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Dec. 17, 2019 - RadixJournal - Richard Spencer
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The 2019 UK General Elections

The McSpencer Group returns to discuss the recent General Elections in the United Kingdom. Richard is joined by Laura Towler and Edward Dutton. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit radixjournal.substack.com/subscribe

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It's perfectly true that I have had some drugs.
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Welcome back to the McSpencer Group for December 16th, 2019.
First topic, the UK elections.
Boris triumphant, old labour, and maybe woke labour, defeated.
What does it all mean?
And what's going on with those funny hats?
Joining me on the panel today are Ed Dutton and Laura Towler.
Begin!
Hello everybody, welcome back.
My name is Laura Towler.
I am a YouTuber and a writer from England and today I'm joined by Richard Spencer.
Hello Richard, how are you?
I am doing very well.
I've just moved across the continent of North America so I was brain dead for hours driving a truck and now...
I've awakened and I want to talk about British politics.
Very good.
And I'm also joined by Edward Dutton.
Hello, Ed.
How are you?
Hello, Laura.
Yes, well, I'm actually in an extremely happy and chipper mood because of the British politics thing, which Richard just mentioned.
So that's where I'm going.
I'm not.
No, you're not.
No, no.
Sorry, so we've obviously got lots of interesting topics to discuss today, including the general election in the United Kingdom, which is the first topic.
So on Thursday in Britain, we had a general election of which the Conservative Party won.
The Tories won their largest majority in the House of Commons since the 1987 election under Margaret Thatcher.
They took 365 seats in total, an increase of 47 since the 2017 election.
But the biggest news, however, was regarding the Labour Party, who had their worst performance since the 1930s, losing 59 seats.
And the Red Wall of the North, which has been in position for decades, came tumbling down after white working-class communities abandoned Labour in favour of other parties.
So, Ed, have you been enjoying the meltdown as much as I have?
I had a personal meltdown as a consequence of the meltdown.
I was live streaming at the time on The Jolly Heretic and we tuned in for the result and we were thinking at best, at best, it would be a majority of 30 or something like that and it would cause problems.
I was just watching it and going, yes!
86!
And then my colleague becoming ecstatic as well, and Adam Perkins owed him 50 quid because they had a bet.
Adam Perkins is an academic in the UK.
And I mean, for those who are Americans who are listening to this, I don't think it's...
It's hard to overstate what happened.
I mean, we're talking about areas of Yorkshire, where Laura's from, northern England, that used to have mining and were these working-class areas where there's visceral hatred for the Conservative Party.
And that got even worse after the closure of Mrs Thatcher closed the mines in 1984 and so on.
Absolutely loathing for the Conservative Party.
I'm told that it was possible, if you listened very carefully on Thursday night, to hear rumblings from graveyards as Laura's great-grandfather and people like that turned into graves.
And now the English working-class people have expressed the fact that they're not going to be talked down to and sneered at by these people in London that hate them.
And take them for granted anymore.
So I was absolutely thrilled.
I was thrilled.
I know it's not the change.
It's not the end of Kali Yuga.
It's not whatever.
But it's a lot better than having a powerful Labour Party, which is what we've had until recently, a relatively powerful opposition.
Now they are defenestrated.
So what were your thoughts as a Northern lass?
What were your thoughts as an American?
You go first, Laura, and then I'll jump in.
To give my totally uninformed outsider perspective on events.
So I'm one of these northern working class people that we're talking about, so I'm right in the heartland in these communities.
And the way that people are up here are their parents voted Labour, and then their parents voted Labour, and then their parents voted Labour.
So they kind of feel like they're doing something maybe a bit traitorous by going for the Conservatives.
And that's a problem that we've had for all these years, because Labour are obviously so bad.
They have a lot of loyalty to them and it's not, you know, there's no reason why they do have this loyalty because they've not done anything for them.
It's just family ties.
And as Ed said, us Northerners hate the Conservatives because of Thatcher shipping all our industries abroad, such as, you know, the shipping industries in the North East and stuff.
So I'm so happy that white working class people have just finally...
Like, groan the balls to abandon Labour.
And it's not that we're celebrating that the Conservatives have been voted for.
It's just that that grip has been released for the first time ever.
And I don't think the people up here have any loyalty towards the Conservatives.
It's not that they, you know, like that party.
I imagine that a lot of them held their nose and voted for them.
But just the fact that the grip from Labour has finally been released after all these decades, that's what we're celebrating.
But you don't seem as optimistic.
Is that right?
Well, I think the whole thing is very complicated.
And so, again, I'm going to give my American uninformed perspective on matters, but I think I will get at some kind of ambiguities or contradictions here.
I totally recognize the fact that working-class Brits in Northern England, etc., just...
On a visceral level, loathe people who say, wear ascots or, you know, on live streams about politics or, you know, speak with Ed Dutton's accent.
I mean, I completely understand this visceral hatred that they have.
So I think there is that residual aspect to it.
But I think what's happening in a way, again, this is an American's perspective, but...
What happened in the United States with the Democrats and the Republicans has been nationalized and in a way internationalized with Britain.
So even if you go back to as recently as Bill Clinton in the 1990s, the Democratic Party was 58% working class white people.
That is white people who are mostly rural.
Who don't have a college degree or have half of one or something like that.
That was a kind of Labor Party backing.
That has now literally flipped.
And those people now make up 58-60% of the Republican Party.
