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Aug. 9, 2023 - RadixJournal - Richard Spencer
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The Trump Prophecy

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit radixjournal.substack.comDonnie Darkened joins Richard and the gang for a fascinating discussion about religious prophecy and the life and career of Donald Trump.

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Let's start off.
I'll set up my feelings on this matter.
I think that even if you do not believe in the Bible at all, even if you think all myth is hocus pocus, you are an utterly secular or scientifically minded person,
even such a man as this, or a woman, would admit that there's an Almost religious-like quality to Donald Trump and the upcoming election in 2024.
For Trump, it is win or die.
You are going to prison if you lose a presidential election, at least ostensibly.
And there's also a...
A kind of devotion to Trump that you don't see for Biden that can only be described as cult-like.
And I don't think I'm being unfair here.
I don't think I'm being just a shrill, liberal, disrespecting Republicans or something.
The mass rally, the kind of excitement and energy, crazy energy that goes on there, the kind of crazy notions that a lot of people will openly express of, you know, something like their bio labs in Ukraine or whatever.
But there's also things like Trump is actually the president right now.
He Biden is an actor or even a robot or something.
Trump is in charge You've heard it all.
There's a kind of reality-bending quality to it all.
Something like QAnon, on one level, it was a bizarre, gamified conspiracy theory, or all-encompassing conspiracy theory.
But on another level, it was a cult in the true sense of that term.
It was about good and evil.
It was about redemption.
Maybe Trump...
Was a sort of messiah in that cult?
I think I might need to look at it a little bit more to say for sure, but to a degree, that's definitely true.
So, you know, I can remember elections like the election of Bob Dole versus Bill Clinton, and there was a religious quality to that in the very minor sense of...
You know, Bill Clinton's a scoundrel and a sex addict or whatever.
And Bob Dole is a decent guy from Kansas who's a good old-fashioned Protestant or something like that.
But that was it.
It was merely on a personal level.
And it was a bit, you know, hit or miss.
But I feel like we fast forward 20, 30 years, and we've just reached a new stage of politics where politics itself has become religious-like.
all those ideas that this is kind of my perspective on on this matter mm-hmm yeah well you raise some interesting points that even if you are secular minded that there is a very religious and messianic arc happening right now with Donald Trump and the immense amount of support and following that he has some may even say it's a very cult like following where they see him as this messianic figure who's gonna bring a
about this new age of man through the destruction of the current order, which, you know, goes into a lot of the themes that I talk about with, you know, the beast system versus the harlot system and how in revelation 17, 16, it says that the beast, you know, the first, the woman rides the beast and then the beast destroys the harlot.
Hates her and burns her with fire and eats her flesh.
And what I believe we're seeing right now is the beast who, you know, represents this messianic figure who is going to deliver us from evil, right?
Much like Jesus, which is what the Antichrist is, a counterfeit version of Jesus, a counterfeit messiah who's going to bring about a counterfeit millennial kingdom.
Because in Revelation, it talks about Jesus comes, he destroys the beast system, and then brings about the Millennial Kingdom.
Well, the Antichrist is going to do exactly what Jesus did and is going to do in the Millennial Kingdom as to convince people that he is Christ.
And it's really interesting to see the parallels here.
Right now, we see Donald Trump being literally crucified right now with three indictments.
I expect one more indictment.
A fourth indictment, which I believe will symbolically represent the four nails put into Jesus.
I believe that we are going to see him sort of die and then resurrect.
And through his resurrection, he will bring about vengeance on his enemies, destroying them.
And then with it, this current order and its players and establish something new.
Which, if you look at a lot of the Q stuff they've been talking about, they've been talking about how what Trump is doing is ushering in the Millennial Kingdom, which, you know, they don't realize it, but what they're actually doing is they're ushering in the Beast Kingdom, which, again, is a counterfeit Millennial Kingdom by a counterfeit Christ.
Okay, fascinating.
So, isn't it...
Is it odd or maybe is it not that Trump is playing this role in the minds of so many people in the sense that, as many liberals pointed out, this guy seems to know next to nothing about the Bible.
There's a kind of peel, I guess is the man's name, the power of positive thinking presided over Trump's first marriage.
Isn't that correct?
Yeah, the guy you're talking about...
Norman Vincent Peale?
Norman Vincent Peale, yes, you're right.
Yeah, he wrote the book, The Power of Positive Thinking, and he was Trump's pastor.
And by the way, he's a 33rd degree Mason, but that's besides the point.
Yeah, so...
There's a very big, deep disconnect between Trump and the actual words of God.
I've said many times that I really don't believe Trump understands fully his role in all these things.
It's funny because a lot of people, when they think of the Antichrist, they think of this young, charming guy who's going to come and he's going to...
You know, he's going to appeal to both sides of politics and he's going to unite everyone, you know, both the left and the right into this common cause.
And he's going to be, you know, this Hollywood.
He's going to be very deceitful and he's going to be evil deep down inside and then he's going to have tyranny.
All these things really derive from the Left Behind series version of the Antichrist which I think has propelled a lot of people into really bad eschatology.
But when we read the Bible, what we really see the Antichrist is, is he is a proud, boastful, loud man who magnifies himself in his heart, who exalts himself above all who dwell on the earth, who really wants to be praised, worshipped, and adored.
Like Jesus was.
He sees the praise and the worship that Jesus gets, and he wants that for himself.
Because in his mind, he's number one.
In his mind, there is no one greater than him.
And what Trump is doing, and I think Trump is being led to do this.
Like I said, I don't think Trump really quite realizes his role.
But I think people in his circles like Kushner, I think people like, you know, the strong influences that, you know, kind of are in his backstage, I think that many of them may have a clue on what's going on.
And they're kind of just leading him down this path to fulfill this messianic arc for many different reasons.
Number one, the religious Jews in Israel have been long awaiting their chosen one, their chosen Mashiach.
Who would be the descendant of King David.
Mind you, Jesus is the true son of David, which is why he's called the son of David.
He fulfills the Davidic covenant.
But the Jews in Israel rejected Jesus.
They're still waiting for their son of David to come because what they're looking for is they're looking for a political leader.
They're looking for someone who's going to be a champion for Israel's causes and who's going to stand up against their enemies, which they see in Trump.
And I'm not sure if you've seen the thread that I posted.
It went quite viral.
Actually, it was my biggest thread.
It was the thread where the video attached to it was Trump receiving the Torah crown from the Israel Heritage Foundation.
And on their website, you did see that.
Okay.
I'm very curious.
When and how did you hear about me?
And how did...
I'm very curious.
Well, I...
You know, I have followed Adam Green, and I've actually interviewed him.
