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Dec. 17, 2019 - RadixJournal - Richard Spencer
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It's Literally Illegal Now: Trump Bans Criticism of Jews and Zionism
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Topic 2. The group discusses Tommy Robinson and struggles to say a kind word about this moronic, embarrassing shill of a man.
They further discuss the so-called anti-jihad movement, its history, its problems.
And they begin to wonder whether Islam has it right, after all?
So one of the key things which has been happening in British nationalism over the last two weeks has been the conflict between the real nationalists and the counter-jihad Tommy Robinson crowd.
So it started a couple of weeks ago and some of Tommy Robinson's fans asked me and my colleague Mark Collett to go onto their channels to talk about demographics because Tommy doesn't care about demographics at all.
He only cares about Islam.
And it actually says on his website that they reject race-based politics.
So Tommy's idea is that if everyone disavows Islam and becomes Christians or atheists, then he can stay in our country.
It doesn't matter if the white British become a minority.
So some of his fans asked me and Mark to go onto his channel to do a few debates, which we did.
And they went really, really well.
Their audience seemed to really like us.
So they ended up joining our movement, you know, registering at our website and things like that.
At the same time, Tommy released the trailer for his documentary Shalom, which is about the persecution of a Jewish man.
People were very upset about that because he crowdfunded about 18 months ago for a documentary that he was supposed to be making about grooming gangs called The Rape of Britain.
I've heard that he gained £2 million for that documentary.
Don't quote me on that, but that's what I've heard.
Anyway, that documentary hasn't been made, but the documentary about the Jew has been made.
So people are saying, you know, where's my money?
Where's the documentary?
And then at the same time, his followers seem to be rejecting him because he's only focusing on Islam.
So basically, he picked up on this.
He picked up on all the drama.
And he made these two really kind of effeminate, like, little outbursts, you know, these two videos.
Yeah, it was very strange.
I mean, Ed, I know you've seen those two videos.
Do you have any thoughts on them?
Yes, I had quite a few thoughts on them.
Some of them I won't say because they involve swearing and things.
But I have to say, it was embarrassing, really.
I mean, I haven't really followed Tommy Robinson that much, but there was a degree to which the impression that I got until I learned about all this was, you know, he's a brave kind of chap who's standing up against these things.
And OK, he's not very...
There's not a lot going on upstairs, but he's brave, and he's a fighter and a brawler, and he's done a lot of things that are very good and brought things to attention and whatever.
And I thought he seemed quite likeable, or this word they use these days, clubbable, kind of a bloke, a geezer, as you say, a geezer.
Although it is true that he's from Bedfordshire, and when I saw, it's nowhere near London, Luton, and when I saw the video, I noticed the kind of brr in some of his words.
Which was, as a person who is from London, was most certainly very un-London.
But no, it was a terrible, emotional little outburst, little kind of childish hissy fit, really, which only go to demonstrate that you'd made an accurate point, because that's what people do when you make an accurate point and they don't like it.
This process of cognitive dissonance, that you have something, you want it to be the case, you really want to have a high opinion of yourself, you really want to believe that what you want to be true is true, and if somebody triggers you and highlights the fact that's a problem, it creates this cognitive dissonance, and that will result in you getting angry and getting emotional because you can't cope with the conflicted feelings that you're dealing with.
And that's what it was.
You'd obviously hit the nail on the head completely in highlighting the fundamental problem, which he must know, in an ideology that says it's all about Islam.
Which is that what sustains civilization very substantially is IQ.
And IQ is about 0.8 heritable.
And we know from research by my colleague Davide Piffer that there are national differences in IQ, and these correlate at 0.9 with national differences in the prevalence of alleles that are associated with very high educational attainment, and thus with IQ.
So these differences in IQ are genetic, and they are explicable in terms of, well, there's various theories you can look at, but the main one that people have heard of is Cold Winter's theory.
This is the idea it's cold, and so there's more problems to solve, it's more difficult, whatever, and so it selects for intelligence.
It's a simplification of the theory, but it's a kind of reasonable working theory.
So for him to say it's all about Islam, okay, it's partly about Islam in the sense that the average IQ of Muslims in the UK is about 90 or something like that, and they have a considerably higher fertility than white people.
people or indeed any other Hindus or any other group within the UK.
So, okay, in that sense, it's about Islam.
But if you, even if they weren't Muslims, they could be something else if they had an IQ of 90 and they were out So, it's not an inherently Muslim issue.
I mean, I've got this book that's coming out quite soon where I look at ways in which Islam does reflect low intelligence and seems to bring about low intelligence.
I mean, Islam is an issue in intelligence.
But it's obviously not the only thing, clearly.
