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Nov. 17, 2023 - RadixJournal - Richard Spencer
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Israel's Legitimacy Crisis

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit radixjournal.substack.comAdam Green joins the show to discuss the crisis in the Holy Land. More damaging than any tank or bomb is the collapsing legitimacy of Israel’s actions and the Jewish state more generally. The American elite is on board with Israel’s war against Hamas, but among the public at large, we are witnessing an explosion of anti-Zionist and even anti-semitic fee…

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Oh, Adam Green is here.
I'm here.
What's up?
Can you hear me?
We can hear you.
How are you doing?
I'm doing well.
Thanks for having me.
A lot to talk about.
Oh, really?
What's going on?
Oh, I don't know.
The Candace Owens, Ben Shapiro, the Elon Musk.
You're being sarcastic.
I got you.
Yeah, not much.
Not much.
Pretty boring.
Let me just say this.
I think there's a lot of times when people get overly excited about something, you know, and like Elon Musk will tweet out something.
Or I can remember this in the Trump years where Trump will be like, you know, Baltimore, Maryland is a shithole.
It's filled with rats and whatever.
And everyone's like, oh, let's go.
You know, everyone's getting red-pilled by this.
You know, we're going to have national socialism tomorrow afternoon.
We're so back.
Yeah, we're so back.
They have about three phrases.
Let's go.
We're so back.
It's over.
That's their mood chart.
But anyway, obviously, I think it's worthwhile being critical and poo-pooing these things.
But I say this, and I'm not even saying this in the sense that I necessarily...
Endorse it all or think that I'm gonna or we're gonna benefit from it or whatever.
I'm just saying it purely objectively.
We are witnessing an explosion online and around the world of, I don't even want to say red pill, of anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic feelings.
And it is Across the board, the left, the right, mainstream right, normies who have suddenly, if TikTok stats can be believed, have a sudden appreciation for Osama bin Laden.
I mean, I don't, I don't, I look at this, I'm trying to stay critical, and I'm not even necessarily, you know, saying like, oh, we've won now, or, you know, next step, Apollonian Empire.
I'm not, I'm not a silly person, but we are, Undoubtedly seeing just an explosion of awareness.
And it wasn't actually about red-pilling people, although maybe that had a kind of primer-like effect.
It's coming from the fact that people really felt sympathy for Israel on October 9th, or what was that?
Yeah, October 7th, for good reason.
Now you are watching, for all the eyes of the world to see, a mass ethnic cleansing.
And the United States is apparently paralyzed to stop it and can kind of vaguely suggest not even a ceasefire, that's too far, but a humanitarian pause or we're going to send in the UN troops afterward.
I mean, there is just this...
Moral, but also physical paralysis in the face of this.
And they're seeing many Jewish representatives saying things that they just can't believe, talking about canceling people, ruining them.
You know, we're making a list and checking it twice, as Rappaport said recently.
This sports idiot.
Who's Jewish and has all sorts of problems.
But, you know, what else is this outside of a 21st century anti-Semitic frenzy?
I mean, I don't think I'm exaggerating here.
But let's just talk a little bit about the big picture of it all.
It's amazing that Rappaport could...
So brazenly say, oh, we're putting all you anti-Semites on lists when they're the ones that are always crying about Schindler's List and being put on lists.
No self-awareness at all.
And the one thing I can't get out of the back of my mind with all of this supposed rising anti-Semitism is that this is actually what the rabbis and their prophecies believe is going to happen.
In the end times, that there's going to be all of the world rising anti-Semitism and turning against them and these big wars.
So they see, a lot of rabbis say that the Hamas attack was the beginning of their redemption.
And that this is, they're optimistic because they see how the war of Gag and Magog with Russia and Iran versus Edom in America is all aligned and about to unfold.
Did you see the new Economist thing today?
Donnie Darkin shared it.
Economist magazine has Trump on the cover with his face over half the world saying Trump 2024.
I did see that, actually.
