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June 23, 2006 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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June 23, 2006, Friday, Hour #3
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Welcome back to the Rush Limbaugh program.
Roger Hedcock In for Rush Today.
And something's still nagging me from the first hour, maybe you too.
The caller was it Frank, who was uh Vietnam vet, talking about how he was a baby killer.
He had uh killed civilians.
He had he was seeing the same thing in Iraq now with the Marines charged, and we have uh seven Marines and a Navy corpsman up the road here in Camp Pendleton in Southern California, charged with murder in the uh incident involving the death of a fifty-two-year-old Iraqi man, and you've got uh the Haditha situation.
You've got uh apparently a rash now of charges uh against uh Marines and soldiers in Iraq arising out of the deaths of quote civilians, unquote, in a war where you cannot tell the difference between civilians and combatants, where you cannot tell whether somebody's a civilian one second and a combatant the next second, where you have a nanosecond to react to somebody who's got flowing robes as to whether they have a hand grenade under those robes or not.
Uh where you are in a situation in a war in which all those rules in the Geneva Convention and elsewhere don't make any sense at all and don't apply.
And yet, our guys, the guys on our side, you know, the U.S. Marines, at least they're on my side.
Now I don't want to speak for everybody in the mainstream media, but uh the guys that are on my side are the United States Marines, uh, they're being charged with murder and conspiracy and all kinds of other crazy stuff.
Uh at the same time, and by the way, in the press conference, I I was bowled over by this.
Maybe you know about this.
I sure I certainly did not.
I was bowled over by the press conference where uh Colonel Stuart Navarre, Chief of Staff Marine Corps Installations West, is heard, and I'll play this tape in a moment, talking about cash payments that were made, and apparently they're being made routinely to civilians or the or to who are injured or to the family members of those who are killed, regardless of the circumstances.
Uh Solacia is it, uh uh S O L A C I A. Anyway, here's the an cash payments?
Listen to this question and answer.
Family members know how much.
Also, can you tell us whether you'll have access to body?
I will uh I'm gonna ask Lieutenant Colonel Margolin to handle that.
It is traditional to make sala payments.
That is a tradition.
It is not an admission or an indication of wrongful death.
Salacia payments.
S-A-L-A C I A. Sounds like that uh spelling B. Let's see.
So can you use it in a sentence?
Uh anyway, th this guy is uh it is spelled S-O-L-A-C-I-A.
Uh from Solace from the word solace.
Uh we're apparently uh this tradition I was unaware of of doling out American taxpayer money to everybody who gets killed.
I started talking about this on the air in the local show, and a guy from the uh Korean war veteran uh says, Oh, yeah, we used to do this all the time.
In fact, it got so bad old people were throwing themselves in front of military trucks to try to get uh injured or killed so their family members would make more than they could ever make for them.
And then a guy from Vietnam era calls and says, Oh, yeah, we did this in Vietnam all the time.
Uh, you know, we we killed so many babies, apparently, that uh we we were paying for it.
Huh?
Uh what is this all about?
And what is it all about to make payments to a family that makes claims that, oh yeah, that guy that was shot there, he was shot by the Marines.
Oh, yeah, we saw him.
We have fifty witnesses.
Uh what kind of a fair trial is that gonna be?
And what is this stuff about murder by Marines?
We're in a war.
They are killing people, they're trained to do that.
They are killing people who are trying to kill them.
Seems only right and just and fair.
Uh they are making snap judgments based on nanoseconds of warning uh in crowded situations.
Now, Frank's approach, the Vietnam vet, who called us in the first hour was we shouldn't be doing this at all.
What we should be doing in pursuing the bad guys is to get the Iraqis, uh, get them out of uniform, put them in the flowing robes, get them with grenades and AK-47s and going after the other ones.
In other words, unleash the militias uh against the uh the insurgents.
Well, that would be a civil war, it seems to me, but aside from that, is that an approach you support?
Well, I haven't been to any of those places, so I'm gonna call upon this listening audience to tell me what you think if you have.
Here's Ron in Colorado Springs.
Ron, welcome to the Rush Limbaugh program.
Thanks, Roger.
Um little nervous, but it sure is good to talk to you.
Thanks.
Uh yeah, I was in Iraq, and uh prior to Christmas, I'm gonna go back again.
Uh been to Kosovo, Bosnia, Macedonia, Haiti.
