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June 16, 2005 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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June 16, 2005, Thursday, Hour #1
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Dick Durbin.
You put a you put a bag of excrement in front of him, he's guaranteed to step in it.
You put another bag in front of him after he's stepped in that bag, and he'll step in it.
Not only is he standing by what he said, essentially calling the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay a death camp, he is refusing to apologize for it.
And this has sparked an outrage all over the country from people who are getting fed up with all of this because they understand the motivation behind it.
Senator Durbin and his party are doing everything they can to damage this country's effort in the war on terror.
Because that will damage President Bush, and that will damage the Republicans.
It is, you know, you can you can say Jane Fonda was one thing, but she, you know, she she was just uh an innocent citizen going over freedom of speech, say what she says and so forth.
Look at the grief that she's caught her whole life.
Here is the number two Democrat in the Senate saying this, who we have to assume is no idiot, but I don't I don't know that that assumption is valid.
I mean, this is this is this is I mean it it's stupid to say it, it's stupid to stand by it.
You know, does Dick Durbin speak for Biden?
Does Dick Durbin speak for John Edwards?
Does Dick Durbin speak for Harry Reed?
Is he speaking for all the Democrats in the Senate?
Uh and of course there's no outrage about this in the mainstream press.
No, no, no, just reporting it.
Well, this is what Senator Durbin said yesterday, but you can't find hardly any references to it in the mainstream press.
Did you, Mr. Snerdle?
Have you seen anything on No, you don't see hardly anything about this.
And yet the nation is outraged.
I wonder why, folks.
How does this happen?
Well, uh, I'm gonna replay you the sound bites uh from Senator Durbin on the uh Senate floor.
This happened on Tuesday uh in just a second.
First, a couple of housekeeping things, if you will.
Uh Club Gitmo and in our our uh brochure uh at rushlimbaught.com now features two t-shirts, ladies and gentlemen.
We put them on sale yesterday, and they are going like hotcakes.
Now the same t-shirt, like a reddish-orange t-shirt, uh, and you can buy one or you can buy both.
One of them says Club Gitmo on the front, and then on the back, your tropical retreat from the stress of jihad.
Uh the other one says Club Gitmo on the front, and on the back it says my Malo winter club gitmo, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt.
And they're both 1995.
They come from sizes small up to double X. And uh we're also we're we're still checking on prices to come up with Club Gitmo bathrobes and uh and and soap on a rope.
Uh, or just soap, Club Gitmo, whichever.
And we've also added the fact that uh kids uh might want to be sent down to Club Gitbow, except Americans, because American kids are not allowed to pray uh in school or anything else, but it's a great place for young jihadists uh to go and and uh take a break from their training.
Also, uh yesterday, ladies and gentlemen, was the latest court hearing on the uh attempt by the Palm Beach County State Attorney to get my medical records to see what, if anything, might be in there that they could charge me with.
They're on a fishing expedition, and by their own admission, uh I am guilty uh and have to prove myself innocent.
They uh they have no idea what to charge until they see the medical records, and there was a hearing yesterday.
What we've done on the website, we posted the motion that we filed with the court yesterday, and it's a PDF file.
It's uh I'd love you to go look at it.
It's about it's uh 1.9 megabytes.
Uh many, many pages, and we'd I'd love for you to read the whole thing, but the the pages that you really need to focus on here uh to get the truth of what's going on here, page two and pages four through nine.
Page two and pages Four through nine.
If you want to find out what all this is.
And we've also posted a couple of newspaper stories, one from the Palm Beach Post today, one from the Palm Beach Daily News, which have a um both have recaps of what went on in court yesterday morning, and they're both pretty good stories.
The AP story and the Knight Ritter story that went out yesterday afternoon, both of them are abominations.
They don't capture at all what went on in the courtroom.
The AP story especially.
AP story is so I I don't know where this reporter was.
This reporter could not have even been in a courtroom to wrote uh write what she wrote, so uh, but it's been out there since yesterday afternoon and last night, and you may have seen that.
Uh and if you have, you have no idea what really went on in court yesterday and what this is all about.
But our motion will give you a clue, uh, as will these two newspaper stories, and they're published now or linked now uh up at rushlimbaugh.com.
So, with that uh out of the way, let's go ahead and listen to Senator Durbin again.
You need to hear this.