And I think he's, and Mark Brahman, who's on here as well, we're both interested in Adam Green.
There's some common ground and some not, you know, it's not so common ground as well.
And I listened to his interview of you, and I was mesmerized.
For a couple of reasons.
First off, Adam is usually a blowtorch kind of flamethrower.
But he wasn't with you.
He treated you respectfully and he listened to you.
And so, you know, even if I might ultimately disagree, I do want to hear you out.
Because you've thought through this and you're not just blowing wind.
You're kind of justifying.
What you're saying on the Bible.
So I feel like even if I will ultimately or might ultimately reject what you're saying, I feel like you're offering the most articulate and well-grounded version of what I think a lot of people are...
Or maybe they're thinking in the way of a kind of mirror image or dark mirror, you could say, or you're their dark mirror, whichever.
Because a lot of people I'm thinking of here love Trump, of course, and think he's going to save them.
But I feel like you were able to get to the essence of something.
And so I really appreciated that interview.
And then I've been after that and in the subsequent year, I've I've read a ton of your Twitter threads, and yeah, I mean, I'm fascinated, to be honest.
Well, give us a little bit of, yeah, I mean, you can obviously, you know, anonymity and all that kind of stuff, but give us a little bit about your own personal story, you know, in all this.
Absolutely.
Yeah, so it's really funny because a lot of people come on to my comments and they'll say things like, you know, you're just a TDS, you have TDS, you're just a Trump hater, you're probably a liberal shill, Democrat, DNC plant, all this, CIA fed, everything under the bus.
But I actually, and I've been very transparent with this, I was a very, very staunch Trump supporter.
I voted for him in 2016.
I even voted for him in 2020, actually.
It really wasn't until late 2020 that I started digging into this stuff.
And it's really interesting how a lot of this stuff seemed to get to me.
I didn't initially go searching for this kind of stuff.
This stuff really...
It almost seems like it was searching for me in a weird way.
But I got a taste of it.
I said, "Could it be?" I'm like, "No, there's just no way.
Impossible." So what I tried to do is I tried to kind of debunk this notion and the further and further down the The more things really started to look like, you know, this is the case.
And it's really quite fascinating because it was a very hard pill for me to swallow.
I like Trump.
I think Trump is funny and entertaining.
And I have no hate towards Trump at all.
I think he's very funny and entertaining.
And I voted for him twice.
And I'm in agreement with a large portion of his policies and decisions that he made as a president and his platforms.
But however, I can't allow my personal feelings to sort of blind me to this sort of huge mountain of evidence and so many signs pointing to this conclusion.
And it got to a point eventually where it was like...
I can no longer ignore this.
And I originally, when I made my Twitter account, I didn't really expect anyone to really follow it.
It was actually just a medium for me to post my findings, post different connections and things like this so I could kind of keep track of it all because my wife was kind of sick of hearing me talk about it all day, right?
So I had to talk about it somewhere.
And I'm doing this and, you know, it's attracted a lot of people.
And I think that the reason it has is because of just the level of, you know, of consistency and just so much.
I mean, there's just layers and layers and it just all points in one direction that, you know, essentially what's happening right now.
Ever since Trump left office, Joe Biden came into power.
And it just seems like everything that is happening right now is being done purposely and by design for the sole purpose of making you more likely to embrace a triumphant Trump return to power.
And to sort of fix all of the problems that have been occurring.
We have the Ukraine situation, what's happening with Russia and Ukraine.
And you have the likes of even Noam Chomsky, for example, who is a very famous leftist, saying that the only statesman that can solve peace for this is Donald Trump, which was very shocking for many to hear.
I mean, it's almost like...
Trump is being set up to be the peacemaker.
He's going to come back.
And it's funny because in Daniel 8, verse 25, it says that he shall magnify himself in his heart and by peace shall destroy many.
1 Thessalonians 5, verse 3, it says that in the last days, it says they shall cry out peace and safety and then sudden destruction cometh upon them as to avail a woman with child and they shall not escape.
When we're thinking about the Antichrist, most of the time we're thinking of clear tyranny.
We're thinking of clear antagonism to Christianity.
We're thinking of someone who's going to just be an outright obvious evil.
But that's not the case.
The Antichrist is someone who comes promising peace.
He comes as a peacemaker, and he comes as a false light.
2 Corinthians, I believe, chapter 4, verse 4, it says that Satan masquerades as an angel of light.
You know, the best way to target Christianity is not by overt adversity, but rather by infiltration.
And that's exactly what we see.
We see most of the church is so enamored and wondering after Donald Trump.
And we see, you know, these rising quote-unquote prophets who are prophesying about Trump and how, you know, God is sending them message about he is God.
Trump is his David.
And, you know, we need to be behind Trump and Trump is going to destroy the evil in the world.
He's going to bring the world out of darkness into light, which is a very interesting theme, which is a whole rabbit hole by itself, this darkness to light thing, as Q says.
And it's really quite fascinating to see, especially knowing the connections with Trump and the religious Jews in Israel.
Right now, the overseer of the tomb of King David, the rabbi there, he is trying to link Trump's genealogy to King David's directly, which would make him a legitimate candidate.
For the Moshiak.
Which is absolutely crazy.
In that thread, I showed how Lev Parnas, in a secret meeting, Lev Parnas and others told Trump that his numbers match the same as Messiah, 424, which they're right about.
Donald John Trump, when you translate it to Hebrew and put it into Dermatria, equals 424, as well as Messiah, son of David, also equals 424 in Hebrew Dermatria.
And Lev Parnas was pointing this out to Trump, and then Lev Parnas said something interesting.
He said...
It's amazing.
It's almost like you're the savior of the whole world.
It's really quite interesting.
And then the next day, Trump goes to visit the Western Wall, and the moment his hand touches the wall, the time turns to 424, the exact moment that he touches the wall.
By the way, he was the first sitting U.S. president to visit the Western Wall during presidency.
And he also did so many things.
He moved the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
And that was a religious statement.
When he did that, he made the statement that Jerusalem is Israel's eternal capital.
And I don't think people realize how big of a deal these things that Donald Trump did for Israel.
I think, you know, a lot of people say, you know, that, you know, oh, you know, Israel first, all this.
But I mean, I don't think a lot of people really dig deeper and see what's really going on here.
And what I believe we're seeing is we are seeing the Jews preparing to embrace their Messiah who's going to lead them into their messianic age through fulfilling these Davidic prophecies.
Like, Jesus is going to in the Millennial Kingdom, but that's what the Antichrist does.
He is a counterfeit.
So, it's really all very fascinating.
