This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit radixjournal.substack.com“Rad Fem Hitler” (@hollowearthterf) joins the broadcast to discuss incels, our hyper-sexual/asexual culture, the Bottleneck of female “choosiness,” polygamy, and all that good stuff. The second half of the conversation is dedicated to discussing the Russia-China alliance and the Neo-Cold War.
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| There are these strange contradictions that seem to be occurring. | |
| And it's like the right is ostensibly, I guess, more based and nationalistic, and they talk about manliness a lot and things like that. | |
| But that seems to almost be a kind of cope or like... | |
| I mean, even if you look at the history of class and voting, we've had a flip, but it hasn't been a complete flip. | |
| So even in 1992 with Bill Clinton, he would still get 75% of the working class white vote. | |
| But he'd also get 75% to 90% to 100% of the egghead vote, let's say, the academics, intellectuals. | |
| He'd get a lot of professionals and so on. | |
| And now we've seen that flip. | |
| And so the Republican Party is, in many ways, a party of the multiracial working class. | |
| I don't think we can underestimate the amount of Hispanics and Asians and Indians and so on in Fuentes groups or BAP or whatever. | |
| It's a weird phenomenon. | |
| And on the alt-right, as I call it, it's riddled with it. | |
| But I guess what the right didn't do... | |
| It brought on that 75% of the working class vote, but it didn't bring on any eggheads. | |
| And in fact, it's like actively alienated them. | |
| And so you kind of have this weird situation where I think that the Democrats who could kind of balance high and low, where they could You would have the Marxist intellectual at Columbia who's voting for Democrats. | |
| And then you'd have the guy from Arkansas with a small farm who's voting for Democrats. | |
| It's a weird high-low coalition that I think is actually really effective. | |
| It's not contradictory. | |
| It's effective. | |
| But with the GOP, it's like the low coalition at this point. | |
| And so it's just going to be resentment and aggressive stupidity and nonsense. | |
| Basically. | |
| I agree. | |
| I was actually just tweeting about this the other day, that I think a lot of women reflexively don't like the GOP because they just see it as the party of bitter losers. | |
| And I don't think that appeals to women. | |
| I don't think they like that. | |
| I think they see a lot of men over there that they... | |
| Wouldn't want to be around. | |
| And that's kind of what happened with me. | |
| I just saw a lot of men like, I wouldn't want to be around those men. | |
| I don't really want to be associated with this world and this party. | |
| In many ways, it's just become... | |
| I don't know. | |
| It's not a very aspirational group of people you'd want to be a part of, I would say. | |
| No, I totally agree. | |
| And then the other aspect of it is that, for better and for worse, the elite intellectuals are able to kind of romanticize the working class or African Americans or refugees or whatever. | |
| They're able to kind of create a narrative and a story about their plight and their struggle and overcoming and all that kind of stuff. | |
| Whereas, you know, maybe not to their fault, white working class and middle class is not getting romanticized like that. | |
| But then they don't kind of have the capacity to romanticize. | |
| There's no high-low connection, if you understand. | |
| It's just like... | |
| You know, we hate the liberals. | |
| Like, we want to own the libs. | |
| We want to attack the libs. | |
| The libs are demonic. | |
| And it's just, it's a weird, I don't know, maybe I'm not articulating this as well as I could, but it's just a really weird group of people. | |
| But it's also very, it's very homogeneous in many ways. | |
| Like, it's, there isn't a lot of variety. | |
| It's a kind of... | |
| Middle American, many of them are doing fairly well, but at least the people who stand out and the kind of politics that they're trying to appeal to is the politics of maybe at best being uncouth or something. | |
| Do you remember that video? | |
| I mean, and at worst being losers or insurrectionists or whatever, but maybe at best not being kind of uncouth. | |
| I don't know if you remember that video that was passed around with this girl that it was like a southern redneck kind of wigger-like thing. | |
| She was rapping about like... | |
| Arkansas culture or something like that. | |
| And it was like, you know, we fire our guns and we drink our beer and I'm a heartbreaker, y 'all. | |
| You know what? | |
| But I'm not even doing it well because it was like a rap. | |
| I've never seen anything like it. | |
| But it was like, I guarantee you that everyone in that video over the age of 18 is a Trump voter. | |
| 100%. | |
| Yeah. | |
