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June 20, 2005 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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June 20, 2005, Monday, Hour #3
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I printed this out last night.
I wasn't sure I was going to use it today, but I've decided I'm going to use it.
Oh, look at there's videotape of Tom Cruise being tortured over in Ireland at the opening of his movie, The War of the Worlds.
Tom Cruise was tortured, folks.
Yeah, they sprayed water on him from a fake microphone.
Phony journalists sprayed real water on Tom Cruise.
And we, of course, Time magazine described Gitmo Prisoner063, the 20th hijacker, as having been tortured with water dripping on him.
And it didn't just drip on Cruz.
I mean, he was literally squirted.
Squirt, So we can say Tom Cruise has also been tortured by journalists, fake journalists in Ireland.
Wasn't going to read this, printed it out just to have it on standby.
But given our phone call from David in Norfolk, I wanted to read this to you.
It is an obituary from the Arizona Daily Star in Tucson.
And it was from yesterday's, yep, June 19th.
It's the obituary of Corwin Corey William Zimbelman of Tucson, Arizona, formerly of Champaign, Illinois.
Age 53, born April 18th, 1952, to the late Willard and Gilda Zimbelman, died June 10th, 2005.
Throughout his life, Corey was an extraordinary artist.
His artistic talent and imagination would bring awe to all who viewed his work.
His work graces an LP cover and numerous books.
Using computer-aided design, he designed home and business exteriors, interiors, and furniture for several architectural firms.
His talent went beyond the fine arts as he added sculpturing, woodworking, metals, and other mediums to his repertoire.
Having never gained the recognition he deserved in his lifetime, his family hopes to publish a book of his works.
Another of his passions was herpetology.
As a child, he was always bringing home reptiles.
His friends nicknamed him Snake.
He even built a turtle pond in his backyard.
An avid atheist, he studied the Bible and religion with more fervor than most Christians.
He had strong political opinions and followed Amy Goodman's radio broadcast, Democracy Now.
Who's that?
I've never...
Oh, wait, never mind.
Alas, I'm reading verbatim from the obituary here, folks.
Alas, the stolen election of 2000 and living with right-wing Americans finally brought Corey to his early demise.
Stress from living in this unjust country brought about several heart attacks, rendering him disabled.
Corey, a great man, so very talented, compassionate, and intelligent, dedicated to the arts and humanities and the environment, will be greatly missed by his wife, family, and friends.
And his turtles, Heidi, Skinhead, and Studley, and his many other pets.
A memorial service will be held tomorrow, 6 to 9 p.m.
Please call this number for information.
Cremation has taken place.
So Corey Williams Zimbelman, dead at the age of 53 due to stress from living in this unjust country, which brought about several heart attacks, rendering him disabled.
The close election, stolen election of 2000, and living with right-wing Americans finally brought him to his early demise.
This is from the Tucson newspaper, the Arizona Daily Star.
No comment necessary.
Well, you might say, if only we had national health care, Corey might have survived.
We don't know.
I really don't want to add any comments, Mr. Snerdley, to this.
It just speaks for itself.
A New York Times story today.
For those of you concerned about all that we're doing down at Gitmo, Marines on an operation to eliminate insurgents in Iraq that began Friday broke through the outside wall of a building in a small rural village, Karabila, to find a torture center equipped with electric wires, a noose, handcuffs, a 574-page jihad manual, and four beaten and shackled Iraqis.
The American military has found torture houses after invading towns heavily populated by insurgents, i.e. terrorists, like Fallujah, where the anti-insurgent assault last fall uncovered almost 20 such torture houses.
But rarely have they come across victims who've lived to tell the tale.
How did this story get past the editors at the New York Times?
Because that's where this story is.
Now, you want to find out what's being done by the enemy?
Read this story in the New York Times.
Torture houses all over the country featuring electric wires, nooses, handcuffs, a 574-page jihad manual.
Four beaten and shackled Iraqis, that what makes them different and what sets them apart is that they're still alive to tell the story.
