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June 20, 2005 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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June 20, 2005, Monday, Hour #3
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I printed this out last night.
I wasn't sure I was gonna use it today, but I've decided I'm gonna use it.
Oh, look at there's there's videotape of Tom Cruise being tortured uh over in Ireland at the uh at the opening of his movie, The War of the Worlds.
Tom Cruise was tortured, folks.
Yeah, they was they they sprayed water on him from uh from a uh fake microphone.
Phony journalists sprayed real water on Tom Cruise, and we of course Time magazine described uh uh uh Gitmo Prisoner 063, the 20th hijacker is uh as having been tortured with water dripping on him.
And uh it didn't just drip on Cruz.
I mean, he was he was literally squirted.
Squirt, squirt, squirt, squirt, squirt.
So we can say Tom Cruise has also been tortured by journalists, fake journalists in Ireland.
Wasn't gonna read this, printed it out, just to have it on standby.
But given our phone call from David in Norfolk, I wanted to read this to you.
It is an obituary from the Arizona Daily Star in Tucson.
And it was from yesterday's the uh yep, June 19th.
It's the um it's the obituary of Corwin Corey William Zimbleman of Tucson, Arizona, formerly of Champaign, Illinois.
Age 53, born April 18th, 1952, to the late Willard and Gilda Zimbleman, died June 10th, 2005.
Throughout his life, Corey was an extraordinary artist.
His artistic talent and imagination would bring awe to all who viewed his work.
His work graces an LP cover uh and numerous books.
Using computer-aided design, he designed home and business exteriors, interiors, and furniture for several architectural firms.
His talent went beyond the fine arts as he added sculpturing, woodworking, metals, and other mediums to his repertoire.
Having never gained the recognition he deserved in his lifetime, his family hopes to publish a book of his works.
Another of his passions was herpetology.
As a child, he was always bringing home reptiles.
His friends nicknamed him Snake.
He even built a turtle pond in his backyard.
An avid atheist, he studied the Bible and religion with more fervor than most Christians.
He had strong political opinions and followed Amy Goodman's radio broadcast Democracy Now.
Who's that?
I've never Oh wait, never mind.
Alas, I'm I'm I'm reading verbatim from the obituary here, folks.
Alas, the stolen election of 2000 and living with right-winged Americans finally brought Corey to his early demise.
Stress from living in this unjust country brought about several heart attacks, rendering him disabled.
Corey, a great man, so very talented, compassionate and intelligent, dedicated to the arts and humanities and the environment, will Be greatly missed by his wife, family, and friends.
And his turtles, Heidi, Skinhead and Studley, and his many other pets.
A memorial service will be held tomorrow at 6 to 9 p.m., please call this number for information.
Cremation has taken place.
So Corey Williams Zimbleman, dead at the age of 53 due to stress from living in this unjust country, which brought about several heart attacks, rendering him disabled.
The close election, stolen election of 2000, and living with right-winged Americans finally brought him to his early demise.
This is from the um Tucson newspaper, the Arizona Daily Star.
No uh no comment necessary.
Well, you might say, if only we have national health care, uh, Corey might have survived.
We don't know.
I I don't want to, I I really don't want to add any comments, Mr. Snerdley, uh, to this.
It just speaks for itself.
Uh, New York Times story today.
For those of you concerned about all that we're doing down at Gitmo.
Marines on an operation to eliminate insurgents in Iraq that began Friday broke through the outside wall of a building in a small rural village, Karabila, to find a torture center equipped with electric wires, a noose, handcuffs, a 574-page jihad manual, and four beaten and shackled Iraqis.
The American military has found torture houses after invading towns heavily populated by insurgents, i.e., terrorists like Fallujah, where the anti-insurgent assault last fall uncovered almost 20 such torture houses.
But rarely have they come across victims who've lived to tell the tale.
How did this story get past the editors at the New York Times?
Because that's where this story is.
Now you want to find out what's being done by the enemy.
Read this story in the New York Times.
Torture houses all over the country, featuring electric wires, nooses, handcuffs, a 574-page jihad manual.
