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March 21, 2025 - RadixJournal - Richard Spencer
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Xeno's Paradox

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit radixjournal.substack.comJ.D. Vance and Political Positioning The gang analyzes J.D. Vance's role in current politics, noting his unusual level of involvement compared to previous vice presidents. Discussion covers how Vance is being 'astroturfed' by certain political forces and the emergence of Vance-related memes on social media. The conversation explores the tension between …

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This is Matt Walsh very recently.
Keep in mind that Matt Walsh opposed Trump pretty vehemently in 2016 and also did all of the we're a proposition nation.
Other nations are based on ethnicity, race, or creed.
We're different.
It is one of the great triumphs of all time that our forefathers had to first conquer an ocean.
In order to then land on a giant mass of uncharted wilderness filled with untold dangers and wild beasts and, yes, primitive warring tribes, many of whom practiced human sacrifice and cannibalism, and who, if they captured you, would torture you for fun and rape your wife and children before killing you,
maybe eating your internal organs and taking your family as their property.
And yet, in the face of those unimaginable horrors, our forefathers and ancestors conquered this entire hemisphere and settled it and single-handedly dragged it out of the Stone Age.
and built from the wilderness the greatest civilization the world had ever known.
Am I proud of that?
Yes, I am.
It's pretty remarkable how they have just become white nationalist at this point.
I become bitter when I see these things.
I mean, I don't disagree with anything he just said, although I probably wouldn't.
Quite articulated in that manner.
But these are the conservatives who denounced all of this stuff that was said by other people, and they were opposed to it, opposed to it, opposed to it, opposed to it.
And then suddenly, through osmosis or just slow marination, it sinks in at some point.
And then they adopt it, and they pat themselves on the back for inventing these ideas.
And it is just, it's dishonest on a very basic level, but it's just sort of infuriating when you think these people, like, they were listening to the alt-right.
They were probably listening to Jared Taylor and Amren and whatever.
They were listening to Sam Francis.
They were denouncing them, denouncing them, denouncing them, denouncing them, and then just turning on a dime, not even reflecting on the fact that everything he just said really is going against what he was stressing five years ago and just claiming that they've made a new discovery.
I mean, I have to say, it's pretty infuriating.
Do you think it's that or do you think it's like a revival of nationalism because they need fresh troops for the front?
I don't think those are mutually exclusive.
Well, sure.
But the alt-right was anti-conservative.
That is something the dissident right is not.
The dissident right are fans of J.D. Vance and Donald Trump.
Despite their name being dissident, they're not.
They're actually mainstream.
I actually wanted to mention, I wanted to actually address this tweet by BAP, one of my least favorite people.
They are not dissident.
They are pornography for the mainstream right.
The alt-right was genuinely anti-conservative, if only because the conservatives were attacking Donald Trump to such a degree.
Like, the dynamic in 2015 and 2016 was that National Review cover against Trump.
Glenn Beck, Matt Walsh, I can remember him.
Everyone was furiously anti-Trump and attacking him on the basis of he was a liberal, he was a racist liberal who didn't believe in American exceptionalism.
That was the line.
Michelle Malkin.
Who then became a griper mommy and has since disappeared.
I guess it's just weird because you had this anti-conservative movement animus and then you have the conservative movement rethinking itself and adopting all of these talking points.
It is a bit infuriating, I have to say.
And it makes me want to move away from those talking points.
I guess another thing that generates some ire in me is that all of that stuff, I don't really disagree with anything Matt Walsh just said.
But I have assumed that since I was like 12. And we've gotten in a spaceship and we've hit hyperdrive and we're like in another galaxy.
And Matt Walsh is sending us a radio signal of, like, did you know that we're conquerors, baby?
Like, it's not a proposition nation.
It was made by whites or whatever.
And it's like, we fucking get it.
Like, we got that 30 years ago.
Like, you're behind.
You're light years behind where we are.
And yet you're telling us something as if it's some revelation.
I think you guys would get bored with me if I just went on here every program and said, by the way, did you know that whites created America?
I think it's almost more interesting to contradict those notions or say, did whites create America?
That's almost more interesting because it makes you think as opposed to just asserting this shit that everyone fucking knows.
Anyway, go on.
It's almost worse because it's not a natural progression.
It's not like he came to these ideas because he's discovering them and he's excited about it.
He's known about this probably since he was 12 too.
And he is just now comfortable because he thinks the atmosphere is right.
So he's going to take advantage of it.
So it's a very wormish thing to do.