| It's that kind of vibe, as it were. | |
| But, so yeah, I mean, I think we're in a really difficult place because the left has all, well, not always, but for a very long time has dominated the intellectual sphere. | |
| They have had a lot of people in academia. | |
| And we can, I think it's actually interesting to talk about how that is. | |
| I don't quite buy the whole Long March thesis. | |
| I think it's something else. | |
| But now, it's almost more aggressive. | |
| At least in the 50s with the GOP, there was almost a pretense of, we're going to talk about this Catholic intellectual, and we're going to talk about Ivanhoe novels. | |
| There was at least a pretense, or we're going to go and talk about Rothbard and Friedman or whatever. | |
| We're going to do some... | |
| Highly intellectualized economic system. | |
| But at this point, I can't see anything that is there right now. | |
| It's just brutal resentment and violence. | |
| It's entirely reactionary. | |
| It just feels kind of like a toddler throwing a temper tantrum. | |
| There's not really a good story or A good narrative, I feel like, of the writer conservatism at the moment. | |
| There's nothing inspirational about it. | |
| It's just the left's hurting my feelings, essentially. | |
| Yeah. | |
| It's not attractive. | |
| It's not effective. | |
| What are you going to build with that? | |
| You're just going to alienate more and more people that actually... | |
| Have power, have influence, have the ability to do something. | |
| It's just, it's so weird when you, I remember when I was looking, some years ago I was looking into kind of the demographic data of, you know, who voted Republican in the past and who votes now, and it's weird how much it's changed. | |
| Because it used to be way more women would vote Republican. | |
| It also used to be the college educated was the Republican. | |
| That's not really the case anymore. | |
| It's just entirely flipped. | |
| I don't really know exactly why that's happened. | |
| I mean, I do blame quite a bit of it, actually, on Reagan. | |
| But I think it's bigger than that alone. | |
| I think it's a decades-long trajectory, actually, with realignment. | |
| Basically. | |
| And the Southern strategy and all that kind of stuff. | |
| And you can say, like, Trump created it, or the Tea Party created it, or Newt Gingrich created it, or Reagan created it, but it's... | |
| It's before that. | |
| Yeah, it's just a long-term trajectory. | |
| So let's talk a little bit about... | |
| You mentioned this earlier of hypergamy or pickiness, let's say. | |
| And I think it's a little more complicated maybe than it's usually understood. | |
| I agree. | |
| And maybe there's some kind of darker sides to it and things like that. | |
| So, I mean, I can remember pheasant hunting a few years ago. | |
| And I remember a lot of these rules you just accept and you don't really think about. | |
| And then I was... | |
| Kind of thinking about it, I was like, you know, this is deeply unfair. | |
| Like, we're killing all the males. | |
| And we're just allowing the females to go free. | |
| And to add insult to injury, all of the males have all these beautiful feathers that they've developed. | |
| And so they put on a show, basically, and we're rewarding them by shooting them. | |
| And then these lowly gray females just get off scot-free. | |
| Now, that's obviously a... | |
| A bit of a cheeky way of looking at these kinds of things. | |
| But basically, what I'm getting at is that the female really is a highly valuable resource. | |
| And so, although we are pheasant hunting, almost ostensibly committing male genocide or something like that, we're not harming the species that way because it's kind of like sperm is cheap, eggs are valuable. | |
| To put it very simply. | |
| And I think this also gets at kind of an inner fantasy of both men and women that I do think we are just kind of fundamentally wired differently and obviously doesn't mean that we can't talk with each other or cooperate or anything. | |
| So the inner fantasy of a male would be Don Juan or James Bond. | |
| Or something like this of, and you know, correct me if I'm wrong here, guys, because, but you know, of spreading your seed far and wide, and having lots of sex all over the place. | |
| And I think the inner fantasy of women is something different. | |
| And you know, I'm probably making these things a little cartoonish here, but... | |
| If you guys want to deepen them, you're more than welcome to. | |
| But it's that notion of being chosen by a strong man, being rescued maybe, or taming a strong man, or... | |
| I think it's more taming. | |
| Taming, you think? | |
| Yeah. | |
| Taming the bad boy? | |
| I do think that. | |
| I think it's like a... | |
| And it's funny because conservatives like to bring up... | |
| Like Fifty Shades of Grey a lot as this like women want to be dominated kind of evidence. | |
| I think it's the opposite. | |