Four beaten and shackled Iraqis that what makes them different and what sets them apart is that they're still alive to tell the story.
And we have to sit here and listen to you liberals whine on and on and on about how horrible the U.S. is.
And while we're doing these rotten things at Gitmo, I guess next we'll hear that these torture houses exist because of Gitmo.
Because we had Gitmo, because we did Abu Grab.
No, not the case.
This is who the enemy is.
This is who they are.
Just like a Democrat's a Democrat, a terrorist is a terrorist.
And who are their prisoners?
Innocents.
This is why I was so struck by what McCain said.
He thinks that if we shape up at Gitmo, then everybody else that's taken prisoner in another war, Americans and others will be treated better.
Well, we're not even talking about American prisoners of war who are soldiers.
What about innocent civilians?
That's who these terrorists attack.
Be it in Israel, be it in the United States, be it anywhere in the world, Al-Qaeda or militant Islamic terrorists, that's who they attack.
Innocents.
Innocent men, women, and children.
They're cowards.
That's who they're torturing.
And that's why it grates on so many, and we know this, and this is why it grates on so many of us to hear all this hand-wringing about how rotten we are in this country.
Because frankly, it's not true, and it's insulting, and it's giving aid and comfort to these very people.
They are sitting there laughing themselves silly every time Durbin opens his mouth, or another Democrat echoes what Durbin says, or some Republican comes along and says, Durban may have a point, we got to really deal with what we're doing at Al Qaeda.
This story goes on and on and on.
It's a very long story.
These, these four people who live to tell the tale, the men said they were told the Marines from Company K, 3rd Marine, 2nd Division, they had been tortured with shocks, flogged with a strip of rubber for more than two weeks, unseen behind the windows of black glass.
One of them, 19, former member of the new Iraqi army said he had been held and tortured there for 22 days.
All the while he said his face was almost entirely taped over and his hands were cuffed.
In an interview with an embedded reporter just hours after he was freed, and I think there's reporters from CNN, he said he had never seen the faces of his captors who occasionally whispered to him, we will kill you.
He said they didn't question him and he didn't know what they wanted, nor did he ever expect to be released.
They kill somebody every day, said the person, whose hands were so swollen he couldn't open a can of coke offered to him by a marine.
They've killed a lot of people and then there's a full account of his ordeal that's part of this story.
Maybe Dick Durbin needs to go over there.
Maybe Dick Durbin needs to go see some of the torture houses.
Anyway it's also preposterous that we're still dealing with this after a week quick timeout we'll be back after this.
Don't go away we haven't heard about this happening in a long time but last time we heard about it happening was down here in Florida.
Now it's happening in Ohio All you really need to know is the headline but I'm going to tell a little bit more than that.
The headline youth baseball team ousted from league for being too good.
No one misbehaved no one broke any rules but only after a few games the Columbus Stars have been kicked out of a recreational youth baseball league in Canal Winchester.
The players ages 11 and 12 were deemed too good.
On May 9th the uh the Columbus Stars beat the Red Sox 18 to zip two weeks later the Stars also beat World Harvest 13 to zip the biggest blowout occurred on May 27th when the Stars defeated Sugar Grove 2 24 to nothing and Sugar Grove 1 lost to the stars the next day 10-2.
After hearing and seeing the scores from that group I called up the league office and I said no way we're going to play them said Terry Morris who coaches one of three teams from Bloom Carroll schools in Fairfield County.
I wasn't going to subject my players to that other teams started complaining too and they started canceling the stars were pulled from the league schedule the team appealed to the league's commissioner Joe Brnowski to no avail.
Starz coach Jerry Glick said the ouster's unjustified thinks his team should have been credited with wins for the forfeits.
I've been an amateur sports for 35 years said Glick 55 this isn't something I've had to deal with before.
Michael Moronis board chairman for the Canal Winchester Joint Recreation District returned the stars 150 entry fee.
Said it would be wrong for other teams to bolt from the decade old recreational league when in his view the stars should play in a travel league against better teams.
They just they're just beating these kids up it's no fun for the kids that are losing no losing never is funny most of us will lose more often in life than we will win.
