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	Thanks, Johnny Donovan.
	Nice being with you here on the Rush Limbaugh program.
	Rush will be back tomorrow.
	We have a guest that we've enjoyed in the past here together, Frank Gaffney Jr., founder, president of the Center for Security Policy, author of Warfooting, Ten Steps America Must Take to Prevail in the War for the Free World.
	He has a film that he helped produce that is called Islam versus Islamists, Voices from the Muslim Center, but it's really being called now the film PBS didn't want you to see.
	Isn't that interesting?
	They have apparently, they, Frank, and his team of fellow producers, have rented out a theater.
	I think they're showing the film in Washington, D.C. tonight to the media and to people in Congress.
	I believe that's tonight, but we'll find out for sure because we're going to speak with Frank about Islam versus Islamists and more importantly, why we're not being allowed to see this film.
	It's supposed to be about moderate Muslims, moderate American Muslims, and we're supposed to be talking about them and understanding.
	These moderate American Muslims are threatened by their more radical brethren.
	And I think it'd be an interesting story to see.
	We'll talk about it.
	It was supposed to be a part of a series on PBS that I presume is on right now, a week-long series called The Muslim Americans, which was examining reactions among Muslims who have faced discrimination, racial profiling at airports, and FBI scrutiny of their communities.
	This is in conjunction with PBS's The News Hour with Jim Lehrer.
	So we'll get Mr. Gaffney's take on this and his plans for the film, the so-called film PBS Doesn't Want You to See, coming up here in just a moment.
	I am coming to you from the Midwest campus of the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies, where there is never a final exam, but we are tested every day.
	Paul W. Smith from Detroit, Michigan, Motown, the Motor City.
	Yes, still the Motor City, even if the first part of this year, Toyota has sold more cars than GM.
	We knew that was coming sooner or later.
	This is the home of the growing life sciences corridor and the largest supply of fresh water in the world.
	Rising gas prices being blamed for a drop in consumer confidence.
	The conference board saying its index fell more than four points since March.
	Also, we're hearing that a real estate group saying March sales of existing homes plunged by the largest amount in 18 years thanks to bad weather and mortgage problems.
	President Bush, obviously, disappointed.
	The Democratic leadership continues to push for a timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq.
	It's just, it goes on and on and on.
	He'll veto it, and that's just the way it is at the moment.
	House Committee, looking into the way the government portrayed the friendly fire death of Pat Tillman in Afghanistan and the rescue of former Army Private Jessica Lynch, our tax dollars at work.
	I think we have a lot of very important things to take a good look at.
	Certainly nothing more important to the Tillman family.
	But I don't know about this whole drama that was drummed up that the media certainly had to have a bit of responsibility for on the Jessica Lynch story.
	Regardless of what they were originally told by the government and whether the government really knew what they were saying or not saying about how she was a hero and all of that.
	And meanwhile, doctors do say that the Vice President's blood clot is improving.
	You'll know through news that Vice President Cheney had a doctor's visit this morning, previously unscheduled, they said, but that he went to the doctor and came back just fine so far.
	Meanwhile, you think about things.
	Oh, the John Edwards think the haircut.
	I can't believe people didn't get this.
	Here you have this, once again, presidential candidate contender, John Edwards, with his $400 haircuts, and barbers and hairstylists all around the country were scratching their heads.
	They're nicely quaffed to haircuts, and saying, We can't figure out how you get to a $400 price tag at a barbershop or at a hairstylist.
	Waxing.
	I thought this was obvious.
	Waxing.
	John Edwards.
	No, no, seriously.
	Next time you see him, look very closely at his eyebrows.
	Meanwhile, things that stick with you, boy, the video that's out there that if you haven't seen it yet, you will later of a four-year-old boy on the side of a football field who was inadvertently just smashed during a game.
	And you see these videos, and for those of us who have children, and I have a four-year-old, I have a 14-year-old Adam, and then a four-year-old, Sophie.
	You think of your own child out there, and it just hurts even more.
	And you see the video and you don't know what the rest of the story was or how it ended up.
	Let me just explain what happened.
	It was a spring, you know, people were saying, I even saw them say it, I think, on CNN.
	Why would they let their child out there in the field?
	Well, of course, that's going to be said and should be.
	But they were there because it was a spring youth football festival at Colorado State over the weekend.
	And little four-year-old Caden Thomas was wandering along the sidelines with his father.
	He's actually at the end of the end zone during the team's intra-squad game.