| I think Fifty Shades of Grey, if you actually look at the full story, like start to end, it's the story of a woman dominating a man through her feminine powers. | |
| I get that sexually he's doing all this weird stuff with her, right? | |
| But he's being tamed. | |
| He's going from playboy to being obsessed with... | |
| One woman for the rest of his life. | |
| That's a display of female power over a man. | |
| That's a story of her dominating him. | |
| Right. | |
| Well, he's a billionaire and she's a journalist. | |
| I have unfortunately not read these great novels up there with Dostoevsky and Hemingway, of course. | |
| It's a hole in my education. | |
| But yeah, I mean, I think there's a reason why those were extremely popular, you know, 10 years ago or whatever. | |
| You know, it's getting at something. | |
| Even if it is bad literature, it's getting at some inner fantasy on some level. | |
| You know, like all popular culture, I mean, you can make fun of comic book movies or action adventure romance novels or whatever, but you have to kind of recognize their success. | |
| Like, what is it exactly? | |
| Yeah, it's bad. | |
| But what is it? | |
| And it's that inner fantasy. | |
| And I think you're right about that. | |
| And so I mean, I've talked about this in, I think I even talked about it in the space that we did like a year or so ago. | |
| And I've talked about it with other people as well. | |
| But we're in this curious, you know, point in world history where, you know, we like to think of Monogamy as the way of nature. | |
| There's 50-50 chance of a man and a woman, more or less, and there you go. | |
| God wants us to pair. | |
| Well, okay, there's some truth to that, but it's not the entire truth. | |
| We got at that differential between value earlier with pheasant hunting, but... | |
| But also, most men are not going to reproduce. | |
| Most men in the natural world today and throughout human history will fail at this task. | |
| And there's a kind of... | |
| Bottleneck effect where most of them are not reproducing due to high child mortality, due to poverty, due to dying in war, due to dying of plague, etc. | |
| They're not getting there. | |
| And there's a bottleneck effect of women being the choosers. | |
| And it's hard to actually successfully reproduce. | |
| And I think a lot of the right has this, you know, half-remembered dream of the 1950s when we did, you know, to a large extent, have a kind of universal monogamy. | |
| We had also put Europe into rubble and were the biggest economy. | |
| Yeah, exactly. | |
| I mean, right. | |
| Germany was literally in rubble. | |
| England was chaotic. | |
| The Soviet Union was there. | |
| I mean, it was just a different world. | |
| But we created this, like, rising living standard concept. | |
| And there was, you know, not always seen in practice, but there was a kind of everyone gets a little piece of the pie. | |
| And I also agree that, like, real polygamy You know, practice to the extreme is, like, not at all a stable social formation. | |
| So, a big, you know, an Asiatic big man who has, like, a harem of 2,000 women, and you have all these single men who are horny, like, yeah, they're going to kill them. | |
| You know, it's a matter of time. | |
| So, it's a balance. | |
| You know, there's a kind of, you... | |
| You reach a balance in culture and monogamy has played a part in that. | |
| But then also there's a degree of that, there's a strong degree of that kind of bottleneck effect. | |
| And, you know, fast forward to this crazy place where we are now. | |
| So we have a hyper-sexualized culture. | |
| I mean, I'm offended by it in many ways. | |
| I think, you know, I am worried about my children in a few years, you know, getting on TikTok and seeing this stuff or hardcore pornography is ubiquitous on the web. | |
| I don't need to go into it. | |
| We're also in this kind of weird asexual culture where young people are having less sex, like by multiples in comparison with Gen X or Boomers or Silent Gen even. | |
| I mean, it's really strange. | |
| And we're delaying marriage, and there's some good things about that. | |
| If I were to tell my daughter, I would say, wait, you don't have to get married at 18. I think you have time. | |
| I think that's a pretty sound decision, but there's some bad things about it as well. | |
| And so we're in this kind of weird... | |
| I think that sexual, like, understandable in many ways, sexual frustration of the right is one of its driving forces. | |
| And the incels are kind of like, they're like the alt-right of yesteryear. | |
| They're like the crazy, like... | |
| Mad aunt that you keep in the attic, but she is part of your family. | |
| I think there's some Stephen King, maybe he's like, pet symmetry. | |
| Crazy aunt. | |
| Anyway, you know what I mean? | |
| They're part of the family, but they're just totally insane, and you try to pretend that they don't exist. | |