When you see a lot of these prophets and a lot of these NAR, like, evangelicals and religious Jews, I mean, they really see him as a messianic figure set by God to change the world.
This is all fascinating.
Let me...
I want to talk a...
A little bit about both the identity of the Messiah and then also the identity of the Antichrist.
But before I do that, let me just get a little more...
I'm curious, and I think it's important as well.
So are you in your 20s or 30s or 40s?
I'm 29. Okay, so you're in your late 20s.
So over your youth, you kind of experienced the whole Trump era.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
That's interesting.
It's very interesting, actually.
So, like, you know, I was very deep into the Trump fan base.
I've been to the White House.
I was at January 6th.
I wasn't in a building or anything.
Good.
But I did go to that rally.
And, you know, when things started getting crazy, you know, we got out of there.
That was smart.
Let me set some things up here.
I'll tell a little quick anecdote here because it's fairly funny.
I was in Dallas, Texas around the year 2000.
I'm about 15 years older than you.
I was actually working out at the YMCA gym.
There was a cute girl and she was leaving the gym and I decided to strike up a conversation, as one does.
And she was holding a book that had the Antichrist and Lucifer on it.
And so this, I guess, maybe shows how bad I am at game because I'm...
So lost in my head.
It's kind of funny.
So I was like, oh, The Antichrist.
I was like, oh yeah, I'm super into Nietzsche.
Have you ever read The Antichrist by Nietzsche?
And she was like, oh no, I don't know who Nietzsche is.
And then I was like, so what's that book about?
It sounds awesome.
And she was like, oh, it's the Left Behind series.
And the NWO is going to install Lucifer.
And I was kind of like, I was so close.
I was so close to meeting you.
I was like, I just can't.
But some of, you know, some people who are younger might not know this.
I mean, they might have heard of the Left Mind series with like Kirk Cameron and I think Nicolas Cage was in one.
But this was, I guess you could say it was a lot like Q. It was an underground bestseller.
In a place like Dallas, Texas, where it's sort of in the South, there's a lot of Christians in Texas, a lot of conservatives in Texas.
And this was a really important thing for them.
No one was talking about it.
If you were like me and you watched the mainstream media or read the New York Times or were reading Nietzsche or whatever, you'd never heard of it.
If you went to an evangelical church, or maybe even if you're a Catholic, I don't know, everyone was passing this book around.
It was a huge bestseller, sold millions of copies, and it seemed to also lead directly into the Iraq War and Bush era.
And a lot of people who maybe...
Probably voted for Bush, but kind of, I don't know, maybe reluctantly or in a lukewarm fashion.
Soon, there was a cult around Bush that I think can be directly traced, actually, to Left Behind.
There was a sense of invading Iraq, we're striking against Babylon, and there was all of this stuff.
And someone like me who's secular minded, I would be like, all right, this is nonsense.
It's just a bunch of, you know, it's the neocons want this and, you know, blah, blah, blah.
But maybe I don't...
How I think about something is not necessarily how other people do.
There was a religious moment then, too.
You know, 2005 inaugural address from George W. Bush, where he said, this is our charge.
We are effectively tasked by God to bring democracy to the world.
I mean, you know, you could say, oh, that's like liberalism on steroids.
But what what is that outside of some kind of messianic message?
I mean, it was poetically expressed.
You know, it was.
It wasn't like, I'm going to defend you from terrorists.
It was like, we are going to literally save the world.
And so these currents are in the background.
And I think a lot of people like me and liberals and libertarians and kind of, we tend to dismiss this stuff or make fun of it.
And I think at our peril, we need to engage with it because this is the kind of stuff that is actually influencing things and changing.
But what do you think about that?
I mean, also, you were quite younger.
I guess you were born in 94. 94, okay.
So you were too young to quite be in that.
Yeah, no.
Back in 2000, I was in fifth grade.
When 9 /11 happened, I was in first grade.
I really didn't understand until much later on.
But yeah, that's interesting that you say that.
I didn't know that there was this messianic charge with George Bush and all that.
That was before my time.
I think that you're right, though.
I think people need to pay some serious attention to what a lot of these types are saying because they truly believe.
That, you know, they are sent by God to fulfill these things.
And, you know, they have a lot of conviction.
I mean, you know, there is a lot of conviction behind what they're doing.
It's not just because they want lower taxes or because, you know, they don't believe in climate change.
I mean, this is, you know, they believe God has his hand on what they're doing.
And not just the American evangelicals, but also the religious Jews in Israel.
And I think that what we're seeing here is going very unnoticed by a lot of people.
Right.
So let's talk a little bit about the Messiah and the Antichrist.
And I'll kind of set the table here a little bit.
In the Gospels, I think in multiple Gospels, there's a very famous scene where I guess it's the Pharisees offer the Jewish people Jesus Barabbas, or Jesus as we know him.
And they choose, consequently, Jesus Barabbas.
And it's very interesting because...
First off, they share the first name, so they're kind of mirror images of one another.
And also, Jesus Brabus in one of the Gospels is depicted as an insurrectionist.
And that is actually fascinating when you think of J6.
It has a resonance.
So basically, what it's saying, in my mind at least, is that the Jews are blinded to The real messiah.
They're choosing a man who's a ruffian, a criminal, who might have gone against Rome or the Roman authority in Jerusalem.
And they're wanting a David, and what they get is kind of like a third-rate David.
So it would be like...
We don't want Trump.
We want the QAnon shaman with the buffalo horns.
It's this kind of crude version of the Messiah.
And Jesus is obviously a different type of Messiah.
Jesus can sometimes use violent metaphors, but they're metaphors.
He comes with a sword.
He's separating the wheat from the chaff.
But those are metaphors.
His heaven is not of this world.
At least yet.
And he is obviously a kind of pacific figure.
If a hard-edged one.
So it's kind of both in a way.
But he's obviously not a warlord.
So that is the true Messiah that the Jews missed in the Gospels.
You can jump in on that a little bit if you want.
And then I'll go to the Antichrist.
Because I've been thinking about this figure.
Yeah, so you make a really great point actually about the sort of duality between, you know, the Christ and Antichrist.
You know, you've got Jesus and you've got Barabbas.
You know, you've got Jesus who says, you know, put down your swords, you know, lay down your life peacefully as I have, you know, because he comes, he lays down his life sacrificially, you know, for us.
And then you have the Antichrist who is, you know, or Barabbas, who is, like you said, this ruffian kind of...
He's broken laws.
He is going to go after the government.
He's going to give us all of our fleshly desires.
He's going to give us hope in this world.
We just got to trust the plan.
He's going to give us all the things that our flesh wants.
