documentary about moderate Muslims that was initially approved by PBS, but has been spiked.
	Now he is going to try to show this to some members of Congress, I think, tomorrow night.
	And I think today he's renting out a theater in Washington, D.C., but instead of wondering about all these things, we're going to speak directly with him and find out what Islam versus Islamists voices from the Muslim Center contains that PBS doesn't want us to know about.
	We'll do that up next here on the Rush Limbaugh program.
	I'm Paul W. Smith.
	It's the Rush Limbaugh program, 1-800-282-2882, 1-800-282-2882, or Rush Limbaugh.com.
	And we do have Frank Dafney here.
	Last time we spoke with uh Frank, the founder and president of the Center for Security Policy in Washington, the Center's a not-for-profit, nonpartisan educational corporation established in 1988 and under Frank Daphne's leadership, the center has been nationally and internationally recognized as a resource for timely informed and penetrating analysis of foreign and defense policy matters.
	We last time we talked with him, as I mentioned, was the uh as the lead author of War Footing, Ten Steps America Must Take to Prevail in the War for the Free World.
	You read him in Townhall.com, a weekly column, the Washington Times, Jewish WorldReview.com, and on and on and on.
	And uh and he's on the line now as a uh as a producer of a television show that apparently uh PBS does not want us to see.
	Uh it's nice to have you with us again, Frank.
	Oh, it's great to be with you, Paul.
	Thanks so much for having me on.
	I am I'm a bit perplexed.
	As I understand it, you got the go ahead to do this film, this television special to fit in with what they were supposed to be doing at PBS.
	You got the funding, uh it was approved and funded by the corporation for public broadcasting, but turned down by PBS.
	So CPB, Corporation for Public Broadcasting, funded it, approved it, PBS, the network that decides uh what eventually goes on the air, uh, said no, or or at least for now they're keeping your program off the air.
	That's basically it.
	Uh this is awfully confusing to people who are just taxpayers.
	Um, but your tax money was handed out um about twenty million dollars of it by this organization that Congress set up for the purpose called the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, or CPB, to create a I think a a great idea,
	a series of programs uh entitled America at the Crossroads, at a Crossroads, excuse me, whose purpose was to bring different vantage points and and perspectives to bear on um the most important issues of our time in the post-9-11 world.
	Um the idea was always to have these films, you know, um uh by a rigorous competition winnowed down, they they ultimately had 440 proposals uh that were offered for films.
	They winnowed it down to twenty.
	I'm very proud to say that the the little film company that uh that I put I'm participating in, ABG Films, um, had its proposal accepted and and then funded for research and development, and then ultimately to make a production of of this film, Islam versus Islamists, voices from the Muslim Center.
	Unfortunately, um along the trail, the film was turned over to the public broadcasting service, PBS, and uh one of its flagships here in Washington, WETA, who took a very dim view of me personally,
	uh, I must say, and of the film, uh almost from the get-go, and uh they tried blacklisting me, um, and then they tried uh to neuter the film uh in a succession of uh rather pointed editorial comments whose whose bottom line,
	pretty much, Paul, I have to tell you was uh you're being too unfair to the Islamists When you tell the story of the people that they are um suppressing, they are ostracizing, they are blackmailing, they are coercing, they are in some places trying to kill.
	And we thought, you know, we think we're doing this about right.
	We think that we're telling in a in a informed and compelling way the story of these anti-Islamis Muslims, moderate Muslims, if you will, but not just moderate, they're people who have the courage to stand up to these Islamo fascists.
	And that's the story we want to tell.
	And and the kinds of changes that PBS has been insisting upon are simply not compatible with the story that we think not only we should tell, but that absolutely needs to be told to the American people.
	Well, certainly uh PBS has aired far more controversial material than what was contained in your documentary, or or at least I would presume so, and they say, giving their side of the story, uh, that uh it doesn't, I guess, rise to the standards necessary for airing on PBS, and that they have provided you with notes that are to uh well intended to improve the final product, and then they claim after a recut of the film they can then send it out to affiliates for broadcast at a later date.
	What kinds of changes are they asking for, and are you absolutely against them, and would it change the meaning of what you're trying to get across, Frank?
	This is a subject for a very long conversation, but I'll try to be brief.