We uh we got the audio for this uh in the final hour of the program yesterday, and in just in that period of time, I would say show prep for the rest of the media.
Um it was all over last night.
Websites and just all over the place.
People are outraged.
Durbin's office being swamped with uh with phone calls.
We had phone calls on this program after the audio aired, and people are just livid, and particularly the the the parents of soldiers uh serving in the United States, either in Afghanistan or in Iraq.
Hear it for yourself if you haven't.
We have two sound bites.
They both go together.
So, Mike, what I want you to run these both together.
One's 37 seconds, the other's 31, but play them back to back.
Here we go.
On one occasion, the air conditioning had been turned down so far that the temperature was so cold in the room that the barefooted detainee was shaking with cold.
On another occasion, the air conditioner had been turned off, making the temperature in the unventilated room well over a hundred degrees.
The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor with a pile of hair next to him.
He had apparently been literally pulling his hair out throughout the night.
On another occasion, not only was the temperature unbearably hot, but extremely loud rap music was being played in the room and had been since the day before with the detainee chained hand in foot in the fetal position on the tile floor.
If I read this to you and didn't tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have happened by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime, Paul Potter others that had no concern for human beings.
Sadly, that's not the case.
This was the action of Americans, you know, in treatment of our their own prisoners.
I'm gonna tell you, Senator Durbin, there's not a soul in this country who would have heard what this FBI agent said and associated it with anything done by the Nazis, the Soviets and their gulags, or pole pot, turning the air conditioning off and on, rap music.
None of this would anybody associate with what went on in death camps, Senator.
Not one person, except you, you make this association, which makes us question just how much you know of the enemy we're currently fighting, and how much you know of what actually went on in Cambodia and in the Nazi death camps in the Soviet gulag.
Senator Durbin refused to apologize for comments that he made on the Senate floor.
News of the uh comparison created a buzz on the internet Wednesday, fueled by sound bites of the Senator's speech on the radio talk show like Rush Limbaugh.
Uh Wednesday afternoon, Illinois Republican Party Chairman Andy McKenna asked Durbin to apologize.
Senator Durbin's comments come as a great disservice to our military personnel in Guantanamo.
They also are a great disservice to all U.S. soldiers and veterans who have fought and continue to fight to overcome evil regimes and spread democracy throughout the world.
Durbin's spokesman said that Durbin does not plan to apologize for the uh for the comments.
In fact, Durbin said on Wednesday, this administration should apologize to the American people for abandoning the Geneva conventions and authorizing torture techniques to put our troops at risk and make Americans less secure.
Staffers at the Senator's office took an increased number of calls Wednesday as word of the comments spread.
I wouldn't say we were inundated, but we knew Rush mentioned it because that's when the call started coming in, said Durbin's spokesman.
He later added that Durbin's comments were meant to compare torture at Gitmo to torture during the Nazi regime.
Not equate Americans at the base to Nazis and similar groups.
There's also all this talk out there.
I mean, that that's just a that's a cop-out.
I mean, I don't even need to comment on that.
That's just silly.
I didn't mean to compare them to Nazis and the death camps.
I was talking about torture in the Nazi.
What do you think it was?
What do you call the death camps?
That wasn't torture.
They didn't kill them immediately for crying out loud, Senator.
Go talk to some USPOWs still alive from World War II who were in those prisoners' camps, prison camps, and ask them what happened to them.
It wouldn't be too hard to do.
You guys have such great respect for the greatest generation.
Greatest generation is humiliated by this, Senator.
The greatest generation is embarrassed by you.
The greatest generation is making you're making them fear for the future of the country, those that are still alive.
This is uh and you're causing other people to question your own fitness to be a leader of the United States Senate in this country.
I mean, let me take a break because you know we've had McCain and Specter and a number of other of these pointy heads demanding that we give trials to the in the American judicial system to these prisoners of war.
And I want to take you back to a Supreme Court decision from uh 1950.
To put that in perspective.
All that coming up right after this.
Don't go away.
By the way, folks, I I don't want Durbin to apologize, and if he does apologize, it's not going to mean anything to me.
He ought to stand by this because he means it.
This is one time a liberal is telling you who they really are.
This is another example of a liberal being honest about what they really think of the U.S. military and what they really think of this country.
That's the value of Dick Durbin.