	And wide receiver George Hill, going after a touchdown pass, didn't see the boy.
	He's watching the ball, obviously.
	He's doing what he's supposed to do.
	He crashes into this little boy, and the whole thing is on video.
	And it is so scary.
	I mean, scary.
	But what you saw right away was incredible compassion and concern from this rough, tough football player who immediately scooped up the little baby, the four-year-old boy, and held him up.
	And unbelievably, the trainer and team doctor were there, and young Caden's father were there to hold him.
	And George Hill, the football player, is waiting nearby, worried about the little boy.
	He was bleeding profusely from a deep cut on his head, but he was conscious.
	His neurological exams were normal.
	He was upset because he figured that a hit like that was probably going to require a trip to the hospital, his dad said, and he wasn't too excited about that prospect.
	He bounced back quickly.
	What a blessing.
	The next day, that little boy that you'll see repeatedly on the videotape, little four-year-old Caden, got a call from Colorado coach Sonny Lubick.
	He got a football sign by the team, and little Caden said, It was kind of scary because I got bonked by the football as he sat there hugging his own football.
	And he said, it kind of hurted.
	End of quote.
	You watch that video, and you'll see one tough little kid making it through that.
	How bad it could have been by just an inch or two in that hit.
	That's exactly right, as Mike Maymone just said into my headphones.
	Well, part of what he said, it was a good thing it wasn't a pro game because he might have been spiked in the end zone, that little four-year-old.
	Well, it was, you can joke about it now because he's okay, but it didn't look good.
	That is a piece of video that will be replayed in my mind.
	But I want you to, one of the most important things is take a look at the immediate compassion and concern from the football player to the trainer to the doctor to everybody.
	It was heartwarming, and it worked.
	30 stitches later, it worked, and Caden Thomas, at the age of four, will have his first college football war story to share with anyone who wants to hear it the rest of his life.
	Thanks to our executive producer, Cookie Gleason, Chief of Staff HR Kit Carson, and our engineer, Mike Maymone, on this, your favorite radio station.
	And I know it's most favorite when Rush is here.
	And he isn't, but he will be.
	He'll be back with us tomorrow.
	We try to carry on best we can with some of the stories that we think will catch your attention.
	We have always enjoyed spending time with Frank Gaffney Jr., the founder and president of the Center for Security Policy, author of Warfooting, 10 Steps America Must Take to Prevail in the War for the Free World.
	He was a co-executive producer of a documentary about moderate Muslims that was initially approved by PBS, but has been spiked.
	Now, he is going to try to show this to some members of Congress, I think, tomorrow night.
	And I think today he's renting out a theater in Washington, D.C.
	But instead of wondering about all these things, we're going to speak directly with him and find out what Islam versus Islamists voices from the Muslim Center contains that PBS doesn't want us to know about.
	We'll do that up next here on the Rush Limbaugh program.
	I'm Paul W. Smith.
	It's the Rush Limbaugh program, 1-800-282-2882, 1-800-282-2882, or rushlimbaugh.com.
	And we do have Frank Gaffney here.
	Last time we spoke with Frank, the founder and president of the Center for Security Policy in Washington.
	The center is a not-for-profit, nonpartisan educational corporation established in 1988.
	And under Frank Gaffney's leadership, the center has been nationally and internationally recognized as a resource for timely, informed, and penetrating analysis of foreign and defense policy matters.
	Last time we talked with him, as I mentioned, was as the lead author of Warfooting, 10 Steps America Must Take to Prevail in the War for the Free World.
	You read him in townhall.com, a weekly column, The Washington Times, JewishWorldReview.com, and on and on and on.
	And he's on the line now as a producer of a television show that apparently PBS does not want us to see.
	It's nice to have you with us again, Frank.
	Oh, it's great to be with you, Paul.
	Thanks so much for having me on.
	I'm a bit perplexed.
	As I understand it, you got the go-ahead to do this film, this television special to fit in with what they were supposed to be doing at PBS.
	You got the funding.
	It was approved and funded by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, but turned down by PBS.
	So CPB, Corporation for Public Broadcasting, funded it, approved it.
	PBS, the network that decides what eventually goes on the air, said no, or at least for now they're keeping the program off the air.
	That's basically it.
	This is awfully confusing to people who are just taxpayers.
	But your tax money was handed out about $20 million of it by this organization that Congress set up for the purpose called the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, or CPB, to create,
	I think, a great idea, a series of programs entitled America at the Crossroads, at a Crossroads, excuse me, whose purpose was to bring different vantage points and perspectives to bear on the most important issues of our time in the post-9-11 world.
