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April 13, 2007 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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April 13, 2007, Friday, Hour #2
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Welcome to the uh to the big show.
Glad to be here.
Always an honor to sit in and visit with my uh friends across the country, doing this for I don't know how many years.
We were looking at a piece of paper here about some of the technical situations with the program.
And it was dated back in uh 2000.
So I've been hanging out with you guys for at least seven years on uh on this program.
And of course Rush and I go way back.
We're old friends when uh he was first working in Sacramento.
We've got uh we've got just uh uh uh Tadmore on on the uh whole discussion here about how we're gonna clean up the language, we're gonna clean up all this evil talk, the bad talk that's going on, and uh we're gonna work we're gonna I don't know who we are that's gonna decide what's right and what's wrong.
But um but I I just don't I'm sorry, I don't believe that anything's gonna change.
What's gonna change is Don Imus is gone, but what's what's not gonna change is is the kind of language and Reason magazine, which are a big um libertarian group.
I I like their magazine.
That's uh makes you think.
They're good at making you think.
And they said the problem is that the majority of Americans of all colors and all classes have laughed at hideous prejudices at some point.
And if you want to call Don Imus a hate monger, you better go check your DVD collection and make sure you don't have any Dave Chappelle or Chris Rock or Eddie Murphy or Satcha Baron Cohen, or Mel Brooks, or Trey Parker or yeah, or Matt, or Matt Stone, uh, yeah, the um South Park guys.
And from Lenny Bruce to Reno 911, Americans' humor has found fertile ground among our racial, ethnic, and religious dissimilarities.
And we are different.
And I've often said this whole business about racism isn't so much about black versus white as it is human versus human.
I am absolutely convinced that, well, I don't know.
See, my wife, she believes that everybody's good until they prove to her otherwise.
Me, on the other hand, I don't trust a soul until they prove to me that I can trust them.
The way I am.
But I think we approach each other.
And if you can and a perfect example that we've all experienced.
Remember when you go to uh new school or to high school or someplace in your in your lower elementary education?
You went into a classroom and nobody knew anybody.
And we all kind of just withdrew and kind of sat there in our own little shell until you get to know each other and you find out who you like and who you don't like and who you're friends with and who you're not friends with, and even that changes as as you go through time about it, the more you learn about somebody else.
We are very defensive about other human beings.
We're not very gregarious.
Who was that guy on PBS years ago that used to go around hugging everybody?
I met him.
He walks up to me, and this grown man throws his arms around me and gives me a big hug, and I went, ah.
There's something about the fact that we are defensive about each other, and we're more defensive about each other when when the other person is different than us.
They're from a different country, they go to a different church.
They have a different color of skin.
They have different shape to their eyes.
There's something about a lot of people that go, I don't know you, and you're not like me.
In fact, nobody's like us.
We're all like snowflakes.
We're all individuals, so we all approach each other cautiously, and I and I think we approach, sadly, but true, more cautiously, people with dissimilarities to us.
We approach people easier with similarities to us.
And so that's why comedians have used this as an edge to be edgy in their comedy acts.
And that's why go back with Imus actually is a is a comedie does a comedic show.
And he has made fun of every kind of group of people you can possibly religions.
Ethnicity.
I heard one that I thought was the funniest thing I'd ever heard because he used to, I don't know if he still does them.
I haven't listened to his show in a long, long time.
But he but he used to do this of these skits, radio skits that were highly produced and really well done skits.
Well, he did this one about a guy who worked that they lost a guy who rang a bell in a belfry in an old church in England.
And they needed to hire somebody, and a guy shows up without any arms to be the bell ringer.
Well, it was about people, it was about handicaps and disabilities.
And I was I was feeling horrible about it, but I laughed so hard.
It was really funny.
And I'm sure that a lot of you laugh at Dave Chappelle or Chris Rock or Eddie Murphy or I mean go down.
Mel Brooks cracks me up.
So we have this thing.
In fact, any uh as Reason Magazine pointed out, any successful comedian will tell you.
The most common praise comes in the form, wow.
You say the things that everyone thinks but never admits.
And I gotta tell you, I think uh this radio show is the biggest radio show in the history of broadcasting because Rush Limbaugh also was successful because he was saying things that other people thought, but but they never heard anybody say on the air before.
So I think there I think there's some similarities there.
