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Nov. 21, 2005 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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November 21, 2005, Monday, Hour #3
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The email address is rush at EIBNet.com is uh an air emergency going on.
It's been going on for the past hour and a half out near Portland, Oregon, actually Hillsboro, Oregon.
Uh the Nike corporate jet, a Gulf Stream 5 has a landing gear problem.
The right side gear, the main gear on the right side, uh is just barely showing the nose gear, nose gear and the left side wings main gear is both down.
Uh they've got a problem uh they're flying around burning off fuel now, and they're also on the phone with a Gulf Stream mechanics trying to figure out a procedure for lowering the uh that gear.
Now I frankly this kind of surprises me because there's so much redundancy on these Gulf Streams that uh it it it it amazed me.
I remember uh flying EIB one uh from here to Los Angeles like three years ago, and we had a slow hydraulic fuel leak.
Hydraulic uh f uh uh system leak.
And we had to turn around.
We weren't gonna turn around over Louisiana and get back, and we were going to run out of hydraulics before we got back.
And uh so I pilots come back explain the situation to me, and I said, What if we run out we can't get the gear down?
Don't worry about the gear.
They're two redundancies to blow the gear down, and they showed me the system up in the cockpit that gets the gear down even without hydraulics.
Now, I don't know what this this doesn't look like a hydraulic problem because they're able to fly the airplane.
But uh there is uh there's a system that blows those gear down even without hydraulics, and apparently that one didn't work uh on the but there's there's so much redundancy here.
The thing is just stuck.
And uh, you know, you you can't you can't retract the gear individually.
You can't retract the left side main gear so that uh only the nose gear is down.
You can put them all down or all up.
And uh there I know they're on the phone with a Gulf stream trying to figure out a way to get that uh that gear down.
Now, some of these networks are showing pictures that are not Gulf streams right now.
Uh but the uh it's a great jet.
It's thirteen hours uh nonstop, it'll go from Tokyo to New York and back nonstop, not round trip nonstop, but uh it's a great airplane.
Well, the the we got back with no problem.
And the the the redundant system lowered the gear, worked.
It's I I forget how it was explained to me, but it's it's uh it was it was comparable, you know.
When the guys went to the moon, they landed on the moon and and they had to launch from the moon to get back up to the orbiting uh uh capsule, and of course they had they had to test that engine.
I mean, you get one chance to fire that engine when you're on the moon.
And they had to come up with a no-fail engine, a no-fail switch.
Because you can't you can't fire the switch and it not work on the moon.
I mean, it's it's got to work.
And they they must have fired this engine in tests uh, you know, hundreds of thousands of times uh before they installed it and put it in.
And I was told that it's a similar type thing.
It's almost like a vacuum switch.
It's it's a uh I for I forget the description, but it blows the gear down even without hydraulics.
You can use it once.
Uh but it never fails, and it didn't that time.
And what was funny because you have to declare an emergency coming in.
We always fire trucks and police officers and still flashing lights following us down the runway.
And I said, Oh no, I don't want that.
Um but it was uh uh it was easily repaired inside of three hours and went back on our way, reloaded the hydraulic fluid and went back on our way.
So I've been watching this eagerly, trying to figure out what in the world they can do to get that gear down, and there's got to be something.
Because if they can't, they're gonna have to land on that right wing.
And that's where the fuel tanks are, right side and left side uh uh wings, as that's why they're burning off as much of it as uh as they can, just flying in circles.
Uh and they're doing flybys so that people on the ground can get a close look at that right side main gear to see if uh see that one thing they could try is retracting it again, retracting all three, and then lowering.
But I'm sure they might be afraid to do that uh in the event that uh because they got two down, that's better than none.
Uh and if they get them back up and then none lower if there's a problem with the whole mechanism.
And I'm just guessing.
I'm just I'm I'm I'm wild guessing on this uh like everybody else is, we'll just wait and see what happens.
But uh they're working on it even as we speak.
And the you know, they've been the news has been saying landing is imminent for the past two hours.
Well, it is imminent.
I mean, they're gonna have to come down at some point because they will run out of jet A up there.
Uh but we've been led to believe this thing's gonna happen in the next two minutes.
And uh and it hasn't.
But it will.
No, they won't do that.