Dick Durbin is telling everybody who the Democrats today really are.
He's identifying all of them.
He does speak for Harry Reed.
He does speak for Joe Biden.
He does speak for Ted Kennedy.
He does speak for John Kerry.
He does speak for Hillary Clinton.
He speaks for all of them.
None of them are are trying to get away from what he said.
None of them are asking him to apologize.
None of them are distancing themselves.
This is who they are.
It is what people like me have been trying to tell you for many, many moons now.
And it's it it doesn't get any better than hearing it from the horse's mouth.
Dick Durbin has just identified who the Democrats are in the year 2005.
Particularly when it comes to American national security and when it comes to the U.S. military.
These are the same people they say they support the troops.
This is how they do it, huh?
They give aid and comfort to the enemy.
They make it possible for Mullah Omar and Omar and uh bin Laden, whoever else is out there still alive, to laugh themselves silly at us.
They mogadishu all over.
Remember what bin Laden said after we cut and run out of Mogadishus?
That's when I knew the U.S. was a paper tiger.
That's when I knew they didn't have the guts.
That's when I knew they couldn't take casualties, and that's what fueled his planning for 9-11.
He has said so.
So, Bammo, here you go.
Dick Durbin, thanks once again for telling our enemies just what a bunch of soft patty cakes we are, and how we'll back away from our own treatment of people, much less back away from dishing it out to people like our enemies.
It's just I mean it's a it's a sight to behold.
I want you to hear Jeff Sessions, the senator from Alabama.
He got in on this.
He's been fabulous on the Gitmo stuff.
He hammered uh uh the Democrats.
He was on Fox and Friends this morning.
And the question, Senator Sessions, member of the Judiciary Committee, I'd love to hear you weigh in on this.
Is Gitmo serving its purpose or is it harming us so much by bad PR that it needs to be shut down?
What is happening that's so wrong and so upsetting to me is that we've got senators and congressmen and other people uh suggesting that we have wholesale violation of human rights at these prisons, and it's not so that 200 of these 500 prisoners have cases pending in federal courts.
They've had multiple hearings to determine whether or not they should be kept there.
They're being treated humanely, And it's wrong for us to send a message around the world from our own members of Congress that uh they're being abused on a regular basis.
And it just makes it tougher for our soldiers who are trying to win the hearts and minds of the people in Iraq and around the world and to convince the people there that we're trying to do right.
I've been thinking about this during the session, the soundbite.
I don't want Senator Durbin to apologize because it wouldn't be honest.
He apologizes, I wouldn't accept it.
I like Senator Durbin saying what he said, but I also think he should resign.
This is the kind of thing that ought to force him to resign in disgrace.
We don't need this kind of obstacle in the United States Senate as the number two man.
He is the whip, the number two whip.
I think it'll whip or whatever, number two whip uh underneath Dingy Harry.
All right.
Now session zero's in on Durbin.
He got the question from the uh the host Edie Hill.
Wanted to ask you about the comments made by Durbin, representative Senator Durbin of Illinois.
He compared what happened at Gitmo to the gulags to Pol Pot to Hitler.
It's incredible.
What was your reaction when you heard that?
Well, it really upset me because this Congress has sent over a hundred thousand American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan to carry out the policies of the United States of America.
First of all, what he said is not true.
It's utterly false.
They millions died under Hitler, millions died on the Paul Pot, millions died under the communist regime, the gulag archipelago.
And uh not one has died in uh Get Mo.
Not one has died there.
They've been given the best medical treatment that the world can provide.
And the best food and air conditioning.
Do you think there is air conditioning in Cambodia, air conditioning in Vietnam for our prisoners of war?
Do you think there was air to be turned on or off?
Was it even there?
It was not.
So the next question to Senator Session.
So why would an American senator say something that's false?
I just think this people are losing their perspective.
We're all caught up in some domestic politics.
Maybe they want to embarrass the president.
And uh they make these statements sometimes, hopefully, they're just not recognizing how serious the consequences are worldwide.
Oh, I think they know.
The pro the the real irony here is that they think what we're doing at Gitmo is the serious consequences.
It's what they're saying that are posing the serious consequences.
I mean, all this garbage about what's going on at Gitmo anyway.
Look, look at one one erroneous story from Newsweek has led us to.
One error in Newsweek about what we were supposedly doing to the Quran is what's led us to this.