	The idea was always to have these films, you know, by a rigorous competition, winnowed down.
	They ultimately had 440 proposals that were offered for films.
	They winnowed it down to 20.
	I'm very proud to say that the little film company that I'm participating in, ABG Films, had its proposal accepted and then funded for research and development, and then ultimately to make a production of this film, Islam versus Islamists, Voices from the Muslim Center.
	Unfortunately, along the trail, the film was turned over to the Public Broadcasting Service, PBS, and one of its flagships here in Washington, WETA, who took a very dim view of me personally, I must say, and of the film, almost from the get-go.
	And they tried blacklisting me, and then they tried to neuter the film in a succession of rather pointed editorial comments whose bottom line, pretty much, Paul, I have to tell you, was you're being too unfair to the Islamists when you tell the story of the people that they are suppressing, they are ostracizing, they are blackmailing, they are coercing,
	they are in some places trying to kill.
	And we thought, you know, we think we're doing this about right.
	We think that we're telling in an informed and compelling way the story of these anti-Islamist Muslims, moderate Muslims, if you will, but not just moderate, they're people who have the courage to stand up to these Islamo-fascists.
	And that's the story we want to tell.
	And the kinds of changes that PBS has been insisting upon are simply not compatible with the story that we think not only we should tell, but that absolutely needs to be told to the American people.
	Well, certainly PBS has aired far more controversial material than what was contained in your documentary, or at least I would presume so.
	And they say, giving their side of the story, that it doesn't, I guess, rise to the standards necessary for airing on PBS and that they have provided you with notes that are to, well, intended to improve the final product.
	And then they claim after a recut of the film, they can then send it out to affiliates for broadcast at a later date.
	What kinds of changes are they asking for?
	And are you absolutely against them?
	And would it change the meaning of what you're trying to get across, Frank?
	This is a subject for a very long conversation, but I'll try to be brief.
	From early on, it was clear that the kinds of suggestions that were being offered were not editorial, you know, you ought to have this in a different light or at a different spot in the series, in the program.
	They went after what they called the structure and the context of the film, by which when you looked at the specific suggestions that were being made, it really came down to treating in a more favorable light a number of imams and others who were quite vociferous in their criticism of these anti-Islamist Muslims.
	And in the process, presumably casting in a somewhat less favorable light the anti-Islamist Muslims themselves, the heroes of our peace, the truly courageous, remarkable people whose stories we're trying to tell.
	And as you say, Paul, you know, PBS runs more outrageous or at least controversial films like this all the time.
	And indeed, one that appeared in this series, this Crossroads series, instead of our film.
	It didn't go through the competition, by the way.
	It was a sweetheart deal that was given to the host of the show, Robert McNeil.
	It was not only more controversial, I think, it was an Islamist propaganda fest.
	It actually told this story in a very uneven way, but uneven in favor of those who are sympathetic to the Islamists, as opposed to we who are sympathetic to and trying to tell the stories of the anti-Islamists.
	So here's the point.
	I don't believe for a minute that our film doesn't pass the guidelines or standards of PBS, such as they are.
	I think our film was politically incorrect as far as PBS was concerned, and they were not going to let it be seen.
	And I think they still are not going to let it be seen.
	But I suggest we let the American people see it in some other way.
	Let the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which invested $675,000 or so in this film, make it available to other people who do want the public to see this story, Islam versus Islamists.
	And we could really use your help in getting that done because CPB at the moment does not want that to happen.
	Well, here you are.
	You're talking to the largest radio audience in history, the Rush Limbaugh program on folks' favorite radio station, Tuned In.
	They are disappointed that Rush is not here.
	I am too.
	But I'm glad I'm here with you and that we're able to go over some of these things, Frank, because you're always interesting and very helpful.
	It has come down to, I guess, the ultimate question that it seems easily answered, that your film at this moment appears to be left out for political reasons.
	Maybe even a personal vendetta.
	Who knows?
	I'm not that familiar with your relationship with the people you're dealing with there at PBS.
	What we do know is one arm of public broadcasting said yes, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
	The other arm, PBS, said no.
	And it is, I forgot this in thinking about it.
	It's our money.
	We're paying for this.
	That's right.
	But you want to get this film in front of our listeners.
	You want to get this film in front of members of Congress.
	And I understand that you're working on that.
	When we come back, we'll find out exactly what you already have planned and what you think you'd like to do that you say maybe we can help you do.
