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June 12, 2024 - RadixJournal - Richard Spencer
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This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit radixjournal.substack.comSpecial guest “9mmSMG” joins the program for a discussion of American nationalism. The gang discusses Trump, the liberals, and “The Last Election.” At 45 minutes, Richard and company do a deep dive into Jared Taylor’s recent declaration that “America is dead.” At 2:05, the coming French election is briefly analyzed…

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All right, let's watch this.
Hello, I'm Jared Taylor with American Renaissance.
I started American Renaissance in 1990, 34 years ago, because I thought the United States had made some very bad decisions about race.
I thought those mistakes could be corrected.
I thought we could change course.
But I've been rethinking my goals for some time now, and recently, two things set me
First, I read a speech given on Robert E. Lee's 100th birthday, January 19th, 1907.
One thing, just to, before he talks about the Robert E. Lee speech, it's interesting to ask what motivated Jared, because, and I think this might be revealing, because...
He said he started American Renaissance in 1990, so it's been some time, a third of a lifetime.
And yes, there were some bad decisions from his perspective and probably ours on race.
He also came at the kind of tail end of when...
Of the triumph of the Southern strategy.
And I think this is very revealing when it comes to Jared, because he also came 10 years after the Reagan campaign that actually began in a symbolic town.
Of the civil rights movement.
He came 10 years after, five years after, talk of welfare queens and all of this kind of stuff.
So he came at a point where it had been really established.
Realignment was in effect.
And we're four years away from the Republican Revolution, where we basically created a notion of a red state as we know it today.
And the old Southern Democrats, that tactic or meme was over.
All of those people had become, the voters had become Republicans, at least in national elections.
The politicians who were former segregationists had become Republican, switched parties.
And the Southern strategy as a, we're going to Play footsie with race.
And sometimes get a little aggressive with race.
And call out the welfare moms or talk about busing.
That that had been established as a Republican meme, as it were.
And I think that's also significant.
That he thought that the tide was turning.
White people were kind of gathering.
We're Southern whites.
We're gathering in the GOP and it was the time to just make it explicit.
You know, let's stop talking about welfare queens and let's just do race and IQ charts and race and crime charts, etc.
The speaker was Charles Francis Adams.
He was from Massachusetts, the son of President John Quincy Adams and the grandson of President John Adams.
Charles Francis Adams was not a friend of the South.
During the Civil War, he was U.S. envoy to Britain and almost single-handedly kept it from recognizing the Confederacy.
And yet, speaking of Lee, in Lee's home state, he said,"Virginians, whom shall we set apart as one of our sacred men?" Him you will set on a high column that all men, looking at it, may be continually apprised of the duty you expect from them.
And indeed, Robert E. Lee was set on high columns all across the South.
Even a former enemy from Massachusetts saw what an inspiring model of manhood he was.
That was part of the reconciliation of North and South, healing the wounds of the Civil War.
Today, that speech by Adams would be like Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts planting a battle flag on Confederate Memorial Day.
The nation that sought reconciliation that way is gone.
It's dead.
Now there's to be no reconciliation with Confederates, and all past acts of reconciliation were grievous moral failings and must be corrected.
But that speech by Adams got me thinking about something else.
Okay. Jared correctly assesses that it was an act of reconciliation.
And so a lot of the praise of the South, a lot of the toleration or even endorsement of Confederate statues that were...
Coming about in the 20th century mostly, in the kind of lost cause myth that was tolerated, was a way of making it all work.
So we're not going to do reconstruction anymore.
That's harsh.
We're not going to fill up the South Carolina legislature with 60% Africans or whatever they were, some horror stories like that.
And we're not going to...
We're going to nitpick and prod you about the fact that you tried to succeed.
We're going to reconcile as one nation.
And that means that you're ultimately under Lincoln, but then we're going to say that Lee was great too.
But all of that was fundamentally symbolic.
And maybe it was symbolic in the worst sense of that word, in the sense that It was kind of meaningless or a token gesture.
All of the things where we went wrong on race, all of those occurred in places that had Confederate memorials.
So it was a sort of...
It wasn't symbolic in the sense that it was deeply meaningful or essential.
It was instead symbolic in the sense of what's a good metaphor here of giving the losing team a participation trophy or something.
It was symbolic in that infuriating sense.
I don't know.
I think there's...
I've said this before and this is kind of my reassessment of Charlottesville and so on.
I think maybe there's something positive about tearing down these statues in the sense that it doesn't allow you to live in a dream world and believe that you're actually in charge when you manifestly aren't.
On the other hand, in turn, it kind of maybe shows you the limits of mirror symbolism?
I do understand where you're coming from with the monuments in that it's symbolizing basically power that we don't have.
But on the other hand, it's also American history.
I'm not a Southerner.
I'm born and bred Yankee.
I'll probably...
Always live in the North and New England.
But seeing them be torn down by people who absolutely hate white people is repulsive.
So while I see these statues being torn down, I don't feel the same connection a Southerner does.
But on the other hand, I'm seeing people who likely want me dead pushing To have these monuments removed.
And even if you don't agree with the Confederacy, it's still American history.
It's pivotal to American history.
I mean, it's one of the biggest events we've ever had outside of the Revolutionary War.
So while they're tearing them down, it's not against the Confederacy.
It's not an act against Robert E. Lee.
It's against white people.
So seeing people that...