Close down Gitmo.
It is just a do we really want our security left to the likes of people like Dick Durbin or any of these political hacks who managed to get elected to high office, like Durbin, like Kennedy, like Spectre.
What do they know?
They're trained to be lawyers and not necessarily good ones, by the way.
So nearly their entire focus is on whether terrorists should be treated like shoplifters.
They don't acknowledge or accept the existence of a military justice system which applies to the enemy, not a civilian justice system.
This is this is as old as the nation's founding.
They do not accept that the purpose of detaining these people is to protect our troops and our neighborhoods, to get information out of them.
And by the way, this sordid, horrible treatment with the air conditioning off and on and the rap music, we got information from the 20th hijacker.
It worked.
But Durbin and Spector and Kennedy and the likes act like after three years of war that these prisoners have some right to be released.
How long are you going to hold these people?
Forever, they ask.
Yeah, we'll hold them as long as they're a threat, just as we hold criminals for life for crying out loud.
We hold prisoners of war in previous wars for the duration of the war.
Then you make deals on their release for crying out loud.
We don't try illegal enemy combatants, just let alone prisoners of war.
We do not do this, and we never have.
And what of all the focus on these illegal enemy combatants?
There are thousands of POWs being held who are not illegal enemy combatants.
Why aren't the leftists demanding that they get lawyers that they brought to the U.S. for trial, et cetera?
And I'll tell you why, because it will become obvious how absurd this entire argument is.
We cannot give thousands of POWs lawyers, uh, have them clog up the courts with claims of improper incarceration or treatment.
So it's much easier for the left to focus on these 530, but there are other prisoners.
Why not bring the people from Abu Ghrab over, give them trials?
Why not get the prisoners in Bagram Air Force Base over in Afghanistan?
Bring them over for trials.
We have prisons all over the world, and there are Islamic terrorists in prisons of other countries.
Why not go get them and assume they're all being mistreated?
Bring them back to the United States for trials because even these guys know you can't do that.
And McCain says put them through the justice system.
Yeah, the Marines who are guarding them.
Turn them over to who?
The U.S. Marshals?
Are they trained in the proper handling of terrorists?
I have more on this, but I've got to take a break.
EIB obscene profit center time.
Be right back and continue.
And welcome back.
Great to have you, Rush Limbaugh, serving humanity, utilizing talent on loan from God.
And guess what I just found on the Al Jazeera website, ladies and gentlemen?
Pray not just praise for Durban, they rehash the whole AP story.
They repeat practically the whole AP story and they praise Durbin for saying what he's saying for being honest.
They praise Durbin for not apologizing.
Way to go, Senator Durbin.
Al Jazeera.
Al Jazeera loves you, Senator Durbin.
Probably more than the people that voted for you in Illinois could ever love you.
Al Jazeera.
I would be embarrassed.
Were Al Jazeera to take my words, blast them all over the Middle East to their audience as a means of amplifying opposition to the United States of America?
So, in addition to all the horrors that we are visiting on our prisoners at Gitmo, like Pol Pot and Nazism and the gulags of the Soviet Union.
McCain and his ilk are saying we need to put these people through our justice system.
We need to give them trials.
Yeah, like I say, the Marines who are guarding them now will turn them over to whom?
The U.S. Marshals?
Are they trained in the proper handling of terrorists?
Who's going to prosecute all of these 530 people down there?
U.S. attorneys?
Has anybody gone to the U.S. attorneys and asked them if it's a good idea, if they've got time to go make cases?
Does McCain believe that all the due process rights afforded U.S. citizens should be applied to terrorists?
If not, which rights should be excluded?
And if you exclude some, are you not denying the terrorists' right to a fair trial?
And if they get convicted, where do we put them then?
Where do we house them?
Uh in our already overcrowded federal prison system.
Anybody ask the Federal Bureau of Prisons what kind of havoc that would create for the ability to keep control over their prison population to bring in a number of these 530 POWs from Gitmo?
And what of the possibility that these terrorists will try to recruit new terrorists from the general prison population?
We know that goes on in prison.
Has McCain considered that that might happen?
It'd be a great recruitment tool to put the prisoners at Gitmo into the U.S. federal penitentiary system.
But if we are, as Durbin says, no better than the Nazis or the Stalinists or Pol Pot, why do we care?