Now you remember the last time this happened it was a football story and it was down somewhere in Miami or Fort Lauderdale or something but they actually in this case that team of kids was so good that they gave the other team something like 20 points Brian the the good team started out minus 20 or minus 21 that that's what the game started at.
They spotted the other team 21 points and it still didn't help and they still said it was not fair and so forth.
And it it's just one of the one of the teams they beat reminded me of a story.
They beat the Georgian Heights Redhawks I was I played golf Saturday I was uh I was I play golf up at Wingfoot and I I went up there Friday night and by the way I hit two of the best shots in a row well not in a row but hole 17 and 18 on the east course play no we play the west course the the course the U.S. Open will be on next year.
Twenty-one yard wide fairways Brian already growing the rough it's already three inches high by next year it'll be eight they're never going to find a golf ball in there.
Anyway we're on the I guess it's the back nine uh no it's it is number number uh number eight eighth hole I'm I see this red tail hawk skimming about maybe six feet off the ground you don't often see them that low so you look at them and I was mesmerized the thing swooped down and just picked up a squirrel in its talons and flew up to the top of a tree, and that's the last we saw the squirrel.
That bird just literally picked up a squirrel in its talons and flew up there.
And I was telling at dinner Saturday night, I was telling some people about this story.
And uh and uh some of the well, one of the one of the women is uh just groaned and acted, oh, it's horrible, horrible.
Guess that's nature.
And I said, Yep, animal rights.
On full-fledged display as the red tail hawk swoops down and scoops up that uh that squirrel.
Bill in Columbia, Maryland.
I'm glad you waited, sir.
Welcome to the program.
Thank you very much, Rush, for taking my call.
I am a liberal democrat, and I'm also a retiree from the United States Army.
Well, congratulations and welcome to the program, sir.
Well, thank you.
Uh well, first of all, I want to say, as a liberal democrat, I think Durban's remarks are totally off the wall.
There's not one shred of evidence to suggest that our treatment of prisoners down there has any correlation between Nazi Germany or the former Soviet gulag.
And I do believe that he should apologize to the Congress.
I doubt that he will, but I think that he should.
Well, McCain says he will by next Sunday or else.
I know I heard that.
But in any case, with all of those things said, though, I still think it's time to try these guys down there or let them go.
Now, personally, I think they should be tried by military tribunal.
But however one wants to hammer it out, whether it's by military tribunal or by civilian court in the United States, I think they should be tried, and this process should move on.
You know, whatever is going on down there, right or wrong, uh unfortunately is not really so much the issue, but what the rest of the world feels is the issue.
And the rest of the world, we're we're looking bad here.
We're keeping these guys detained for a long time.
Try them, either execute them, put them back in the general POW population, stick them in prison forever in the United States, or let them go.
Well, you know, this is the one thing I have trouble with.
I mean, I I'd I'd be all for military tribunals, but but uh a number of uh federal judges have interceded and and uh and said that uh military tribunals are will not count that uh they have to be tried in the U.S. justice system, and that that's all still under appeal, and that would backlog the justice system even worse than it is now.
But the one thing that you said, and a lot of other people say that I I really seriously here have a big problem with, and that is this so-called image that we are creating for ourselves around the world.
This is no different than what we've done in any other time during wartime.
I think what's missing here is the notion that we are at war.
We're trying to pre-create an i uh a circumstance here where 9-11 didn't happen, that this is all associated with the war in Iraq, and we have no reason to be capturing these guys and bringing them back here.
We have no reason for this, and that that's the wrong context.
We didn't care what anybody thought of us in World War II when we interned those Japanese citizens, 110,000.
We didn't care what we did, nobody we didn't care what anybody else thought of us uh as we marched around the world uh ridding the world of Hitler and Mussolini and the rest of the bunch.
I don't understand now why everybody's so concerned.
In fact, it's the other way around of it.
Why are we so concerned about what a bunch of people who don't grant women full human rights and what they think of us?
Why are we so concerned about people who will strap their own kids with bombs at age five and six, send them onto a bus, and blow up innocent women and children?