	Um from early on, it was clear that the kinds of suggestions that were being offered were not editorial, you know, uh you ought to have this in a different light or at a different spot in the series uh in the in the program.
	They went after what they called the structure and the context of the film.
	By which when you looked at the specific suggestions that were being made, it it really came down to um treating in a more favorable light um a number of imams and uh others who were, you know, quite vociferous in their criticism of these anti-Islamist Muslims,
	and in the process, um, presumably casting in a somewhat less favorable light, the anti-Islamist Muslims themselves, the heroes of our peace, the truly courageous, remarkable people whose stories we're trying to tell.
	And as you say, Paul, uh you know, PBS runs more uh outrageous or at least controversial films like this all the time.
	Um and indeed one that appeared in this series, this crossroads series instead of our film.
	It didn't go through the competition, by the way.
	It was a sweetheart deal that was given to the host of the show, Robert McNeil.
	It was not only um more controversial, I think, uh it was an Islamist propaganda fest.
	It actually told this story in a very uneven way, but in uh uneven in favor of those who are sympathetic to the Islamists as opposed to we who are sympathetic to and trying to tell the stories of the anti-Islamists.
	So here's the point.
	I don't believe for a minute that our film doesn't pass the guidelines or standards of PBS such as they are.
	I think our film was politically incorrect as far as PBS was concerned, and they were not going to let it be seen, and I think they still are not going to let it be seen, but I suggest we let the American people see it in some other way.
	Let the corporation for public broadcasting, which invested six hundred and seventy-five thousand dollars or so in this film, make it available to other people who do want the public to see this story Islam versus Islamists, and and we could really use your help in getting that done because CPB at the moment does not want that to happen.
	Well, i here you are.
	Uh you're talking to the largest uh radio audience in history, the Rush Limbaugh program uh on folks' favorite radio station, tuned in.
	They are disappointed that Rush is not here.
	I am too.
	But I'm glad I'm here with you and that we're able to go over some of these things, Frank, because you're always interesting and very helpful.
	It has come down to uh I guess the ultimate question that it seems uh easily answered that that your film at this moment appears to be left out uh for uh political reasons.
	Maybe even uh maybe a personal vendetta, who knows?
	I'm not that familiar with your relationship with the people you're dealing with there at PBS.
	What we do know is one arm of public broadcasting said yes, the corporation for public broadcasting, the other arm, PBS, said no.
	And uh and and it is I forgot this in thinking about it.
	It's our money.
	It is we're paying for this.
	That's right.
	But you you want to get this film i in front of our listeners.
	You want to get this film in front of uh members of Congress, and I understand that you're working on that.
	When we come back, we'll find out exactly what you already have planned and what you think you'd like to do that you say maybe we can help you do, uh, because I suspect that there are a lot of people listening right now who would also like to see this whole idea of uh Islam versus Islamists, or I say Islamists, uh which document documents uh moderate American Muslims.
	Coming up.
	Thanks, Johnny Donovan.
	Nice to be with you, and uh we'll we'll open those phone lines too.
	You always uh have a thing or two that you want to say, maybe some insight that could be useful here.
	Suggestions too at 1800-282-2882.
	1800-282-2882.
	Also rushlimbaugh.com, a good place to uh check in every day uh on that website because there is so much going on there all the time you want to stay on top of.
	Islam versus Islamists voices from the Muslim Center, and uh Frank Affney is with us, one of the producers of this film that was uh approved and funded by the corporation for public broadcasting, and then uh the Kabash put on it by PBS.
	Uh and because they're the ones who decide uh in the end what goes on the air.
	Now they say that if they will make the changes that have been suggested, the notes that were given to Frank, uh they will then send it out at a later date with some other films that apparently did not make this series that it was supposed to originally uh be a part of.
	Now uh that that's the series called The Muslim Americans.
	Is that running now on PBS?
	No, uh Muslims in America, I think was the film that uh I was talking about earlier, Robert McNeil uh produced as one of the elements of the series at a crossroads, correct.
	Okay, uh America at a time.
	And it ran last week.
	Uh to horrible reviews, by the way.
	The New York Times absolutely trashed it, and I gather it got uh poor ratings from the public as well.
	And you know, that's a good thing.