And we have to sit here and listen to you liberals whine on and on and on about how horrible the U.S. is and while we're doing these rotten things at Gitmo.
I guess next we'll hear that these torture houses exist because of Gitmo, because we had Gitmo, because we did Abu Ghraib.
No, not the case.
This is who the enemy is.
This is who they are.
Just like a Democrat's a Democrat, a terrorist is a terrorist.
And who are their prisoners?
Innocents.
This is why I was so struck by what McCain said.
He thinks that if we shape up at Gitmo, then everybody else that's taken prisoner in another war, Americans and others will be treated better.
Well, we're not even talking about American prisoners of war who are soldiers.
What about innocent civilians?
That's who these terrorists attack.
be it in Israel, be it in the United States, be it anywhere in the world, al-Qaeda or militant Islamic terrorists, that's who they attack.
Innocents.
Innocent men, women, and children.
They're cowards.
That's who they're torturing.
And that's why it grates on so many, and we know this, and this is why it grates on so many of us to hear all this hand-wringing about how rotten we are in this country.
Because frankly, it's not true and it's insulting and it's giving aid and comfort to these very people.
They are sitting there laughing themselves silly every time Durbin opens his mouth or another Democrat echoes what Durbin says or some Republican comes along and says, Durbin may have a point.
We got to really deal with what we're doing at Al-Qaeda.
This story goes on and on and on.
It's a very long story.
These four people who lived to tell the tale, the men said they were told, the Marines from Company K, 3rd Marine 2nd Division, they had been tortured with shocks, flogged with a strip of rubber for more than two weeks, unseen behind the windows of black glass.
One of them, 19, former member of the new Iraqi army, said he had been held and tortured there for 22 days.
All the while he said his face was almost entirely taped over and his hands were cuffed.
In an interview with an embedded reporter just hours after he was freed, and I think this reporter is from CNN, he said he had never seen the faces of his captors who occasionally whispered to him, we will kill you.
He said they didn't question him and he didn't know what they wanted, nor did he ever expect to be released.
They kill somebody every day, said the person whose hands were so swollen he couldn't open a can of Coke offered to him by a Marine.
They've killed a lot of people.
And then there's a full account of his ordeal.
That's part of this story.
Maybe Dick Durbin needs to go over there.
Maybe Dick Durbin needs to go see some of the torture houses.
Anyway, it's all so preposterous that we're still dealing with this after a week.
Quick timeout.
We'll be back after this.
Don't go away.
Well, we haven't heard about this happening in a long time, but last time we heard about it happening was down here in Florida.
Now it's happening in Ohio.
All you really need to know is the headline, but I'm going to tell a bit more than that.
The headline, youth baseball team ousted from league for being too good.
No one misbehaved.
No one broke any rules, but only after a few games, the Columbus Stars have been kicked out of a recreational youth baseball league in Canal Winchester.
The players ages 11 and 12 were deemed too good.
On May 9th, the Columbus Stars beat the Red Sox 18 to zip.
Two weeks later, the Stars also beat World Harvest 13 to zip.
The biggest blowout occurred on May 27th when the Stars defeated Sugar Grove 2 24 to nothing, and Sugar Grove 1 lost to the Stars the next day, 10 to 2.
After hearing and seeing the scores from that group, I called up the league office and I said, no way we're going to play them, said Terry Morris, who coaches one of three teams from Bloom Carroll Schools in Fairfield County.
I wasn't going to subject my players to that.
Other teams started complaining too, and they started canceling.
The stars were pulled from the league schedule.
The team appealed to the league's commissioner, Joe Bernowski, to no avail.
Stars coach Jerry Glick said the ouster's unjustified, thinks his team should have been credited with wins for the forfeits.
I've been in amateur sports for 35 years, said Glick, 55.
This isn't something I've had to deal with before.
Michael Moronis, board chairman for the Canal Winchester Joint Recreation District, returned the stars $150 entry fee.