Why are we so concerned what people who get uh executed uh uh I remember a story from Saudi Arabia of a woman got raped and her father slit her throat because she had dishonored her family by being raped.
Why do we care what people like this think of us?
Well, Rush, we shouldn't care what people like this think of us.
But I think in order to cooperate with the different intelligence services around the world, even though these guys like the German, the British well, the British, of course, have troops in the Middle East.
Uh I I think it's necessary to make some concessions.
I mean, after all, we won World War II, not just as Americans, but that al as allies.
And, you know, sometimes it's it's not always pleasant to have to retreat on a moral front.
But perhaps in order to get cooperation from some of these countries, perhaps we you know this has become a thorny issue.
Maybe it's time to get rid of this thorny issue.
Well, I keep hearing that too.
You know, the the we need to get cooperation.
We're not going to get cooperation from any country no matter what we do, if they're predisposed to hate George Bush, or if they're predisposed to be biased toward the United Nations.
World War II, yeah, we had allies.
Look at the French.
They surrendered.
We basically had allies.
We have Great Britain.
We had a number of other allies, but but there were a lot of other nations aligned against us, and we did not make concessions to hold those other nations inclined to be less obtrusive or mean or whatever seems to be the thinking here.
This is not just about intelligence gathering.
This is about fighting a war and winning it.
And this preoccupation with what people think of us.
I know in life, an individual who goes through life that way will never be who that individual is.
You're going to always be miserable and unhappy because you're you're letting other people define your happiness for you.
And it's same thing here.
It makes no sense to me.
We are at war, it seems.
What an absolute pain in the rear.
Anyway, we're back.
Great to have you with us.
Joe Biden brought up this uh this silly business here.
There's a story in the Washington Times Congress.
Congress likely to define war detainees.
Oh, that's even better now.
But Biden, in page two of this story, says, we have to deal with the 1.2 billion Muslims in the world.
And guess what, General?
We're doing real badly.
We're doing real badly on that part of the war.
Matter of fact, it's a disaster.
Again, would somebody explain to me why we need to be concerned with a bunch of people who strap their own kids with bombs and send them out to blow themselves up along with others.
Who kill and slit the throats of their own daughters if they're raped?
What in the world do we need to care about what these people think of us?
This I I don't, I think this is just BS folks.
I think this is just the latest way that they are playing on this America.
Everybody in America's in therapy.
Oh, yeah, this we gotta be worried about what people think.
We must be concerned about their feelings.
I mean, what'sn't that why they hate us?
And this is just what the Democrats think is the best way to appeal to the greatest number of people out there.
It's just it's absolutely absurd.
It's no different than being asked what Hitler thinks of us.
We better not do something.
We don't want Hitler to think poorly of us.
We don't want to think the Nazis to think poorly of us.
Dave in Danville, New Hampshire, welcome to the program, sir.
Nice to have you with us.
Hi, Rush.
Sorry about uh, don't want to change the subject on you.
I'm I'm with you on this.
It's one of the things I like so much about George Bush, is he doesn't care really what the rest of the world thinks.
But I called you about the Ohio baseball team.
Yes.
Um just to comment, I mean, I I know um I'm not familiar with that league, obviously, but I know how it works in uh soccer, my kids play.
You know, you've got you've got your recreational players and you've got your competitive or your travel players.
And it just sounds to me like this this guy and that baseball team are probably sandbagging in a recreational league where he has no business being, and they're probably just telling them, look, you know, you you're you need to play at a more competitive.
How can you how can you sandbag with 10 and 11 year olds or 11 and 12 year olds?
Well, you can, Rush, because in at the age bracket, you break them out into what's called recreational players, which are kids literally just having fun and not very skilled, and you have in that same age bracket, you have what's called a competitive or a travel bracket.
And there are there are kids that are the same age that will play in the two different levels.
Yeah.
And that I I again, I don't know what this baseball league is made up of out there, but that's what it sounds like to me is that the guy has no business in a recreational baseball league.
He should be over in a competitive or a travel in the in his age group, uh, baseball league.