I was gonna say could try to come down on uh grass, but uh that'd be we'll just we'll just wait and see uh what they do.
Time for a C, I told you so.
This from the Houston Chronicle.
Katrina now threatens New Orleans election.
The city has a lot of hurdles to clear and not much time before the February fourth vote, with most of its residents living in storm-imposed exile across the country, hundreds of polling places destroyed, a scarcity of election workers, New Orleans is an election planner's nightmare, but in three months, the ghostly city is scheduled to elect a mayor, a sheriff, and the entire city council.
State and local election officials say a massive vote by mail program could effectively provide access for all voters, regardless of location, but the hurdles are daunting.
Goes on to talk that what this is really all about is that the Democrats in Louisiana are panicked because all of these residents, quote unquote, in forced exile.
I just wonder how many of them are forced exile and how many of them don't want to come back.
But regardless, most of them are Democrats.
And the Democrats in Louisiana are worried sick that they're not going to be enough Democrat votes to affect Democrat victories in Louisiana.
But I'll tell you what, I won't be surprised if on election day somehow the Democrat National Committee finds corporate jets and chartered jets to fly all over this country to pick up New Orleans voters and bring them back to the state to vote.
Heaven forbid they would only hold elections of the people who actually live there.
No, no, no, no.
We've got to go find all the people that used to live here and let them vote.
So forth and so on.
I got to play a little audio soundbite for you uh here.
This is from reliable sources yesterday on CNN.
Howard Kurtz is talking to New York Times columnists, uh columnist Maureen Dowd, who wrote, Are men really necessary?
And Howard's question was this.
When you write something about George W. Bush or Dick Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld, and some of your critics out there decide to take you on, whether it's Rush Limbaugh or uh uh Friedman or David Brooks, uh anybody else, do you feel it's done in a more personal way than if you were Tom Friedman or David Brooks or a male columnist?
I write about this in the book.
Um I do it it does bother me when I write about uh WMD or serious issues or even the problem of um that the Times had in the case of Judith Miller, and then and then uh Andrea Paiser or Rush Limbaugh just immediately switches and said, Well, she's dated so and so.
That is not a logical transition.
I don't care if they take me on and disagree with my positions.
But but to go straight to my love life when I'm writing about, you know, issues of war and faking the war does is not really uh logical.
You know, excuse me, but you know, logic and women, that's a mistake many men make.
The second thing is who is it that brings up her her her her love life all the time?
Who is it that's essentially written a book about it?
It's it's Maureen Dowd.
Now, when she wrote that piece on Judith Miller, we of course I mean, when when she's basically accusing Judith Miller of sleeping with all of her sources, which is what the piece was, I mean, uh all I said about that was, hey, forget this written word stuff, call Vince McMahon, have him set up a ring, and let these two go at it.
Now, I I I uh I have when when I talk about Maureen Dowd, it it pretty much is restricted to the things that she has commented on in uh in her piece, but uh when she's when she's talked about the thing when she's that that essay or that that excerpt from her book that ran in the New York Times Sunday magazine, what else is there to comment on it?
But are men necessary, sex and all this stuff?
And it's quite natural to wonder somebody who has the attitudes that she has she been deeply hurt.
See, I have I have I have confidence.
I shouldn't say this.
I know I shouldn't say this, but I have confidence that that uh how can I say this?
My instincts, I'm I'm I'm not gonna I'm not gonna follow my instincts here, because it would be totally misunderstood.
But I I just I uh I have I think I could show her the right way.
I think I could redirect her.
I I think I think she's just hanging around the wrong kind of guys.
I I I really do.
I I she's she's she she obvious she she she needs she she need no I I know what she needs and she's not getting it uh from from the from the from the clowns that she's running around with.
She's running around with these emasculated guys who are trying to be what they think she wants them to be, and she just written a book about how she hates that.
Feminism is uh is is something that that misled a lot of women and had false promises, it uh didn't tell them the truth about certain things.
She just uh let's just say I th I'm pretty confident I could change her perspective on all of this.
I was gonna use the word tame, but you people wouldn't have understood it.
Back in just a second.
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Uh wanna thank uh Eileen Milliken, uh subscriber at Rush 247 for reminding me uh what it was that the that can blow the landing gear down when you've lost hydraulics, and it's a nitrogen bottle.