I just have a simple question for you, Senator Durbin.
If we're no better than the Nazis, if we're no better than the Stalinists and their gulags and pole pot, why do we care?
Why do we even feed these prisoners?
Why do we give them Korans?
Why do we give them air conditioning?
Why do we give them all that we give them, such as access to outside groups?
In fact, why are they still alive, Senator?
If we are no different than Pol Pot, the Soviet gulags, and the Nazis, why are these still alive?
Why are you calling Gitmo a death camp when there hasn't been a death at Gitmo?
As I say, it is literally amazing what one little fabricated story in Newsweek by Michael Isakoff can ignite.
This is how, folks, if you want to know how the left-wing propaganda mill works, this is it.
This is precisely how the left-wing propaganda mill works.
Put a little feeler out there that's not even accurate about the Koran.
Then have Newsweek take a big hit for putting something out there that's erroneous.
The left-wing media says you can't attack our guys like that, and they circle the wagons and they begin a death watch on Gitmo.
They search for anything they can find to show that Gitmo is hell on earth, and this is Where we end up.
And this is how the left does it, where whoever their target is, be it in the criminal justice system, be it in American politics, be it in a time of war.
Identify a target, leak a bunch of garbage that's not true.
Have your willing accomplices in the press, lap it up, suck it up, and regurgitate it, create public opinion that leads to a PR crisis that then says, ooh, we have to do something about this when a non-story or a total fabrication was the impetus for the whole thing.
Now, the following is from the 1950 Supreme Court decision, Johnson versus Eisentrager.
This is the Supreme Court writing in its decision.
1950.
We are cited to no instance where a court in this or any other country, where the writ of habeas corpus is known, has issued it on behalf of an alien enemy who at no relevant time and in no stage of his captivity has been within its territorial jurisdiction.
It is war that exposes the relative vulnerability of the alien status, the security and protection enjoyed while the nation of his allegiance remains in enity with the United States are greatly impaired when his nation takes up arm against us.
While his lot is far more humane and endurable than the experience of our citizens in such enemy lands, it is still not a happy one.
But disabilities that this country lays upon the alien who becomes also an enemy are imposed temporarily as an incident of war and not as an incident of alienage.
In other words, 55 years ago, and several years after the end of World War II.
The U.S. Supreme Court recognized that illegal enemy combatants, in this case there's about 21 German nationals, didn't even have a right to access to a civilian court in the U.S. The U.S. Supreme Court found this in 1950.
That all changed last summer, folks, when the current Supreme Court, in essence, reversed course, holding that they do have a right to a hearing, prisoners of war do have a right to a hearing in a lawyer.
And since that ruling last summer, the dogs of anti-war have been unleashed with demands that the Bill of Rights apply to these prisoners and even that they be brought into our own country for trial.
That's why we're where we are in all of this.
There was a time, there was a time in history when those who betrayed their country were drawn and quartered.
Or even later they were tarred and feathered.
In more civilized times, one who betrayed his country is given a choice, pistols or swords.
But now betrayal is greeted with a yawn.
And that's exactly what I mean.
Betrayal.
What Senator Durbin said, comparing our country and our military and our leadership to Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot, in a pure dictionary sense, was not treason, but it almost certainly was betrayal, disloyalty to one's own country.
But Rush, but Rush, but Rush, isn't that free speech?
Well, no.
What Jane Fonda, what Hanoi Jane said, that was free speech.
In a democracy, anybody has a right to say anything they believe, no matter how stupid or misguided.
But Dick Durbin's not as stupid as Hanoi Jane, or he might be.
He has to know what he said was not true.
That's not free speech.
And that's not low-down dirty politics.
It's something far worth.
It's betrayal, it's treachery, it's duplicity what he did.
It may be free speech, but it doesn't change the fact that it's betrayal.
Durbin, Durban spokesman, whoever says he won't apologize.
And I don't want him to.
Durbin, like Harry Reid and Howard Dean are the voices of today's Democratic Party.
In what are hopefully the last days of the Democratic Party.
This is who they are, ladies and gentlemen.
They have made it clear now exactly who they are when it comes to this country and its military.
Oh, yes, these are the same people who say they support the troops.
As some would say, rubbish.
Bull hockey.
This is not support for the troops.
But Rush, but Rush, you can support the troops and not the mission.