Said it would be wrong for other teams to bolt from the decade-old recreational league when, in his view, the stars should play in a travel league against better teams.
They're just beating these kids up.
It's no fun for the kids that are losing.
No, losing never is fun.
Unfortunately, most of us will lose more often in life than we will win.
Now, you remember the last time this happened, it was a football story, and it was down somewhere in Miami or Fort Lauderdale or something.
But they actually, in this case, that team of kids was so good that they gave the other team something like 20 points, Brian.
The good team started out minus 20 or minus 21.
That's what the game started at.
They spotted the other team 21 points, and it still didn't help.
And they still said it was not fair and so forth.
And it's just, yeah, one of the teams they beat reminded me of a story.
They beat the Georgian Heights Redhawks.
I played golf Saturday.
I played golf up at Wingfoot, and I went up there Friday night.
And by the way, I hit two of the best shots in a row.
Well, not in a row, but a whole 17 and 18 on the East Course.
No, we play the West Course, the course the U.S. Open will be on next year.
21-yard-wide fairways, Brian.
They're already growing the rough.
It's already three inches high by next year.
It'll be eight.
They're never going to find a golf ball in there.
Anyway, we're on the, I guess it's the back nine.
No, it is number eight, eighth hole.
I see this red-tailed hawk skimming about maybe six feet off the ground.
You don't often see them that low.
So you look at them and I was mesmerized.
The thing swooped down and just picked up a squirrel in its talons and flew up to the top of a tree.
And that's the last we saw the squirrel.
That bird just literally picked up a squirrel in its talons and flew up there.
And I was telling at dinner Saturday night, I was telling some people about this story.
And some of the, well, one of the women just groaned and acted, oh, it's horrible, horrible.
I guess that's nature.
And I said, yep, animal rights.
On full-fledged display as the red-tailed hawk swoops down and scoops up that squirrel.
Bill in Columbia, Maryland.
I'm glad you waited, sir.
Welcome to the program.
Thank you very much, Rush, for taking my call.
I am a Liberal Democrat, and I'm also a retiree from the United States Army.
Well, congratulations and welcome to the program, sir.
Well, thank you.
Well, first of all, I want to say as a Liberal Democrat, I think Durbin's remarks are totally off the wall.
There's not one shred of evidence to suggest that our treatment of prisoners down there has any correlation between Nazi Germany or the former Soviet gulag.
And I do believe that he should apologize to the Congress.
I doubt that he will, but I think that he should.
McCain says he will by next Sunday or else.
I know, I heard that.
But in any case, with all of those things said, though, I still think it's time to try these guys down there or let them go.
Now, personally, I think they should be tried by military tribunal, but however, one wants to hammer it out, whether it's by military tribunal or by civilian court in the United States, I think they should be tried and this process should move on.
You know, whatever is going on down there, right or wrong, unfortunately is not really so much the issue, but what the rest of the world feels is the issue.
I mean, the rest of the world, we're looking bad here.
We're keeping these guys detained for a long time.
Try them, either execute them, put them back in the general POW population, stick them in prison forever in the United States, or let them go.
Well, you know, this is the one thing I have trouble with.
I mean, I'd be all for military tribunals, but a number of federal judges have interceded and said that military tribunals will not count, that they have to be tried in the U.S. justice system.
And that's all still under appeal.
And that would backlog the justice system even worse than it is now.
But the one thing that you said, and a lot of other people say, that I really seriously here have a big problem with, and that is this so-called image that we are creating for ourselves around the world.
This is no different than what we've done in any other time during wartime.
I think what's missing here is the notion that we are at war.
We're trying to create a circumstance here where 9-11 didn't happen, that this is all associated with the war in Iraq.
And we have no reason to be capturing these guys and bringing them back here.
We have no reason for this.
And that's the wrong context.
We didn't care what anybody thought of us in World War II when we interned those Japanese citizens, 110,000.
We didn't care what we did.