It's uh it's it's uh uh it is called a blowdown, and it's a nitrogen bottle, nitrogen pressed compressed nitrogen, you flow the switch and it forces the gear down and then locks them.
And once you do that, uh you have to reset the system for it happens again.
That's what happens after a hydraulic failure.
I mentioned this is not a hydraulic failure, they're able to steer the airplane.
So uh whether the feature would work here and obviously it won't, or they would have done it and and gotten that gear down.
So I was just relating an experience that I had s that was somewhat like this, although uh not this not this bad.
Got an email rush, were you scared with No, you know, I I can't explain it, folks, but nothing about being in an airplane has ever scared me, nor will it ever.
Pilots came back and said we've got a hydraulic leak, got to turn around.
Said, okay.
And I told a flight attendant to get dinner up here now.
I ate a little earlier than I thought uh because we only had about 45 minutes to get back, and I started making arrangements for a backup airplane to get me out of Los Angeles when we landed.
I I can't ext now you put me on a you put me in the ocean and I am uh put me in water and I have a whole different attitude uh about it.
But something about being in an airplane around airplanes, it never has scared me, and not even that did.
Because the pilots came back and say it's no problem.
We'll just use this uh the nitrogen bottle there that's got this pressure, blow those things down, and we'll be cool.
Here's uh Melissa, Las Vegas.
Uh Melissa, glad you called.
Welcome to the EIB network.
Hello.
Good morning, Rush.
Hi.
Hi, you know what I've got Angela from Austin.
She just, you know what, I'm so sick of people whining about this war and what our military is doing when she should be on her knees, thanking God for them, thanking God for their families who support them and the freedom to be able to call you and whine.
Um well, what is it that really aggravates you about them, though?
Isn't isn't it their ignorance?
Yes, you know what?
It really is, because you know, the media isn't showing up.
My nephew, one of my nephews was in Iraq.
He actually re-upped and he came home, he actually sent letters home and said how irritated he was and upset with the media and the other military people he knew of because the women were able to walk around knowing they weren't gonna get raped, children could go to school.
Things that we take for granted that somebody can walk in our house any second, take my daughter and rape her, or kill my child just because they decide they want to kill him.
Well, yeah, no, uh you're well, you're you're illustrating another point, and that is that these people never talk about the barbarians that are our enemy.
They're never talk about their evil.
They never talk about how rotten they are, and the reason they don't is because they were perfectly nice, wonderful normal people until Bush came along and started torturing everybody and and made all these terrorists.
Now there are people who believe this.
That's why I told I told Angela, I can't relate to a thing you're saying.
It does not compute with me.
I don't know how you can intellectually believe it.
You know, I know how you can I'm sorry, it's because she's younger.
As a mother, I'm a mother.
When I was younger, I kind of thought that way too.
Remember, because I I grew up during the Vietnam time.
I thought, oh, this is a terrible thing.
Now that I'm older though, and I I see things differently, especially as a parent, knowing that my child, my children, I have more than one.
My children are running around out there, and they have that freedom to go to school, go to church where they want to go to church, live where they want to live at one time, marry who they want, children, all those things that we take for granted, and I really do blame the media for most of this because they're not telling us the other side of the story.
And it's not fair to our military.
They're gonna come home and be treated like the Vietnam vets were treated, and that is so wrong.
Well, that's not gonna happen.
In the first place, the mainstream press does not have a monopoly anymore, and they're not gonna get away with this.
We're not gonna lose.
They're not we're not gonna bring the true troops home uh in in the in the uh uh in the context of losing and admitting defeat.
It isn't going to happen.
Also, I I don't necessarily totally agree with you that it's just because Angela's young and that that she is naive.
There are plenty of adults, and many of them are professors with tenure at America's institutions of higher learning, and they believe the same stuff.
They are just they are arrogant elitists.
They think they know it all, and they're nothing but a bunch of eggheads, and they don't know but ten percent of the story.
They believe what fits into their world view, and you if you if you understand arrogance and elitism and and ego, we're smarter than everybody else.
Uh then you have a better chance of understanding who these people are.
Then they get their little followers that that traips along after them who really think that they're just being big hearted and and uh uh holding high ideals and uh and then this sort of thing.