Hate the country, want to change the country for the worse, tear these things down is just kind of repulsive to me.
Yeah, I definitely understand that.
All right, let's continue here.
Whom would we put on a high column today?
After a little research, I found that we haven't put anyone on a column in over 100 years.
The nation that honored citizens in that way is gone, just like the one that tried to heal the wounds of war.
Instead, we now take down the men we once put up.
Can a nation change more dramatically than that?
Men who once enjoyed the highest honors now come down in disgrace.
It's not just Confederates.
Everything about America and the people who built it has been turned upside down.
Praise turned into contempt.
We're told that Columbus committed genocide, so here he is, face to the ground.
George Washington was a miserable slave owner, so he gets a keffiyeh blindfold and a Palestinian flag in his eye.
I'm... Maybe I'll save it.
I mean, Columbus did...
Radically transform the lives of indigenous people.
Do you really want to ignore that?
You can still praise him while recognizing that.
I get the overreaction of tearing him down.
I find this Taylorism is this way of...
He only praises whites ultimately in the sense that we're well-behaved.
And this is my ultimate criticism of IQ nationalism or Crime Stat nationalism.
I mean, Columbus did do something a lot like genocide.
He led to tremendous deaths.
And I don't think that should be ignored or obscured.
And Aryans are probably uniquely capable in doing things like this.
We need to scare our enemies more.
Exactly. Jack Donovan was...
Look, I would...
To this day, defend him.
He was kind of like a better version of the Manosphere.
He was also a former Satanist who was gay and all sorts of...
Lots of issues there, let's say.
But I still liked the guy.
But he did have a very funny line when he said, we weren't the only people who invaded, conquered, and enslaved other folks.
We just did it better.
Yeah, that's white excellence.
Exactly. We do a little trolling.
We do a little trolling now and again in Chariots.
We're just trolling.
I mean this very seriously.
The Southern strategy racism at the end of the day is basically like a behavior contest.
So it's like whites shoplift less at Target.
And I don't disagree with that.
And I also like being in stable, you know, communities and so on.
But if we did, we'd do it better.
Exactly. We'd take the whole fucking target.
Like, we went to other countries and took their target.
If you catch my drift.
And so, I don't know, there's this like Nietzschean...
Quality to me where I hate this like praise for whites in terms of behavior.
It's like a kitty little cat raising herself for not mauling an antelope or something.
It's like you couldn't maul an antelope even if you wanted to.
It's ridiculous to praise yourself for being moral.
What's unique about Arians is that we were able to conquer people.
And we did commit horrifying crimes that I don't think should be ignored.
And I kind of understand why other people...
Would hate us or resent us.
I think I mentioned this on the last talk.
There's this interesting moment in the genealogy of morality by Nietzsche where he's talking about Hesiod and his ages of man.
And he says directly, he was like, even Hesiod couldn't come to terms with the past.
And so he created two ages.
There was the...
Age of Heroes and the Age of Iron.
And so the Age of Heroes was the Homeric conquerors, and they were all wonderful people, and they're now in Elysium.
And then the Age of Iron was these terrible people who were brutal and unfair slave masters, etc.
And what Nietzsche said, he was like, look, those are the same age, just seen from different perspectives.
If you are the winner...
You are the slaver.
You are going to view your ancestors and yourself as heroes.
If you are the one being enslaved, you are going to view those people as brutal criminals and tyrants.
And so you're kind of unable to reconcile these things.
And so you create two ages that are actually one.
And I think that was one of many of Nietzsche's most
insights that he did intuitively, but it's just clearly correct.
And so, I don't know.
To deny that Columbus is a genocidal maniac is to deny his greatness.
We're in agreement there.
Maybe someone would hear what I'm saying and be like, oh, you're just nitpicking with Jared.
These are bad.
Okay, fine.
But it's actually about, it's a small thing, but it's actually about something really big.
It's the way you view things.
The other thing about this, I'm not sure they're sticking a Palestinian flag in George Washington's eyes.
So for those of people listening to this and not seeing the shared screen, so there's a statue of George Washington.
He's wearing a keffa.
Is that how you pronounce it?
The kind of Palestinian scarf.
Keffia. And there's a Palestinian flag coming out of it.
You could see it.
It's a bit of a Rorschach test, but you could see it in two ways.
You could see it as the brown hordes hate Washington.
Or you could see it as the brown hordes are adopting American icons of liberation and freedom and...
I don't think it's Matt, Richard.
I'm going to take a shot in the dark.
I don't think George Washington liked the Jews very much either.
That's true.
It's a complicated image.
Now, you could fairly disagree with me on this one.
You need to fight a war against international finance.
True. So we'll move on here.
Jefferson raped his slave, Sally Hemings, so he's on the ground too.
Even Abraham Lincoln emancipating the slaves has to be protected against vandals because he was a no-good white man.
Jamestown, independence from Britain, the conquest of the continent, becoming a great power.
Everything we used to be proud of is now a crime against humanity.
What people would rewrite its own history and turn its heroes into monsters?
The Germans did, after we helped kill 8 million of them and they lost a war by unconditional surrender.
The occupying victors hanged their leaders, gave them a new government and a brand new state of mind.
The US needed no such trauma.
It did it to itself.
But if we no longer set heroes on high columns, Does that mean we no longer have models to look up to?
Two things really quickly.
It was the United States that did that to Germany and the Soviet Union as well, but I wouldn't just kind of wipe clean the hands of the US in terms of that.