	But the trouble here is that what we're seeing as a result of what uh Congressman Jim Walsh, who by the way happens to be the ranking Republican on the appropriations committee that over subcommittee that oversees all of these budgets.
	He called it censorship, what they're doing to our film, and I think he's right.
	But what's happening as a result of it, whatever the motivations are, what is happening is PBS is joining the Islamists in suppressing the voices from the Muslim center.
	And as a result, if this isn't turned around, and I'm hoping it will, and and I think your audience could be hugely helpful in doing that in two ways which I'll come to in a minute.
	But if it isn't turned around, what will be unquestionably the case is that is that PBS is becoming an engine of uh not only uh suppression of the voices of people that we all want to hear from.
	You know, we're asking ourselves all the time, I'm sure, where are the moderate Muslims?
	That we're told they're out there, why why don't we hear more from them?
	This film Islamist Islam versus Islamists helps explain that.
	But secondly, we're putting ourselves in a position where PBS is actually promoting the line of the people who are I think basically um a raid against us, against Western civilization, against this freedom loving societies,
	and in favor of creating these parallel societies within uh democracies that are going to subvert them and impose sharia, this religious code, and otherwise bring about the Islamo fascist agenda worldwide.
	It sounds it sounds unbelievable, but unless you hear these Muslims themselves describing this danger, describing what's happening to them in very compelling ways, and and warning us of what is afoot for the rest of us.
	You will not understand the true gravity of our situation, and I think we may well not take the steps we need to take in our own defense.
	Is so in that case what they're saying to you in uh uh if you if you could share some of your notes, do they ever get specific and say this is inflammatory, this isn't going to help, this isn't what we were planning on For America at the crossword roads uh make these changes and we'll send it out.
	Uh have you made the decision, Frank.
	You're definitely not going to make any changes.
	That's the the line has been drawn in the sand, and that's that.
	Let me put it this way, Paul.
	We we agreed to make a number of changes.
	You know, they worried that the the the uh the narration was overblown.
	And we worked hard to have it be basically just the facts, ma'am.
	They complained that the the music was too hot.
	So we toned it down.
	What we drew the line at was not constructive editorial comments and suggestions.
	It was where they intend insisted that the story itself be changed.
	That we promote in effect, uh in the interest of of what Robin McNeil has called uh fairness.
	He says our film is unfair or or uh uh highly one-sided.
	In the interest of the wrong thing.
	No, there's certainly never there's certainly never been anything.
	There's certainly been never before on PBS has there ever been anything that's been one-sided or unfair to someone.
	Well, it turns out that it's it's unacceptable if people do it from a pro-American uh pro-freedom point of view.
	It's not it's not nothing is is one-sided if it's from a pro-Islamist or anti-American point of view, and that's really the rub.
	And why we think this is such an important fight is not just about this film or even just about these anti-Islamis Muslims who are trying to be heard.
	It's about the public airwaves.
	And as you said earlier, Paul, your tax dollars, is this any way you want to see them s expended or used?
	I think not.
	And that's why we're confident that if I max makes two suggestions that this audience come in force uh with this corporation for public broadcasting.
	Call them at 202-879-9600.
	They'll give you some, you know, recorded message now, I guess, but at least let your voices be heard that you want to see Islam versus Islamists made available for the public to judge for themselves.
	And secondly, call your member of Congress at 202 um uh what is it, uh 202-225-3121, and encourage them to go see the film, which is going to be shown in the House uh Rayburn office building tomorrow night at 6 30.
	Let them see it for themselves and help you see it for yourself.
	All right.
	Uh and uh let's uh let's find out also what uh our listeners feel about this.
	They have a thought or two here on the Rush Limbaugh program, always willing to express themselves at 1-800-282-2882, 1-800-282-2882.
	And Frank, don't leave without me asking you a couple of thoughts.
	One, the uh the uh the president facing uh Congress down now with the date certain to leave Iraq.
	Here we go again, and uh maybe a thought or two on the the race for president, the the the two thousand eight field from from your vantage point.
	But let's go to Dean in Fillmore Vermont.
	Dean, you're on the Rush Limbaugh program, and we've got Frank Gaffney Jr. with us.
	Yes, thank you, Mr. Smith.
	Appreciate your time.
	Uh as I listened to Mr. Gaffney, uh it sounds a little familiar.