And that's what makes it even worse.
And then for him to claim it.
Because that's obviously what he's doing with his mannerisms.
He's kind of like, you know, this is a de facto thing that I'm telling you now.
And, you know, he's disseminating it like it's coming from him when it's not.
And, yeah, it's not good.
It's like some guy at a conservative gathering who's giving a speech on the eternal joys of monogamy.
But then...
But now it's like 1am and everyone's a little bit drunk and most of the people have gone and there are just a few people there.
And he's sort of hitting on this girl, suggesting that they have a three-way with her and her friend or something.
The atmosphere changed and thus he goes into this other mode.
But previously the atmosphere was very different and so he's going to lecture on monogamy and C.S. Lewis or something like that.
So it's just sort of fundamentally bullshit.
It would be more interesting to give a lecture on the joys of three ways.
That would be, in a way, more honest, more true to himself, and more daring and edgy in that setting.
But instead, in that setting, he does this, and then now that it's 2 a.m. and everyone's tipsy, he's, you know, taking his swings up at bat to see if he can hit a home run.
I just said that the term they use for that is code switching, right?
Like, you'll get that from leftists often.
It's like, oh, this person talks, I don't know, in ebonics when they're speaking to a black audience, but then they code switch and will speak academically to a white audience.
And that's almost a sign of inauthenticity.
Yeah. Here's the other one I wanted to look at.
So her name is Sarah Stock.
I now follow her.
People are joking that she's a Lauren Southern wannabe or something, but I see her as a Lauren Southern upgrade.
I'm glad Lauren Southern has been replaced.
She's better looking than Lauren Southern, and Lauren Southern was annoying as hell.
And Lauren Southern, when she first came on the scene, she was doing all the sort of neocon stuff.
There is no rape culture in the West.
That was a famous thing where she held up a sign.
So it's like, what are you complaining about, feminists?
You live in the West.
I don't get it.
Whereas Sarah Stock is just saying, I'm xenophobic and proud, which in my mind is just sort of more refreshing, if more brutal.
I doubt she's a Russian asset as well.
There's that, too.
They're both Canadian blondes.
But Sarah Stock's better, so I don't see why we should be criticizing her.
Do you think that's better for Americans in general?
To be xenophobic, nationalism is better.
We should have a coherent culture.
Everyone should be a part of the same culture.
We should have assimilation.
Do you get to choose what the culture is?
We already have a dominant culture.
What is the dominant culture?
Based on European and Christian values and identity.
That is the dominant culture.
It's rooted in European identity.
So your argument is that...
That has been the dominant culture.
Just to be clear.
And we're not letting people assimilate to that.
We're saying you should keep your culture, and this is why our culture is so divided.
Your argument is that Trump is good for those who want a dominant white European culture.
I mean, that is what America is.
It's rooted in European identity and Christian values.
But it's sort of not, don't you think?
I get that, but isn't stating that covering over the fact that the Puritan founding of the culture was an attack on existing cultures?
People left England as an attack on the Anglican Church, which wasn't hardcore Protestant enough for them.
And whatever their criticisms, that's what it was about.
It was a new world.
It was a new Jerusalem.
John Winthrop imagined American exceptionalism and a new Jerusalem literally before even setting foot on North American soil.
And so it actually was, you could say, an advancement or you could say an attack.
Maybe those are sort of loaded ways of thinking about it.
But it was a separation from Europe.
I think so much of the identitarianism that I would talk about, say, five or seven years ago was almost a LARP in itself.
It was like, oh no, see, we're expressing European identity or something like that.
But maybe that's actually not true to the Puritan streak at the very heart of American identity.
It's just something to think about at the very least.
Yeah, I think you're getting at the roots of the sort of proposition nation idea.
It really does go back to the Puritans.
And it's not something that was created later on by liberals as a radical version in the way that, you know, a lot of white nationalists or adjacent people say.
And maybe it actually is relevant to point out that Sarah Stock is Canadian because Canada, of course, didn't have a revolution against a European power.
They have always clung to this sort of Europe junior and also England junior and also kind of France junior by the side identity.
You know, just recently, a few days ago, Mark Carney was speaking to, I believe, Emmanuel Macron.
And he proudly said, you know, China is the most European nations.
America was also in part founded not just as a utopian New England Puritan state, but a place to just make money and to just extract the wealth for your own purposes.
That's why the Jamestown colony was brought into existence.
There was kind of a lower version of that where people that couldn't own land in Europe...