So what does that maybe tell you about the US's defining ideology?
And also, while the U.S.'s rise to be a great power and conquest of the continent or cowboys and Indians and so on, that was all promoted during the period of the Civil Rights Act and so on.
So might this also tell you something about a deep core to American?
To the American ideology.
Just something to think about.
Someone raise their hand.
Do you want to jump in?
Okay. No, we do.
Go to the children's section of a bookstore and look at the biographies.
Who are the inspirations for today's children?
Jackie Robinson, Rosa Parks, Harriet Tubman.
You can find children's biographies of Hillary Clinton, Cesar Chavez, Oprah Winfrey.
Do you know how many children's biographies of Oprah Winfrey there are?
About 40. That's today's equivalent of being set on a high column.
We still have the same flag and the same Constitution and the same name, but it's a different country.
And the required mentality for whites in this new country is one of apology, if not outright self-hatred.
Here's an almost random example.
I think this is funny because it's basically what he was doing with Columbus.
Yeah, I mean, it's funny saying it's a society based on apology for white men.
That's sort of ironic considering he's doing the same thing with Columbus.
What do you mean apologizing for him in both senses of the term?
I was going to speak up and say something earlier, but the conversation sort of flowed that.
I think he is a sort of boomer-esque alt-conservatism still based around Christian morality.
So for him, Columbus can't be a badass and go conquer a continent and enslave a bunch of bitches and kill everyone.
Because that wouldn't go with the whole gentlemanly white Christian thing that he's sort of representing.
He came and said, I bring you free markets.
I bring you free markets and the good book of the Lord.
The good book of the Lord.
Milton Friedman.
Yeah. You're kind of playing on the word apology.
Apology in both senses is the term.
...named Julie Powell.
She wrote a book about cooking that was made into a movie.
Aside from that, she was an ordinary woman, bad marriage and all.
But she casually wrote things like this on X. White people are fucking horrible.
Murdering all of us would be a totally sound decision.
I really can't see the argument for slaughtering white people in the streets.
Why would a white woman do that?
It's because if people tell you over and over that you are an evil, psychopathic race, some will believe it.
Back in 1967, one author...
Yeah, I mean, it's...
If you keep telling Germans that...
Their whole history was leading up to Nazism.
At some point, they're going to believe it.
There's a really equivocal quality to that.
Yeah, I don't know.
Maybe I think she's right.
I think, you know, they should take us out or we're coming for them.
That should be our behavior with this.
The sort of tepid whiteness.
Yeah, I think the only way that...
I mean, this...
I don't disagree with his fundamental premise, but the only way forward is to kind of flip the premise.
And, you know, the only way out is through, so to speak.
Like, you...
Yeah. No, it's like bring back the chariots.
I think...
I'm pretty sure he, you know, if he saw that video...
And I think everybody's seen the meme video.
It's like white man.
He drinks dairy for the first time.
And then it's all of the chariots of the Chad white guy with the blonde hair and the big cocks roaming around Europe.
That's what happens.
Aryans, when they first drink milk, invade the world.
But he would say, well, that's not good.
That's not whiteness.
Whiteness is what picket fans.
Yeah, exactly.
That's his whiteness.
So in a way, he's getting everything he deserves because he's the one who wants white people to be a cowardly little race of pygmies.
Yeah, it is victimization.
The other thing is you have to, again, I don't disagree with the basic premise, and I think most conservatives wouldn't disagree with it, but you have to get at causation.
Why is this happening?
Why has this emerged as the dominant paradigm?
Might it have been an incipient core premise of the nation itself?
You at least have to address that.
How did it change so quickly and so overwhelmingly?
And I think the answer to this is we have to start taking the insults from people who hate whites and say we're all evil conquerors and we have to start responding to that with flattery.
It's like, ah, yeah, we are.
We absolutely have to embrace that.
We absolutely have to embrace whites as conquerors.
Anytime I've been called a colonizer, I'm like, oh, absolutely.
I think the proudest part of white history is our colonization, what we've done to the world, our conquests and stuff.
I think doing anything but praising that is incredibly anti-white.
When we were talking about Columbus, yes, there is an argument for him being a genocidal maniac, and to that I say he did nothing wrong.
All land conquest throughout time has been taken by force and murder.
All of it.
It's all been taken by might.
Now, with the natives, certainly there was trade involved, too.
It wasn't all slaughter.
But to deny that is denying history, and if you deny history, it's being anti-white, especially anti-white.
So Jared has a view of I'm a big Jared Taylor fan, by the way.
I could listen and read bedtime stories.
But he does have a view of sort of the docile white, where we're just these very friendly, happy people that, you know, and the problem with that is it's why we're getting trampled on so bad right now.
White history is one of conquest and violence.
It got us to our civilization currently where things are kind of normal and then we became tremendously docile and just kind of pathetic and that's why we're in the situation we're in right now.
Yeah, and what spiritual core led to this as well is just something that needs to be addressed, but I'll go on.
Susan Sontag wrote that the white race is the cancer of human history.
She was way ahead of her time.
That needs to be put into context.
I won't do it now.
I need to go...
One thing that a little bit...
This is maybe a small thing, but this cherry-picking of quotes kind of bothers me.
It reminds me of pastors who...
Ezekiel 25, 17. It's like, look, tell me what the context is for that passage.
What is she saying?