Let me let me start moving from from that throw a political angle to it, and we'll then we'll move on to this business about the politics about how a television network, Fox, is somehow an issue in the race for president.
And of course, uh one of the candidates is none other than uh Hillary, and an interesting spot out of National Review, uh a blog, Jim Garrity today, said that Hillary is going to be going to Rutgers on Monday.
And when she gets there, oh, she's gonna address this whole IMAS mess.
So we're all gonna have to wait for I know it's gonna be a long weekend, folks.
You're gonna have to wait till Monday to find out what Hillary has to say.
But what uh Garrety's talking about says uh I wonder if she will also address why she's not offended by the lyrics of Timbaland, a rapper who hosted a $1,000 per head fundraiser for her in Miami.
And um Gardy says, I cannot uh give enough language warnings before providing you a link at nationalreview.com to what his uh lyrics are, but needless to say, the whole word, the N-word, the S-word, the F word, the A word, the B word, they're all in there.
And so if Imus's comments are unacceptable, but if they come from someone who throws a fundraiser for her, I wonder if she'll accept his money and the money that he raised for her.
Or whether she will deploy the Snoop Dogg defense that the word is okay when it's not applied to Rutgers basketball players, but only to women who behave in the manner of hoes.
And speaking of Snoop Dogg, I don't um again, I go back to the let the market decide.
If if if you want to be shocked, I've done this before, and you want to be shocked.
I can't tell you what to put in Google.
I think it's lyrics or music lyrics or put in hip-hop lyrics or something like that.
And you'll get you can get lyrics to any song.
You can get lyrics to Tony Bennett songs.
You can also get lyrics to Snoop Dogg songs.
And go down the list.
You put in hip hop, maybe you can get a bunch of different artists, maybe you don't know their names.
But uh Timbaland would be one.
And and folks, you cannot believe what that what they are saying in their lyrics.
And this is what your children are listening to.
So am I in favor of banning Snoop Dogg?
No, I am not.
No more than I'm in favor of banning Don Imus.
But I but I really do think that there should be some uh supervision by some of the parents out there that are Have no idea what their children have and what they're listening to.
And how it's become an acceptable part of language.
And it is wrong, and it is bad.
But it's not going to change.
And it's not going to change because Don Imus got the boot.
So Hillary will listen on Monday to see if Hillary says anything about the money that Timbaland raised for her.
And look at his lyrics online.
Yeah, do not.
X-rated.
So just be forewarned.
Don't call here and start screaming about the fact that you're offended.
But you can call Roger Ailes and tell him that you're offended.
Roger Ailes, of course, is a head of Fox.
And there's a big piece today.
It's just the latest in an ongoing building list of going after Fox News.
And E.J. Dion has an article in the Washington Post today saying no to Fox News.
Talks about how Democrats have no business going to anything that is broadcast by Fox.
And I'm talking about presidential candidates.
I I I mean again, you can pick and choose your products on what you buy or what you don't buy, and I suggest strongly that you don't that you don't buy products that you don't like.
But for a presidential candidate, the last time I'd I just have never heard of such a thing as an issue in a presidential campaign being it's usually the economy and taxes and war and and uh health care and education and not about a television network.
So when we come back uh come back, we'll talk about uh the uh latest effort to to go after Fox, and I don't quite know the thinking behind this, because it seems like it could backfire and bite them in a big way.
Phone number to join the program today.
Same as always, 800-282-2882.
My name is Tom Sullivan.
This is the Rush Linball Radio Program.
Welcome back, Tom Sullivan uh in for Rush Today.
Rush will be back on Monday.
But um all right, so we've got we've got uh EG EJ uh Dion uh saying that Democrats have no business creating any formal.
You've seen these stories, have you not, about the the fact that the uh John Edwards was the one who started it and then Obama and then Hillary, and it's all started, of course, what was that, a month or so ago when uh the Nevada state uh the state of Nevada Democratic Party was going to hold a debate with the uh with the Democratic candidates for president, whatever that number was.
And they said, all right, we're gonna do this, and uh Fox is going to be the broadcast facility for this.
They've graciously decided to come up and be a sponsor, which means in other words, it wasn't costing the Democratic Party of Nevada anything or very little or something because they were a sponsor, so they were basically going to say, let us bring to you these candidates that are all Democrats debating each other uh as they try and get your vote.
And what I what the part that I'm missing out of all of this that I don't understand is that if um why why would you not want to go out and get on the biggest uh cable network out there?