And also in terms of creating a society which, as we've discussed, a partner and whatever that works and where people can do things towards the social good and where people cooperate and trust each other and will lay down their lives for the society as they did in World War I and World War II.
What predicts that is a society that's high.
High in trust and whatever and high in positive and negative ethnocentrism.
And what predicts that is being a homogenous society.
There could be no Muslims in England.
But if there were people that were not British in England, you would have societal tensions and you would have a society that was less willing to defend itself and whatever.
And he knows that.
I think he knows that.
But he's kind of, as you say, he has this insecurity about social class manifestly, you know, less school with no qualifications and whatever, and he's kind of smeared a bit thick.
And he's insecure about it.
And so he's dealt with that by, as you say, I think being impressed by what certain certain political types or whatever have told him to say.
And so he and the other thing to say for that was just the ridiculous emotional response, swearing and being rude and nasty.
And he just it was undignified.
It was like it was like it reminded me of Wee Jimmy Cranky's response to Joe Swinson losing a seat.
I'm sorry, the Americans might know that reference, but to Nicola Sturgeon.
Scottish First Minister, losing her seat, this undignified, yell, Diane Abbott, when she went like, get in!
Like that, this undignified, emotional, nasty response.
And then I was thinking about some of the things that he said.
One of the things that he had a go at Mark and Laura and whoever else was involved about, he said, oh, you just sit there behind your computers, pressing alt, delete, whatever, you don't do anything.
Well, no, that's clearly rubbish.
I mean, one of the things we know you do is you went out and did that survey.
That wasn't sitting behind the computer.
I mean, that was going out and talking to people and whatever.
He was also saying that you were all incels, like none of you have children or something, which is also just manifestly correct.
I'll take that up in a minute.
I mean, well, that's...
So, yeah, this, oh, you don't do anything.
Well, that's nonsense.
Laura and Mark have organised successful conferences and they've done lots and lots of things.
So that's just rubbish.
Then the issue of no choice.
Well, they're my age.
They don't want your children.
Go and have some sex.
Well, first of all, Mark has a daughter.
So that's empirically inaccurate.
Well, they're my age.
Well, that's not true either.
And Laura's about six years younger than Tommy Robinson.
So that's inaccurate in that sense.
And thirdly, is he not familiar with the concept of group selection, i.e.
that you can pass on your genes directly through having children, but you could also elevate your genetic interests indirectly?
And some of the kind of genius figures of Western civilization who can be regarded as highly group selected and who have invented things that have allowed...
Western England or whatever to expand and rule the world.
Those people have often not had children because they invest their energies, which other people would be investing in sex or whatever, and in children, into their genius work or into their nationalism or whatever.
It doesn't have children, is inherently a failure as an organism, doesn't work in group-oriented societies.
And I find it particularly ironic that he said that, when you consider that he came to prominence when these people came back from Afghanistan, the Royal Anglian Regiment.
came back to Afghanistan and there were these Muslim protesters at this, this Mujahroon or whatever it was called.
And that's when he came to Providence with the English Defence League.
Well, these were people that were group selected, that were laying down their lives for the English people.
Young men who didn't have children.
What's he saying?
That they should go and have sex and not fight in the army.
I mean, that's not going to happen.
I don't think that's possible or even desirable.
We're just going to become baby factories and win elections.
Get into a competition.
A competition which we'll lose, by the way.
The insulting nature of it.
He was over here.
He was in Finland a year ago or so, the grooming we had here.
And there's a couple here in Nolu, actually, who are these nationalists who are doing what they can to preserve Finland.
Now, for whatever reason, I don't know, but they don't have children.
And it can be argued that they're operating at the sort of the group level.
I mean, I think it was just, he really made a fool of himself.
And then he made a second video that made more of a fool of himself.
I mean, it was just a breakdown.
So I think you've done well, Corey.
You've done well.
Yeah.
Well, thank you.
So just to go back to the, I mean, even if we strip it right back down to basic levels, with him saying that Islam is the only problem.
It isn't Muslims that are stabbing people in London.
It isn't Muslims that are doing the acid attacks.
African-Caribbeans are overrepresented by 280%.
I mean, in prisons...
Black people are 12% of the population in prison, but only 3% of the overall population.
And I think it's just like this comfort blanket that he has where he says, you know, Islam isn't a race, therefore I'm not a racist.
Whereas the other ones, you know, like me and Mark, we're talking about race.
And Richard, I know in America it's not Muslims that are causing all the problems, is it?
They're a tiny percentage.
Yeah, they're a tiny percentage of the population still.
I mean, they're highly concentrated in some areas, particularly in the Midwest, believe it or not.