Well, maybe could be if you if it if that's really the set of circumstances, but even at that case, even at that case, I I would say that it cannot hurt these kids to play this team.
How do you get better?
It it will hurt the recreational player, Rush.
Yeah, again, it's it's it is different.
You're right.
If he's in a competitive league and he's stomping people, that's absolutely correct.
But it but there are distinctions between the the average, you know, recreational kind of low-skilled player and the competitive travel, you know, high-skilled player.
And they break them up into into categories just for that reason.
All right.
Well, let me read this story and see if it says anything about this uh pull from the league schedule, uh because they're one of three teams.
Uh yeah, you're right.
They were just beating the wreck kids up.
It's no fun for the kids that are losing.
Right.
And and that's that's the truth.
Those kids are not in it.
They're they've chosen not to put it.
Well, wait a minute, but it says also, wait a minute, the Columbus Stars were in the recreational youth baseball league themselves.
The ones that were getting hammered?
Huh?
They were also getting hammered though, weren't they?
No, they were the ones doing the hammering.
Oh, yeah, right.
That's what I think the ones doing the hammering.
Right.
But it doesn't say it doesn't say that they should have been some other league.
Right.
That's what I mean.
I don't know the what the circumstances are, but it sounds to me like they should be either at a higher age group, so it's more competitive for them, or in a in a more competitive league, so it's it's more competitive and more competitive.
Okay, so this the circumstance that you are uh describing is that this coach is sandbagging the rec league by the with a bunch of professionals aged 11 and 12, a bunch of 11 and 12-year-old killers.
That's what it is.
And they're out there and they love stomping on these poor little 11 and 12-year-old amateurs.
Well, they're coming to the city.
And this coach loves kicking butt all over the baseball field.
He doesn't have the guts to go out and face 11 and 12-year-old killers like her on his team.
Exactly.
That's what it sounds like.
Exactly.
Okay.
Uh I I uh well, Columbus is a fairly larger city than the one I grew up in, but I know that when I would play I I played baseball when I was 11 and 12, and there was no such thing as a rec league and a serious competitive league.
It was all one because you mean it just it sounds to me like all the good players end up on this one team in this league, but but I don't know that at 11 and 12 you've got a traveling barn storming eleven and twelve-year-old super pro team uh or semi-pro team.
Uh I I still think I I I still think that it's it's it's uh sending a not a good message uh for the youths of America uh to run around and say if somebody's really that much better than you are, they are gonna get kicked out of the game.
What's gonna happen is you're gonna lose the game if somebody doing what you're doing is that much better than you are, you're gonna lose it.
Nobody and the rest in in anywhere else in life is gonna kick the winner out.
It just doesn't happen.
And if you grow up, if this would happen enough, and you grow up if you keep getting skunked in whatever it is, and you go through life thinking, well, if I get beat really bad, they'll punish the guy beating me that bad by making him stop.
It doesn't work that way.
Other than if you're the U.S. military, then you have Democrats who will try to punish the success of the United States by calling us uh unjust or ignoble or what have you.
Uh I think you know, yeah, I think this is another point, too.
What's going on in these leagues?
Uh mom and dad who send little Amos out there to be on the little league baseball team.
Uh in the old days, not every little 11 and 12-year-old made the team.
Even made the league.
I mean, you had to try out and be in the little league when I was growing up.
Some kids weren't good enough to make the league, much less a team.
And it sounds to me like what might be happening is everybody that goes out makes it, and they create a number of teams necessary to accommodate everybody, and you end up with these so-called less competitive players, actually the ones that were never good enough to make it, or if they did make it, they rode the bench.
Now everybody has to play, and everybody gets a chance, and when that happens, the winners and losers are going to be clearly defined.
And now the losers don't like being, and the coaches of the losers don't like this happening, so they're taking the good guys out of the league.
It's sort of like outcome-based ex education.
The uh smartest kids in the class are slowed down so that they uh uh don't humiliate the kids that aren't learning quite as fast as others are.
Here's uh Tony in St. Louis.
Welcome, sir.
Nice to have you on the program.
Hey, African American Ditto's guy.
Thank you.