I don't necessarily disagree with the notion that whites are the cancer of...
We're this evasive species that transforms all society.
It's hard to deny that white supremacy reigns around the globe.
What kind of civil order are you going to have?
A parliamentary democracy?
Because that's the only way forward.
Anything else is unacceptable.
What are you going to wear to your business or when you appear in public?
Oh, a suit.
There's a fashion that emerged from military wear in the 19th century.
Actually, it's now universal.
Where are you going to buy?
You know, inexpensive lunch food.
McDonald's, of course.
How are you going to communicate?
On an iPhone.
I mean, how do you treat women?
Well, feminism.
I mean, for good and for ill, we live in a white supremacist world.
And I think even calling it white supremacist, I think is more accurate than calling it like Jewish or something, which you might hear from a white nationalist.
I don't want to deny the impact of that.
I don't want to deny that.
Yeah. You know,
accept feminism and have a parliament in their capital city.
Lizard Spectator, you wanted to jump in?
Haven't all races become docile and tame?
Yeah. Yeah.
To a large degree.
Well, not the blacks.
I mean, they're still having fun.
They're pretty docile at the end of the day.
You know?
I think we've all been tamed to some extent.
I mean, yeah, there's more crime and there's more kind of baseness, you could say, among Africans of just more interest in sex and getting into fights and all that kind of stuff.
But the degree to which they themselves have been contained, I don't think should be underestimated.
A few people are fighting back.
In September 2020, very near the end of his term, Donald Trump issued an executive order on combating race and sex stereotyping.
It barred any part of the government from teaching what the order called divisive concepts.
Among these were: One race or sex is inherently superior to another.
An individual, by virtue of his or her race or sex, is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive.
An individual, by virtue of his or her race or sex, bears responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex.
Meritocracy Or traits such as a hard work ethic are racist or sexist or were created by a particular race to oppress another race.
Okay. This is just liberalism from 30 years ago.
That document that was put forth by Trump as a way of fighting back is a document fighting back against, I guess, like black or female supremacy.
And in fact, we're all equal and no one is guilty.
You're not connected to the Aryans and chariots.
You're not connected to Napoleon or you're not connected to the British Empire.
You're just this interchangeable American citizen who can earn money I find that notion utterly hateful in itself.
I don't think of myself in that way.
I don't think of other people in that way.
The only way to fight back against the left is to put forth some sort of individualism and libertarianism, where you just popped into the world.
With no past and thus no future, and you just compete with other individuals for money.
It's despicable.
And it's not fighting back, in fact.
It is the full culmination of the liberal idea.
I've told this to Jared face-to-face.
Sam Francis wrote an article about this to Jared.
I've given a talk at the Amron conference where I was basically saying this.
I just don't understand why he can't see it or at least address the obvious rejoinder to this.
It's like he's on a treadmill.
I understand there's some critics who are tedious and nitpicky and you should just ignore them.
I get that.
But there's constructive criticism, or there's an actual rejoinder to your thesis that you have to respond to.
The fact that he just, for 35 years, has failed to respond to this gets to a point where it's just frustrating, and it's like, all right, I'm not going to...
Well, I'm addressing it now, but I'm not going to really deal with these ideas if it's just this like...
Slamming up against a brick wall over and over of dogmatic thinking.
Why did he even bother to start his whole thing if...
Wait, he said he started this shit in the 90s, right?
Yes, 1990s.
Yeah, so why did he bother starting American Renaissance if his goal was to just...
Agree with the 1990s political belief that everyone is vaguely equal and we should be nice to each other.
Why did he even do this?
What's the point?
How was he radical back then?
Well, it's an interesting question because he's claimed at various times, I don't know if he's claimed this publicly, he's claimed it to me that...
I mean, he started in 1990, I guess, or maybe not.
Anyway, it was the bell curve was released, and there just seemed to be just obvious implications to this quantitative way of thinking.
And so this had to affect us.
And in fact, everyone ignored the bell curve, as we learned later.
So you're just promoting a sort of like free market dogma of we shouldn't have affirmative action, and it's okay if blacks are poor because their IQs are lower.
I get that.
I think that's a legitimate perspective on the world, but it's a liberal perspective on the world at the end of the day.
It's interesting because if you go back to his early books like, oh God, Paved with Good Intentions, you have this book that is not about white identity or not about...
Certainly not about separatism or something.
It's basically about the bad behavior of black liberals and how they're anti-white and unfair.
And it's a lot of things you hear from conservatives today, actually, was a book he wrote very early on.
I think it might have...
Let me just look at Amazon real quick.
Saved with good intentions, Jared Taylor.
When this book was actually released, I think it was before he started Amron.
So it's 2014, but that's like a re-release.
I don't know.
Not seeing it on Amazon, but...
I think it was before Amron.
I think it was like 1988 or something like that.
But if you're just arguing for the end of anti-whiteness, you're ultimately arguing for liberalism.
You're ultimately saying like, you people should stop being so mean.
This is racism in reverse.
You know, it's like every people Does think of itself as supreme on some level.
Every people is a chosen people on some level.
And if you're just going to reject that, then I don't know what we're doing here.
And I guess this will lead into my criticism of separatism, at least as it's described by Jared.
I won't even ask why Donald Trump thought he had to issue an order banning those ideas from government training programs.
I won't even have to ask why Donald Trump had to assert liberalism.