Each one of those operations was handled differently.
Iraq is handled differently than Vietnam, just as Vietnam was handled differently than Korea and Korea than World War II.
That's that's where the uh military gets our training in doctrine.
We learn off of each one.
We're learning off of this one.
Uh just like that Vietnam caller, he wants to compare to t uh today's war to Vietnam.
It's happening through guys like him through the media.
During Vietnam, nobody wanted to be there.
Nobody wanted to get drafted, nobody wanted to go to NAM.
Today we're all volunteers, every last one of us, and we continue to grow.
None of us want to leave our families, the country, anything like that.
That's understandable.
But we'd bit rather be in Iraq doing something than at home doing nothing.
Well, but what about his point?
His point is wrong.
Are you killing innocent civilians?
What we're doing is training soldiers.
That's what we do.
This is a democratic country.
We didn't try to instill democracy.
We did it.
They have elections, they have a government.
We uh we provide a democracy for that.
Yeah, but Ron, I understand all that.
Let me focus you on the issue.
The issue is is the military killing innocent civilians.
Yes.
We have in every war.
It's it's a sad part of war that happens.
We have kept it down lower in this war than any other war, I believe.
Civilian casualties happen.
They we don't go around murdering people, no.
That's a fallacy.
Nobody wants to kill an innocent uh civilian.
We want to get rid of the insurgency.
Now, Ron, let me let me guide you to the the next step, though.
Here's the next step.
The military is charging an increasing numbers, soldiers and and marines and sailors serving in Iraq with murder.
Uh the incidents now are too many to ignore.
Is this a pattern of abuse by American soldiers, or is it uh uh is it uh the success of the enemy's strategy to induce this kind of charge and destroy the morale of our troops and the will of the American people to see it through?
They're trying to destroy the will of the American people and see this ring thing through because already they know that there's a lot of talk about pull out, bring the troops home, bring the troops home.
The troops don't want to come home, and the insurgency knows that.
They know we want to get the job done, so yes, this is on them.
Now those troops are gonna go to trial for murder or and uh crimes like that.
But just like you say, we have to make snap judgments.
In a blink of an eye, you've got to determine whether you're gonna fire or uh what's gonna happen.
That will come out through proper proceedings.
Just because they've charged doesn't make them convicted.
And yeah, you're seeing a lot more of it, and I don't have a fantastic explanation for that.
Yeah, and I'm worried about it, Ron, because nobody seems to.
I think that the military brass and the Bush administration are falling for a battlefield tactic by the enemy designed to break the will of the people, to break our political will to win and to demoralize our troops and to bring our troops home feeling as Frank did, what, thirty years later or more, uh that he was a baby killer when I bet he wasn't anywhere near killing a baby.
No, I now see I love veterans.
I'm a member of the VFW, lifetime member.
I love the vets, the honest ones.
You don't make up a lie to prove a point.
Nobody's gonna come home feeling like a baby killer.
Some people may have been involved in an incident where there was an accidental killing.
They'll regret that for the rest of their lives, but that's not our intent.
But if you bring us home now, we're gonna feel like we left the job incomplete, and we'll all be our heartbroken or heartbroken over that.
Now the worst of all worlds.
Right.
Ron, God bless you.
Thank you for your service to the country, and I appreciate our prayers will go with you as you go out to Iraq uh again, and I appreciate your being with us today.
All right.
Go ahead.
Uh let's see, let's get to here's the same point.
Richard in uh Wallingford, Connecticut, is it?
Richard, go ahead on the Rush Show.
Roger, how are you doing?
Good.
I'm gonna give you a little different point.
I was a CO during NAM.
And I want to it's it's gonna be a little graphic, and we don't talk about it in public or anything, it's only w amongst ourselves.
But if your unit's going in and all of a sudden it draws Fire, you immediately have reactions to that fire.
Now, and during Vietnam, the Vietcon, as well as in Iraq, same idea.
When that fire happens, they put civilians in jeopardy.
And therefore, for if you wait, if the RGIs wait a millisecond to lay down the fire, three or four of their guys aren't just killed, their their heads blown off, their arms are blown off, they're cut in half.
It's very graphic.
And and this idea that you're either dead, period, or you're alive, period, it's much worse than that.
It's worse than any movie that any of your listeners have ever seen, or I won't even look at it because it's too real to me.
And it's worth it's probably ten times worse, and most guys don't talk about it or women.