And I it it it's frustrating as it can be because it doesn't intellectually make sense.
And and everybody thinks to get through to somebody you gotta get through to them intellectually to make them understand or change their mind or something.
And with with some of these people, it just it just isn't this way.
Um most Americans do not understand.
They just will not systematically understand why other Americans think their country is evil, why other Americans think their country is rotten, why other Americans think their country is guilty, why other Americans think their country deserves to lose.
That just doesn't compute.
People as you have just expressed who have an appreciation for the bounty and the freedom and the opportunity in this country simply don't relate to people who see this country as the root of all evil.
But believe me, they are out there and they are largely teaching your kids, primarily in college, but in other places too, in high school.
It's it's it's hideous.
Here's uh here's Dave and Stowe, Ohio, your next sir.
Nice to have you on the program.
Hey, Rush, it's good to talk to you again.
Thank you, sir.
Um, I just I had to call.
I heard your first hour, and then I had to go to class, but um I heard the you know, you're talking about the whole the Iraqi people wanting us there, and and I have to take issue with the fact that that poll that they're constantly bringing up of eighty percent don't want us there.
I have to take issue with that because that wasn't my experience.
I mean, one of the left.
What poll is this?
Eighty percent of the Iraqi people don't want us there.
There's a poll out there that says that.
Well, I heard it was something about BBC.
I have I know I was listening to the bigger.
Oh, the BBC.
The BBC's as worthless as C B C but I've heard I've heard Democrats also use.
Of course you will.
And and I just got to take issue because the mainstream media uh just flaunts it.
And I actually had experiences where we were when we were pulling out and another American unit was coming in, but I mean, those who have something to lose were very upset.
And actually, there were some guys that actually got teary-eyed by the fact that we were leaving.
They there was an air of of uncertainty, and they were just so upset that I I think as time progresses, if more and more Iraqis become successful, then um by all means they that more and more Iraqis will want us to stay.
So Well, uh uh you know, this this this is this is nonsense.
Now I haven't been to Iraq, but I've been to Afghanistan.
And I know that in Afghanistan, they are paranoid that we're going to leave.
And I have to think the Iraqis are trying to set up a new government, a new country.
They're trying to establish a a uh a nation that is uh rooted in in a form of democracy.
Their actions do not follow a bunch of people who wish we would leave.
It it it's it's a non non sequitur.
It doesn't make any sense, and the people out there saying it uh have the same bias as uh as the things that they're saying about this country being guilty of it.
I'd ignore it all.
All right, I want to take you back, folks.
I want to take you back to the uh CIA leak case.
And I want to take you back to uh very early after the even before the indictment of Scooter Libby.
And I want you to remember, well, I'll tell you in case you don't remember.
What was the thing I said I thought this case would end up being?
This case is gonna be the worst thing the media ever asked for, because they're gonna be subpoenaed and they're gonna be put on the witness stand.
The defense is gonna ask for them.
The defense is gonna want to ask a whole bunch of reporters a whole bunch of questions.
Patrick Fitzgerald did not.
He only asked them questions about one specific area and promised to respect their privacy on that.
He didn't want to, he didn't want as a representative of the government, he didn't he was willing to put Judith Miller in jail because she was acting in contempt, but he offered them all kinds of uh uh what would you say, flexibility.
Yes, I'll only ask you about this one thing, blub.
Well, the defense is not limited by that.
And I said, before this whole thing with Woodward came up, I said, you wait.
This is gonna be the worst nightmare that the media has ever seen themselves become part of.
Then last week, when I am away out of the country, not even I mean, not even possible to be bothering anybody here.
Bob Woodward all of a sudden announced, hey, you know what?
I found out from a government official it wasn't Libby before Libby supposedly told Judy Miller.
Now everybody's running around.
Well, who was Woodward's source?
And it's focusing on Richard Armitage.
Rumsfeld has denied it, Rice has denied it, a number of people denied it.
Richard Armitage, number two at the State Department when Colin Powell was there, has not denied it.
He has been a source, I'm told, anyway, for Woodward on previous Woodward books.
Woodward was out there saying, and he knew about this two years.
He's out there on television.
This investigation is much you do about nothing.
Woodward, and I happen to think Woodward's still right.