Liberalism should be taken for granted.
More important is that Joe Biden, on Inauguration Day itself, revoked that executive order.
He thought it was so important to get that off the books that he revoked it the very day he walked into the White House.
But I may be the only guy who noticed.
No one asked him, Joe.
Are you inherently an oppressor and personally responsible for slavery?
Did white people invent meritocracy as an excuse to oppress black people?
But it was top priority for a new president to make sure that people in government could teach that stuff.
Mr. Biden also issued an executive order commanding the entire 2.7 million man federal bureaucracy to submit plans to discriminate in favor of Black, Latino, Indigenous and Native American, Asian American, Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander persons and other persons of color and,
of course, LGBTQI + persons.
That plus, I think, is for all the aberrations yet to be discovered.
Who got left out?
Heterosexual white people.
That's because we are the ones mercilessly grinding everyone else down.
This sort of thing has consequences.
There was a famous study by Anne Case and Angus Deaton.
They found that whites were dying of suicide, alcoholism, and drug overdose at twice the black rate, what they called"deaths of despair." They later reported that white death rates and only white death rates had risen so quickly that life expectancy for the whole country fell three years in a row.
2015, 16, 17. That was before COVID.
And each younger generation of whites was worse off than the generation before.
How many people committed suicide after watching videos like this?
I mean, I'm kind of...
Joking a little bit, but...
Yeah. When the two researchers first tried to publish this, academic journals told them to get lost.
How dare you work on whites?
Professors under fire for researching white mortality.
That should have told them something.
But when Case and Deaton published a book, they called it Deaths of Despair and the Future of Capitalism.
Right. Capitalism is the problem.
Not one word about the message that is preached from the White House on down that white people are a scourge.
Not one hint that some of those whites might be getting the message and drinking themselves to death or overdosing or shooting themselves.
How do you solve a problem?
Don't you think late capitalism is much more important to
white deaths of despair than
Oh, absolutely.
You know, I mean, I mean, look...
Yeah, I mean, I...
There was a point where our cup overfloweth and...
There was just so much money going around that it was this...
Capitalism was this kind of egalitarian machine.
It was creating a massive middle class and so on.
And that seems to be breaking down.
And those TikTok videos of women who are working a retail job and they can't make it, basically.
Isn't that getting at something important?
Like, you know, medical bills being the primary cause of bankruptcy?
I mean, isn't this whole system, which, to be fair, functioned pretty effectively in the 20th century?
Isn't this the cause of despair much more than, like, angry black lady at Berkeley?
You've got to get a causation.
Capitalism is to blame for a lot, and I think I get a lot of heat from conservatives in general.
I'm not a conservative, but automatically if they think I'm right-wing, I'm a conservative.
I favor a single-payer healthcare system because it's tremendously beneficial to white people, but we also can't have it in a country like...
The United States is right now, because it'll be absolutely overwhelmed.
Basically, capitalism as an idea, it seems okay, and then it's brutally manipulated by people with very bad intentions, and people are just left out in the cold.
Everyone I know with problems in their life, they're all money problems, and they're working, they can't survive.
There used to be a time when you could work a kind of entry-level job and live.
You wouldn't be going on vacations all the time.
You'd be budgeting and you couldn't live.
I know people making 50 grand a year right now, which isn't a lot of money by any means, but they can't survive.
Oh. I think the angry black woman got him.
You popped out there.
Yeah, Mike has struggled a bit with Wi-Fi, so we'll just...
I assume he's hearing this, though, so we'll just move on.
I can hear you.
Okay....problem like this.
When I started American Renaissance 34 years ago, things weren't so bad.
I thought the country could be set back on track.
Not anymore.
I can still live here.
I see through the anti-white propaganda.
I can even laugh at its absurdities.
You probably can too.
Even though the dangers of multiracialism, both physical and psychological, get worse every year, the fortunate among us can still pick our ways through them.
We shouldn't have to be the fortunate ones.
No white person should have to live under an occupation government.
Mental, psychological, and moral occupation.
All my life I've watched the United States degenerate.
It's no longer my country and it can't be saved.
I do not believe that it can ever again become a home for white people.
Any lefty who heard me say that would start roaring about white privilege and how we benefited from slavery and then end up basically admitting We're lucky we don't have all our throats slit.
Can you think of a realistic way to take America back, as Republicans keep saying?
It can't be taken back.
It doesn't matter who's elected president this year, or four years from now, or 40 years from now.
It's over.
We can't take the whole country back.
We'll have to settle for something less.
Here's what we're up against.
In the Atlantic last year, Trumpism is the last gasp of a dying culture of white supremacy.
The guy who orders the government not to teach that any race is inherently superior to any other is the last gasp of white supremacy.
Can he not see this?
First off, I don't fully disagree.
That Trump is the last gasp of white supremacy.
I mean, I might disagree here and there, but it's not like a...
Clearly, it's coming from a background of demographic change.
That's the background cause for Trumpism.
There are other aspects to it.
And in fact, Trumpism seems to be moving towards a weirdly multiracial...
Like, hate women, hate the left cult, conspiracy cult.
But I don't think that sentence is that off.
And again, he's stressing, like, he wants his old liberalism back of, like, how could you call Donald Trump a white supremacist when he was just trying to...
Pull the reins on black supremacists or female supremacists or gay supremacists.
You can't have your old liberalism back.