And therefore, if you wait, three to ten guys are dead.
If you lay down the fire, you save all those legs, at least in theory, because it's it's no longer a war, it's your life.
And you're saying that the enemy is deliberately using civilians as shields because they know that Americans are going to get all concerned about killing, quote, innocent civilians.
Yes, we value life, we value children, we value pregnant women, we value every innocent people, but all during all wars, the innocent always get it.
Unfortunately, because the Germans, the Japanese, everybody did that.
The Koreans, I mean, during the Korean War, I mean, it's all it's happened every every war we've ever had.
And in all those wars, that issue, as poignant as heart-wrenching as it is, was never an excuse not to pursue the war to victory.
Of course not.
You can't.
It is now.
Well, of course.
And so um, couldn't you imagine if we had uh if Hitler was still alive, we would have all these people, these kooks uh uh talking about uh their values and their situation, and of course we did, you know, but it was a small enough amount of people that it really didn't matter.
But it took our country a long time to crack down on on the German and the Japanese uh inter like they gathered them all up, if we remember it, and it wasn't very fair, but you had to do it, you know.
Richard, thanks for the call.
Thanks for your service to our country.
I'm Roger Hitchcock filling in for Rush Limbaugh.
with more after this.
As the Miami Heat Parade in celebration NBA championship in the same town nearby in Miami...
Uh seven young men, seven young men who call themselves Muslims, who call themselves the Moors, a name applied by the Spaniards to uh Muslims in their country in the fifth fourteenth, fifteenth century, uh a group now in our century uh dedicated to the violent uh eradication of infidels.
Very interesting.
Uh the in interviews that are now going on on cable news of some of the relatives.
Oh, they're just nice boys, and they're contractors, and they work, and they're here to do uh work that Americans won't do.
Actually, one of them did turn out to be illegal from Haiti, no less.
So we're gonna have more uh information coming down about that.
I wanted to get into uh another topic that is making national news from San Diego, and that is that the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has said now that the presence of a cross, a large white cross at the Mount Soledad National War Memorial, Mount Soledad sticking up above uh La Jolla here in San Diego at the coast, uh, this cross, this war memorial, is unconstitutional.
Now, this is going to be tough for communities across the country.
It's one thing to talk about do you post the Ten Commandments at the county courthouse?
It's another thing to talk about can we have Bible study class after school at the local high school?
But it's something else entirely to say that a war memorial, first erected in 1954 to honor those San Diegans who'd given their lives in the Korean War, would now be what, fifty years later.
Unconstitutional.
To honor the Constitution these folks died for, we must remove their memorial.
We must tear down a cross.
It is now going to be constitutional to imitate the Taliban who blew up the Buddha that were going to tear down a cross.
Now, ladies and gentlemen, there's obviously a lot going on.
Our mayor Jerry Sanders is appealing to the Supreme Court for some kind of reason in this, and there are a lot of efforts going on, uh, this, that, and the other.
But the federal judge, Gordon Thompson, has said, look, I'm not only relying on the First Amendment separation of church and state.
Okay, there you know where he stands, because those words don't appear in the First Amendment.
Uh, but I'm relying on the California Constitution, which goes even farther and says you can't show any preference, quote unquote, to a religion.
And this shows preference to a religion and must go because the city owns the land underneath its public land, etc.
Well, I wonder.
In the California Code, Section 5097.9 of the California Public Resources Code.
Is this also unconstitutional?
5097.9 of the California Public Resources Code prohibits any public agency or private party from interfering in any way with the free expression, I'm quoting now, with the free expression or exercise of Native American religion on any public property.
The code section specifically, specifically guarantees the freedom of worship for Native Americans on any public property, while a federal judge is telling us that a Christian cross on public property is going to be torn down.
What is left of our Constitution if this stands?
We're calling on uh George Bush who can solve this problem because Congress last year responding to this, said uh we're going to designate this war memorial, which had been to that time a local war memorial.
We're going to designate it part of the national war memorial system.
And we're going to ask the City of San Diego, transfer the ownership to the feds, and we'll fight the battle.
Because we have plenty of war memorials that have religious symbols on them all over the country.
I don't know if you've been to Gettysburg.
I was privileged to be there.
At the high tide of Pickett's charge, there stands a Celtic cross commemorating the New York volunteers of the Union Army who stood there to repel that it that uh that attack.