I think Woodward's right about this.
I think Woodward's known all along that this was just an item of gossip.
You know, Wilson's wife works at the CIA.
It wasn't a big plan by the administration to destroy Wilson's credibility or expose Valerie Plain.
It was just a gossip item.
And Woodward's known it all along, and he's on television.
He's on Larry King Alive.
He's on wherever he goes on television, really ridiculing the investigation and saying it's as it's it's overblown, it's overdone, as much ado about nothing.
Then something came along that compelled Woodward, Woodward's source actually, hey, wait a minute.
We just had a guy indicted here under a false premise.
And I gotta go for the the source asks Woodward for a release, vice versa, something like that, and and uh and Woodward uh uh uh says, okay, but but the source says I'll go I'll I'll tell the prosecutor, but but you can't tell anybody who I am.
So Woodward goes last week and testifies for two hours.
The prosecutor now Woodward is finding out what it's like to be an enemy in the mainstream press.
Now they just don't know what to make of this.
How could their hero, Bob Woodward of Watergate, how could he be involved in this?
How could Bob Woodward be doing this?
We had it all lined up, we're gonna get Libby, and then we're gonna get Cheney, and then we're gonna get Bush, and then we're gonna let Rove, and Woodridge come along and screwed it all up.
Now it's gotten to the point where the Washington Post ombudsman wrote a piece in yesterday's paper, savaging Woodward, savaging the paper.
How dare he be allowed to operate under different pretenses?
He's just a reporter here like everybody else is, and they there's actual line in there.
Just because he's rich and famous doesn't mean he gets special treatment.
And I'm just rubbing my hands together in glee.
Because Woodward is not a conservative.
He's not a Republican, and yet he's been tarred and feathered now with the rich and famous line.
And all these people at the Washington Post.
See what Woodward's been allowed to do, he's allowed to go out and report on all these stories, but he can save his stuff.
It doesn't have to go in the paper.
He can save it for his books, where he makes Boku millions.
Whereas these gumsure reporters have to go out, dig up the dirt, turn it over to the editors, and it gets in the paper and they make their measly 80 or 100 grand a year.
Measly, compared to what Woodward's making with his books.
Woodward's also allowed to make up quotes from CIA directors who are in a coma.
Uh and be paid for that, as in the William Casey uh scenario.
So now we have a a mess of an investigation, and we've got we have we have a prosecutor, Mr. Fitzgerald, who ought to be a little shaken up by this.
Because it's clear, it's clear to me that this prosecutor accepted as gospel everything Joe Wilson was saying and his wife.
It is clear that there was no challenge of them because a whole bunch of people, Woodward could have been subpoenaed, but he never was.
Whole bunch of people could have been subpoenaed, but never were.
Wilson and Plame weren't.
I guess they weren't put under oath to find out whether they were telling the truth or not.
Now the whole reason, the whole reason that Scooter Libby was in the crosshairs this, and I'm not saying I know he's been indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice.
But don't forget that big press conference on Friday afternoon when the independent counsel, despite that, was going on and on and on about how dangerous it is to out a CIA agent's identity.
And it's gonna discourage others from joining the intelligence services.
And despite the fact that Libby was not uh indicted for that, the mis you couldn't avoid the conclusion a prosecutor really wanted everybody to think that that's what Libby was in trouble for.
Well, now we find out that Libby was not the first government official to tell a reporter the identity of Valerie Plame.
Bob Woodward's out there knew it a month before Novak's column appeared.
And so the special prosecutor had to go get a new grand jury and talk to Woodward.
Woodward had to apologize to the paper.
He gotta love this.
And I said, I just want to remind you, and this is not a C I told you so.
I'm just, I'm telling you, this this whole case, this trial is gonna end up going places where the press had no idea.
They thought this trial was going to end up proving that there were lies about intelligence going into Iraq.
And even when count when the independent counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, even at that famous Friday press conference, he made a point saying, This, for those of you interested in the war one way or the other, this indictment's not about the war.
It has nothing to do with the war, made it crystal clear.
Didn't matter.
Democrats, media still said that's what this was all about.
Now Woodward's thrown all of that out the window.
And so we get this story in the New York Times November 16th, while I was away.
It's by Eric Lichtblau, journalists said to figure in strategy in leak case.