We can't go back to that decade Where that advertisement that was put in by his video editor, I assume, of like, that was probably an advertisement for Chevrolet or something.
This like, happy white family.
That was at a point where they were selling you goods on the basis of family values.
And many companies still do this.
In fact, lots of them, most of them, on some level.
Coca-Cola's white excellence.
Yeah, exactly.
And I say this as someone who actually likes Coke.
Mexican Coke, ironically.
I also like Mexican Coke.
But it's like that was a dream.
That was like a capitalist advertising campaign.
And none of those people in that picture have any sort of white consciousness.
They're just oblivious.
To the world.
And they're just enjoying their vacation.
Which is fine for most people.
But let's understand what that is.
Psychologically. Do you want to say something?
My earbuds just fell out of my ears.
That's why I didn't speak up a second before you started.
But I wanted to agree with you that in a way, Trump...
Trump's first campaign was indeed the last gasp of white supremacy.
And it was this sort of Republican values-based, like the whites are better because we understand libertarianism.
And once we teach it to the blacks, they're going to get on our side and we can all live in a basically white-coded capitalist super state.
But now that has failed.
I want to say this earlier.
But I mean, it's my belief that the Republicans are turning to the sort of multi-ethnic, you know, off-white, brownish, conservative movement they're creating now because white people are too smart for republicanism.
They shouldn't appeal to us, right?
Even if they aren't white consciously, I think any self-respecting white person should see.
You know, this idea of, like, debt slavery and working in a corporation run by smelly Indians.
And it's just like, ah, that's not for me.
That's really not what we were put here for.
Now we should, we crave the chariots.
We have to go back.
Return. Yeah.
A different country from people who think that.
Well, let's make it official.
Let us part amicably and go our own way.
There is no other solution.
Whether I live to see it or not, there will be an ingathering of our people on this continent and we will finally succeed in building a new home in North America for Europeans and their civilization.
white people deserve to live in a country that does not tell them that they are dirt.
Norman Rockwell, again, just like mid-century liberalism.
I I
Is that too much to ask?
No. It's something everywhere deserves.
Yeah. Okay.
First off, it's like, by your own assessment, if whites, even if they offered the white ethnostate in the nicest possible way, they would be slaughtered by the evil federal government.
So, this is a pretty bold...
It's not like...
They're going to let you...
The government is going to let you be a white nationalist.
Now, I get it.
The FBI might knock on your door and you're going to get fired from your job.
I get all that.
But they're not just going to kill you.
And they are going to deliver the mail, and your electricity will work if you are just an outright white nationalist, etc.
Those people, I don't know, Blood Tribe or whatever, I saw on Twitter this morning, they did another rally in North Dakota or something.
So they're allowed to exist.
Actually reducing the footprint of the American state.
I would hazard that they would kill you for doing that.
You would be killed very quickly.
You would absolutely be killed quickly.
What Jared Taylor is talking about is one, it's defeatist.
We built this entire nation.
I don't want to give it up and go live in a little corner of America and be like, oh, you guys just have this.
And two, while I do agree with him that America is done in the sense that what we knew in our current political system, moving forward, it is not going to work.
So if you look at America as our government and our system and stuff, yes, it's completely failed at this stage.
And there's no way to vote our way out of it.
No matter who we vote for, it's not going to be here long.
But it's also like, how do you segregate?
How do you just move away?
And like you were saying, the government will kill you.
If I said, I'm gonna buy up a bunch of land and I'm gonna make a white commune.
And if there was more than like a dozen people or so moving there, the government is going to get involved.
And they're gonna...
In turn, arrest you or kill you.
So I don't see any way to create just this peaceful white colony and step away.
You can't do it.
You're allowed to have the views.
That's a white commune.
Scientology? Yeah, that's a white commune.
But they didn't.
Scientology only was regularized when the government was like, okay, if You'll be a 501c3 and create this weird Hollywood cult.
The white race is a 501c3.
I just think, well, first off, outside of some things fall apart, outside of some...
Truly political degeneration situation.
I think you would be killed for doing what he's saying.
Now, might we enter political disintegration?
That's obviously possible.
It's happened before many times.
So it's obviously possible.
But we have to recognize that his...
Oh, sorry.
You're roboting there.
Yeah, there are a lot of roboting.
Okay. I might have to mute you.
Sorry. I'm sorry, Mike.
I had to...
I can't mute because I'm...
Oh, no.
I don't know if you can hear us, Mike.
There you go.
Sorry. There was some heavy roboting going there.
Okay. But I would take this further.
And say that getting in touch with real causation is also getting in touch with the theory of what you're doing going forward.
So if you can understand why America and the West ended up here, and I think there's economic reasons, to be sure, but I think it's fundamentally spiritual.
Excuse me.
Then you could start to understand how you could develop a society that won't become like this.
Because I guarantee you, because Jared Taylor is not talking about white people in general.
There are a lot of white liberals who wouldn't want to join this new community wherever it would arise.
Like in the Alabama suburbs or something.
They would say, no, hell no.
I want to live in these DEI, multiracial, liberal institutions.
I'm going to play the game and try to stay on top, and I believe in this, it's meaningful to me, etc.
But even if you thought that these good Republican voting whites could go start their sovereign nation, Why would you believe that it wouldn't become the exact same thing as America is right now?
Unless you fundamentally get your hands around causes.
Why? Who?
What? How this happened?
Did this and how this happened?
You need to examine that.