But Jesus gives us the things of the spirit.
I think that's what's happening with Donald Trump.
People see Donald Trump as someone who's going to bring about All of these things here on earth, right?
But Jesus said, you know, my kingdom is not of this world.
If my kingdom was of this world, then, you know, my servants would be fighting so that I would not be delivered unto the Jews.
But my kingdom is not of this world.
And then you've got Trump, who's like, you know, he was asked what his favorite Bible verse is.
You know what he said?
He said, oh, my favorite Bible verse?
An eye for an eye.
An eye for an eye.
Isn't that something?
Umarabi's code, I guess.
That's not in Leviticus.
That's what Leviticus was rejecting, wasn't it?
So when Jesus came, he said, you know, it's not an eye for an eye.
But like, you know, in like the old Mosaic law, like if someone were to steal something, if someone stole something or someone, you know, if someone cut someone's hand off, you know, his hand, you know, by the law should be cut off.
And that was just for that kind of time.
And when Jesus came to fulfill...
The covenant, right?
To fulfill the law, you know, he said, you know, it is not an eye for an eye, but, you know, take not vengeance, but, you know, the Lord will avenge.
Well, you know, Trump, his entire thing is he loves taking vengeance.
He loves getting even.
I just shared a video the other day of an interview of him, I think in like the 1990s or maybe the early 2000s.
And he was saying that, like, he was saying that he loves getting even.
He said his biggest...
His biggest pet peeve or the biggest thing that angers him is disloyalty.
He sees anyone who is disloyal to him as an enemy and he sees the people who have wronged him and he wants vengeance on them.
When he comes back, I truly believe we're going to see him go after all the people who wronged him.
It's like that duality.
It's like the Barabbas who goes after the government.
Who isn't the peaceful messiah who laid down his life, who loved his enemies, whose kingdom was not of this world.
It's that opposite, but it's the messianic.
Ark still stays the same.
You've got Jesus, who saves our spirit, and then you've got Barabbas, who saves our flesh, in the same way that Donald Trump is a sort of earthly, fleshly savior that people will accept.
And it's interesting, because in John 5, Jesus is talking to the Jews, and he says, I am come in my Father's name, and ye have not received me, but another shall come in his own name, and him ye shall receive.
And, you know, it's interesting because, you know, Trump is certainly someone who I would say comes in his own name.
You know, the Trump name is everything to Trump.
He's got it plastered all over his buildings and his businesses and, you know, everything is Trump this, Trump that.
Trump comes in his own name and the Jews have accepted him.
And as the timeline gets further and further, we're going to see this messianic sort of...
This messianic narrative, it's going to intensify.
When I started my Twitter channel and I said, we're going to see Trump compared to a messiah, a messianic figure, and it's going to ramp up quick.
And this was in probably early 2021, maybe mid-2021, and there wasn't really too much of that yet.
But there was a good bit of it.
But it's gotten progressively and progressively worse.
I'm always posting different things.
Like Larry Elder said one Easter, he said, Jesus died and rose again, and so too will Donald Trump.
You've got Donald Trump Jr., and Donald Trump Jr., I think it was D.C. Drano.
It was a couple of those conservative MAGA types.
They shared a picture.
I think it was for Trump's second indictment.
Yes, when Trump was arraigned on Passover, April 5th.
And a lot of people made the connection, well, hold on, Jesus was arrested then too.
And then Trump is also being arrested.
So I think Donald Trump Jr. posted a picture, and it was a picture of Jesus.
And it was like, you know, Trump's not...
Basically, I forget exactly what it said, but it was comparing Jesus' persecution to Trump's persecution.
And this was shared by Donald Trump Jr.
And there's just so much people comparing Trump to Jesus, comparing him to Moses, that guy from the Sound of Freedom movie, Jim, whatever.
Yeah, Caviezel.
Yeah, he said that Trump is the new Moses.
You know what I mean?
Which is another typology of Christ in the Bible.
You know what I mean?
And I believe we're going to see it ramp up.
It's going to get crazy.
It's going to get really blasphemous.
And I believe this is the strong delusion talked about in scripture.
It says, you know, God shall send them a strong delusion.
And, you know, a lot of people think that, you know, oh, the left, the godless, degenerate left and the LGBT stuff, you know, this is the main enemy.
This is, you know, this is what we had to fight against.
But I think that this is a red herring.
I think that the obvious evil, the LGBT, it's almost like the two sides in the Old Testament, how there was King Jehu versus Jezebel.
You had Jezebel, who was the, you know, overtly evil, child-sacrificing, you know, sex cult, basically.
And then you had the other side, which was Jehu, who saw himself as, you know, the righteous hand of God, you know, to destroy Jezebel.
And while God did charge him to destroy Jezebel, Jehu was not right with God either.
Jehu was an idolater in his own way.
And it's funny because after Jehu destroyed Jezebel, he reinstated the national idol of the golden calves.
And it was actually...
And it was actually Jehu's sin that was the reason that Israel was punished.
So God used Jehu to destroy Jezebel to be sort of a vessel for God's judgment.
But Jehu was punished himself as well as all of Israel for the idolatry of Jehu.
And in the same way, I think that God is using Trump to bring about his righteous judgment upon the harlot, which is this...
Obviously evil, tyrannical system, child-sacrificing system, I guess you could say.
But ultimately, that doesn't mean that we follow Trump, because remember that God uses the beast to destroy the harlot.
That doesn't mean that we follow the beast.
And I think that's where the deception lies, is people...
Are following Trump, seeing him as, you know, an anointed one by God who we all need to get behind.
And Trump, you know, all of this messianic talk, I mean, you know, we all know Trump's ego is out of this world.
You know, he is really, really loving the praise and adoration and he's not going to want to stop.
I believe that when he does all these things that Jesus is prophesied to do in the millennial kingdom, he will say, That he is Christ.
He made a post on Twitter, actually, saying that he was, well, implying that he was second to nobody but Christ himself.
And a lot of his supporters agreeing with him.
He said that about his book.
He was like, The Art of the Deal is the second best book.
Yeah, he did say that.
You're right.
Yeah, it's always been there.
He's always seen himself as better than everyone.
He exalts himself above all who dwell on the earth.
He really does.
He magnifies himself in his heart, just like Daniel says.
A lot of people will show me the video of him saying, oh, you know, Jesus is more famous than me, and say, oh, see, he's a genuine Christian.
He says that Jesus is more famous than him.
I don't think that's a very reverent thing to say about the Son of God if you're a true believer, right, that he's more famous than you.
It's definitely not proof that he's a genuine believer.
But I truly believe that he sees the adoration and worship that Jesus gets, and he wants it for himself.