No, you can't, favorite liberal refrain, but it fails in quicksand.
But this isn't even support of the troops.
Not when Al Jazeera takes the comments and the story and blasts it all over the Middle East and supports it.
We have a phone call quickly here before we have to go to the break.
We'll go to Bufort, South Carolina.
And Emily, hello, and welcome to the program.
Nice to have you with us.
Hi, how are you, Rice?
I can't believe I'm talking to you.
Well, you are.
Make it count.
Well, I told you a call screener.
I would love Senator Durbin to come down, and he can even stay at my house.
I'll show him that kind of hospitality.
Now we need to get together with all the Marines in Buford.
That includes Paris Island and the air station.
And have him tell the Marines what exactly is happening at Gitmo.
I would I would love to invite him to come down here and have a town hall meeting with us in Buford.
Well, uh he'd probably do it.
He's stuck now.
He would he would probably do it.
I don't I don't I don't expect him to back off of this.
I think this is how they think they score points.
This is how they think they gain ground.
Folks, you have to understand what they're doing.
Durbin thinks this is good for his party.
Durbin thinks this is going to help his party win back the White House.
Durbin thinks this is going to help his party win back the Senate.
He would say this.
He's not apologizing for it.
Now he'll say it again and again and again.
Because his real target, as far as Dick Durbin's concerned, the real enemy, George W. Bush.
Back after this.
Stay with us.
And we're back.
El Rushbo, half my brain tied behind my back.
Just to make it fair.
All right, let's go back to the audio sound bites, the Gitmo uh topic discussed yesterday on CNN's inside politics, the anchors Suzanne Malvol with talking to uh Donna Brazil.
And Malvo said, obviously some people upset about this.
Uh, we've heard descriptions about rice pilaf, chicken dinner, tea, and all this.
You think the Republicans, Donna, have gone too far and actually trying to prove that look, you know, they're being treated.
Can you bel.
What in the world is the root of that question?
Your girlfriend here, Mr. Snerdley.
Snerdley's got this crush on Suzanne Malvo out there, and here's like what kind of question is this?
She needs to spend some time with you.
There's no question.
Are the Republicans going too far?
This is talking about uh Duncan Hunter showing up with the with the with the menu items.
The food that we're serving, are the Republicans going too hard too far to prove how nice we're being treated or treating them.
And here's what Donna Brazil said.
To try to describe Gitmo Bay as some kind of spa, some kind of resort is foolish.
It is it is what it is.
It is a place that was set up and designed to hold people for an indefinite period of time to torture them, to try to get information out of them, and to keep them behind bars until the United States figure out what to do with them.
It's time to close it down to investigate it, to figure out what happened at Gitmo Bay so that we can take this awful stain that has been put placed on our reputation.
There is no awful stain in our reputation.
You are just assuming because you people say it, it results in an awful stain.
The supremacy and the arrogance, the superiority that you people exhibit is is nauseating.
You say Gitmo's X, and so it's X. What you say is, and just because you say it, we've got a problem.
Is that the way it goes?
So we gotta sit around and wait for you people who don't even support the troops and don't understand how to achieve victory in war.
We have to wait for you Democrats to sanction everything and say, yep, that's okay, and that's okay.
And the Republicans try to demonstrate that this is a prison, pretty good conditions.
It results in the Republicans going too far.
Are they trying to make too big a deal out of this?
And by the way, I guess Miss Brazil has seen our website.
Calling it a spa on a club gitmo or whatever is a bit uh bit too much.
Well, I uh yeah, G did say designed to hold people for torture, designed to hold people for indefinite period of time to torture them.
This is just another one of these words that comes rolling out of their mouths.
It's not a torture camp.
We don't have torture camps.
Why do you think they wanted to make such a big deal out of Abu Grab?
Now, Abu Grab the the template of U.S. prisons now, by the way, is Abu Grab.
Every U.S. prison camp from now to the finish of time for this generation, and maybe a couple more, as long as liberals are uh still in the media.
The template of American prisons will be Abu Ghraib.
And it isn't gonna be long before domestic groups start associating our tactics at Abu Ghrab with the federal penitentiary system.
Wait till you see the first lawsuit on torture in a U.S. prison.
It's just around the corner.
It'll happen.
It's only a matter of time.