But no, I mean, they're much bigger issues.
Yeah, let me roll on this.
I might get a little nasty myself because I truly do despise Tommy Robinson.
I'm not sure I would say that a few years ago, but I think he has shown his hand now, and I don't think there are really any redeemable...
I do think that class does reveal something about him in the sense that...
I think we all talk about this of the lower classes.
They're more down-to-earth.
They speak bluntly.
And they get it on a visceral level.
Maybe not on an intellectual level, but they get it in their guts.
And that's maybe more important than your head.
But I think with Tommy Robinson, there's something else going on.
I think there is a class anxiety where he both wants to be an authentic cockney, even though he's not.
But then...
Also is told by, say, the smart set or told, to be blunt, by Zionist Jews that this is how you do it.
This is how people will respect you and not think of you as just a racist, is to be a fervent Zionist, to visit Israel, to do some...
Documentary on the poor suffering of this Jewish man, which reminds me of American Christian Zionists who do all these documentaries on suffering Jews and donate all their money to them, as opposed to people right here in the United States who are suffering.
I think that's a real big part of it.
I agree with basically everything Ed just said, but I would take this a step further and look at it on a political level.
The anti-jihad movement is not new.
And I think that probably each of us has been influenced to a certain degree by it.
Maybe we resonate with it to a certain degree.
But I do think that on the whole, the anti-jihad movement is toxic.
It arose in the early 2000s, and that wasn't a coincidence.
It arose post-9-11, which is understandable, but it arose in the context of the United States and Britain supporting a war in Iraq that was based on lies and has done nothing for our people and has basically served the interest of Israel, served the interest of some...
Neoconservatives in Washington served the interests of maybe some oil companies who benefited, but certainly didn't serve our interest at all.
And this anti-jihad movement gave this...
Aura to these terrible wars that you are a crusader and you're fighting this battle of civilizations that will win on behalf of enlightened Christianity or whatever.
I think that kind of thing, it becomes powerful because it's kind of sub-racial.
It's subconsciously racial.
We get it that the Muslims are not us and that we're fighting against them.
But I think it's...
Sub-racial in a very toxic manner.
It leads white people to support bad foreign policy causes.
It clearly, it can be channeled in the direction of unconditional support of Zionism, where, you know, Israel's the front line of our civilizational battle, and Israel is a European country, and they're just like us, doing the good work by, you know, occupying the Palestinians.
I think it's toxic in that way.
And I think it's also kind of intellectually bankrupt in many of the ways that Ed described.
Real quick, whenever I hear these anti-jihadi people talk about Islam, it almost makes me want to convert.
They basically describe Christianity as liberalism, which I guess from my perspective it...
It is the foundation of that.
And they describe Islam as this badass Globetrotting, ass-kicking warrior cult.
And I'm just, when I listen to these people who are generally just Tommy Robinson types or Serja Trifkovich Christians or whatever, I'm just kind of like, where do I sign up for this Aryan warrior cult?
Yes, I remember you were very impressed by Nation of Islam, weren't you, when we went there?
Yes, we visited those people in town.
We had so much in common.
The West, if what you're defending on the West is the non-aggression principle or individualism or something, then I don't know.
That's not the West.
That's a West that...
Deserves to die, in my opinion.
That's a weak West.
These are our Western values.
Individualism and democracy and feminism and consumer capitalism.
At some level, you're defending nihilism at the end of the day.
Vis-a-vis Western nihilism, Islam is the strong horse.
So I think the anti-jihad movement is terrible.
I think it's also played out.
I think Tommy Robinson's rhetoric just reeks of the first decade of the 2000s, the George W. Bush era.
I think it's played out.
I don't think it leads anywhere.
Well, it does lead somewhere.
We've seen where it leads.
It leads to making sappy documentaries about oppressed Jews.
That's where this anti-jihad movement leads.
I think criticism, serious criticism of Islam is absolutely needed.
And we need to understand these issues.
But to just...
Focus on Islam as the problem, as opposing to focusing on racial issues.
And focusing on Islam when it brings in this Zionism and, you know, the battle against the anti-Semites or something.
It's just absolutely toxic.
It's an absolute red herring.
We should just dump it.
I'd like to add, it's very, very intellectually simplistic for him to just blame everything on Islam as if Islam's inherently bad.
As you know, I've written this book about Islam, which I look at the intelligence aspect, but the more I delved into it, researching the book, the more positive I kind of became about it.
It's very, very simplistic, the way he treats Islam.
I know that might sound a bit left-wing.
It is very simplistic.
He only focuses on the negative sides of it.