Well, see, it just proves you don't need the New York Times, folks.
All you need is me.
Lawyers for Lewis Libby, the former White House official indicted on perjury charges, planned to seek testimony from journalists.
Beyond those cited in the indictment, and will probably challenge government agreements, limiting their grand jury testimony, people involved in the case said Tuesday.
A lawyer close to the defense who spoke on condition of anonymity said, There's clearly going to be part of the strategy, you bet, to get access to all the relevant records and determine what did the media really know.
The prospect of another legal battle over access to reporters' records could be worse for the media than the Miller showdowns, and Lucy Douglish, head of the reporters committee for freedom of the press.
You now have a situation where you have a government investigation hung completely on testimony from journalists, with journalists turned into witnesses, and that is a scary notion.
I told you it's exactly what I said was gonna happen.
This whole thing is gonna be a parade of journalists up there, and we're gonna find out what they knew and when they knew it.
And we're gonna find out who they told about Valerie Plame.
Oh.
Folks, I can't wait for that.
And try this.
Love this story.
Headline here, Venezuela to sell cheap oil to U.S. poor.
We remember this story, Hugo Chavez.
This was uh a story again.
It ran again recently last week.
Hugo Chavez announced that he will soon begin selling up to 1.2 million gallons of discounted heating oil in poor communities in Boston and New York via his government's 16,000 sitgo oil company stations in the U.S. What Democrats could also be counted on to contribute discounted heating oil in Boston.
Kennedys, do absolutely, H.R. Abster all making speeches on the floor of Congress about a windfall profits tax, as many of them have done, or calling for government subsidies to the poor for heating oil bills as Ted Kennedy has done is just posturing talk when you know you don't have anywhere near the votes to get such legislation passed.
But could Senator Kennedy do something substantive to help the poor with their heating oil bills as Hugo Chavez is doing.
Well, let's go to number 27 best-selling book on Amazon.com, do as I say, not as I do.
Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy by Peter Schweitzer.
By the way, interviewed him for the next issue of the Limbaugh Letter.
It's a great interview.
If you go to the chapter on Ted Kennedy, read past the Kennedy Family Trust set up by Grandpa Joe in Fiji to avoid taxes on the Chicago merchandise mart.
That's on page 80 to 81.
Then read past the Kennedy opposition to the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers approved Cape Cod wind project to harvest free alternative energy and end the Cape's coal pollution and related health problems, a project also opposed by other liberal residents like Walter Cronkite and David McCullough.
There is speculation that they feel their view will be spoiled.
But my guess to the real reason is that the liberals fear the windmills are too closely resembling Christian crosses.
At any rate, if you start on page 89, you will see that the Kennedys own some oil companies themselves.
Arctic Oil, despite the name, drilling in Texas and Oklahoma, Ken Oil and Mokene Oil.
In 1985, Kennedy converted these two companies to royalty trusts, thus avoiding paying any corporate taxes, windfall or otherwise.
That's on page ninety-two of Schweitzer's book.
The Kennedys also have oil deposits in Louisiana as well as mineral rights on properties in Alabama, Florida, and Mississippi.
So it seems that Senator Kennedy is in a position to at least partially match Hugo Chavez's discounts on heating oil to the poor people of Boston and America.
Should we hold our breath waiting for this to happen?
Uh don't try it, folks.
Well, uh well, I'm just telling you, I'm just telling you, don't hold your breath on the Kennedys helping out here.
It didn't work for Mary Joe Copekney, and it won't work for you.
But point is here these Kennedys, all these oil investments.
They own a couple oil companies, they don't pay any windfall profits tax, they've got them sheltered in a bunch of tax trusts and so forth.
And Kennedy's out there bleeding and moaning that we ought to do something to help these people with these high heating oil costs this coming winter, and doesn't offer a single thing from his own company.
We'll be back after this.
How many of you even knew that Ted Kennedy's family was involved in the oil business?
Thanks to Peter Schweitzer, we now know.
Back after this, don't go away.
Let's go to Springfield, Missouri.
This is Claire, and welcome to the EIB network.
Welcome.
Hi, how are you?
Fine, thank you.
Listen, I just wanted to make a comment about some of the things I've been hearing about the demonization of anybody who has questioned the motive for this war.