The Economist is just about six weeks behind Richard Spencer, as usual.
Hey, man, you're one of the first.
I'm the first to get Donnie Darkin done.
And I was talking about that stuff even before Donnie Darkin started his account.
I totally stole that.
That is absolutely true.
But what I mean...
He put out a prediction video that he thinks Trump's going to be back in and play the savior role.
And then, quote, Edom is going to be destroyed.
I don't doubt any of this.
What I was actually saying is that I got these feelings post-Hamas attack.
And I think I had this kind of...
Feeling in my gut with all of the prosecutions and civil trials of Trump that the deep state doesn't know how to respond to him.
The deep state's unable or unwilling, and in this case unable, to just defeat him outright politically.
And so they're using a legal mechanism in order to oppress him.
And that's not to say that a lot of these cases have, like, a great deal of truth to them.
I mean, just take the document.
I mean, I don't give a shit about the Stormy Daniels payoff money or whatever.
But, you know, just take the documents case as an example.
I think there's a lot of reality to it.
Legality is like a tactic.
It's a neutral mechanism.
And we all know that there's prosecutorial discretion and that most people kind of get away with it.
So you're choosing to use this mechanism against this person in order to counteract him.
And whether it's legitimate or not, it just doesn't matter because he is a political force and he is an almost religious force as well.
He represents something much And so you really are taking a knife to a gunfight, or taking a knife to a nuclear war, in a way.
And it's going to fail.
And the more you press in these ways, when you create this existential quality to the 2024 election, where it's like, either he wins, or he dies in jail.
That's where it is.
Win or die.
And that is going to We moralize his support like nothing else.
And then you add on top of this, look, presidents who are suffering from a protest backlash do poorly.
It doesn't even matter what it's about.
It could be the Vietnam War with LBJ, who won a huge landslide election against Goldwater and then pulls out during the Democratic primary.
BLM.
You know, it kind of got a lot of right-wingers excited.
That's true.
It might have helped Trump to some degree.
But it's just a kind of demoralizing thing to walk outside of the White House and there are a bunch of people with signs yelling at you.
And Biden is going to face that demoralization.
And by his own voters, or at least people who would vote left or who the left likes.
You know, anti-war activist, left-wing academic types.
He's facing this demoralization.
And that just does not bode well at all.
And so, yeah, I mean, I think Trump is going to win.
And it's crazy, and I'm kind of going out on a limb, but that is just simply how I view it.
And as you know, I got off the Trump train.
And I think a lot of that MAGA stuff is just basically useless.
But it doesn't matter because it's a religious...
Don't examine it in terms of technicalities or legalities.
It's a fundamentally religious movement.
And they have the power of faith behind them.
Biden has the power of avuncular chicken soup behind him.
Of like, oh, let's all just be normal.
It's going to be okay.
I'll be friendly to you guys.
And he's facing a wave of hatred for him.
Hatred.
You're going to kill another 10,000 babies and just oversee it and claim that a ceasefire is impossible and, you know, I'm going to go visit Israel and pow around with Netanyahu?
Yeah, fuck you, from my opinion.
But also, my emotional F you is what is felt By millions of his own voters.
And so like, yeah, we're going to see it.
We are going to see Trump, this narcissistic game show host, bring about something.
I don't even know what it is.
I think the economists, they want to kind of get out ahead of it.
And they want to warn people of it.
They want to prepare for it.
They also don't want to be caught with their pants down.
And, you know, predicting an easy victory for Biden and a return to normalcy.
They kind of want to be like, whoa, we're warning about this thing.
This guy is coming.
And you can fucking convict him, and it's not going to matter.
Because he's the anti-price, bros.
This is what we're dealing with here.
Anyway, so I'll let you jump in on any thread you want to pull on that one, Adam.
The archetypal role of...
A messiah that's actually going to be the destruction of EDOM.
Hey, were you, just curious, were you on the space earlier, the Keith Wood space?