So he is going to do all these things that Jesus is supposed to do, like destroy the quote-unquote beast system and bring about the new millennial kingdom to receive that worship.
And that's what the Antichrist is all about.
He wants to be like the Most High.
Interesting.
So, yeah, I mean, you know, when I think of the Antichrist, I think of a few Fredericks, actually.
So, Frederick II, so he is the medieval Holy Roman Empire, kind of Germanic king, or emperor, and he was declared the Antichrist by the Pope.
I don't know enough about medieval history, but I do know kind of the broad strokes of it.
So this was in the crusading time, and Frederick, there's a lot.
I don't know if these parallels are resonant or not.
I think they might be.
But Frederick, I believe, demurred on going on crusades and then kind of went all in a little bit later, and he actually negotiated a peace in Jerusalem.
And so he was kind of putting himself on par with the Pope, and he was actually declared the Antichrist.
I know a lot of monks, someone I mentioned a few weeks ago on this podcast, Joachim de Fiore, who's a fascinating person, also talks about Revelation.
He actually thought at one point that Frederick might actually be the Antichrist, and we're ushering in a new age.
An age of the spirit.
But at the very least, you could say that there is that kind of, you know, from the Pope's perspective, at least, there's a kind of false peacemaker with someone like Frederick.
And you could also think of Frederick the Great.
You could also think of Frederick Nietzsche.
They share this name.
Nietzsche, I believe, was born on an anniversary of Frederick the Great's coronation.
Frederick the Great was a kind of, you know, the ultimate enlightened despot and, you know, patron of the arts and sciences.
Nietzsche, of course, declared himself the Antichrist, declared himself Dionysus in his madness.
But, you know, one of my own perspective on Nietzsche is, and it's, you know, I guess a little bit.
I think it's well justified.
Much like Joachim de Fiore, he kind of understood himself as at the end of an age, the end of Christianity, the end of sciences, of humanism, of rationality.
And it had kind of played itself out.
And he was inaugurating a new age, which he wasn't quite able to define.
So there's this, I don't know, I'm kind of going on free association or symbolism here, but there's these Fredericks, these Germanic Fredericks, and the Antichrist.
I don't know, am I going too far by mentioning Fred Trump?
Am I just being totally irrational here?
Just throwing it out there.
Oh, no, I don't think you're being irrational at all.
You know, it's really interesting.
Do you know what Trump's father's middle name is?
No.
It's Christ.
His middle name is Christ?
Yes, his name is Frederick Christ Trump.
And Trump's grandmother, her maiden name is Elizabeth Christ.
She is the daughter of Philip and Anna Maria Christ.
And there's even someone in Trump's family lineage named Christ Christ, although not much is known about this individual.
Oh, yeah.
Isn't that crazy?
This is a bit too much.
It's a bit too much for me.
I'm taking off my Hitchens and Dawkins fedora here for a moment.
Yeah, and then the matriarch of the Trump family, Elizabeth Christ Trump, she died on June 6, 1966.
That's 6-6-6-6.
Wow.
His last name is Anglicized Trump.
It's Anglicized.
I can't remember what...
They made fun of his original German name.
Drumpf.
Yeah.
Yeah, and I don't know what the meaning or origin of that name is, but someone can look it up.
But it means trumpeter, right?
So I guess it might be a sort of leap of imagination, but during Revelation...
You know, there are angels that trumpet the apocalypse.
So maybe that's related somehow.
Yeah.
Well, I said this on Thursday for our last podcast.
Like, it's all about the name.
And I'm quoting that McDonald's film starring Michael Keaton called The Founder, where he said, look, it's about the name McDonald's.
It's the first song you ever learned, Old McDonald.
It just says America, synonymous with America.
And so I want a place that everyone inherently loves.
They loved it since they were a child, even when they didn't know about it.
It was actually really a brilliant kind of sentiment.
And I think with Donald Trump, it's just the name.
It's just the name.
It is as if he were prophesied to be this leader.
Just the name Trump.
The name Donald means world leader, right?
Yeah.
So Melania means dark.
Donald means world ruler and Trump means usurping ace or to beat or to usurp something, right?
Or it could mean to usher in, to herald, right?
Right.
Some more interesting facts about Trump.
Jesus' mother's name is Mary.
Trump's mother's name is Mary.
Jesus' aunt's name is Elizabeth.
Trump's aunt's name is Elizabeth.
Jesus' cousin's name is John.
Trump's cousin's name is John.
You've got Christ being a big family name.
The matriarch of the Trump family, her maiden name is Christ.
There is a lot of really interesting, I believe, Symbolism going on with our character here, Donald Trump, as well as what seems to be predictive programming surrounding him as well.
I'm not sure if you're familiar with the book by Ingersoll Lockwood, Barron Trump's Marvelous Underground Journey.
In 1900, he wrote the book The Last President, and it involves a popular businessman in New York.
Who runs for president.
And, you know, there are riots and stuff against him by a lot of the locals.
And it's really interesting to see.
There's also that 1958 TV Western called Trackdown.
I don't know if you've seen this.
I've never heard of it.
Oh, yeah.
I posted about this probably three days ago, three, four days ago.
Yeah, but what happens in it is a con man, the episode is called The End of the World, and in the episode, a con man named Trump comes up to the town and tells them that the world is going to end and that only he can save them by building a wall.
And it's really eerie, obviously, the similarities.
They have the same name, Trump.
They're both claiming that only they can save people from imminent doom, right?
Trump has said that.
You know, the world is going to be blown to pieces.
We're not going to have a world, you know, essentially, if he doesn't, you know, save us, you know, the world's going to be blown to pieces.
And that's exactly what, you know, Trump in the 1958 TV Western said as well, by building a wall, too, of all things.
I thought that was really interesting.
Wow.
So who is the Antichrist?
In your view of things, because if you say the word antichrist to the majority of the population, they probably think of, you know, a sexual deviant or a Satanist or something.
Someone, you know, what is it, Marilyn Manson or maybe in a lighter form, Robert Smith of The Cure.
But that's not it, is it?
Because even Satan, that's a very different figure than the Antichrist from the book of Job.
So who is the Antichrist?
What is he, expand a little bit more on that.
Yeah, so it's really interesting because as I said earlier, Satan masquerades as an angel of light.
A lot of people think of Satan as this individual with...
You know, horns, you know, a red-skinned individual with horns and a pitchfork, you know, who just looks like he's up to no good, right?
But that's not at all the description that the Bible gives him, you know.
It says in Genesis that he was the most beautiful of all God's angels, you know, the most beautiful and the most powerful and the most wise as well.