We didn't care what anybody else thought of us as we marched around the world, ridding the world of Hitler and Mussolini and the rest of the bunch.
I don't understand now why everybody's so concerned.
In fact, it's the other way around of it.
Why are we so concerned about what a bunch of people who don't grant women full human rights and what they think of us?
Why are we so concerned about people who will strap their own kids with bombs at age five and six, send them onto a bus and blow up innocent women and children?
Why are we so concerned what people who get executed?
I remember a story from Saudi Arabia of a woman got raped and her father slit her throat because she had dishonored her family by being raped.
Why do we care what people like this think of us?
Well, Rush, we shouldn't care what people like this think of us.
But I think in order to cooperate with the different intelligence services around the world, even though these guys like the Germans, the British, well, the British, of course, have troops in the Middle East, I think it's necessary to make some concessions.
I mean, after all, we won World War II, not just as Americans, but as allies.
And, you know, sometimes it's not always pleasant to have to retreat on a moral front.
But perhaps in order to get cooperation from some of these countries, perhaps we, you know, this has become a thorny issue.
Maybe it's time to get rid of this thorny issue.
Well, I keep hearing that too.
You know, we need to get cooperation.
We're not going to get cooperation from any country, no matter what we do, if they're predisposed to hate George Bush or if they're predisposed to be biased toward the United Nations.
World War II, yeah, we had allies.
Look at the French.
They surrendered.
We basically had allies.
We have Great Britain.
We had a number of other allies, but there were a lot of other nations aligned against us, and we did not make concessions to hold those other nations inclined to be less obtrusive or mean or whatever seems to be the thinking here.
This is not just about intelligence gathering.
This is about fighting a war and winning it.
And this preoccupation with what people think of us.
I know in life, an individual who goes through life that way will never be who that individual is.
You're going to always be miserable and unhappy because you're letting other people define your happiness for you.
And the same thing here.
It makes no sense to me.
We are at war, it seems.
What an absolute pain in the rear.
Anyway, we're back.
Great to have you with us.
Joe Biden brought up this silly business here.
There's a story in the Washington Times, Congress likely to define war detainees.
Oh, that's even better now.
But Biden in page two of this story says, we have to deal with the 1.2 billion Muslims in the world.
And guess what, General?
We're doing real badly.
We're doing real badly on that part of the war.
Matter of fact, it's a disaster.
Again, would somebody explain to me why we need to be concerned with a bunch of people who strap their own kids with bombs and send them out to blow themselves up along with others, who kill and slit the throats of their own daughters if they're raped?
What in the world do we need to care about what these people think of us?
I think this is just BS, folks.
I think this is just the latest way that they are playing on this America.
Everybody in America is in therapy.
Oh, yeah, we got to be worried about what people think.
We must be concerned about their feelings.
I mean, we'll find out why they hate us.
And this is just what the Democrats think is the best way to appeal to the greatest number of people out there.
It's absolutely absurd.
It's no different than being asked what Hitler thinks of us.
We better not do something.
We don't want Hitler to think poorly of us.
We don't want to think the Nazis to think poorly of us.
Dave in Danville, New Hampshire, welcome to the program, sir.
Nice to have you with us.
Hi, Rush.
Sorry to change the subject on you.
I'm with you on this.
It's one of the things I like so much about George Bush is he doesn't care really what the rest of the world thinks.
But I called you about the Ohio baseball team.
Yes.
Just a comment, I mean, I know I'm not familiar with that league, obviously, but I know how it works in soccer.
My kids play.
You know, you've got your recreational players and you've got your competitive or your travel players.
And it just sounds to me like this guy and that baseball team are probably sandbagging in a recreational league where he has no business being.
And they're probably just telling him, look, you know, you need to play at a more competitive game.
How can you sandbag with 10 and 11 year olds or 11 and 12 year olds?
Well, you can, Rush, because at the age bracket, you break them out into what's called recreational players, which are kids literally just having fun and not very skilled.
And you have in that same age bracket, you have what's called a competitive or a travel bracket.