You can't just endlessly complain about...
I get it.
I don't disagree with that observation, but you have to understand why they act like that.
Are they just inherently wicked?
Or is there something else going on?
And if you can't assess that, then your starting a new country is just meaningless.
Because it's going to end up exactly the same.
Just to use one example, because I was thinking about this in the suburbs of Alabama.
The South itself was totally based from a Jared Taylor perspective.
They were segregationists.
They didn't want their young daughters fraternizing with black people.
They didn't want them drinking at the same water fountain notoriously.
Through a number of mechanisms, I actually think sports should not be underestimated as a mechanism for this transformation.
The South became institutionally integrated.
Still segregated in terms of where you go to church, where you live in the burbs.
Agreed. But it's institutionally integrated.
And it's spiritually integrated.
There are no megachurches where you can go where people are singing the praises of the Aryan race.
They're singing the praises of Israel or they're singing the praises of black overcoming to a new world where we children are hand in hand with barbecues and the American flag and love and togetherness.
You live in a world where an Alabama white Who wears polo shirts and Ray-Bans and is totally...
The frat boys who supported Israel recently will support Israel.
They will also worship black football players.
So there's something in America that leads towards this.
And if you're not going to examine what that is, then...
What is the point of creating your new country?
Jared Taylor is, in my view, very desperate for some sort of new country he can move to or something.
Because I don't think he knows that he is not willing or able to create any sort of relevant cultural change.
The response to this is we need some sort of new cultural orientation for white people that's going to make them better.
He knows he can't create that.
Some old, bitter man is not going to convince the young people to retry center-right libertarianism, and it'll work this time.
That's not going to happen.
But I don't think he's willing to give up that cultural lens to view the world with.
You know, I think his dream is some angry white people start a new country somewhere in the U.S. and he can just go there and he could be their new leader and teach them how to do free market economics properly or whatever it is.
Or just kind of live in a gated community, in effect.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm sure if there was a gated community that had a mall and a movie theater inside of it, he would be fine.
He wouldn't need his new country anymore.
That would be the new implicit white culture.
Anyway, I've told Jared this.
He just doesn't...
He's kind of unable to engage in that sort of dialectic where you could move beyond this.
Again, I don't think most...
I don't think most people would really disagree with a lot of his basic observations.
But it's going the next step and asking why and how and what would this new order be based on.
That's kind of like the hard work.
And if you don't want to do that...
You're not going to get anywhere.
And doing that is going to kind of alienate you from a lot of these white people.
Thank you.
Anyway, does anyone want to add anything else or maybe
offer a defense of Jared?
Colin.
I know that we've said this before, but his vision and people who share even anything similar to it, it's just completely contrary to the white nature.
I mean, we purposely go and live amongst other peoples in a hierarchy.
That is all of white history.
It's just conquest.
And expansion and making the world abide by a system that we've created.
You can look at the world and see that.
Most countries, at least ostensibly, even if they're completely corrupt klepto-states, at least say that they have a political system that they inherited from the British and the French.
We went to Africa and to Asia.
At no point, except for now, because we're so spiritually dead, as you've said, have we ever wanted to just live like that?
We've always gone and sought new places, new people.
There is no ultimate solution in anything that he presents that is going to avoid the same degeneration.
Led to his lament in the first place, as you've said.
But also, as you've said many times, it's like, that's just not the white spirit.
It never has been.
It's just so gay, essentially.
Yeah. Does anyone else want to...
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, I would wonder, maybe you can ask him next time you guys are at the secret alt-right meeting where you all talk to each other.
I don't think I'll ever see Jared Taylor again, actually.
I mean, in a way, sadly, I don't dislike him personally, but there's so much bitterness and the alt-right kind of ruined any sort of relationship.
It was very...
It's very weird.
But, you know, it is what it is.
Right. But go on.
You were about to say something.
I would wonder if, like, what does this nation do?
Like, are we going to reconquer all of our white homelands and, you know, bring white paradise to them?
Or does he envision, like, the city on the hill thing, like every other Republican, where we're going to sit down?
In the slightly larger version of the gated community and then people will see how awesome we are and they'll just change.
Yeah. You know, that might be a nice...
I don't think anything like a revolution to have a miniature white state somewhere in America would ever work.
I don't think it's practical or smart.
But, you know, it could be a nice idea if the next thing was and then we develop nukes and invade everyone else.
But I doubt he's very interested in that.
No, no, no.
I think he would reject that.
I mean, he even is claiming that an amical divorce, it would be like the Czechoslovakia, the 1990s.
We're just like, oh, hey, let's just go our own way kind of thing.
Chat off Rizler.
Hello. Can you hear me alright?
Yes. Okay, so I agree with your take that Jared's whole worldview is problematic short-term and long-term, and it's cucked.
But I would say you and Nick Flint has white
national divorce, and I've kind of called it cucking, which I think the way Jared is...
But I do think that there could be a tactical advantage to having, like, it's like a tactical retreat, almost, in that if you look at how Jews kind of leverage their having their own states, they're able to use,
like, tax.
And the education system to kind of develop all of these radicals that can then go out into the world and act in the interest of Jews in this very organized way while having this hub that they could kind of operate out of like a headquarters.
And if I had the ability to kind of lay out my idea, it would be nice to have something like that.
While not necessarily just forfeiting everywhere else, but kind of like having a hub where white people can speak to each other and amongst each other and develop our own ideas and reorient ourselves.