And, you know, Satan, you know, the truth is Satan comes as, you know, everything you've ever wanted.
If most people saw Satan, they'd probably be struck in awe by beauty and wisdom and all these kinds of things.
Very different picture from the Satan that we kind of culturally have inherited.
But is there a distinction?
In your view, these are different figures, or are they not?
Yes.
Yes, they are different figures, yes.
So in the same way that there is the Holy Trinity, I believe that there is sort of the unholy trinity, right?
Where, you know, you have the dragon, which is Satan.
You have the beast, which is the Antichrist, which is the first beast.
And then you have the second beast, the beast of the earth, which is the false prophet.
And, you know, this makes up, you know, the unholy trinity.
And, you know, the Antichrist is a person who is a man, right?
The Bible makes clear he's not like some, a lot of people will say, oh, well, you know, the Antichrist can't be human, which, you know, I think the Bible makes it very, very overtly states that, you know, the Antichrist is the man of sin, the son of perdition, the lawless one, the wicked one, the law, you know, the idle shepherd.
You know, the vile one, the man of sin, blah, blah, blah.
So, you know, the Bible is very explicit about it being an individual, an individual man.
And, you know, the Bible describes him as someone, again, who, you know, he is very proud.
He is loud.
He is boastful.
He speaks great things.
The Bible literally says that, you know, he shall come speaking great things.
He shall have the mouth of a lion speaking great things.
And no one speaks greater things than our man Donald Trump.
I mean, you know, everything is great with him.
You know, make America great again.
You know, this is great.
That is great.
You know, he speaks, quite literally speaks many great things.
As the Bible explicitly says.
And, you know, it says, you know, he'll magnify himself in his heart.
And, you know, by peace he shall destroy many.
And, you know, he shall deceive even the elect if it were possible, right?
You know, the Antichrist is not going to come as someone who's going to appeal to, you know, the godless degenerate left, right?
the lgbt lgbt supporting you know uh uh pro pro abortion left right the antichrist he's not going to be someone who appeals to that he's going to be someone who's going to deceive the elect if it were possible which means that he's going to be coming as someone who is going to take political positions that are congruent with the uh the the christian conservative right and the evangelical right and um
I think this is very, very essential to understand because I mean this is a critical key detail because without understanding this, we have a completely different picture of what the Antichrist is.
I have a lot of people like, oh, the Antichrist is Bill Gates or George Soros or all of these different kinds of people.
Fauci, yeah.
Fauci, but Obama is a big one.
A lot of people say Obama.
The Antichrist in the Bible is a very specific person who does very specific things, specifically in regards to Israel, which, you know, there's just so much.
Have you seen the Trump Temple coin that was minted in Jerusalem?
I know of it due to looking at your stuff, yes.
Yeah, yeah, the Jerusalem minted a coin.
For the Third Temple in Jerusalem.
It's called the Trump Temple Coin and on it there is Donald Trump next to King Cyrus.
And King Cyrus was the king of Persia who conquered Babylon and allowed the Jews to return home to Israel to build their second temple.
Now, Cyrus didn't do it for the Jews.
He did it for Persia, his country.
But it had the happy side effect of freeing the Jews.
But it's interesting because on the coin, it's got Trump, it's got Cyrus.
And it says, and he charged me to build him a house, which is the Third Temple.
There's a really interesting book called Donald Trump, The Rabbis and the Top Secret Plan to Build the Third Temple by Thomas Horne.
That is a really interesting read as well.
And there's just so much.
I mean, there's just so many layers to this.
Let me dilate on this a little bit.
Go ahead.
Yeah, I mean, so Cyrus is not the Antichrist, but he's a different figure, and I think Trump definitely conforms to him.
So Cyrus was inspired by Yahweh to some degree.
I mean, his actions were.
But so...
Cyrus, it's that kind of indirection or unintended consequence, I guess you could say, which is that despite the fact that he is Persian and conquered Babylon and ended the Babylonian captivity, as depicted in Daniel, etc., he's...
He's kind of a great man, but an unintentional one.
And I think Trump definitely adheres to that archetype in so many ways.
I mean, if you ask your average New York Times reading liberal, who is Trump and what's the problem with Trump?
She or he would say, he's a white nationalist.
He's inspired neo-Nazis.
He's a far-rightist.
He wants to end abortion, all this kind of stuff.
You know, so his intentions are even ostensibly at least kind of like anti-Semitic or pro-white.
But that's not what ultimately happens.
I mean, it's like his most consequential matters, I don't think are really the tax cuts.
I think it's, and it's not the wall exactly.
It is the Supreme Court judges who are going to...
I mean,
there seemed to at least have been I mean, we were very close to a war against Iran.
I mean, the missiles were all but in the air.
And he did engage in a very vicious attack on an Iranian leader.
Looking at this from a secular perspective, I could definitely see him as...
Fulfilling that Cyrus archetype, but maybe, I mean, you're suggesting that there's even more to it, that this is, you know.
So you can go on that.
Yeah, I believe that there's more to it.
I think that there's, I think that, I quite literally think that we are witnessing the fulfillment of God's will.
And, you know, it's funny because, it's funny because a lot of people call me like Blue Anon, you know, or something like that.
They think that, you know.
I'm by no means a liberal or I've never been a Democrat.
I've never supported any kind of Democrat policy or anything like that.
I get that impression.
I'm very staunchly on the right.
Very, very staunchly.
I was really into a lot of the further right kind of stuff actually for a very long time.
And I've actually known about you probably since 2016.
I think the first time I heard about you was that video that went viral.
You probably know which one I'm talking about with Trump.
Oh, the Hail Trump, yeah.
I mean, I played my own kind of weird little...
Yeah, unknowingly.
Yeah, and kind of ushering and giving Trump this, maybe putting a mask on Trump in a way of, oh, he's getting this adulation from these far rightists.
But I definitely recognize this even in 2018.
I certainly recognize it now that All of that adulation was ultimately false.
It was like I was deceived as well, and I was playing a role in a drama that I did not support.
Yeah, I would say the same thing about me.
I played a very big role in this story that I didn't quite understand the plot to yet.
And I think that's what most of what's going on is.
You've got people like Wayne Allen Root and people who are just making these big messianic claims, and I don't even think they really realize what they're doing.
I think that there are just spiritual forces at work that are ultimately leading people into this story.
I mean, it's the greatest story ever told.
God wrote it.
And whether we know it or not, we are all playing a role.
We all have a role to play in it.
And most people don't really understand this.
And, you know, it's just really funny because it's like, you know, Christians have been talking and warning about the Antichrist.
For years and years and years.
And then when he finally comes, they completely embrace him.