Now you remember the other day we played you some audio sound bites of uh what's his name?
Michael Duffy, Time magazine writer.
This is a guy that was uh talking about the uh the prisoner zero sixty-three and how horrible his treatment was.
The air conditioning turned on and it was turned off.
He was laying with hair next to his head.
Oh, it's horrible.
Well, apparently uh we played those sound bites on this program, and and Duffy didn't understand why the media is thought of the way they are, and I said, Oh, just listen to what you just said here, Mr. Duffy.
Well, he was um he was on uh hardball with Chris Matthews uh last night, and they're talking about his report on uh gitmo detainees, and Duffy's talking about all the emails he's getting.
Most of my emails running are from people who are calling me and saying, What so what?
Why aren't we pulling their fingernails out?
Why you know why you're talking about stuff that's relatively modest and within the rules, and you seem outraged by this?
We're not outraged, we're just reporting it.
But the most of the email traffic is uh essentially from conservatives who say, so what?
Let's do more.
Why are we doing who cares what they're doing?
Let's just do more of it and get as much intelligence as we can out of these guys.
You notice how it just slips by here.
You're talking about stuff relatively modest, and you seemed outraged by this.
He says, We're not outraged.
You're not outraged.
Why are you doing the stories then?
Mr. Duffy, you're not outraged.
Why why put this on the cover?
If it's no big deal to you, why does it rate the cover of Time Magazine?
Why does it rate a thousand words?
Why does it rate 500 words?
Why does it rate 30 words in time?
If you're not outraged by it, if it's no big deal, why?
What's the we're just reporting it?
Why are you reporting it?
Why do you think this is news?
It must be that it outrages you.
We know it outraged Newsweek.
We know it outrages the New York Times.
What do you mean it doesn't outrage you?
You can't even be honest with us about why you're running the story.
The next question.
Matthews says, Well, we're talking about making them stay there until they uh till they die, right?
One of the things we also learned is that these guys are really good at resisting interrogation.
They're really good at it.
They've been trained.
They know how to throw back every trick, every psychological trick.
Oh, so wait and now we're getting a little bit different uh different story.
These guys are good at resisting interrogation.
These guys, they know every trick in the book, like lying about the Koran being flushed down the toilet, probably.
And then today on C-SPAN, or no, let's go back.
That's this Tuesday on C-SPAN.
Uh, this is Duffy talking about how weirdly innocent.
So we just heard him say, man, these guys are really good at resisting interrogation.
They're really good at it.
They've been trained.
They know how to throw back every trick, every psychological trick.
Here he is talking about the 20th hijacker on Tuesday.
He's a weirdly innocent guy.
He doesn't he asks, for example, his captors whether the planets revolve around the sun.
He wants to know about dinosaurs and how they died and what they were.
He clearly has no knowledge of where Cuba is.
He thinks it might be in Florida.
He doesn't exactly sure where Florida is either.
He has very almost no understanding of the United States or the U.S. government or the Constitution or the Bible or Christianity.
He he is childlike uh in his stop the tape.
Sounds like he went through the American public school system.
In an oddly 18th-century way, you know.
So that that emerges uh from that the the hijackers, 19 of whom have died, and we'll never really get to know were children.
Children who had been, you know, convinced that this was a good way to spend their time.
This guy can't keep his story straight.
This is Tuesday on C-SPAN.
This innocent children, weirdly innocent.
You know, they've died, these 19 died, and we'll never really get to know uh the children uh who had been, you know, convinced this was a good way to spend their time.
We and we'll never get to know them now.
And on the other hand, he says two days later, these guys are really good at resisting interrogation.
This is this Time magazine, folks.
So you can you can put this in your pipe and smoke it next time you read Time, and it'd probably be worth about anything else you put stock in in the mainstream press back after this.
Susan Malvo is So the Republicans going too far showing the menu of food items to get more of course they're going too far, uh, Suzanne.
I mean, Republicans are supporting the country.
They're supporting the military.
They're telling the truth.
They're trying to try to protect the homeland, of course, to a liberal in the media or a liberal democrat.
That's going too far.
So what was should we do?
Defer to Donna Brazil, Dick Durbin, Joe Biden?
I mean, all we're getting here, folks, is that on, you know, full full court press on the liberal contempt for the military for national security and even for law enforcement, if you ask me.
We got more.
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