| I think the incels kind of act like that vis-a-vis the right in general. | |
| I think there's a lot of understandable sexual frustration. | |
| But there's also this selection process that's been taking place since the Stone Age that they don't want to face. | |
| So what do you think about these ideas that I put out there? | |
| No, yeah, I agree with what you're saying. | |
| I think it is... | |
| So like with hunter-gatherers... | |
| You actually do see a pretty natural mix of both monogamy, serial monogamy, kind of polyamory. | |
| It seems that people just kind of go into these different little pockets in a state of nature. | |
| I think we're just kind of returning to that. | |
| I think you're going to see some people who keep pursuing serial monogamy, some people who want to get... | |
| Married for life. | |
| And you're going to see, you know, and this is what we're seeing in tech and SF, you're seeing all these people who are very interested in polyamory now. | |
| I think that's just kind of how people default to. | |
| There's just people who are naturally more monogamous. | |
| There's people who naturally aren't all that monogamous. | |
| And I don't think we need, I don't think we need to so strictly enforce monogamy anymore. | |
| I really don't think that that's necessary. | |
| I think that's just actually how people kind of naturally behave. | |
| I don't think there's one actual sexuality that every person behaves by or is supposed to behave by. | |
| But I do understand, I actually do feel for incels, and this is, I know I get a lot. | |
| Of hate online for being, like, this very cruel person who, like, just doesn't care about men or their plight. | |
| Sure. | |
| I've actually helped two of my mutuals get girlfriends successfully, that they're still dating. | |
| So I really do feel for people. | |
| I'm someone who personally is very monogamous. | |
| I do love the idea of being married for life to someone. | |
| I think that's very romantic and sweet. | |
| And I think that probably is the ideal for most people. | |
| And I would like to see people pair up. | |
| But we're in such a rough spot. | |
| There's just no good narratives anymore for what you're supposed to be doing. | |
| And young people are so lost. | |
| And it is weird that our culture is so sexual. | |
| Like, there's so much sexual imagery everywhere, right? | |
| But Gen Z is literally, they're not fucking. | |
| No. | |
| They're just not having sex. | |
| They're not pairing up. | |
| A lot of women have just decided, I just don't want to date anymore. | |
| And a lot of men have just given up on trying. | |
| I don't know how to bridge that gulf. | |
| You know, we're having this huge collapse of things, basically because I think most things are really driven by technology and material conditions, to be honest. | |
| Yeah. | |
| And that's all breaking down. | |
| And we don't really have a good replacement for it. | |
| I do try my best to help people. | |
| To be honest, in my personal life, like I said, I've actually helped guys get girlfriends because I do want to see people happy and in real loving relationships. | |
| And to me, a lot of the narratives that the right gives actually scare people out of dating, particularly if they scare women out of dating. | |
| I know I personally, I do not want to date someone who thinks a woman's just a vessel for his genes. | |
| He has no connection to her, doesn't love her, thinks that she's ugly the moment she hits 30. If that's all true, why wouldn't I just want cats and wine at that point? | |
| I don't think men are understanding this. | |
| Well, they also... | |
| I totally agree. | |
| I mean, it... | |
| Yeah, I mean, again, I have some sympathy for incels as well, but then their, like, takes on women are just insane. | |
| You know, I remember there was one, I haven't even watched Game of Thrones, even though I think I might actually enjoy it, but one of these, like, Targanese or something, she, like, took a selfie, and they're like, oh my god, this bitch has hit the wall, or whatever. | |
| Oh, you're talking about, um... | |
| Uh, Daenerys? | |
| Yeah, Daenerys. | |
| Yeah, you know, I'm not into Game of Thrones. | |
| I actually probably would be the type of person who would like that show. | |
| But, yeah, I just, I haven't watched it for some reason. | |
| But, yeah, and it's like, okay, I'm 44, so I have a different perspective than, like, if I were 18. Granted. | |
| But, like, if you think she's unattractive, you're insane. | |
| Right. | |
| She's cute. | |
| She's still cute. | |
| I think most guys would be happy to be married to her and wake up and see her face. | |
| It's just insane. | |
| And women, they keep seeing this. | |
| They keep seeing people talk about normal-looking women saying they're hideous and hit the wall. | |
| The wall comes through everyone. | |
| We don't want you. | |