Um I just wanted to uh kind of go back before uh to the uh another call of who talked about the image.
And that is just that that is just seems to be such a flawed position.
And I'm so glad that you touched on it uh and not allow him to uh not uh be corrected for that sort of scenario.
Actually, the premise uh uh is is so reversed that we actually have uh uh uh image problem problem if we don't uh get tough, if we don't stand strong.
It seems that when we're uh as liberals.
That's exactly right.
We act like a bunch of wimps, they're gonna think of us as a paper tiger, exactly like bin Laden did at Mogadishu.
Exactly.
It seems that when we when we come across with negative image problem that the liberals say, then all of a sudden everybody kind of cooperates.
When we come with an image problem of dropping bombs and kicking butt in Afghanistan and Iraq, all of a sudden Kim Yang Yo wants to negotiate.
Libya turns over his nuclear weapon program.
Pakistan all of a sudden exposes uh so many things that that could have killed uh hundreds of thousands of people.
Uh so actually it's the image problem of not doing anything that we have that's been been been time tested to to be our fallacy uh that is more prevalent, and I just can't understand how individuals would seem to uh see the opposite as some sort of PR move or some sort of loss.
What they're really talking about, what what what they're talking about, uh Tony, is that we need to make moral confession uh concessions.
And we mean to make we need to make moral concessions.
Um uh and and in order to be understood and not to be disliked or not not to be hated, or to get cooperation from other intelligence agencies or goodwill from the rest of the world.
Could somebody tell me what is moral about releasing back into the world a bunch of vermin like are imprisoned at Gitmo.
What in the world is moral?
What in the world is decent?
What's good?
What would you let a rapist who's convicted and in jail, out of jail just so his his his hometown doesn't dislike you?
Would you subject the neighborhood to the Well, actually we're doing it.
Sex we got sex offenders all over the state here, apparently.
It's a it's the same thing.
How do you make moral concessions with people described as I describe them and then further compound it by releasing into the wild, if you will, the dregs of society.
This is so cockeyed, folks.
It is it it really is impossible to keep up with.
I'm gonna tell you one more time.
I'm gonna tell you as oftentimes, many times as it takes.
If you become obsessed, I don't care as a nation or as an individual, if you become obsessed with what people think of you, and if you do things in your life so that people will not think poorly of you, or so that people will like you, nobody's gonna ever respect you.
Nobody will.
You may have some phony hangers on who claim to like you, but they're gonna see you as a patsy.
Nobody's gonna respect you, and nobody is gonna know what you really believe or stand for if you're willing to subordinate everything you believe in just so somebody will like you.
Just so somebody won't think ill of you.
There's a word for that.
It's called a suck-up.
There are another number of words like apple polisher, I'll keep it clean.
But kisser.
Is that what we want our nation to appear like?
That we have to run around so afraid of what somebody might think of us that we are not willing to do what's necessary to protect our own citizens.
So concerned about what people and by the way, where are the riots?
Where are the Muslim riots around the world over Abu Ghraib and Gitmo?
Where is all this disapproval anyway?
Where is it?
I don't see it.
But even if it was there, we're gonna let that take precedence over protecting our own citizens.
Yes.
To the Democratic Party and the American left, the answer is a resounding yes.
Speaking of Ohio, uh here's David and Dayton.
Nice to have you, sir.
Welcome to the program.
Oh, I'm sorry, Scott.
I'm sorry, I misread that.
Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry.
Welcome to the program.
Hi, it's Scott from Dayton.
Uh yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm sorry, I misread the the computer.
That's okay.
Uh, but uh, we were speaking of uh David, uh or I was, and I would like to uh just let you know my first emotions when when he called and was rambling on and on and on.
I figured, you know, how in the world can this guy be a doctor?
But um I I my initial thought was outrage.
My emotion was, you know, why why does Rush let these guys you know get on here and rant and rave as long as they do?
And then I guess I started thinking, uh, I think you do this on purpose to let people know uh what people like David are thinking if they get through to you and they get to to call you and talk to you, you give them a chance to argue their points, but they really don't have any and it just goes on and on.