And there are kids that are the same age that will play in the two different levels.
Yeah.
And again, I don't know what this baseball league is made up of out there, but that's what it sounds like to me is that the guy has no business in a recreational baseball league.
He should be over in a competitive or a travel in his age group baseball league.
Well, maybe.
Could be if that's really the set of circumstances.
But even at that case, even at that case, I would say that it cannot hurt these kids to play this team.
How do you get better?
It will hurt the recreational player, Rush.
Again, it is different.
You're right.
If he's in a competitive league and he's stomping people, that's absolutely correct.
But there are distinctions between the average recreational kind of low-skill player and the competitive travel, high-skill player.
And they break them up into categories just for that reason.
All right.
Well, let me read this story and see if it says anything about this pull from the league schedule.
Of course, they're one of three teams.
Yeah, you're right.
They were just beating the wreck kids up.
It's no fun for the kids that are losing.
Right.
And that's the truth.
Those kids are not in it.
They've chosen not to play.
Oh, wait a minute, but it says also, wait a minute, the Columbus Stars were in the recreational youth baseball league themselves.
The ones that were getting hammered?
Huh?
They were also getting hammered, though, weren't they?
No, they were the ones doing the hammering.
Oh, yeah, right.
That's what I mean.
The ones doing the hammering.
Right.
But it doesn't say that they should have been some other league.
Right.
And that's what I mean.
I don't know what the circumstances are, but it sounds to me like they should be either at a higher age group, so it's more competitive for them, or in a more competitive league.
So it's, it's more competitive and more.
The circumstance that you are uh describing is that this coach is sandbagging the rec league with a bunch of professionals aged 11 and 12, a bunch of 11 and 12 year old killers, and they're out there and they love stomping on these poor little 11 and 12 year old amateurs.
Well, they're coming and his coach loves kicking butt all over the baseball field.
He doesn't have the guts to go out and face 11 and 12 year old killers like are on his team.
Exactly that's what it sounds like.
Okay.
Well, Columbus is a fairly larger city than the one I grew up in, but I know that when I was I played baseball when I was 11 and 12, and there was no such thing as a rec league in a serious competitive league.
It was all one because it sounds to me like all the good players end up on this one team in this league, but I don't know that at 11 and 12, you've got a traveling, barnstorming 11 and 12-year-old super pro team or semi-pro team.
I still think, I still think that it's sending not a good message for the youths of America to run around and say, if somebody is really that much better than you are, they are going to get kicked out of the game.
What's going to happen is you're going to lose the game if somebody doing what you're doing is that much better than you are.
You're going to lose it.
Nobody in the rest anywhere else in life is going to kick the winner out.
It just doesn't happen.
And if you grow up, if this would happen enough and you grow up, if you keep getting skunked in whatever it is, and you go through life thinking, well, if I get beat really bad, they'll punish the guy beating me that bad by making him stop.
It doesn't work that way.
Other than if you're the U.S. military, then you have Democrats who will try to punish the success of the United States by calling us unjust or ignoble or what have you.
I think, you know, yeah, I think this is another point, too, what's going on in these leagues.
Mom and dad, who send little Amos out there to be on the little league baseball team, in the old days, not every little 11 and 12-year-old made the team, even made the league.
I mean, you had to try out and be in the little league when I was growing up.
Some kids weren't good enough to make the league, much less a team.
And it sounds to me like what might be happening is everybody that goes out makes it, and they create a number of teams necessary to accommodate everybody.
And you end up with these so-called less competitive players, actually the ones that were never good enough to make it, or if they did make it, they rode the bench.
Now everybody has to play and everybody gets a chance.
And when that happens, the winners and losers are going to be clearly defined.
And now the losers don't like being, and the coaches of the losers don't like this happening, so they're taking the good guys out of the league.
It's sort of like outcome-based education.
The smartest kids in the class are slowed down so that they don't humiliate the kids that aren't learning quite as fast as others are.