I'd hate to see it torn down.
In New Jersey.
There's an American G.I. walking out of the camp, you know, in all in bronze here.
It's a statue, walking out of the uh camp, the death camp in his arms as an emaciated uh body of a still living uh Jewish uh guy who'd been rescued at Auschwitz and who had on his sh on his shoulder, or maybe it was pinned uh it was uh on his uniform there, as prisoner uniform, a star of David.
Is the Star of David now to be ground out of this uh memorial because this is the direction we're going.
Separation of church and state doesn't mean the church protecting religious freedom on either public or private property.
It means now, according to Judge Gordon Thompson and the ACLU, it apparently means a freedom from all religion except the ones we like.
So in the seventh grade in California now, in the seventh grade, there is now to learn about Islam, you take a Muslim name as a seventh grader, you dress up as a Muslim, you learn the principles of the uh Muslim religion of Islam, uh you read from the Quran, etc.
All of this part of the public school curriculum.
Do you find anything like that with regard to ri to to Christianity?
Well, no, no, of course not.
Separation of church and state.
We're fighting that battle right here, but I've got to tell you that for all of you, it is also your battle, seems to me.
Scott in Lake Worth, Florida, next.
Scott, welcome to the Rush Program.
Hi, Roger.
Uh I I've been hanging on a while.
I'm sorry I think you guys have moved on from the topic of uh illegal immigration, but I just wanted to uh raise a point that I don't think a lot of people are talking about.
And isn't it true that on a local level when mayors and townships are creating places for these day laborers to stand and work for under the table uh money uh as a day rate labor, aren't they aiding and abetting tax evasion?
Yes, and ought to be arrested for it.
As a matter of fact, in many cities there's been a reaction against this in Houston, there's been a reaction against it in Vista, California and North San Diego County.
Lots of communities are saying, wait a minute, this is a subsidy, this is a recognition of illegal behavior, a subsidy of it.
A complete uh we're in a conspiracy.
We're unfortunately now we're becoming aiding and embedding uh not only the evasion of taxes, the reporting of money, uh the uh the breaking and entering into our country, all these folks going uh to the emergency room, uh clogging the freeways, uh really the the public schools are in a death spiral out here because of non-English speaking uh uh mostly illegal immigrants.
And there's a there's just a very, very tough issue to face in this country, and that's why I spent and I hope Russia forgives me, but I spent the whole hour with J.D. Hayward trying to get some of these issues on the table.
Wake up America.
This immigration issue is national security.
Welcome back to the Rush Limbaugh program.
Roger Hedgecock filling in for Rush, taking your calls at 1-800-282-2882, and of course, uh Russia's activities today in D.C. and the speech he made and all the surrounding uh stuff is at Rush Limbaugh.com, where uh where it usually is, where all the stuff usually is at Rush Limbaugh.com.
Uh there's an author named uh Joel Rosenberg, who is a little scary because he writes these uh fictional accounts which turn out to uh in uh too many places uh turn out to be predictive of what actually happens.
Uh he has written some nonfiction and some fiction about the Middle East, just returned from three months there, and joins us here on the Rush program.
Hi, Joel.
Hey Roger, how are you?
I'm doing well.
What's the latest book?
Well, the latest book, uh the one that's out right now is the Ezekiel option, and that's the one the the nuclear crisis with Iran and Russia.
We can talk about that because it's that one is really has come several elements have come true since it came out uh last summer.
Yeah, you wrote this thing last year and you're envisioning what, which we're now reading about in the headlines.
Well, that's right.
Uh the Ezekiel option picks up off of the last jihad and the last days which I'd written before it.
An American president is trying to make peace in the Middle East uh after the uh the overthrow of Saddam and the death of Yasser Arafat, and all hell breaks loose.
A dictator begins rising in Russia, Iran is feverishly trying to build, build or steal nuclear weapons, and then Iran and Russia form an alliance, uh a military alliance, a nuclear alliance, threatening to wipe Israel off the face of the map.
Now, what's strange about that, of course, is that I wrote the Ezekiel option in 2004.
It came out in the summer of 2005, and that very day the Ezekiel option was published, Mahmoud Ahmedinejad became the president of Iran that very same day, and five months later threatened to wipe Israel off the face of the map, a phrase that comes right out of the book, page 358, if people are curious.
Two months after that, in December of last year, uh Ahmedinejad signed a one billion dollar arms deal with Russia.