	Because I suspect that there are a lot of people listening right now who would also like to see this whole idea of Islam versus Islamists, or I say Islamists, which documents moderate American Muslims.
	Coming up.
	Thanks, Johnny Donovan.
	Nice to be with you.
	And we'll open those phone lines too.
	You always have a thing or two that you want to say, maybe some insight that could be useful here.
	Suggestions, too, at 1-800-282-2882.
	1-800-282-2882.
	Also, rushlimbaugh.com, a good place to check in every day on that website because there is so much going on there all the time you want to stay on top of.
	Islam versus Islamists, voices from the Muslim Center.
	And Frank Daffney is with us, one of the producers of this film that was approved and funded by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, and then the Kabash put on it by PBS.
	And because they're the ones who decide in the end what goes on the air.
	They say that if they will make the changes that have been suggested, the notes that were given to Frank, they will then send it out at a later date with some other films that apparently did not make this series that it was supposed to originally be a part of.
	Now, that's the series called The Muslim Americans.
	Is that running now on PBS?
	No, Muslims in America, I think, was the film that I was talking about earlier, Robert McNeill produced as one of the elements of America at a crossroads.
	And it ran last week to horrible reviews, by the way.
	The New York Times absolutely trashed it, and I gather it got poor ratings from the public as well.
	And, you know, that's a good thing.
	But the trouble here is that what we're seeing as a result of what Congressman Jim Walsh, who, by the way, happens to be the ranking Republican on the Appropriations Committee subcommittee that oversees all of these budgets, he called it censorship, what they're doing to our film.
	And I think he's right.
	But what's happening as a result of it, whatever the motivations are, what is happening is PBS is joining the Islamists in suppressing the voices from the Muslim center.
	And as a result, if this isn't turned around, and I'm hoping it will, and I think your audience could be hugely helpful in doing that in two ways, which I'll come to in a minute, but if it isn't turned around, what will be unquestionably the case is that PBS is becoming an engine of not only suppression of the voices of people that we all want to hear from.
	You know, we're asking ourselves all the time, I'm sure, where are the moderate Muslims?
	We're told they're out there.
	Why don't we hear more from them?
	This film, Islam versus Islamists, helps explain that.
	But secondly, we're putting ourselves in a position where PBS is actually promoting the line of the people who are, I think, basically arrayed against us, against Western civilization, against this freedom-loving societies, and in favor of creating these parallel societies within democracies that are going to subvert them and impose Sharia, this religious code,
	and otherwise bring about the Islamo-fascist agenda worldwide.
	It sounds unbelievable, but unless you hear these Muslims themselves describing this danger, describing what's happening to them in very compelling ways, and warning us of what is afoot for the rest of us, you will not understand the true gravity of our situation, and I think we may well not take the steps we need to take in our own defense.
	So, in that case, what they're saying to you, if you could share some of your notes, do they ever get specific and say, this is inflammatory, this isn't going to help, this isn't what we were planning on for America at the Crosswords, make these changes and we'll send it out.
	Have you made the decision, Frank, you're definitely not going to make any changes?
	The line has been drawn in the sand, and that's that.
	Let me put it this way, Paul.
	We agreed to make a number of changes.
	They worried that the narration was overblown.
	And we worked hard to have it be basically just the facts, ma'am.
	They complained that the music was too hot, so we toned it down.
	What we drew the line at was not constructive editorial comments and suggestions.
	It was where they insisted that the story itself be changed, that we promote, in effect, in the interest of what Robin McNeil has called fairness.
	He says our film is unfair or highly one-sided.
	In the interest of the time, there's certainly never been anything.
	There's certainly been never before on PBS has there ever been anything that's been one-sided or unfair to someone.
	Well, it turns out that it's unacceptable if people do it from a pro-American, pro-freedom point of view.
	It's not nothing is one-sided if it's from a pro-Islamist or anti-American point of view.
	And that's really the rub.
	And why we think this is such an important fight is not just about this film or even just about these anti-Islamist Muslims who are trying to be heard.
	It's about the public airwaves.
	And as you said earlier, Paul, your tax dollars, is this any way you want to see them expended or used?
	I think not.
	And that's why we're confident that if I make two suggestions, that this audience come in force with this Corporation for Public Broadcasting, call them at 202-879-9600.
	They'll give you some recorded message now, I guess, but at least let your voices be heard that you want to see Islam versus Islamists made available for the public to judge for themselves.