It just gives your message out, and the whole fear about the fact that, well, it's you know it's all a bunch of conservatives and it's all a bunch of Republicans and uh they're gonna watch me and listen to me.
Well, yes, wouldn't that be a good idea?
I mean, you can go talk to the choir or you can go and try and talk to somebody and try and maybe lure them over to your way.
So it seems like it's kind of a good idea is to go in and talk to the other side.
And so, all right, so they got uh push from uh moveon.org to cancel this thing.
And they did.
So we move on from there and we go over to uh Michigan, and the Congressional Black Caucus is going to have a debate as well.
And and of course, Obama is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus.
And uh once again, the Congressional Black Caucus, they cut a deal where it would be broadcast on Fox.
Again, it's just the Democrats debating each other to try to be the Democratic Party nominee for president in 2008.
And once again, the pressure groups came in and said, How dare you do that?
And so Obama backed off, he backed out of it, Edwards backed out of it, Hillary backed out of it.
I don't I don't know.
Maybe they should go ahead with it.
I mean, what do you you know, and and start giving some publicity to uh uh some of the others that are that are out there that are running.
There's a whole group of them, I don't even know sure who.
So AJ Dion or EJ Dion says um that he can't that that it's uh Democrats really don't have any business doing this.
First of all, from just a sheer a television network should not be an issue in a presidential campaign.
Secondly, is you want to be president of the United States and you want to go up against Armand Dinajad and all the others around the world and Kim Jong-il, you better be prepared to at least go up and talk to reporters.
And it's not a matter of, I mean, this wasn't something that Fox was going to be sitting there browbing these people, they were gonna be I don't even know who was going to be the journalist asking the questions.
I'm not maybe maybe they would have had Jim Larry come over to do it.
He does a lot of that sort of stuff.
I don't know.
But the fact that it's broadcast on Fox seems like it would be a good thing.
So Dion says, What Ailes knows is that the campaign to block Fox from sponsoring democratic debates is the most effective liberal pushback against the network since its debut ten years ago.
I'm not quite sure what that means, EJ.
I mean, I'm I'm sitting here looking at this and I'm going, what do you mean it's the most effective?
If this is it, you call this effective.
So there's a few of you in the mainstream media that are sitting there saying, why, look at this, this is great.
La I just I pulled up the latest Fox numbers, and last time I checked, if this is the most effective that the liberal groups have been, they're not effective.
Because nothing's happened.
In fact, if anything, what does it do?
It gives more publicity to our friends at Fox.
He goes on.
He says, Ailes has been brilliant, insisting that his network is fair and balanced, even as its right tilting program built a devoted conservative following that helped it bury CNN and MSNBC in the ratings.
EJ is one of those that believes that anybody who is a conservative cannot possibly know what they're talking about.
And that those of you who follow conservatives like the audience in for this program, and as Rush has told you many times, and this is another shining example of where a major media person thinks that you're all a bunch of mind numb robots that just follow along and that that's that's all that Fox has, by the way.
You cannot get Fox unless you first have the secret handshake and the code ring.
And then your television will get Fox, but you gotta know the secret uh handshake and code ring uh that you get from the Republican Party and you have to answer ten questions about whether or not you're really a conservative or not before you can get that, because that's who the up uh they've got a devoted conservative group following uh Fox and buried CNN and MSNBC.
Uh dear Mr. Dion, I uh happen to consider myself a right-leaning uh Republican.
And it may come to shock you that I have actually been able to receive on my television set at home CNN.
And even though it's been painful, I have also been able to pick up the signal from MSNBC.
So he goes on.
While Ailes knows precisely what he's doing, his competitors flailed.
They dump one format after another, sometimes trying to lure conservative viewers from Fox by offering their own right-leaning programs.
Maybe it's called they didn't do a good job of broadcasting.
So he says, my hunch is that Ailes, one of the toughest and smartest in a generation of Republican political consultants, sees his adversaries as playing the kind of political barball barball he he respects.
And um says the Fox debate is uh amusing.
It marks a transformation on the left, driven by the rise of internet voices and the frustration of liberals at the success of conservatives in using a combination of talk radio, Fox, and the web to propagate anti-liberal anti-democratic messages.
I I don't know what what your computer gets, Mr. Dion, but last time I checked, you can you can pull up all kinds of you can pull up move on.org on the on there.