Or were basically indigent, came out to the frontier, and they just wanted a lot to call their own in Western parts, like whether it be the Scots-Irish or the Germans.
And maybe that's where the sort of America as a European nation comes from, that sort of frontiersman attitude versus the religious utopian or the I'm-here-to-make-money-for-me-myself-and-I thing.
and it's like there are these three spirits that are contradictory and that were each other yeah yeah
Doesn't it seem like liberals do this thing where they push back against conservatives who try to integrate cultures into the American culture as a form of segregation?
It's like a clever subconscious form of segregation where they encourage the other cultures to Keep their culture and to strengthen it and stay within it as a way to have enclaves that they can stay in themselves.
Yeah, it's like to rescue these cultures from the Cheesecake Factory, basically.
Because assimilating to America basically means you're going to have a mortgage in the suburbs and eat at the Cheesecake Factory at the mall.
And it doesn't mean that you're like...
Waving the flag of Norway and being like a rad trad or something.
And I think there's a liberal desire, a romantic liberal desire to maintain African-American culture onto its own as something sort of sacred, you could say.
And Native American culture and...
People from Southeast Asia, we want to maintain your non-generic white Christian identity.
We want to maintain it from being thrown into the meat grinder of being a generic American and shopping at Costco on Saturday and loading up with big box junk that you don't need.
And in some ways, they kind of protect their own culture, too, is like the white liberal culture.
A white wasp culture, which they're protecting.
Yeah, it does create more of a segregation there.
It's kind of like how women will give bad advice to other women.
They'll do it subconsciously, almost, because they don't want them to succeed.
It's like a strategy in some ways.
That's kind of how I see the dynamics of liberalism.
Whenever conservatives say we need to forcibly integrate...
What they really want is they want Vivek to wear the cowboy hat, right?
They'll say, wear the chaps and the cowboy hat and show up to the rodeo with the rest of us.
Get yourself a girlfriend, an American girlfriend.
They're trying to do a real melting pot.
It's like melting pot times 10. Whereas liberals are subconsciously creating enclaves.
I have noticed the BAP sphere are attacking Sarah, good Sarah, for reasons that are sort of inexplicable.
This is BAP speaking.
In general, it's bad to have positions you agree with do the viral in formats and arguments that are obviously wrong and easily disproven or mocked.
The whole model of raising awareness for a mass popular audience is bad.
The effect is to turn smart new readers off.
This series was hosted by Jubilee.
Yeah, this series was hosted by Jubilee, which also hosts Ben Shapiro and Noel's Daily Wire fake debate.
Okay, that's irrelevant.
Was to artificially boost this girl influencers as new faces of the far right.
Yeah, I mean...
Okay. So, do you know what I think it is?
She criticized Trump in that debate with Sam Seder, where she said, I'm to the right of Donald Trump.
He's not like me.
You know, he wants to bring H-1Bs in.
So they can sense that this woman is more or less part of the Fuentesphere or something like that.
And they don't like that.
What they want...
Is for them to be the pornography of the mainstream.
What are you even talking about, Bap?
You're the one who's gay and Jewish and talks about Bronze Age rape gangs and used to tweet about TND.
So what are you even talking about?
You're so much worse than Sarah Stock.
It's not even funny.
Sarah Stock has not done any of those things.
She's attractive and down to earth.
What are you even talking about?
You're good for mainstream politics and she's not?
What the fuck?
Her argument in favor of xenophobia.
I sort of disagree, I guess, with her articulation of American identity, but what I say is less appealing to normies than what she just said.
So what in the fuck are you talking about?
And this is what it is.
Their game is to be the pornography for mainstream Republicans.
And so it's okay to drop N-bombs.
It's okay to talk about, like, eugenics in some extremely abstract manner.
It's okay to say that people are degenerate or dysgenic or whatever when you're just talking about, like, a Portlandia Antifa member.
It's okay to talk about Bronze Age rape gangs because it's totally irrelevant and ridiculous.
And so you're operating as a kind of pornography for mainstream Trumpists who are not going to really do anything that matters and ultimately will maintain America's pro-Israel stance.
That's what it's about.
And if you don't understand that reality, these arguments don't even make sense.
Like, obviously Sarah Stock is a better representative of the far right than these faggots.
Even they would have to acknowledge that.
That a pretty white girl is a better representation than Jewish homosexuals.
To win over the right.
I mean, surely even they could grasp that reality.
But again, that's not what their game is.
So is this the Southern strategy?
It's just a different...
It's just a different aspect.
Yeah, it's like a micro version of the Southern strategy.