Yes, I was listening in while I was doing some stuff.
And very interesting.
I mean, I have to say, I think Nick's and Keith's analysis was pretty spot on, like politically speaking.
And if you want to talk a little bit about what they said.
I didn't catch all of it.
I was doing stuff and couldn't hear it.
But as far as the political analysis, I agree with those guys on most things.
It's only the religious angle when they want to turn it into all about Jesus and fighting over who the Messiah is.
That's where I feel the trap that they fall in where we're never going to beat them.
At the game if we're playing their game, which is fighting over who the Messiah is.
Right.
I totally agree.
Well, their political analysis, I think, was actually spot on.
And to bring up some of Mark's ideas, I think we're seeing a sort of collapse of the Caduceus or the Caducean nature of Jewish intellectual power.
And they didn't use those words.
I did.
But it's what they were describing.
So the caduceus is like left and right, Coke and Pepsi, Democrats, Republicans, Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant.
It's a kind of fake struggle that people get excited about and does matter on some level.
God and Satan, Jesus and the Antichrist, Jacob and Esau.
And it's all part of the Judeo paradigm, though.
Right.
To put it real bluntly, and this is what's breaking down.
So what we've seen over my lifetime has been tax cuts, freedom, blah, blah, blah, and then socialism, feminism, blah, blah, blah.
But they all assume Zionism.
There's no, like, the staff is Zionism, if we want to extend this metaphor, and the two snakes that are fighting are like, you know, freedom versus democracy or whatever.
But, and those are real issues, you know, to be fair, but you're assuming something much bigger than that.
I think that Adam was about to allude to this, or mentioned it at least, but the book of Job, Sort of describes it perfectly, right?
Because there you literally see Satan and Yahweh in a conspiracy to ruin the life of Job, who is a prophet to the Gentiles.
He represents a Gentile figure.
And they're conspiring to do it, essentially.
And so that becomes a kind of perfect illustration of the Caducean, or that parable, I think.
It describes it perfectly.
But it also exists, of course, in the Garden of Eden, because these are the same characters in the Garden of Eden.
The serpent is Satan and so forth.
But yeah, I mean, I think things are unraveling.
I mean, I think that we may have to add the idea or the clause that toward the end of the Caducean, it turns into the Eurborus, this serpent that eats its own tail, right?
But, yeah, I think things are sort of rapidly deteriorating.
And it's interesting to watch because it does seem like they're in a full panic mode.
Elon Musk is absolutely central to this process.
I mean, I don't think anyone has been more critical.
You know, whatever criticisms we have of the guy, I think that, Richard, you would have to agree that he is the one who's affected the climate the most, right?
Yeah.
And this is why Jews are panicking, essentially.
But he just goes to show that might is right.
I mean, the guy is, you know, for like a billionaire who's, you know, who owns like an important, you know, media outlet or channel to turn on them is, you know, that's basically a game changer.
But yeah, it shows that might is right.
So as much as this is the other thing about, you know, the Christians in this sphere.
Nothing shows white is right more than Elon Musk just waking up one day and saying, yeah, that's right.
Actually, the Jews are anti-white.
What's with all this anti-white media?
Suddenly, it's red alert.
Let's talk about what actually happened.
We're on the same page.
We can also listen to some...
Clips, if you'd like.
Yeah, yeah.
There's a lot of interesting media out there that'd be fun to listen to.
Yeah, well, before we do the clips, I want to let Adam talk a little bit.
But let me just kind of represent what happened.
So someone posted a video of something that I've seen a number of times.
And it's this public service announcement.
It's a kind of soft focus camera.
And there's this white dad, boomer dad, who takes his son and he's in the car and he was like, oh, you want to say Hitler was right or whatever?
And it was like, go tell it to them.
And then they show a Jewish temple or a school or shula, I guess, in this case.
And, you know, it's a kind of like, it's recognizing the fact that a lot of teenagers and...