I talk radio.
They have made attempts to come up with left-leaning programming.
They have failed not because they drag people off every day to listen to a particular radio show or to watch a particular television station, or to only sign on to the web only to certain websites.
And his point is from 1960 until recently it's been dominated by conservatives.
Can we talk about Alan Berg, the liberal talk show host from Denver who was killed?
We'll be back.
Yep, filling in today, and uh he'll be back on Monday.
He has a nice three-day weekend.
Hope he's having a good time.
We've uh talking about Fox News and how these uh Democrats that were going to debate there wasn't going to be a Republican there that I know of.
It was all Dem, it was all Democrats debating each other.
And uh Emmett Tyrell, who uh Tyrell, who uh American Spectator was talking about this as well.
And um he says uh you know, you know, because the black caucus is exercising its freedoms and the Democratic spirit of uh liberality of co-sponsoring debates with Fox, then all of a sudden you come along this uh night rider group called Color of Change, which is accusing the black caucus of dancing with the devil, and what Tyrell wants to know is one wonders what the uniform of these brutes look like.
Do they go step?
The black caucus is more in touch with the values that eventually triumph over oppression and racism, which is liberty and freedom.
But no, you've got the uh you got the bullies uh making John Edwards and Hillary and Barack run uh for their lives that they they don't want to show up and actually be on on somebody else's air.
And oh, by the way, nine candidates from the Republican side of the aisle that are want to be your president will participate in a debate coming up on May 3rd at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, hosted by the Library Foundation.
This is all set up by Nancy Reagan and um at Simi Valley in California.
So nine candidates from the Republican Party, guess what television channel is going to be carrying that debate of the nine Republicans?
No, it's not Fox.
It's MSNBC, which is hurting anyway, so they might as well go for wherever they can get an audience and um no imus is not going to be the host of the program.
Wouldn't that be great?
In any case, why would nine Republicans dare to go on MSNBC, that liberal left-leaning television network when the Democratic candidates won't go on Fox, that evil far right Republican only come on, folks, you know the numbers.
Democrats and independents, especially independents, watch Fox more than any other channel.
I have the numbers in front of me.
But Dion goes on, he says, from the late 1960s until the past few years, media criticism was dominated by conservatives railing against the liberal media.
Folks, that is just flat wrong.
The conserv can I tell you when the conservative media got started.
It got started in 1988 by some guy from Sacramento who moved to New York called Rush Limbaugh.
That's when it started.
And the reason, again, his success is because he said things that people were thinking but had never heard anybody say on the radio before.
And so people that were hungry for that came to this program.
It started in 1988, not the 1960s.
And Rush was the lone voice out there for the longest, longest time.
In fact, I mentioned Alan Berg before the bottom of the hour.
Alan Berg was a talk show host at a Denver radio station.
He was uh shot and killed in the driveway of his home.
I can't tell you what year it was.
I want to say it was the early 70s.
But I do know that Allen Berg was a big, big liberal.
And the the liberal domination of talk radio was that's what that's what that's all there was.
The only ones who were so-called uh not liberal were were the um oh Morton Downey Juniors and that sort of stuff, which made people think that a lot of conservatives were a bunch of goofballs and until Rush came along.
But Allenberg represented that group of very successful programming back in the 60s and 70s, which was very, very liberal.
So EJ, check your facts, my friend.
You're you're just crazy to say that conservatives have been dominating since the nineteen sixties.
They haven't at all.
Now Fox is dominating because of the fact that nobody's being handcuffed and pulled in front of their TV set with the uh with the uh remote control switch broken.
No, it it dominates because people go there to watch it.
I have a good friend of mine who's uh a very good Democrat, very loyal Democrat, and she's told me before.
She says, I love watching Fox because it's better.
It moves, it's fun, it's it's flashier, it's it's better broadcasting.
So I have the numbers from and and this is where I I again I want to um they're trying everything they can to go after Fox from every which angle they possibly can.
I have the ratings that have come in.
Uh this is last year, I don't have this year's.
Total day, Monday through Sunday.
Fox twice the audience of CNBC, four times the audience of MSNBC.
That's everybody, all people, all ages, all day, Monday through Sunday.
Now we get into prime time, Monday through Sunday.
Fox.
Two and a half times CNN.
Uh five times MSNBC.
I'm sorry, these are just numbers that they know that how many sets, how many people are watching.