| And it's just like, okay, then I don't want to marry a man because this is what he's going to think of me in 10 years. | |
| Well, but I think... | |
| To give them almost credit, I don't think they would. | |
| I think they would be really happy with their homely wife, to be honest. | |
| I do agree with that. | |
| Yeah, but they just, their brain is pornified, as I think Rosemary said in the chat, and they're... | |
| It's this weird kind of thing. | |
| I mean, the other fascination that I have, that they have, excuse me, is with, like, women who have multiple partners or something. | |
| So they've reached this kind of, like, extreme puritanism and, like, obsession with virginity among themselves and among women, where it's like, oh, you know, she's got this huge body count. | |
| And look. | |
| Obviously, to be fair, if I met someone and she told me she's had sex with 500 people, I'd be like, okay. | |
| Sure. | |
| You know, really, that's fascinating. | |
| But, you know, but granted, but at the same time, I mean, it's not even the day we, it's not even like, you know. | |
| These days, girls are likely to have a sexual partner in college or maybe in high school even. | |
| But it's like, it's always been like... | |
| It's always, yeah. | |
| It's not new. | |
| I mean, we don't have the shame culture. | |
| I mean, we don't... | |
| I was actually... | |
| It was funny. | |
| I was listening to this lecture by Mary Everstadt who, believe it or not... | |
| I actually knew when I was in Washington back in 2007. | |
| I actually stayed at her house. | |
| It's crazy. | |
| But she's very smart. | |
| I do have respect for her. | |
| But she's a Catholic, conservative kind of person. | |
| But she's very good at what she does. | |
| She gives that perspective due justice. | |
| And she was talking about this like she remembered the town where she grew up where... | |
| A girl got pregnant junior year or something. | |
| And, you know, she wasn't getting taken care of and she like left the school and went somewhere to have the baby and came back. | |
| And there was all this mystery around her and so on. | |
| And then she returned there in the early 2000s. | |
| And there was some just shocking statistic of like a third of the girls in high school were pregnant. | |
| Or something. | |
| And no one thought anything of it. | |
| And so they're really, yeah, I mean, that even kind of shocked me, but I, maybe it's an exaggeration, but it was something like that. | |
| But everyone kind of accepted it. | |
| So there is, like, there was a kind of shame culture, which probably did serve certain purposes. | |
| It would make... | |
| A lot of those men who knocked up a girl, it would make him marry her. | |
| I mean, for better and for worse, I guess. | |
| And it would kind of protect people. | |
| There are a few more consequences to sex. | |
| And I don't think anyone thinks that all these pregnant teenagers is a good thing. | |
| So there were benefits to it, and we've lost that shame. | |
| But the notion... | |
| That we're like, again, statistically speaking, the notion that we're more perverse than we were 20 years ago or 200 years ago is just simply wrong. | |
| I mean, this stuff has always been happening. | |
| And I don't know. | |
| It's like these incels, they've reached these new levels of monastic thinking or something, where they're talking about body counts and protecting the virginity. | |
| I remember Mark... | |
| My friend, there's a meme of this, like, kind of cute cosplaying girl with, like, glasses and boobs and things like that. | |
| And she was like, hey, guy, let's go have sex. | |
| And then the incel was, like, in a sheet of armor, and he was like, God is my honor that will protect my virginity. | |
| And it's like, dude, it's not, like, the man's virginity has never been sacred. | |
| Like, I hate to break it to you. | |
| No one cares. | |
| Ever, you know? | |
| And you're just, you're doing it wrong. | |
| Like, you're just leading, I don't know, maybe some crazy self-justification or whatever. | |
| But anyway, there it is. | |
| You can jump in here. | |
| Yeah, it's funny. | |
| I've talked about this before. | |
| I think these guys are just so under-socialized. | |
| They just... | |
| It's like how autistic people just like repeat things they see on TV a lot and they just don't understand that that's not quite how it is in the real world or how like quote normal people act. | |
| I think they just see these memes instead of TV like they see it on like YouTube or Twitter and it just becomes like this brainwarns thing that they obsess over and are just like constantly repeating and they just have no sense of normalcy because I've actually had I've actually had to tell these men, like, you go out into the normal world with a normal guy, this man is not expecting a virgin. | |
| No, he doesn't want a woman who's slept with, like, a ton of people, but he's not expecting a body count of zero, and he's not offended that it's not zero. | |