Russia is supplying nuclear technology and arms and missiles to Iran, the worst terror state on the face of the planet.
So what was fiction uh increasingly is uh is all too real and and and chilling.
Now, based on that, Joel Rosenberg, I know you've been back there in the Middle East, uh, you've got some fiction and nonfiction works in mind uh coming out now.
So let me try to get a little bit ahead of the curve here.
What are you finding now as a result of your three months there that we're gonna be reading in the headlines a year from now?
Well, that's that's the scary thing.
Uh that's right.
I spent time in uh Israel, Turkey, Egypt, Morocco.
I met with uh leaders from uh not only those countries but many others, including uh Iranian dissidents, Iranian pastors, uh people from all over the region.
The the central issue that seems there's two issues that I think that are the big ones to keep an eye on.
The first, of course, is this rapidly intensifying uh move by Iran to gain these nuclear weapons.
And I have to say uh I was a little concerned um by the Bush administration's uh overture to basically offer nuclear technology to Iran.
Uh I think that's a mistake, uh, but we can talk about that in a moment if you want.
But the that Iran is uh approaching the point of no return with this nuclear program.
And so are we are we then going to have to make the decision, let's say are we are is the American president, whoever that might be, going to have to make the decision that we either uh take out the capability or the uh or the Israelis do it.
Well, I think that's right.
And I think actually i it would more likely better be us uh uh because we are in Afghanistan, we're in Iraq, we have the force projection, uh honestly, better than the Israelis.
But here's the key, and it's this issue about can you negotiate with Ahmed and Jad.
Ahmedjad, of course is a Shiite Muslim, but not only is he one, he believes uh the end times theology of Shiite Islam, which is he is saying to people in Iran that the end of the world is just two or three years away and that to hasten the coming of the Islamic Messiah known as the 12th Mahdi or the Twelfth Imam or the Mahdi,
the only way to do that in his view, his theological view, is to launch a jihad to wipe out all the Jews in Israel and ideally the Christians in the United States if if he can get away with it.
That is not a recipe for being able to negotiate with him or deter him because he doesn't see he's not looking to get out of his persp his pursuit of nuclear weapons or his view of wiping Israel off the face of the map.
He believes that's a fulfillment of his religious goals.
And what's interesting is Senator John McCain, not exactly known as a right-wing religious person or necessarily even that friendly to evangelical Christians at times, but he was on Meet the Press a few weeks ago, and he said that if Iran gets nuclear weapons, he said, quote, I think we could see Armageddon.
Now, McCain is not the kind of guy to go around quoting the the book of Revelation but what's what's brewing in the Middle East is a major war and the second element of that is not just a war with Iran Iran is not a ball together Hamas Al Qaeda and try to liberate it and and wipe Israel out in the process and that is that's going to have implications for us.
All right, so the book's coming out then.
Joel Rosenberg with us, New York Times bestselling author.
Coming up would be what?
Well, the next book is August 1st.
That's the Copper Scroll.
And that is really about the battle for control of Jerusalem.
And it's actually based on an actual Dead Sea Scroll called the Copper Scroll, which is a treasure map.
And the problem in the book is that the pursuit of the treasure sets into motion this kind of cataclysmic showdown.
But the Copper Scroll is also about the potential that this battle for control control of Jerusalem could spill over and lead to a new wave of terror here in the United States uh the first chapter is a hunt for a suicide bomber on the loose in the Washington DC subway system.
That sounds familiar.
Yeah, well, that first chapter, you can read that online at joelrosenberg.com just to get a sense of it.
But that comes out August 1st.
And then in October, the nonfiction book that we were talking about that I was researching called Epicenter, which really gets into, not from a novel perspective, but really from the perspective of what's really happening in the Middle East.
Yes, okay, these novels have had this feeling of coming true, but what are they based on?
I interviewed top uh Arab and Israeli and Iranian and Russian leadership what's the biggest mistake we can make out there blinking I think that if we send message with Iran that we're gonna offer them uh you know nuclear candy to sit down and and sit in a qu in the corner of the schoolroom and be quiet that's not going to work I think dividing Jerusalem and giving Hamas control of the West Bank at this moment is also blinking.
We're essentially um by supporting Israeli Prime Minister Olmert's convergence plan to divide Jerusalem and give away the West Bank at this moment Hamas, I think we're essentially in the business of creating a terrorist state right at the time we're trying to get rid of terrorist states and that too has implications.