It's such an ironic twist.
It's almost beautiful in a way.
So what do you think might...
I guess I have two questions.
This is the first one.
So what do you think we're going to see in the upcoming year?
I think that the notion that Trump is being figuratively crucified, I think is clear to everyone.
Whether this is justified or legitimate, we don't even have to go into it.
I think it is.
But he's clearly being prosecuted and persecuted.
How do you see this drama unfolding over the next year or so?
I believe that we're going to see this persecution ramp up.
We're going to see the talks of him being this messianic figure ramp up dramatically.
Like I said earlier, I think we may see one more indictment to symbolize the four nails used to crucify Jesus.
I think that people are going to get more and more fed up with how Trump is being treated because he is seen by a lot of the evangelicals as the sacrificial lamb who is laid out in his life.
I see this meme all the time about Trump had such a perfect life.
He didn't have to do this.
You know, he sacrificed his life for us, right?
Which is a very interesting theme that it plays so well with the messianic arc of Jesus, you know, him laying down his life, you know, for us, you know, dying for us.
And then, you know, I see the meme floating around all the time, you know, they're not really after.
Me, they're after you.
I'm just in the way.
I think Trump actually just recently shared that.
And he's literally being made into a martyr.
He's literally being made into the sacrificial lamb on our behalf, like Jesus was.
And I think we're going to see these themes keep playing out and playing out until eventually...
I truly believe that Donald Trump will return to power.
It might not be...
I don't know.
I truly don't know how, but I believe that Donald Trump will return to power.
He said, he said, I think his last day of office, he said, we will be back in some form.
Right.
So, you know, a lot of people say, oh, is Trump going to win the election?
I don't know if Trump's going to win the election.
Right.
He may win the election.
He may not win the election.
A lot of the election fraud stuff, you know, has not really been addressed.
You know what I mean?
I think that there's going to be, I think that there's a big story arc that's going to happen with this election.
election fraud stuff.
I think we're going to see, you know, that kind of a part of the plot play out more.
You know, I don't think we've seen the last of that plot, plot point, you know, the election fraud and, you know, him, him having the election stolen and all this, I think we're going to see that ramp up in some way.
And, you know, essentially, you know, Trump is going to be, it's going to be made, you know, the, the, the guy that, The deep state, you know, is trying to get rid of so that they can enslave humanity.
Which, by the way, fits very well with kind of a Gnostic framework, which goes into the Great Awakening.
I'm sure you've probably heard of, you know, a lot of people talk about this Great Awakening, this Great Global Awakening that's happening.
And it's really interesting because, you know, the occult...
Has been talking about humanity's spiritual awakening for quite literally centuries.
And if you read the work of Helena Blavatsky or Alice Bailey, the occult has always been about humanity.
Destroying tyranny and reaching a new age, which is literally where the term comes from, new age.
And what it is, it's a counterfeit of the true new age of Christ and the millennial kingdom.
But it's a Luciferian version of that where we bring the kingdom of God to earth.
And Alice Bailey has a quote saying that people are no longer interested in a...
In a spiritual heaven and hell, people want heaven on earth now.
And that's exactly what it's always been about.
It's about bringing heaven to earth, this counterfeit kingdom.
I'm not sure if you're familiar with Marina Abramovic.
Yes, I'm...
I'm one degree of separation from her, actually.
Oh, one degree of separation.
Okay, okay.
Interesting.
Very interesting.
I'm fascinated by her, by the way.
I've never met her.
I've never met her, but yes.
Okay, okay.
Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
So have you seen the clip of her talking during an interview when she says that she spoke to a group of shamans in Loplin?
And what these shamans do is they get together and they do something called collective dreaming.
And what that is, is they get together and they all have the same dream and, you know, whatever.
And she said that one of the shamans that she talked to said to her that the best thing to happen in this world was for Trump to be the president.
And she said, you know, what?
Like, what do you mean?
How is this possible?
And she said that the shamans said to her...
That Trump is so irrational, he's so crazy, that he's actually going to bring about an awakening.
He's actually a magician of the highest order who is going to bring a worldwide awakening.
And I find that very fascinating that she said that because that goes right alongside with what I've been saying about Trump being the messianic chosen one, the Luciferian chosen one.
Who's going to destroy tyranny?
Who's going to first awaken the masses to the tyranny and to all the conspiracy theory?
Because if you think about it, conspiracy theory has really gone mainstream at this point in time.
Yes, and I believe it's like this completely by design.
I don't think it's an accident that conspiracy theory is as mainstream as it is.
I think that what's happening right now...
The obvious evil is being revealed and exposed, the darkness, so to speak, so that we can be brought into the light, which is a false counterfeit light, the false light.
You see Q talk about from dark to light.
It's actually a very Masonic phrase, from darkness to light.
I posted the Masonic art that has that.
That has that written on it, From Darkness to Light.
And I think that's what this Great Awakening is.
I think what it is, is introducing humanity, initiating humanity into the Mystery School, into the Mystery School teachings through this awakening, through destroying tyranny and bringing darkness to light, so to speak.
And I think Trump is their Saint Germain.
Which a lot of New Agers actually argue that Trump is the reincarnation of St. Germain.
And St. Germain is said in a lot of New Age circles to be the one who will herald the new age of Aquarius.
It's funny, actually, when Trump won the presidency in 2016, him and Melania came out to the song, This is the Age of Aquarius.
Believe it or not.
And it's really interesting.
I believe it.
Yeah, it's really interesting watching this all play out.
You've got a lot of these new age types who are saying Donald Trump is going to be the one who is going to bring about – he's going to destroy the deep state.
And that's what Trump has been saying very overtly too.
He is going to destroy the deep state.
Don – what's his name?
Don Kim?
Don King or something like that, that black guy.
He said, let's get rid of this system and Trump's the man to do it.
This is what it's always been about.
It's about destroying the old order and bringing about the new order from its ashes, like the rising phoenix from darkness to light, order out of chaos.
It's really fascinating to see how deep this all really goes.
Do you think he might You know, he's presenting himself as a kind of peacemaker with Russia, but he's also said, you know, oh, I'll nuke Moscow if he ever tries anything.
There's a kind of like bellicose and specific motive going on at the same time.
I mean, do you think that is how it might play out?
Or do you think like the Q prophecy would play out in the sense of...
Frog marching a bunch of bureaucrats and politicians on Pennsylvania Avenue?
Or is that too obvious in a way?
Do you have any inkling of what's going on?
I think there's a lot of credence to both of what you're saying.
I think it's really interesting also that if you listen to a lot of the rhetoric that Putin has been saying, it's very in line with a lot of the...