Well, there's two there's uh two two or three things at work here, and I'm I'm glad you spotted some of them.
One of them is that we always put liberals to the front of the line when they call.
Uh because for the longest time the liberals put out this tripe that uh I refuse to take calls from them.
The fact is so few of them call, and now we know why.
The second thing is I I there there was no grand plan.
I didn't know this guy was on the phone.
I mean, I I saw that it was a he was a liberal up there.
I had no clue what he was going to say.
I just rode with it.
Frankly, I was laughing myself silly.
I was having such a good time talking to the guy.
The fact that it's proved beneficial is icing on the cake.
Here's a liberal who was I mean, I sit there and tell you every day this is what these people believe.
Here's one on a phone that's actually believes it.
I mean, and and this guy was was just look, there's a there's a I'm gonna go ahead and divulge a secret.
There's a cardinal rule that you learn early as a struggling young talk show host, and that is if somebody calls and wants to be a fool, get out of the way and let them.
And so I just used my professional uh highly trained broadcast specialist judgment here that this was going to be an entertaining call.
If it was entertaining to me, I have empathy.
I figure it's entertaining to others.
I know that a lot of people wait, get these liberals off there.
This is a useful call from one of the.
And by the way, he did not insult me in the first 30 seconds or ever.
You know, most libs don't last in this program because they make me the issue in 30 seconds or less, and then start the insults and the name calling.
I don't have time for that.
But this was this was highly instructive.
I mean, this is a this a call.
One of those calls makes a host look good.
And he was he didn't have one compliment.
This is this is my whole point.
So these things are judged, lickety split.
Folks, there are brain cells that are having activity go on there in split seconds inside my cranial structure.
And I just make these on the spot judgments, good call, bad call, stick with it, get rid of it or what have you.
Uh but in this case, I must be selfish.
I was I was being entertained.
I got a kick out of it.
But I appreciate your analysis of it because um uh I do want people to hear what these people think.
Their own words, in their own words, and we got it all, folks.
We got Halliburton, oil, global warming, Bush and Rumsfeld need to be tried at The Hague.
We had it all.
We no no b there is no God.
We Enron.
Uh Fahrenheit 911, there is no God.
We got it all.
And it took us how long did it, how long?
That call was maybe three minutes?
In in in a sum total of three minutes, we got liberalism as it exists today, fully defined.
What other program offers you that service?
I dare say none.
Back after this.
Don't go away.
An amazing story from a couple days ago from the ABC News.com website, frame up Deem's Den hit in message war.
This is all about how the Republicans are framing up Howard Dean with his comments about I hate Republicans and that's just a white Christian party.
Republicans showered scorn upon Howard Dean when he said in recent weeks the GOP is pretty much a white Christian party, that many of its leaders never made an honest living, that a key Republican is corrupt and should start serving his jail sentence.
Some Democrats publicly disavowed the remarks, their own party chairman, but most didn't.
Experts on propaganda and political branding declared Republicans the winners of the dust up over Dean's comments, calling Dean's attacks imprecise, poorly targeted, and open to mischaracterization.
The result is little surprise to George Lackoff, a linguistics and cognitive science professor at Berkeley, who said the Republican message machine has been far, and and by the way, you'll hear Durban using that phrase, by the way, the Republican message machine has been far more effective in Democrats in recent years at framing the opposing party through disciplined message management.
The reason for this, Dean Flapp says Lackoff, is that you have Republican media people putting this stuff out, combing through the speeches, t uh taking out a quote, taking them out of context.
Uh i it it it just whether the Dean controversy was fueled by Republicans framing his comments or by the comments themselves, the attention paid to it may have revived a media portrayal of Howard Dean as a loose canon.
ABC News.com.
Howard Dean's not responsible.
This is Republican propaganda.
George Lackoff says so.
We take things he says out of quote and then we amplify them.
It's just not fair.
We are more disciplined with our messaging than Dean is.
That's what the Democrats think.
So whenever they screw up and say things that are outrageous, it's Republicans' fault for making them do it.
Have a great Monday, folks.
We'll be back tomorrow to do it all over again.
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