And then, you know, from there, we could do different things, right?
We could explore.
We have this already.
It's called the temperate zone.
It's where all the whites are.
Literally a huge ring around the world.
We live and we're still majority white and we could talk to each other.
I don't see fantasizing about a new state like that would be necessary.
Just move to Alaska.
Move anywhere up north.
Go to New Hampshire.
That's racially pure.
It's even libertarian.
It's already its own state.
Yeah, we had these hubs and they became this.
So you're still begging the question, which is how are we going to orient the world in the 21st century and beyond?
I somewhat agree with the idea of having a hub.
It would be nice if people who are sort of like us could gather in a sort of collective geographic zone somewhere in the United States.
But that would exclusively be for creating a hub to start a cultural movement.
And also, what we've learned in a way is isolation generates delusion.
If you go, there's the temperate zones.
Moving to Alaska or Wyoming or Montana or whatever, there's also going into a suburb in Dallas and shopping at Neiman Marcus or some Alabama suburb.
Are you going to be more or less likely to change the world by going to this safe zone, like a safe space?
I think you're going to be a lot less likely.
Well, if we have a safe space, you could, I think, control media there.
And I know that you say that we've had these areas before, but if they're not really formalized or acknowledged explicitly out in the open...
They were formalized, though.
We used to not let non-whites immigrate to the United States.
It was formalized.
I don't think the German Empire was anything but a German Empire that was formalized.
It fell apart.
It's all gone now.
I would say that's because it's based off of Christianity, so it's useless to us anyway.
I would think that you're probably, I don't know if you're a pagan or not, or a REM theorist, or a Chad Apollonian like me, but I'd assume that this idea is we're going to have Christian morality in media.
We're going to ban porn.
We'll be based Catholic.
And we had that society for a long time.
And it failed us.
It was either...
I mean, I'm making an argument.
Who is this guy who's like a libertarian theorist about the Constitution?
I'm forgetting his name at the moment.
But he made this just essential...
He was an anarchist himself, but he made this just essential point, which is that we are where we are now in terms of the development of...
socialism and the nation and even slavery to some extent.
So either the Constitution was feckless towards the growth of the modern state, or it facilitated the growth of the modern state.
But it's either or, because we are where we are.
So either...
Christian communities or Christian monarchies or happy homelands or whatever.
I remember that was done by Ramsey Paul, happy homelands.
Either those are weak and ineffectual vis-a-vis the triumph of liberalism, or, and this is actually what I believe, they facilitate the triumph of liberalism.
So, at some point, you're begging the question.
A hub is great, and it would be fun.
It would be like summer camp, where we would all go and be like, oh, wow, look, there are no crazy black ladies screaming at us anymore.
Not that that's all that bad, but in 30 years, you are going to be exactly where we are right now.
If you do not change the spiritual outlook of Aryans and thus change the spiritual outlook of the world.
I agree with you on that.
I would just say that if you were going to establish a base or some area like that, I wouldn't have the liberalism, I guess, would be the kind of discussions you'd want to have right off the bat.
That we can't run things the same way we were running things and expect to arrive in a different place.
I also don't necessarily think it's a given that this delusion would form if you're isolated from these people.
Because we have the internet now.
If you're in an all-white area, you could see how things are in South Africa.
Well, if we bring them here, that would happen again.
I think the delusion formed because...
The media painted them in the best possible light and shamed and brainwashed people into this individualism.
Back when we were more Christian and conservative.
Africans, as it were, have always been running around with pointy sticks and eating each other.
So when we were bringing them in the first time with the based Reagan Republicans, I don't know when exactly we'll just say based Reagan Republicans because they dislike them.
The base conservative, you know, rational governance sort of people.
They also saw the people eating each other and running around with pointy sticks and decided, ah, we'll bring them in, it'll be fine.
So what is new here in this society that blocks this?
Because seeing that Africans aren't good at...
Western civilization obviously isn't new because they've never been good at Western civilization.
They've never been able to trick us into believing they were good at it.
That's why we put them all on welfare immediately.
I mean, this was before germ theory and before the discovery of DNA, though, to be fair, isn't it?
We understand biologically that they're different now.
They probably thought they were more biologically different back then.
They didn't even consider them human back then.
You used to be able to charter hunting parties to go to Africa and shoot pygmy Africans.
You can't do that anymore now, can you?
We have to pretend they're just like us.
They were probably, without your scientific genetics, far more based and racist than you are now with DNA and germ theory.
That's fair enough.
So now, if we had this Apollonianism or REM theory, if that became more mainstream, would you see the benefits of having a central hub then?
Sure. Yeah, and somewhere that's culturally relevant.
No offense to Montana, but you have to put it somewhere in a population zone with at least a few thousand people.
Well, we do have a million, but I understand your point.
A million and an empty field.
We have 7 million cows and 1 million human beings, by the way.
I obviously think we should be creating civilization.
The hub should be in Rome or Boston or Berlin or Paris or something.
The happy homeland idea is...
I mean, again, I say this as someone who lives in a happy homeland, but I find the happy homeland idea just to be totally toxic.
I mean, it's not who we are.
It's like desiring to be naive.
Well, it's Christianity sort of muzzling the area with really dumb, boring...
The bourbon lifestyle.
We'll put it this way.
Apollonianism will thrive in places where they have walkable streets.
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