	And secondly, call your member of Congress at 2020-225-3121 and encourage them to go see the film, which is going to be shown in the House Rayburn office building tomorrow night at 6.30.
	Let them see it for themselves and help you see it for yourself.
	All right.
	And let's find out also what our listeners feel about this.
	They have a thought or two here on the Rush Limbaugh program.
	Always willing to express themselves at 1-800-282-2882.
	1-800-282-2882.
	And Frank, don't leave without me asking you a couple of thoughts.
	One, the president facing Congress down now with the date certain to leave Iraq.
	Here we go again.
	And maybe a thought or two on the race for president, the 2008 field from your vantage point.
	But let's go to Dean in Fillmore, Vermont.
	Dean, you're on the Rush Limbaugh program, and we've got Frank Gaffney Jr. with us.
	Yes, thank you, Mr. Smith.
	Appreciate your time.
	As I listen to Mr. Gaffney, it sounds a little familiar.
	Recently, a notable producer, I believe it's Helen Whitney, produced a special about the Mormons to help people understand the vast majority of a faith and the things that are important to them.
	And she encountered the very same process where they began interfering with the content of what she had done.
	They made recommendations that really threw the weight around in a way that didn't accurately portray what Ms. Whitney was attempting to present to the public.
	And it wasn't a case of propaganda.
	It was simply the shining of light onto a faith so that people outside of that faith could get a respect for what those people believe.
	And it sounds an awful lot like what Mr. Gaffney is attempting to do, simply shining the light and exposing what the true meat of a religion is and the people of that religion is and are meeting resistance from a public television broadcasting system.
	And it's a little disconcerting.
	Well, I can't speak to the other filmmakers' experience.
	All I can say is that the most important message, if I could impart one to Rush Limbaugh's audience, is this.
	Don't take my word for it about what is going on inside the Muslim faith at the moment or what the implications are of the trajectory that it's on.
	Listen to these, as I say, brave souls who are coming forward to try to both rescue their religion from the Islamofascists and help preserve the freedom-loving societies of the West, not just America, by the way.
	And there may be others who are having a similar experience with other films or other religions, but I can tell you based on my first-hand experience, this is a message that the PBS system is simply not going to let you see, and we need to find other ways to make sure you do.
	Well, it'll be very interesting to see if, in fact, we're given that opportunity.
	You have the power of this audience at least inquiring and asking why they're not being able to see it.
	We have people standing by to ask questions, and we'll get to each and every one of you here on the Rush Limbaugh program at 1-800-282-2882 with our guest, Frank J. Gaffney Jr.
	He is the founder and president of the Center for Security Policy in Washington, D.C., and producer of a film called Islam versus Islamists, Voices from the Muslim Center.
	The PBS, at least at this point, doesn't want you to see.
	We continue on the Rush Limbaugh program.
	I'm Paul W. Smith.
	Paul W. In for Rush.
	Poll out today.
	More than 70% of Egyptians, Pakistanis, Indonesians, Moroccans believe the United States is trying to weaken and divide the Islamic world in this poll.
	The survey for worldpublicopinion.org, more than 40% thought that that was the primary goal of the U.S.-led war on terrorism, while only 12% believed Washington's aim was to protect the United States from attack.
	People in the Islamic world clearly perceive the U.S. as being at war with Islam.
	30% approved of attacks on U.S. military in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Gulf.
	But 60% said suicide bombings were never justified, and 67% believed Islam was opposed to attacks against civilians.
	And now your moderate Muslims, Islam versus Islamists, Voices from the Muslim Center in the United States, a film that you feel Frank Gaffney Jr. must be seen there from your Center for Security Policy.
	And we're hearing from our listeners what they think at 1-800-282-2882.
	1-800-282-2882.
	Dave is in Boston and on the Rush Limbaugh program.
	Dave?
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	And Frank as well.
	I think PBS is capitulating to militant Islamic fascists.
	You know, they rule their people through fear, and that's why we're only hearing from them.
	You know, it's, you know, the heart of the Islamic people that are around the most prevalent actions of Islam this day are not really able to speak their heart for the fear of having their heads slowly sawed off.
	There is no way they can speak their purple-fingered heart at this time.
	CNN takes a poll, you know, I guess most polls are misinformational.
	I call them chicken little news.
	But the people in this country that have seen a little bit more of freedom and people that you're telling that you're not going to go back to the mosque and tell the radicals that what you said, you're going to get a little bit more of an honest opinion out of America.
	And, you know, PBS is doing the same thing they've always done.
	You know, it's unfortunate.