	Recently, uh a notable uh producer, I believe it's Helen Whitney, produced a special about the Mormons uh to help people understand the vast majority of a faith and uh things that are important to them, and she encountered the very same process where they began uh interfering with the content of what she had done.
	They made recommendations that really threw the weight around in a way that didn't accurately portray what uh Miss Whitney was attempting to present to the public.
	And it wasn't a case of uh propaganda, it was simply the shining of light onto a faith so that people outside of that faith could get a a respect for what those people believe.
	And it sounds an awful lot like what Mr. Gaffney has attempting to do, simply shining the light and exposing what the true meat of a religion is and the people of that religion is, and uh are meeting resistance from from a public uh television broadcasting system.
	And it's a little disconcerting.
	Well, I I can't speak to the other filmmakers' experience.
	Um all I can say is that uh the most important message if I could impart one to Rush Limbaugh's audience is this.
	Don't take my word for it about what is going on inside the Muslim faith at the moment or or what the implications are of the trajectory that it's on.
	Listen to these these, as I say, brave souls who are coming forward to to try to both rescue their religion from the Islamo fascists and help preserve this freedom loving societies of the West, not just America by the way.
	And there may be others who are having a similar experience with other uh films or other um religions, but I I can tell you based on my first hand experience, this is a message that the PBS system is simply not going to let you see and we need to find other ways to make sure you do.
	Well it'll be very interesting to see uh if in fact we're given that opportunity you have the power of this audience at least inquiring and asking why they're not being able to see it.
	We have people uh standing by to ask questions and we'll get to each and every one of you here on the Rush Limbaugh at one eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two with our guest Frank J. Gaffney Junior he is the founder and president of the Center for Security Policy in Washington DC and producer of a film called Islam versus Islamists voices from the Muslim Center.
	The PBS at least at this point doesn't want you to see.
	We continue on the Rush Limbaugh program.
	I'm Paul W. Smith.
	Paul W in for Rush uh poll out today more than seventy percent of Egyptians, Pakistanis, Indonesians, Moroccans believe the United States is trying to weaken and divide the Islamic world in this poll.
	The survey for world public opinion dot org more than forty percent thought that uh that was the primary goal of the US led war on terrorism, while only twelve percent believed Washington's aim was to protect the United States from attack.
	People in the Islamic world clearly perceive the US as being at war with Islam.
	Thirty percent approved of attacks on US military in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Gulf, but sixty percent said suicide bombings were never justified and sixty seven percent believed Islam was opposed to attacks against civilians.
	And now your moderate Muslims, Islam versus Islamists, voices from the Muslim Center in the United States, a film that you feel Frank Gaffney Jr. must be seen there from your Center for Security Policy.
	And uh and we're hearing from our listeners what they think at 1800 two eight two eight eight two.
	One eight hundred two eight two twenty eight eighty two Dave is in Boston and on the Rush Limbaugh program.
	Dave Thank you thank you very much and Frank as well uh I think PBS is capitulating for mil militant Islamic fascist uh you know uh the they they uh rule their people through fear and that's why we're only hearing from them.
	You know it's i you know the heart of the Islamic people that are around the most prevalent actions of Islam this day are not really able to speak their heart for the fear of having their heads fully sought off.
	There's no way they can speak their purple fingered heart at this time.
	CNN takes a poll in Iraq at most polls are misinformational.
	I bel I I call them chicken little news.
	Um and um it it but the people in this country that have seen a little bit more of freedom and people that you're telling that you're not going to go back to the mosque and tell the radicals that what you said you're gonna get a little bit more of a an honest opinion out of America.
	You know and um uh you know PBS is it's just they're doing the same thing they've always done.
	You know it's it's unfortunate that's so so let me ask you let me ask you before we be we hear from our guest Frank Gaffney, Dave, uh how far would you be willing to push and to go to support courageous Muslims in the United States, Canada, Western Europe, who are challenging the power structure who are going after Islamo fascism.
	Well I'm you know print invisible media do not exemplify what is already going on.
	You know um and and so people don't uh don't know what to do.
	I mean in Harvard Square we have someone who's speaking um you know who shouldn't really not have been allowed to speak I I believe you know for this country for for the support of terrorism and and uh the Hezbollah um you know it just uh I I I don't know.