Studio B on Fox, double CNN.
Um Neil Cavuto's program, your world, double CNN.
Uh four, almost five times MSNBC.
The big story with John Gibson, double CNN.
Uh Brett Hume, um two and a half times CNN.
Uh Shepard Smith's program, two and a half times CNN.
O'Reilly, four times, almost five times CNN.
Hannity and Combs.
Uh almost double CNN.
I can go down the list and bore you with all this, folks, but I'm I'm just nobody forces anybody to watch any particular program.
Why and yet stand by because there is a concerted effort to make Fox part of an uh issue facing this nation.
John in uh Churchill, Tennessee, John, welcome.
You're on the Rush Limbaugh program with Tom Sullivan.
Thanks.
Uh it just seems that move on.org, instead of trying to uh allow for debate, they are trying in the words of Jesse Jackson to intimidate.
I mean, they're they're saying that Fox is unfair to Democrats.
Uh I wonder if they can ever substantiate this as far as news, just the news programs are concerned.
I mean, did Fox Well, see, but if you're if you're an E.J. Dion, everything that is is to the right of you is uh is not is uh is conservative.
Well, my question is this did Fox News news ever earn any stories about Democrats just prior to an election based on false documents?
Never.
Yeah.
You know, this is just another Leonard Stalinist trick.
You make substanti you make arguments that you can't substantiate.
You try and marginalize the people being attacked, and then you focus on the charges, not the substance of the issues.
So now the Democrats can't get their stories out on the largest watch cable news station in the United States.
Who's gonna be hurt by that?
Well, and that's I think that is the ultimate question because I would think that it would hurt the the candidates that want to get their message out that are not on that that particular no matter what channel it's just one less appearance.
These people die for time before the microphone and the camera.
And particularly the guys that are the lower tier candidates.
They're getting free air camp, free national airtime.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, first of all, this whole idea that it's a debate is kind of crazy anyway, because there's so many of them that they'll get like about 30 seconds to say anything.
So what are you going to learn from that?
But at the same time, they're making you are absolutely right.
John, you are absolutely right.
They are making this to be uh a debate where I think the one that's going to get hurt is not Fox.
It's going to be the people and the candidates that are looking small by not willing to step up to that microphone, not stepping up to any microphone, especially one that has the biggest audience by double.
I don't understand it.
I'm I I'm at a loss.
I don't understand the the That's what I need.
I need somebody who's a political strategist that can tell me why they're doing this.
It makes absolutely no sense to me.
800-282-2882.
I'm Tom Sullivan sitting in for Rush Limbaugh.
Welcome back.
Tom Sullivan sitting in for Rush.
Again, he's out just uh for the day.
He'll be back on Monday.
Say no to Fox News, says E.J. Dion, and um I just I don't understand if somebody can uh can answer the question.
What what is the advice?
Who's the what is the advice?
Is it is it there I know when you run for the primary, you've got to run further to the left or further to the right in order to get your crowd.
Is that is that all this is?
Maybe maybe I'm making too much out of this whole thing.
I'm not sure.
Steve in uh Rockford, Illinois.
Hi, Steve, you're on the Rush Limbaugh program with Tom Sullivan.
Hi, Tom, good afternoon.
Good afternoon.
Um you know what?
These guys, I tell you, they crack me up.
Um, as Rush said, you put a pile of excrement in front of these guys and they'll step in it every time.
I think they have.
I really think they have in this one.
And I and you know what?
I think that's uh I don't think the Fox News has a handshake and a ring that you gotta go by.
It's much easier than that.
They just put the pile on the sidewalk and just step around it.
You must be a conservative and you can watch.
Yeah, I mean, there's when was the last time somebody came into your home to tell you what you could and could not watch?
I in fact.
In fact, if anything, the beauty of it is is that you're in the privacy of your own home, so you don't even have to try to uh look politically correct.
You can do whatever you feel like, and you do that in the privacy of your home.
You pick and choose what you like and what you don't like.
Right.
And these guys, I tell you, um, you know, they don't want to go on Fox News because they say it's conservative.
Well, then I guess that means the other guys that are all a bunch of liberals then.
But um I well, I you know you're right.
I actually asked that's right.
In fact, you've just convinced me.
I say ban Fox News from covering the presidential election next November.
I say on election night, they must run movie reruns.
Hey, we can't allow Fox News to be on the air with uh presidential election uh at stake.