	So let me ask you before we hear from our guest, Frank Gaffney.
	Dave, how far would you be willing to push and to go to support courageous Muslims in the United States, Canada, Western Europe, who are challenging the power structure, who are going after Islamo-fascism?
	Well, you know, print invisible media do not exemplify what is already going on, you know, and so people don't know what to do.
	I mean, in Harvard Square, we have someone who's speaking, you know, who shouldn't really not have been allowed to speak, I believe, you know, in this country for the support of terrorism and Hezbollah.
	You know, it just, you know, we need to exemplify what the expatriates of Iran are saying, the students, the former students in Iran are saying about Iran.
	You know, they come out and they say, oh, 62.7% are going to show up in this election, so-called election.
	Then the day after, they say, look, 62.7% showed up, right?
	But when you talk to people through the internet in Iran, the truth is that only 10% showed up.
	It's just a bunch of, you know, they don't care about their people.
	The nukes, we know, I feel they're about nuclear weapons and not nuclear power because, well, in Iran, do they have like a half of a refinery?
	Do they care about their people?
	Do they have to import gas?
	No, they don't care about their people.
	The reality is they are heading in the direction that we think they are, you know, I believe.
	You know, and I don't condescend to people.
	I really, you know, unlike Democrats or people in Harvard Square saying, this is how it is, you know, these impeach people.
	They're just nuts.
	You know, when you have comprehensive information that you get through radio, it's, you know, talk is news and news is talk.
	I mean, I laugh.
	I can't go one minute without laughing at any of the network news that replicates CNN or any of the print news that replicates the New York Times.
	What do they have on the front page of the New York Times above the pole when Saddam was executed by his people, by his people, lefis, okay?
	All right?
	You know what they had, right?
	They had pictures of loyalists, Baath, and Sunnis praying over his bodies.
	They should have black dot headlines for three weeks above the poll exemplifying what Saddam had done to his people.
	All right, David, and you're right.
	And somehow, being treated poorly just before they hanged him turned him into a martyr for some in the press, but not for most.
	As we check in here with, do we have time?
	Do we have time to go to Bob in Portland, Oregon?
	Bob, you're on the Rush Limbaugh program.
	I'm Paul W. Smith, and Frank Gaffney's here too, Bob.
	Thank you very much.
	I was just listening to your commentary about the PBS series America at the Crossroads, and I actually thought it was a very good series.
	I'm surprised that the ratings weren't good, although it's more like a news commentary, and people get bored by the news pretty fast.
	I don't know.
	Did Frank, did you say it wasn't a good series?
	Because I think, Bob, what he's hoping is, or what he's saying, I think, is he thinks it would have been better if his film were allowed to run like it was supposed to.
	And you can't blame him.
	You can't blame him for feeling that way.
	I don't know.
	I just wonder, I can't imagine PBS doing that because they think Islam, Muslims that would say something against these people would have a platform here anytime.
	And I'm always been complaining since this war started that they aren't saying anything.
	They don't stand up and scream and yell their heads off about what these people are doing to their religion.
	They're screwing it up.
	And, you know, the right and left area.
	You know, that is an excellent point, Bob.
	And let's just stick with that simple point because a lot of us have felt that.
	Where are the moderate Muslims?
	Why aren't they standing up and screaming?
	We'll see if Frank's film answered that and that PBS didn't like the answer in just a moment as we continue on the Rush Limbaugh program.
	All right, no time left, Frank, in the answer to the question, where are the moderates and wouldn't the institutional media flock to moderate Islamists to have their story be told?
	You'd think so.
	The public broadcasting service, which runs public television airwaves, is not apparently of that view.
	I think others would be.
	And that's one of the reasons why we're hoping people will help us break this film loose so that it can be seen by the American people on other networks, if not on PBS.
	But the answer to the question very simply is this: There are these anti-Islamist Muslims who are trying desperately to be heard.
	And if they are heard, I think there will be a lot more courageous, moderate Muslims standing up to the Islamists.
	And frankly, we need their help desperately.
	So we should be doing everything we can to help amplify these voices, not suppress them.
	And what PBS is doing is just outrageous.
	All right.
	And what you're doing is what I would expect of you, Frank J. Gaffney Jr., president of the Center for Security Policy.
	Always a pleasure talking to you.
	Next time, we'll get into those other questions I had for you.
	And we'll keep an eye out for the film, Islam versus Islamists, Voices from the Muslim Center.
	As we continue right here on your favorite radio station, the Rush Limbaugh Program.

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