| Most people have a, you know, single digit or so body count, and I hate that word, but whatever, it's pretty normal. | |
| They're not freaking out about it. | |
| It's just kind of the standard, and that's actually how it's really always been. | |
| People have always been having sex, and they've always been having sex out of marriage. | |
| There's that statistic about, I think in the Middle Ages, they were saying a third of women at the altar were pregnant or something like that. | |
| This has always been going on. | |
| Oh, that's interesting. | |
| Yeah. | |
| I think Mary Everstadt might have... | |
| She might have shown some statistics like that. | |
| I think one of her points was that a lot of these things will kind of wax and wane. | |
| And so we have this notion of the Middle Ages as every woman was a virgin and every man was honorable. | |
| And it's hard to find statistics in the Middle Ages, of course, but to the degree that you can find them, a lot of these things will kind of wax and wane. | |
| And maybe we're going through one of those cycles right now, ironically, of less sex. | |
| Yeah, that's the thing, too. | |
| We're actually at a time where people are having less of it, and your boomer parents had more partners than you did, likely. | |
| So it's weird that they are so longing for, like... | |
| I don't know, the 50s and 60s and this mid-century American dream when people then were actually having more sex than these Zoomer kids are now who are like, hold up in their houses and not interacting with people outside of the internet. | |
| We're at a problem. | |
| We're having actually too little sex. | |
| So this fixation on... | |
| Virginity and body count. | |
| It's just, but also you want the birth rates up. | |
| It's just, it doesn't, it's not computing. | |
| This isn't going to go where you want it to. | |
| You're kind of like burning your own goal here. | |
| A lot of marriages in the past were just literally started by people having sex and knocking someone up and people kind of being sluts. | |
| That's how it's been for most human history. | |
| And yeah, like you said, these things wax and wane, and it's natural. | |
| And I think a lot of conservatism is this inability to, I don't know, just accept that, that we don't really have control over all these things. | |
| These things are kind of naturally cycle, and it's like this eternal cycle that just occurs with people with all sorts of things. | |
| That's just how it always has been. | |
| Probably always will be as long as we exist, or unless we become like the Borg. | |
| And I don't really want that. | |
| So they need to learn to just accept that this is how history, how human history operates. | |
| And I think there's also a distinction to be made between eugenics, and I don't mean that in terms of like a... | |
| eugenic program administered by the state for sterilization on I mean, just a, you know, making, again, breeding better is literally what the word means. | |
| It's, there's a notion that we did get better as human beings, you know, like our hominid ancestors were, they might have been kind of more badass than we are, but they're not as intelligent. | |
| They're not as sophisticated. | |
| They're not going to. | |
| Appreciate Beethoven's knife. | |
| And we are better. | |
| And we did that to a large degree through breeding. | |
| And it's not just like we had a, you know, culture obviously matters tremendously, but it was, we bred better people. | |
| And then this also kind of notion of the birth rate and things like that, where, and you see like Elon doing this. | |
| I mean, Elon seems to be, Elon Musk, that is, seems to be just a... | |
| Crazed narcissist who just wants to reproduce himself as many times as possible. | |
| And there are many people like him. | |
| But they're all complaining about the birth rate. | |
| And we just all need to go out there and create more bipedal humanoids. | |
| And it's just like, we don't actually. | |
| And I think that could have some really bad effects. | |
| Like that breed, like the human race depends on it. | |
| That's going to... | |
| At least what they're suggesting is... | |
| Because I think they are suggesting monogamy. | |
| That's kind of universal monogamy. | |
| And they're just suggesting that everyone on Earth have eight children or something. | |
| Well, I hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of people on this planet... | |
| Are dumb. | |
| And they don't appreciate the Ninth Symphony. | |
| And they're violent. | |
| And they're chaotic. | |
| And it's just like the idea that we need another few billion or something is a strange value. | |
| And I don't know where it's coming from. | |
| It's the opposite of what Elon Musk says. | |
| He's like, we need more people so that we can be an interstellar. | |
| And it's actually the exact opposite. |