	It I go as far you know we need to exemplify what uh the expatriates uh of Iran are saying, uh the students, the former students in Iran are saying about Iran.
	You know, they they come out and they say, oh, sixty-two point seven percent are gonna show up in the in this election, so-called election.
	Then the day after they say, Look, sixty-two point seven percent showed up, right?
	But when you talk to people through the internet in Iran, the truth is that only ten percent showed up.
	There's just a bunch of, you know, they they don't care about their people.
	The nukes uh we know I I feel they're about nuclear weapons and not nuclear power because well, in Iran do they have they have like a half of a refinery.
	Do they care about their people and do they have to import gas?
	No, they don't care about their people.
	I the reality is they they are heading in the direction that we think they are, you know, I I believe.
	You know, and I don't I look hard to send the people.
	I really, you know, uh unlike Democrats uh or people in Harvard Square saying this is how it is, you know, these these uh impeach people.
	You know, when you have comprehensive information that you get through radio, it's you know talk is news and news is talk.
	I mean, uh I laugh, but I I can't uh go one minute without laughing at any of the network news uh that replicates CNN or any of the print uh uh news that uh replicates the New York Times.
	What do they have on the front page of uh when of the New York Times above the fold when when uh Saddam was executed by his people, by his people, lefties, okay?
	All right.
	What do they have?
	You know what they had, right?
	They had pictures of Saddam uh uh loyalists, baths and Sunnis praying over his body.
	They should have black dot headlines for three weeks above the fold, exemplifying what Saddam had done to his people.
	Right, David, and you're right, and uh he somehow being treated poorly just before they hanged him uh turned him into a martyr for some in the press, but not for most, as uh we uh uh check in here with uh do we have time?
	Do we have time to go to Bob in Portland, Oregon.
	Bob, you're on the rush rush uh limbaugh program.
	I'm Paul W. Smith, and Frank Gaffney's here too, Bob.
	Thank you very much.
	I was just listening to your commentary about the PBS series, America at the Crossroads.
	And I actually thought it was a very good series.
	Um I'm surprised that the ratings weren't good, although it's more like a news commentary and people get bored by the news pretty fast.
	I don't know.
	Did our did Frank did you say it wasn't a good series?
	Because I think uh Bob Bob, what he's hoping is, or what he's saying, I think, is he thinks it would have been better if his film were allowed to run like it was supposed to.
	And and you can't blame him, you can't blame him for feeling that way.
	I I just wonder I can't imagine PBS doing that because they um I I think uh moderate I think Islam mu Muslims that would say something against these people would have a platform here uh any time.
	And I'm always been complaining since this war started that they aren't saying anything.
	They don't stand up and scream and yell their heads off about what these people are doing to their religion.
	They're screwing it up.
	And you know, these the the right and left are the same.
	That's it, you know, that's an that is an excellent point, Bob.
	And let's just stick with that simple point, because a lot of us have felt that.
	Where are the moderate Muslims?
	Why aren't they standing up and screaming?
	We'll see if Frank's film answered that and that PBS didn't like the answer in just a moment as we continue on the Rush Limbaugh program.
	All right, no time left, Frank, and the answer to the question.
	What where are the moderates and wouldn't the institutional media flock to moderate Islamists to have their story be told?
	You'd think so.
	Uh the public broadcasting service, which uh runs the public television airwaves, is not apparently of that view.
	I think others would be, and that's one of the reasons why we're hoping people will help us break this film loose so that it can be seen by the American people on other networks if not on PBS.
	But the imp answer to the question very simply is this.
	There are these anti-Islamist Muslims who are trying desperately to be heard, and if they are heard, I think there will be a lot more courageous, moderate Muslims standing up to the Islamists, and frankly, we need their help desperately.
	So we should be doing everything we can to help amplify these voices, not suppress them.
	Well, what PBS is doing is just outrageous.
	All right, and what you're doing is what I would expect of you, Frank J. Gaffney Jr., President of the Center for Security Policy.
	Always a pleasure talking to you.
	Next time we'll get into those other questions I had for you, and we'll keep an eye out for the film, Islam versus Islamists voices from the Muslim Center.
	As we continue right here on your favorite radio station, the Rush Limbaugh program.

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