Great Awakening Q crowd.
Putin is always talking about how Satan is in control in the West, and he's always saying all these same Great Awakening talking points.
I think it's very possible that there will be some sort of alliance, possibly.
I'm not really sure exactly how all that will play out.
I can't say for sure.
But I know that...
I do believe that Trump in some way is going to, you know, bring about this age of peace, right?
And the reason he does this is because in Micah, the book of Micah, it talks about how in the millennial kingdom, nations shall not lift finger against another nation.
And, you know, that's exactly what the same thing that the Antichrist is going for, right?
He wants to be a counterfeit Christ with a counterfeit kingdom.
He's going to want to bring this worldwide peace, and the world is going to wander.
And, you know, I think that when Trump returns, I think we're going to see him expand the Abraham Accords, which, by the way, is very interesting by itself.
He wanted to name the Abraham Accords the Trump Accords.
Abraham is a typology of Christ in Scripture.
Interesting.
Yeah, you know, it's funny.
Trump has actually been trying to be the peace negotiator between the Israelis and Palestinians for over 40 years.
There was a picture taken by William Coupon in 1983 of Trump holding it dubbed.
And in it, it says that Trump did that.
Because he was promoting, he was trying to promote himself as to be the peace negotiator between the Israelis and Palestinians.
And that's exactly the role of the Antichrist, you know, to bring peace to the Middle East.
So it's interesting, like, how long it seems like this has all been trying to, he's really been trying to do this, you know?
And I don't think he realizes that he's the biblical Antichrist.
I really don't think he does.
I truly think that he wants to be...
He wants to be the best.
He wants to be number one.
And then there's people in his corner, specifically like Jared Kushner, who are wanting him to fulfill the Messianic prophecies for the Jewish people in Israel.
And I think everything is lining up almost too perfectly.
I mean, everything is really lining up so, so crazy.
Well, this brings up a question of mine.
In one of the trailers for the latest Indiana Jones movie, which I actually, I'm the one person who actually liked that film, but that is neither here nor there.
There was a good line by Harrison Ford, and he said, you know, I've learned at some point that it's not just what you believe, but how hard you believe it.
And what he was getting at is kind of like the, is it?
Or are you willing a prophecy into existence?
And in some ways, there's no real distinction to be made.
Now, obviously, Indiana Jones movies have some magic involved in them, but maybe at the heart of them, it's about people believing in these prophecies so hard that they themselves bring it about.
Bring it about.
Will it?
I mean, so I guess what I would suggest is that one understanding of what you've put forward here today, you could remain a secular science atheist type and still conclude that everything you say is correct in the sense that there are people in this world who The
Kushner thing is kind of a meme in the alt-right or the right in general, but it's a meme for a reason.
Who is this character?
Why is he overseeing everything from the peace in the Middle East to immigration and the vaccine?
I can't even remember what he was up to.
And this is someone who has an orthodox background.
So it's kind of like, might there be actors, whether it's real or not, whether God exists or not, I'll leave that to each person to decide.
Might there be people who are, you know, the best explanation for their actions is that they are manipulating the world to fulfill a prophecy.
And so what do you think about that type of explanation?
Yeah, so it's really interesting.
It reminds me of the conversation that I had with Adam Green, actually, because as you probably know, Adam Green does not believe, he's not a Christian, he doesn't believe.
That these are, you know, prophecies being fulfilled.
Although, you know, he said that, you know, it's very easy to see why, you know, when looking at all the evidence that I've laid forth.
But, you know, he said like, you know, couldn't this just be, you know, men, you know, human beings who are, you know...
Putting all this together, all of these things together as to make these prophecies come alive and fulfill these prophecies.
And it's like, yeah, I do believe that there are many men who are doing things in order to fulfill these prophecies.
But when you get into a lot of the really esoteric connections, I'm not suggesting that you do this, but if you really wanted to sit down and look at...
The numerology and the astrology of it.
For example, Trump was born June 14, 1946.
He was born under a total lunar eclipse, a blood moon.
It was the first blood moon after the 1946 Babylon working rituals, which is a whole other rabbit hole.
He was born exactly...
He became president exactly 70 years, 7 months, and 7 days after his birth.
He was born exactly 700 days before Israel.
He would move the embassy to Jerusalem on Israel's 70th year anniversary since its founding.
There is, I mean, I have entire threads.
I mean, then you look at the planetary alignments.
I mean, there's a lot of threads that I have, I mean, just detailing how meticulous, I mean, this would have to, a lot of this stuff would have to be.
And, you know, I've made the case that I don't think a human being or a group of human beings are even capable.
Of a lot of these really, really deep numerological, astrological alignments that accompany all of these things, I truly believe that there are spiritual forces at work here.
I don't think human beings are really meticulous enough to be able to make everything align in such a way.
I truly believe this is a spiritual phenomenon going on and that men are just playing their parts in it.
Right.
Well, yeah, I mean, I can see that.
I mean, and in some ways, there's no distinction to be made, or it's a distinction around the difference.
I mean, I'm reminded of thinking about January 6, where so much of the motive of the QAnon movement was trust the plan.
That is, be passive.
You don't have to do anything.
Just follow along, look at the signs, and Trump's got this taken care of.
And there was a moment, you know, on January 6th where being passive transfigured itself into being willful.
And so all of these people, you know, it's like they heard about the storm and there was, I guess, an element of like, well, if you don't do it, I'll do it myself.
What was that from Major League?
If you don't help me now, Jabu, I do it myself.
There was an element of that to it, of like, we are the storm, in fact.
It's not about being passive.
We are part of this.
You know, Ashley Babbitt's last, her last moment on video at least was quoting Q. And so it was like the prophecy was put there and then she became the prophecy.
Yeah, in a way, there's no distinction.
Whether it's real or not, or whether people are willfully making it happen, it's happening in this way.
Yeah, I agree with you, actually.
Yeah.
It goes back to what me and Adam were talking about.
It's either that people in high places are doing it, but there's also, like you said, an element of people fulfilling these things and playing their role in a very interesting way.
Kind of like Ashley Babbitt, how she played her role in a twisted way.
I kind of see her as the first martyr.
You know what I mean?
How Stephen in the Bible was the first martyr that kind of set it all off.
She's kind of seen as the first martyr.
It's all very interesting.
I personally believe, though, that by the end of all this, by the time this is all said and done, I think that it's going to be...
A bit more obvious that this is the work of God.
I don't think that's going to be obvious yet.
I don't think it'll be obvious for a while.
But I think that point in time will come.
So we will have to wait for that moment.
We shall see, yes.
I will be quiet for a little bit.
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