And in terms of promoting ethnocentrism and groups that win the battle of group selection and whose genes survive, as with all religions, but at the moment it's the main one doing it, it has a lot to say that's positive.
So Islam is right about many things, as it were.
So, yeah, I was most unimpressed by what he had to say.
Anyway, that's all I think.
So Tommy knows that Islam is connected to ethnicity anyway, because when he sent me some figures over for Muslims, he actually just sent me figures over for Pakistanis and Bangladeshis.
So he knows that it's connected to those ethnic groups anyway, so he's kidding himself.
But a lot of people in Britain do come over to real nationalism by going through the counter-jihad gateway, myself included.
So if we got rid of it, would less people reach nationalism, do you think?
Would you say it does more harm than good?
That is a good point.
Look, keep in mind, I'm Richard Spencer.
I'm always kind of vanguardish and out there and so on.
So from my perspective, I think the anti-Jihad movement at this point is doing more harm than good.
However, I...
Actually recognize your point about it being a kind of gateway.
But there's the difference between gatekeepers and a gateway.
If a gateway leads you into a wider world, if you're unconscious...
As a 20-year-old, and you know that something's going wrong, but you can't articulate it, and the anti-jihad movement kind of leads you to a deeper understanding, I think it served a very good purpose.
But if it leads you into joining the English Defense League, I don't know if that exists anymore, or, you know...
Supporting Zionism or whatever, it's obviously been a gateway.
It's taking your good instincts and perverting them.
So I think it's a real question and a serious question that's worthy of being discussed, but I would come down on the side that it does more harm than good.
Yeah, so the issue isn't that he's sat at the gateway saying, look guys, these are my views, now you need to go on to these people after me.
The issue is that he's stood there saying, these are my views, them little white supremacists, don't listen to them, stay here, stay in my little camp.
And I agree with you that it's doing more harm than good, although it can be a vehicle for some people.
Half an ounce of intelligence would be able to see through those videos, though.
It was so obviously a kind of a fear reaction.
I hope they get widely watched, that's all I can say.
What's the cockney word for, like, wanker or idiot?
What are some good insults we can launch at Tommy?
I'm a northerner, sir.
I don't know.
A cockney insult.
I'm not 100% sure.
I know lots of things like apples and pears and all that kind of thing, but I don't know about...
You told me about these.
They rhyme words?
They rhyme words, yeah.
They answer the phone.
Dog bone phone.
Answer the dog.
The dog bone phone.
And there's quite new ones as well, so you can say these like on the Rory.
Rory Underwood, he was a cricketer or something, or a commentator.
Rory Underwood, under, get down, on the Rory.
And so there's quite a few of them.
It can be developed in order to confuse policemen, is what I've heard.
I don't know if that's an urban myth.
I don't know whether that's an urban myth, but that's why it's...
I'm confused.
So...
Well, no, I mean, things like you might say, it's not an insult.
It doesn't really work as insults, but you might say something like, watch out, Fred's trouble and strife is stomping down the street.
The trouble and strife is the wife.
So I suppose you could say that's insulting.
Watch out, Tommy's coming down the street.
Yeah, yeah.
I apologise to all the people in there.
Barney Rubble is trouble.
So you could say that Tommy is, you know, he's Barney Rubble, is Tommy.
He's Barney Rubble for the nationalist movement.
Yeah, he's Barney Rubble.
Tommy's got a right ugly skin and blister sister.
That kind of thing.
But it's always stuff that rhymes.
Tommy's a bit Martin Jeff to the subtle aspects of nationalism.
Martin Jeff, Def.
Tommy Robinson sucks.
Tommy's a right tea leaf.
That tea leaf would be an insult.
He would probably take that as a compliment.
The sad thing about Cockney rhyming slang is that it's dying out because London is now probably about a third white and because of white flight, you know, a lot of the actual Cockneys are heading up north and then obviously nobody understands them when they talk Cockney rhyming slang and, you know, it's pretty sad.
A lot of them went to Essex or Kent, because in the old days, in the 30s or whatever, they used to go hot picking in Kent.
That was their summer holiday, so they could earn a bit of money and have a holiday.
And they always have this dream to move out of East London into Essex.
And so that's where you'll hear more genuine cockneys now, in East London.
He used to be born within the sound of bow bells.
So Bo is the area of East London, the bells of...
Now I know.
But you could say...
I saw Tommy's video about Mark Connick, Laura Taller.
He's having a bubble.
Bubble bath, laugh.
So he's having a laugh.
It's like you rhyme a word that's not in the sentence.
It's bizarre.
You rhyme it and then you take out the word that rhymes with the word that you're trying to say.
So bubble bath, laugh, bubble.
He's having a bubble.
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