And I believe, and some of the servicemen I have spoken to personally believe that this really was an ill-planned venture.
That the people that bombed the World Trade Center were Saudis.
They were not Iraqis.
That's the problem I Have with it.
And absolutely, I do not agree that we should pull out immediately because you broke it, you buy it.
We have to help these people put their country back together.
But I don't think a good way to win the hearts and minds of Iraqis is to drop phosphorus on civilians.
Well, I don't think that's what we're doing.
But you know, I I let's start at the beginning.
Let's start at the beginning.
You do you think that the people that dropped the bombs in 9 11 were Saudis, they were not Iraqis.
Well, fifteen of them were Saudis, yes.
Yeah.
Well, no, you're right about that.
But but the the war on terror started first in Afghanistan.
True.
We also see what what you're what you're either ignoring or forgotten or don't agree with, one of the three, is the whole doctrine of preemption.
Okay, 9 11 happens.
It changes everything.
We had evidence.
Whitna, there is evidence of Al Qaeda of bin Laden and Hussein working together.
Not a 9-11, but of working together.
It's not a it's not a debate.
It's not arguable.
It has been established.
9 11 Commission established it.
So you have 9-11.
It changes everything.
You've got you've got Saddam out there, weapons of mass destruction, the whole world, every intelligence agency in the world says so.
The UN says so.
Weapons inspectors said so.
We know he had them.
There were 14 UN resolutions demanding he disarm.
He refused.
When given multiple opportunities to disarm, he refused.
He wanted to be the big guy in in uh in the Middle East standing up to the United States.
It was thought we can't take a chance.
Not after what happened on 9-11.
So Iraq was not gone into strictly because we thought Iraqis blew up the World Trade Center.
Nobody ever made that claim.
It was thought that both are in or they they are part of the war on terror, the whole thing.
It's just like Japan attacked us first in World War II, and we didn't first respond to Japan.
We went into the European theater first.
North Africa, Italy, throughout Europe, uh uh parts of uh of Russia, Japan, China.
It was truly a world war.
That's what this is.
And and to try to say you can't take Iraq out and say we have no business going there.
Besides that, uh everybody that's now saying that was the that that we went in there for the wrong reasons agreed with going in when we went in.
This is just a political play that's being made.
And the reason why I say that they are now invested in our defeat is because there's no turning back for them now.
They can't take credit when we win because they have now laid it out on the line, the Democrats have, that the whole thing's illegitimate and unjust.
Therefore, we don't deserve to win it.
There's no other conclusion you can come to than we are invested in defeat.
They they we must lose this.
We deserve to lose because we went there under false pretenses.
Our president lied, all these things.
It's an inescapable conclusion.
Now, it may offend you being lumped in with those people, but that's who they are.
Well, you know, you have to realize too, you have politicians and then you have real people.
And believe me, I I'm disgusted to see people vote for it and then act like they were never for it in the first place.
I I'm not happy about that.
I don't agree with that either.
What I'm saying is that somebody should have stood up to begin with and say, you know what, we better really, really make sure that we're doing the right thing because innocent people do get hurt.
That's the truth.
Oh that is true.
Come on.
3,000 innocent people got killed on 9-11.
3,000 people we never once again I haven't heard from you.
One condemnation of the bad guys.
To you, we are the bad guys, and it's frustrating as all get out to me.
Now, I'm gonna you you you say that that you're not rooting for the U.S. to lose.
And I trust you, I believe that you are not.
But the position you're taking is no different than if you were.
If you want a pull out, if you want us to leave, if you want us to get because we're killing innocent people and it was flawed, with the circumstances as they currently are, as they at present exist.
If we pull out as it is now being suggested, we will lose.
And whether you want that or not, by supporting that policy, you are doing in effect the same thing.
You are advocating our defeat.
I know it sounds harsh.
It's not what you intend.
It's not maybe what's in your heart, yours.
But I'm telling you, there are a lot of people on your side.
That's exactly what they want.
And they make no bones about I'm getting emails from them.
We are the evil ones.
We deserve to lose.
We already have lost.
They're coming from these left-wing kook websites.
Make no mistake about the side you're on and who it is that's speaking for you.
Claire, we'll be back.
Thanks for the phone call.
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