Here's Tony in St. Louis.
Welcome, sir.
Nice to have you on the program.
Hey, African American Dittos, guy.
Thank you.
I just want to kind of go back before to another caller who talked about the image.
And that is just, that just seems to be such a flawed position.
And I'm so glad that you touched on it and not allow him to not be corrected for that sort of scenario.
Actually, the premise is so reversed that we actually have an image problem if we don't get tough, if we don't stand strong.
It seems that when we're, as liberals may define it.
That's exactly right.
We act like a bunch of wimps.
They're going to think of us as a paper tiger, exactly like Bin Laden did at Mogadishu.
Exactly.
It seems that when we come across with negative image problem that the liberals say, then all of a sudden everybody kind of cooperates.
When we come with an image problem of dropping bombs and kicking butt in Afghanistan and Iraq, all of a sudden Kim Yongil wants to negotiate.
Libya turns over its nuclear weapon program.
Pakistan all of a sudden exposes so many things that could have killed hundreds of thousands of people.
So actually, it's the image problem of not doing anything that we have that's been time tested to be our fallacy that is more prevalent.
And I just can't understand how individuals would seem to see the opposite as some sort of PR move or some sort of what they're really talking about, what they're talking about, Tony, is that we need to make moral concessions.
We need to make moral concessions.
In order to be understood and not to be disliked or not to be hated, or to get cooperation from other intelligence agencies or goodwill from the rest of the world.
Could somebody tell me what is moral about releasing back into the world a bunch of vermin like are imprisoned at Gitmo?
What in the world is moral?
What in the world is decent?
What's good?
Would you let a rapist who's convicted and in jail out of jail just so his hometown doesn't dislike you?
Would you subject the neighborhood?
Well, actually, we're doing it.
Sex.
We got sex offenders all over the state here, apparently.
It's the same thing.
How do you make moral concessions with people described as I describe them and then further compound it by releasing into the wild, if you will, the dregs of society?
This is so cockeyed, folks.
It really is impossible to keep up with it.
I'm going to tell you one more time.
I'm going to tell you as oftentimes, many times as it takes.
If you become obsessed, I don't care as a nation or as an individual, if you become obsessed with what people think of you, and if you do things in your life so that people will not think poorly of you or so that people will like you, nobody's going to ever respect you.
Nobody will.
You may have some phony hangers on who claim to like you, but they're going to see you as a patsy.
Nobody's going to respect you and nobody is going to know what you really believe or stand for if you're willing to subordinate everything you believe in just so somebody will like you, just so somebody won't think ill of you.
There's a word for that.
It's called a suck-up.
There are another number of words like apple polisher.
I'll keep it clean.
But kisser?
Is that what we want our nation to appear like?
That we have to run around so afraid of what somebody might think of us that we are not willing to do what's necessary to protect our own citizens.
So concerned about what people, and by the way, where are the riots?
Where are the Muslim riots around the world over Abu Ghraib and Gitmo?
Where is all this disapproval anyway?
Where is it?
I don't see it.
But even if it was there, we're going to let that take precedence over protecting our own citizens?
Yes.
To the Democratic Party and the American left.
The answer is a resounding yes.
Speaking of Ohio, here's David and Dayton.
Nice to have you, sir.
Welcome to the program.
Oh, I'm sorry, Scott.
I'm sorry, I misread that.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Welcome to the program.
Hi, it's Scott from Dayton.
Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry.
I misread the computer.
That's okay.
But we were speaking of David, or I was, and I would like to just let you know my first emotions when he called and was rambling on and on and on.
I figured, you know, how in the world can this guy be a doctor?
But my initial thought was outrage.
My emotion was, you know, why does Rush let these guys, you know, get on here and rant and rave as long as they do?
And then I guess I started thinking, I think you do this on purpose to let people know what people like David are thinking if they get through to you and they get to call you and talk to you.
You give them a chance to argue their points, but they really don't have any, and it just goes on and on.