What if because of our open borders uh with uh Mexico and even with Canada.
What if these terrorists decide our alliance with Israel and our support for uh our only really true democracy in the Middle East Israel, that they should come here and attack us again and again the way they have attacked the Israelis.
Uh this is this is the conflict that's coming and for those in Washington or on the left who say, let's just cut and run now.
Let's say we've done our job and move on so incredibly short sighted because these groups are plotting and planning right now.
I I have said a number of times I think I said it with you, Roger, last time I was on the war on terror, unfortunately, is the father of many sequels.
And I don't mean fiction.
I mean these guys are plotting one sequel after another and if we don't fight them over there and win, they're gonna come here.
Joel Rosenberg with words of wisdom, my friend, thank you very much, and we'll look for those books uh again on the New York Times list of best selling books.
Thank you, Joel.
Hey God bless you.
Good talking to you.
I appreciate it and God bless you.
Uh Joel Rosenberg there, Joel Rosenberg dot com all right we're gonna come back and uh look I want to get back to some calls too.
We've got a lot on the table and we're going to get your uh reaction to it.
I'm Roger Hedgecock in for Rush Limbaugh and of course everything up on Rush Limbaugh dot com and the phone number of course one eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two we'll be back right after this.
Roger Hedgecock in for Rush Limbaugh today on the Rush Limbaugh program.
Thanks for joining us and of course get on the phones and you're on the air at 1 eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two Robert in Wilkes Bar, Pennsylvania Hello Robert.
Oh hi Roger how are you?
Good.
Good.
Yeah I uh you were you were talking about this uh the soldiers and all the killings that have been going on lately of civilians and so on.
And I think you know what's just telling us really is that we need to get out.
Certainly wait a minute I'm I'm uh I got a disconnect here.
The the war that's going on and the fact that civilians are being used deliberately to break our will so what we ought to do is announce that our will is broken and go home.
Well you're calling it a war but the war ended three years ago.
This is an occupation and there's a big difference.
We are there I thought there was a civil war.
I I'm having trouble following this I gotta tell you because I thought if I read the New York Times it was a civil war.
Well it's it's a war between we don't know even who's over there.
We've got all uh we've got the Shiites, we've got the Sunnis, we've got different kinds of people that are there but uh this is not something where when it becomes so vague and ambiguous of who's the enemy who's not uh the war is the war's over the enemy the enemy doesn't have that ambiguity if you remember the stuff that was captured with uh Zarkawi he's very clear about who the enemy is and he's very clear about who he's trying to kill and it isn't just us it's the Shia as well.
He is in a position of trying to murder everybody he doesn't agree with, and he's got a whole bunch of diehard followers who are there.
Now, wouldn't it be something that you could support, that we Americans would help the obvious large majority of Iraqis who don't agree with Zarqawi to set up a free country, to set up themselves, to protect themselves, and that's what we're doing, to work toward a point where they...
they have an independent elected government that is capable of securing their country.
Well that would be great although Zakhui and those of course the Kawi's dead but those other guys Al Qaeda is a very small faction and we did basically what you described three years ago but our job is over.
This uh this ain't our country.
Why do you think it's over since we obviously still have a lot of Zarkawi types wa running around over there.
Well we don't have that many most of them 95% of the terrorists have been created uh since we invaded Iraq by the way.
Well they certainly have gathered this is what I like about it.
They have gathered in Iraq rather than in Miami in order to attack the United States.
Well they have grown in Iraq to kick us out of Iraq because we're over there obviously because there's a big puddle of oil underneath that country.
And I'd wish we'd get that oil, Garrick are you tired of paying four dollar gas?
I sure am well that no we could I think we ought to suck every bit of that oil out of uh Iraq and take it now.
Some people think well that was the motive for going in the since that wasn't the motive that was expressed.
Is it something that they communicated to you from the Bush administration secretly that I missed Wolfowitz actually said this at a uh meeting in the Middle East.
He said we have we basically we couldn't leave a country with with uh the second well what is it the second world's the largest supply of oil just sitting there.
So we had to come up with a reason and the weapons of mass destruction just happen to be the one that everyone agree on.
Derek, thanks.
Thanks so much for your uh repeating.
I mean, these th this propaganda is so tired and so old it's uh it's difficult to even listen to it again and have any interest at all.