Good grief.
This is crazy.
I appreciate your call, Steve.
Oh, but listen to this.
This is Oh, I shouldn't say anything.
It's just between you and me.
Don't tell them.
Saw this um saw this out.
What is this?
It's one of the uh advertising magazines, media post publications.
And they said um MySpace announces a January first presidential election.
MySpace.
Getting a jump on the Iowa caucus in February and New Hampshire primary in February, News Corpse, my uh That's right.
It's owned by News Corp, which if you're not paying attention for those of the slow ones in the audience, yes, the parent of Fox News owns MySpace.
They plan to host a general presidential vote on January first and second of next year.
No, folks, This is not a real this doesn't count.
Whoever wins isn't president.
But they're going to have for MySpace what they're trying to do is engage the the people that that go on to MySpace, and who are the people that go into MySpace with the young people.
And the vote corresponds, they say, with uh MySpace Impact, which is a page that they launched last month and dedicated to candidates' official profiles as well as online voter registration drive launch last year.
It's all part of the social uh networking that's going on on the internet.
And so they've they've they they're taking away from MTV, their old rock the vote initiative, which they tried to do and and trying to get this ownership of the young people.
Forrester research is quoted as saying the driving force behind social networking that people want to be heard and connect is bound to have a huge impact on future political races.
All right, so who to who goes on to MySpace?
Sixty-five million people go on every month.
Eighty-five percent of whom are voting age.
It's important for the political consultants to note that uh MySpace Users, 18 and up exhibit a high level of efficacy, three times more likely to interact with public candidates or officials.
My space users are forty-two percent more likely to watch politically related online video, thirty-five percent more likely to research politics online, forty-four percent more likely to listen to a political audio online.
So what they're going to do is they're going to have a vote for the presidential candidates.
It's a straw vote on January first and second at MySpace.
How is John Edwards going to get out of that one?
What's he gonna do?
Is he gonna say don't vote for me?
Because it's uh news corp product, we'll be back.
800 28282.
My name is Tom Sullivan.
This is the Rush Limbaugh Radio Program.
Tom Sullivan's setting for Rush.
Let's get right to the phone.
Steve in uh South Carolina, thanks for waiting, Steve.
You're on the Rush Limbaugh program.
Well, thank you.
Good to talk to you.
Likewise.
I think you missed the point a little bit on the uh Democrats not wanting to go on Fox.
What is the point?
I'm trying to figure it out.
The point is very simple.
It's not complicated.
What they're saying is conservatives, we do not intend to represent you.
We're not going to listen to your questions.
We're not going to talk to you.
We don't want you to make any money.
We don't want any any uh newscast that represents you to make any money.
We are not going to represent you.
We are only going to represent people from the radical left like moveon.org.
That's who we're going to listen to.
Well, it certainly it certainly does paint a much brighter picture, does it not, about the fact that it is um there's only my view, and there is no other view.
And if you have another view, not only are you incorrect, but it just your view doesn't shouldn't exist.
I mean, they really do shut you out on that.
Absolutely.
And they're saying, we don't even want to hear it.
Don't even talk to us about it.
And if we're elected, we're going to ignore you totally.
Well, this this uh Washington Post article today, uh EJ uh Dion says um, and this is this is a big admission on his part.
He says, uh I am an avid reader of conservative magazines such as National Review and Weekly Standard, but if these two publications teamed up to sponsor a democratic debate, would anyone accuse Edwards Obama and Clinton of blacklisting if the candidate said no thanks?
Yes.
Yes, they're two nationally well recognized, well read publications, and again, from the spirit of you want to sell your idea to somebody that uh from the other side, you might get a Republican that's uh weak knee that goes, Oh, I I get it, I like that.
You never know, you might get you might get a vote or two.
But see, this is what's this is the fallacy.
E. J. Dion says that uh it's all a bunch of conservatives that follow like a bunch of monkeys and lemmings, the conservative media.
Well, then how did he get in there reading these magazines and following all of this?
How did he get there?
You see, that's the that's the troubling part about all of this, is that there are plenty of Democrats and Independents who watch Fox.
There are plenty of Republicans who watch CNN and MSNBC.
And like EJ, I love to read websites from the left just to see what they're saying.
Not only does it challenge you and your positions to either change your position or it solidifies your position.
But to run away from it is weak.
And anybody who's that weak, I don't want to be president of the United States.
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