Well, there's two or three things at work here, and I'm glad you spotted some of them.
One of them is that we always put liberals to the front of the line when they call because for the longest time the liberals put out this tripe that I refuse to take calls from them.
The fact is, so few of them call, and now we know why.
The second thing is there was no grand plan.
I didn't know this guy was on the phone.
I mean, I saw that he was a liberal up there.
I had no clue what he was going to say.
I just rode with it.
Frankly, I was laughing myself silly.
I was having such a good time talking to the guy.
The fact that it's proved beneficial is icing on the cake.
Here's a liberal who was, I mean, I sit there and tell you every day, this is what these people believe.
Here's one on the phone that actually believes it.
I mean, and this guy was just, look, there's a, there's a, I'm going to go ahead and divulge a secret.
There's a cardinal rule that you learn early as a struggling young talk show host, and that is if somebody calls and wants to be a fool, get out of the way and let them.
And so I just used my professional, highly trained broadcast specialist judgment here that this was going to be an entertaining call.
If it was entertaining to me, I have empathy.
I figure it's entertaining to others.
I know that a lot of people, wait, get these liberals off there.
This is a useful call from one of these.
And by the way, he did not insult me in the first 30 seconds or ever.
You know, most libs don't last in this program because they make me the issue in 30 seconds or less and then start the insults to the name calling.
I don't have time for that.
But this was highly instructive.
I mean, this is a call.
One of those calls makes a host look good.
And he didn't have one compliment.
This is my whole point.
So these things are judged lickety split.
Folks, there are brain cells that are having activity go on there in split seconds inside my cranial structure.
And I just make these on-the-spot judgments, good call, bad call, stick with it, get rid of it or what have you.
But in this case, I must be selfish.
I was being entertained.
I got a kick out of it.
But I appreciate your analysis of it because I do want people to hear what these people think.
In their own words, in their own words.
And we got it all, folks.
We got Halliburton, oil, global warming, Bush and Rumsfeld need to be tried at The Hague.
We had it all.
There is no God in Ron.
Fahrenheit 911, there is no God.
We got it all.
And it took us, how long did it, how long?
That call was maybe three minutes.
In a sum total of three minutes, we got liberalism as it exists today fully defined.
What other program offers you that service?
I dare say none.
Back after this.
Don't go away.
An amazing story from a couple days ago from the ABCNews.com website, Frame Up Deem's Den Hit in Message War.
This is all about how the Republicans are framing up Howard Dean with his comments about I hate Republicans and that's just a white Christian party.
Republicans showered scorn upon Howard Dean when he said in recent weeks the GOP is pretty much a white Christian party, that many of its leaders never made an honest living, that a key Republican is corrupt and should start serving his jail sentence.
Some Democrats publicly disavow the remarks, their own party chairman, but most didn't.
Experts on propaganda and political branding declared Republicans the winners of the dust up over Dean's comments, calling Dean's attacks imprecise, poorly targeted, and open to mischaracterization.
The result is little surprise to George Lackoff, a linguistics and cognitive science professor at Berkeley, who said the Republican message machine has been far, and by the way, you'll hear Durbin using that phrase, by the way, the Republican message machine has been far more effective than Democrats in recent years at framing the opposing party through disciplined message management.
The reason for this Dean flap, says Lakoff, is that you have Republican media people putting this stuff out, combing through the speeches, taking out a quote, taking them out of context.
Whether the Dean controversy was fueled by Republicans framing his comments or by the comments themselves, the attention paid to it may have revived a media portrayal of Howard Dean as a loose cannon.
ABCNews.com.
Howard Dean's not responsible.
This is Republican propaganda.
George Lakoff says so.
We take things he says out of quote and then we amplify them.
It's just not fair.
We are more disciplined with our messaging than Dean is.
That's what the Democrats think.
So whenever they screw up and say things that are outrageous, it's Republicans' fault for making them do it.
Have a great Monday, folks.
We'll be back tomorrow and do it all over again.
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