John in Sacramento, you're next on the Rush program.
R uh Rush Hello, Roger, you're so much like Rush.
I I got you mixed up there, but you're my favorite sit-in.
Your ability to recall is is is amazing, and I love listening to you.
Thank you.
And as a uh ex-veteran of the first Gulf War, I'd listen to that other guy, just makes me sick, and I could go on about that.
I actually called about the cross situation in your area, though.
Yeah.
And that is that um they um I I I think it would be disjust at at the baseline, your your uh the way you constitutionally the conflicts are obvious.
But also it would be destruction of public property.
And then it's also a matter of intent.
The people that put that cross in place at the time it was put there, they were duly elected by the people, executing the will of the people, and it was put there to have uh to have permanence to be to to be a market permanence.
It's paid for by city dollars, it was agreed upon by elected officials.
And and I think that's all that is constitutional and and it's really uh unassailable.
Well, the uh first of all it was built actually with private donations on public land.
But let me let me go back to this pretty interesting th thing because the other side would say to you.
Well, yes, but uh public uh officials duly elected, uh using the money uh that uh uh through the process uh that we have here at local government.
Uh also put in uh separate but equal drinking fountains for black people, and that wasn't acceptable and it wasn't constitutional, and therefore they had to remove those and uh and not have blacks only uh drinking fountains, and they equate that with this cross, saying it is completely unconstitutional to have a government favoring one religion over another.
Uh and they've been teaching this multiculturalism stuff in the schools long enough that they're about thirty percent of the people who actually buy this ought here.
And I can tell you we did put this up for a vote.
And the vote was shall this uh cross be preserved by giving it the land to the Fed so that it can be incorporated as a national war memorial.
And we got seventy-six percent of the vote.
But the problem was twenty-four percent of the people actually believed in this multicultural stuff that no, no, no, we can't favor one religion over another.
We must ban all religions except those that we must understand, like Islam, and then we're gonna incorporate Islam so they won't kill us.
Turn that counterpoint on them just uh by the uh basis of the law that you brought up the five oh nine or something with the native cultures.
Yeah.
That five oh nine is exactly what you said about white and black fountains.
That particular law is exactly that, and I would turn that on uh against them in that and that point as a counterpoint.
You want that point?
Yeah, exactly what we're doing.
Exactly what we're doing.
John, thank you so much.
Uh we're gonna need good luck.
Otherwise we're gonna all be, as we have said on the local show, chained to that cross because they're not going to tear it down, even if we get to a point where where a uh federal judge says, No, no, no, this is the law.
You know what?
Sometimes the law is wrong.
Had I been around on the Dred Scott decision, wait a minute, the judge says, Wait a minute.
Uh yes, you may not ag just you may not agree with slavery, but slaves are property, and property must be returned when it goes away.
It's like a runaway dog, you find the dog, you return it to its owner.
You find the slave, you return it to its owner.
I would have had to say I'm sorry, uh, along with Lincoln and others.
No, uh that's not right.
Now, that may be your interpretation of the law.
You may be the Supreme Court justice, you may have that interpretation, but you know what?
It ain't right.
And this one isn't either.
Tearing down a cross in the name of religious freedom.
I'm Roger Hedgecock on the Rush Show.
Back with more after this.
All over the news today about the seven arrested uh would-be terrorists down in the Miami area.
Nobody's yet has asked the question I hope someone will ask sooner or later.
Just where did they get these ideas that uh the uh country is evil and that they are enemies of the country they live in.
I mean, it it's either it's either got to be the Washington Post or the New York Times or CBS.
It's gotta be one of them.
Hey, good news, I want to leave with good news this fourth of July.
The uh independent women's forum says America is better than ever.
The quality of life is higher than at any time in our history.
Crime and poverty rates are the lowest ever.
We're healthier, wealthier, and safer as Americans than we have ever been.
Boy, this group is gonna be marginalized down to the uh to the last comma talking about uh the United States so well.
Coming up uh on Monday, uh Paul W. Smith from WJR in Detroit will be here doing the uh Rush show.
Uh wherever you are in this great country of ours, enjoy yourselves in uh and you know it's a great country, and you know in your own community that it's a great country as well.
Uh don't listen to the mainstream media and expect to hear that, though.
I'm Roger Hedgecock.
It's been a pleasure and a privilege sticking uh in here for Rush Limbaugh in the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies.
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