So that JD Vance, like when Usha's asleep, JD Vance can go to his Twitter like he's, you know...
Coming, honey, I'll be in there in a moment.
But he can, like, read Captive Dreamer and be like, those degenerate fucks, we're gonna kill them one of these days.
Okay, I'm coming, honey.
It's just all, that's what it is.
It's pornography for the mainstream right.
So they can do all the, they can talk, like, in the streets, they can sound like the religious right, and in the sheets, they can read that.
And they can do all the same crap that the conservative movement's been talking about.
They can wage wars in the Middle East on behalf of Israel.
But then at night, they can jerk off to homosexual Bronze Age rape gangs that kidnap women and drag them back to the tribal cave where God knows what can be done to them.
Yeah, it's just all fundamentally bullshit.
October 7th was probably the most Bronze Age thing that we've seen in 100 years.
Not that they were taking them as war brides, but taking these women in trucks across the border.
That German-Jewish woman who was taken from the music festival with her legs broken and thrown into the back of a pickup truck?
Yeah, that's what it was like.
We might have a nice...
Vision of what a war pride would be like.
That's more like what it was like.
The reality is not what it says in Bronze Age mindset.
Yeah, exactly.
But of course, they oppose that.
October 7th is terrible.
The literal enactment of their putative ideology they were against.
Yes. Yeah, Bapp and his people would say, oh, no, no, if you support that, you're a third-worldist sand negro.
It's like, wait a second.
You could say, borrowing Bapp's terminology, that, you know, Hamas paraglided out of the Gazan longhouse and took all these warped rides.
No, of course, it's not what we're supposed to say.
Exactly. That's leftism.
Yeah. I think what they called it was a resentful slave morality chimp out, essentially.
That was their reframing of it.
Yeah. Again, it's what we were talking about before.
They'll arbitrarily call upon certain terms.
So if you're in opposition to Trump, we're going to call you resentful slave morality.
Or the book, right?
Yeah, the woke right.
All of this stuff, yeah.
But they don't mean it.
They just call upon any of these terms to make sure that they and only they can operate as right-wing porn.
It's kind of a dovetail, something I was thinking of today.
It relates to something in Trump's governing style as well.
This kind of, when you think about his rhetoric versus his actions in regards to Immigration, in particular, perhaps other things, too.
There's this kind of performative cruelty that ultimately substitutes for meaningful action.
You know, right now, he took these hundreds of people from Venezuela and sent them to some apparently horrible prison in El Salvador where God knows what's going to happen to them.
Ukele is using them as slave labor, yeah.
Yeah, and like, well, who exactly are these people?
What have they done?
It's not really clear that they belong there, you know?
And it kind of, on a general level, it kind of parallels the controversy over family separation and, you know, quote-unquote, kids in cages in the first term, you know?
There's no, ultimately, you know, legal immigration stays the same, deportations go down.
There's just this performative cruelty.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, do you think that the liberal media is lying about...
These multiple cases of people who are seeking refugee status legally and they're getting sent to Bukele's prison.
Or like some guy who just had some weird tattoo and so they thought it was a gang tattoo.
And again, the conservatives are just sort of laughing at this.
But that's the ultimate resentment.
Like, that's really what Nietzsche...
Well, he was talking...
To be fair here...
Nietzsche was talking about slave morality.
He really meant it as, like, slave morality.
But, you know, I'm thinking of that sort of will to punish and how suspicious Nietzsche was of people who were a little too obsessed with punishing the criminal and so on.
Like, what does that reveal about yourself?
What does it reveal about, like, your empty life in the suburbs that you're watching images of Hispanics getting humiliated and getting their head shaved and then thrown into a van shipped to God knows where,
where there'll be a slave labor or probably, you know, be brutalized in prison or die.
And yeah, it's just, it's porn.
And what does that say about you that you're watching porn?
How many people watch porn as an aphrodisiac to get excited?
Like you and your hot girlfriend watch a little porn before you go at it.
Now, that's probably a significant percentage of porn watching are couples like that or whatever.
But I would say that Easily 95%, if not 99% of porn watching is done alone.
Probably 99%.
And in the same way, the violence porn...
You're not getting any if you're watching porn.
And again, you're disempowered in your own life.
And so you're jacking off to the notion of brutalizing Javier.
Who is here on a student visa?
The violent porn of Javier is the person who will never harm a fly or looks at his shitlaces when a black guy walks by on the street hoping he doesn't assault him.
Javier is here on a student visa.
He dared to participate in a...
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