And people in their 20s are, you know, watching Nick Fuentes live stream or into some extreme thing and they're tweeting it out there.
And it's a kind of like, why don't you do it?
You know, show your face and do it.
Oh, no, it looks like you're afraid, aren't you?
And it is funny because there was some guy who is...
Really unknown who chimed in and he was like, well, actually, I will say it under my own name and my own face.
And he said, you know, you are promoting anti-white hatred and you're promoting mass immigration.
And that's why you're receiving this backlash.
And then Elon, in his kind of typical way, he didn't just post an emoji or an exclamation mark.
He actually said, like, this is absolutely correct.
And so he endorsed this guy who I think at the time had like 2,000 followers or something.
He was just some dude, you know.
And the guy himself has been like, oh, you know, I'm not an anti-Semite.
I'm just reacting to behavior.
But like, the bell has been rung and it doesn't matter.
Like, I think a lot of conservatives will do this kind of stuff where they're like, well, I'm not Hitler.
But I'm just going to say this.
And it's like, it doesn't matter.
It's almost worse or something from their eyes.
But anyway, Elon has not backed down from that.
And that is remarkable.
I've been so amazed by it, too.
Even after his...
His sit down with Ben Shapiro and the panel of rabbis and the president of Israel, where even there, his autistic self, they said, come and visit the Holocaust Museum.
He said, oh, that's okay.
I've seen, I know the history.
I've seen the pictures of the shoes.
He literally said that.
And then later, 10 minutes later, he was like, oh, actually, maybe I do have a gigabyte factory in Germany.
I could go visit it and come by.
But now, and did you guys see the news that IBM just pulled their ads?
We're going to see a cascade of big companies making a big public display.
And the boycott, the ADL boycott of Elon Musk and X is going to be back in the news again.
Well, surely.
I mean, yeah, there's no doubt.
Because, I mean, it's a meaningless comment on some level.
You're just being a reply guy.
You know, but yeah, the guy, you know, he's a hero to conservatives.
He's the richest man in the world who was or it's on paper or whatever.
I mean, he's obviously a massively important figure.
And he's also kind of like gone further.
I mean, Trump never really said things like this.
Trump would say things like...
He never said Jews are anti-white.
Definitely not.
No.
And he was just like, I don't need your money.
When he went to some Jewish organizations, which I think was pretty agey.
Yeah, he did take Sheldon Adelson.
Supposedly, there was some meeting with Sheldon Adelson, and he knocked Trump off the track of, you know, a two-state solution or something like this.
So, yeah.
But this was just really direct.
Very clear.
It's a kind of Kevin McDonald, you know, type thing.
And you're just seeing this all over the place.
And to go back to the Caduceus metaphor of like two snakes fighting on a twirling staff.
So the left is pretty much anti-white.
You know, I mean, like you've got white liberals who, you know, want to hold on to their...
Privilege and prestige, but will kind of like go listen.
They'll invite black ladies over to their dinner parties to get harangued and they'll purchase books about white privilege and they'll wring their hands and gnash their teeth and all that kind of stuff.
But there's a lot of genuine anti-white animus on the left.
And they basically see Israel as a white Colonize or stay to settler colonialism.
And at the very least, as just engaging in mass slaughter of poor brown people.
I mean, it's just in their face.
And the right, I think a lot of them will probably sympathize with Israel precisely because it is fascist.
And so, you know, you see this a lot of places like, you know, oh, yeah, that's...
Take that Hamas or whatever.
We're on the side of civilization or might makes right away.
Whatever they're going to say, you're going to have that.
But the bell was rung with the alt-right.
The bell was rung with Nick Fuentes.
The bell was rung with Candace Owens.
And it just can't be unrung.
And so they don't really feel secure on the right.
And the ADL had...
Put all this investment in attacking the right and so on.
And so these, the Caduceus, it's like, it was like in a perfect twirl for a long time.
And you still see that perfect twirl with like elected officials.
So, you know, Fetterman, Ape Man, he'll like wave a flag, you know, go, and then like Katie Hopkins will be anti-Hama.
I mean.
That twirl, it's among elected officials, it's still kind of working, but the elected officials need legitimacy.
And if it breaks, if the Caducean breaks down among the public at large, I would think it's safe to say, and definitely among activists and intellectuals, and it's like a wobbling...
It's like you're putting on a play, but the lights go out and everyone forgets their lines.
And someone throws a stink bomb in the theater and the audience runs out.
It's just not working.
And I don't think they can rescue it at this point.
Yeah, so I think it's over.
I think the horse is out of the barn.
Something has happened that I don't think you can go back from.
The toothpaste is out of the tube?
Yes.
There are more metaphors here.
I feel like it's a make or break time right now.
They're vulnerable.
It's make it or break it.
They're desperate.
They're cornered.
Their backs are against the wall, which is why I think it's such a dangerous time right now.
Where there's a number of things they could do that could escalate the war and get us involved against Iran that would cascade into a larger conflict.
And I can't stop going back to how obsessed these people are with the destruction of EDOM.
And how the view in the Talmud, and I've seen clips of rabbi after rabbi talking about how both Rome and Jerusalem cannot coexist.
When one is up, the other one must be down.
So they are hell-bent on destroying Western civilization, America and Europe.
And, I mean, the debt that we're in right now and the control that they have over and how they're...
Using Christianity in the West to become more Judaized and kosher collaborators by the year.
And it's a big topic right now how they're losing the youth.
The demographics show that the future is not on their side for support of Israel.
So it's like now is the time for them to make their move.
There's a verse in the New Testament when the fullness of the Gentiles...
When Christianity has played out his course and served its role, then it will be destroyed, is how I interpret that.
When the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled, as it says in Luke.
And I think we're at that time right now.
Ben Shapiro had a video last week.
He says this is how the West ends.
He got God sod all over Twitter talking about the West.
Ben Shapiro saying the latent anti-Semitism in the West.
All this narrative about the West.
Collapsing.
The new Rome collapsing.
These people...
I just responded.
Ben Shapiro tweeted.
He said, This is because the West taught an entire generation of its children that the West is itself evil and ought to be destroyed.
These are the wages of the pathetic lack of self-confidence.
All of his rabbi friends and Chabad Lubavitch, who he works with, want Edom to be destroyed.
It's like their ultimate thing.
Their ultimate revenge fantasy.
How can he sit up here?
He knows this.
He's sitting up here and gaslighting the world when he's got this skeleton in his closet.
This secret.
It just blows my mind.
Well, I agree with you.
And I definitely think there's an esoteric level to it.
But I also agree with Ben Shapiro here.
Because I think we're seeing a kind of like...
Something has been brewing for a long time in many directions, and we're kind of seeing this fulfillment of it.
Yes, there is no doubt that anti-white or anti-colonial or anti-European or anti-fascist education has been promoted everywhere, from pre-K to PhD-level humanities studies.
That ultimately has consequences, you know?
You can't, I mean, whether you're a rabid anti-white hate monger or not, you can't take that moral system seriously and then look at Gaza and being like, oh yeah, that's alright.
Because, you know, I don't know, the Holocaust?
Like, Hitler?
Ooh, yeah.
Okay, that's fine.
Checks out.
I'll co-sign the bombing of a hospital.
Give me a fucking break!
You know?
And so, like, there actually are consequences.
Like, ideas have consequences.
As the conservatives love to quote from the book by, what was it, Garrett Garrett?
No, I assume it was someone else.
Like, ideas have consequences.
And we're seeing it.
And so, like...
It's on you at the end of the day.
Tucker was right.
Not only did you not stick up for whites when BLM was taking over Colombia or something like that, not only did you not do that, but you were actually continuing to fund it.
And now, the second Colombia makes, in many ways, reasonable criticisms of Israeli policy, now you're going to pull your billions.
Yeah.
It just doesn't work.
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