The Republican Party wasn't quite as, say, posh as...
But it was the party of big business, wealth, the eastern establishment, interestingly.
And now it is flipped to the party of working class and middle class white people in middle America.
And I see the same thing happening.
The only thing I would say about this, and this does strike me as genuinely ambiguous, is that...
Jeremy Corbyn, much like Bernie Sanders, is not Tony Blair.
And even if he kind of bows to the woke crowd and the London crowd, that's not where his heart is.
And I don't think I'm wrong to read both Bernie Sanders, whom I don't have a visceral hatred of, to be honest, in the way that I dislike Elizabeth Warren and some other of these people, that their heart is in a kind of little England Working-class nationalism.
And to be honest, it was the Tories who supported things like going into the European Union and etc.
And it was actually the real Labour Party that should support things like Brexit.
I noted these two tweets.
Which, these are obviously anecdotal, but I think they say a lot, that were put out by each party.
The Labour Party put out a black and white photo of white children, and they said, vote for your future.
And there was something, you could say, kind of nostalgic about it, something mid-century about that kind of...
Sentiment?
And what did the conservatives tweet out on the election day?
They treated out a grotesque image of this black man and a white woman lying in bed, you know, just getting excited about voting conservative.
And, you know, you shouldn't read too much into tweets, but I think these are actually telling of, let's say, impulses within the party.
The conservatives are a globalist party.
The people who support Brexit, or at least the leaders of Brexit, not the people who voted for it, are globalists.
They understand Britain as being a global sea power.
I think the people who voted for Brexit did it for immigration, like no question.
So I think they had very good instincts.
But the people, the ideologues behind it, Farage and all these other terrible people, are absolute free market Thatcherite globalists.
And there seemed to be an impulse within Corbyn to go back to that old labor, which I actually find a lot of virtues in it, even though, I don't come from a working class background.
I really get where they're coming from, and I think there's some positive aspects to that.
Corbyn was, at least to the degree that I understand it, he was relatively silent, maybe a little bit ambiguous about Brexit.
He said, "I respect the vote." He was not a, you know, vitriolic vocal remainer.
And I actually, I've heard the rumor that he is a closet Brexit supporter, as he should be as a kind of retro leftist.
Yes.
Yes.
Go ahead, Ed.
Yeah, no, I mean, I agree with a fair amount of that.
I mean, one of the issues that struck me is that both the Conservative Party and the Labour Party are coalitions of different views, and they shift over time and so on.
And so the Conservative Party does have this element of nationalism within it and whatever.
And indeed, when I was an active member of the Conservative Party, when I was a teenager, a lot of people in the Conservative Party openly voted UKIP.
But I'm talking senior officers within the local conservative association.
So there's this nationalist kind of English nationalism, remnant English nationalism that's there.
On the other hand, yeah, you do have these kind of big business people that just want to make money.
And their attitude is that a conservative government will not tax them very much and will free them up to do that.
And similarly, with the Labour Party, you have this coalition.
I think the big, if I were to simplify it immensely, even if you go back to the 60s or whatever, you've got the people who were in the upper class.
And that was very much the Blairite ascendancy, those kinds of people.
And then you've got increasingly, of course, just the immigrants and particularly the Muslim.
Viewpoint.
The Hindus seem to be more inclined towards the Conservative Party because they do better.
They have about the same IQ as English people and they just do quite well.
The Muslims seem to be more inclined towards Labour.
And then you've got what has been massively expunged from the party, really.
But when I was a child, a lot of these people that were in the Labour Party and were MPs were just trade unionists.
They were just working-class people, born in Yorkshire or Wales or whatever, in working-class families.
What the Labour Party was doing was promoting their interests, literally their genetic interests, their family's interests, the interests of the areas in which they lived.
So there was a strong kind of practicality to that.
And it's that practicality that kind of went, these people who were working-class.
Who were reasonably intelligent, I suppose, because of what was brought in under Attlee or whatever, a more kind of egalitarian society where grammar schools and things like this, kind of moved up to being middle class, really.
And consequently, there was very few working class people left in the labour movement.
And then Labour started to just look with contempt, really, upon working-class people.
It started to see the whole culture of them.
I mean, in the 1980s, you had wrestling.
I talk about British wrestling here on television.
And you had the kind of men that did comedy in working men's clubs up north.
They would be on television doing comedy.
And this was all removed.
This all went in favour of the left-wing, privately educated sort of people.
They completely took over the party and, indeed, the culture of society.
A lot of ways.
And I just ignored and held in contempt and looked down on and seen as the white van man, the woman that's the Shadow Foreign Secretary, Emily Thornberry.
Is that her name?
Is it Thornberry?
Yeah.
Lady Noogie.
She tweeted this image of a white van just to show her contempt for the working class.
And so they hold them in contempt.
But I think, as Laura said, because of what Labour did for the working class in England, brought in the health service, I mean, it's hard to remember how poor some people were in England in the 1940s.
When the health service was opened up, you'd have women that had hernias that had been holding them in place with bits of cloth for years.
And then finally, they didn't have to pay to go to a doctor, and so they went and got it sorted out.
I mean, the level of poverty was...
I couldn't afford underpants a lot of people in those days.
I mean, the level of poverty was considerable, and there's a strong loyalty to Labour because of them dealing with that, and it takes something very big.
But for that to be flipped, it takes the feeling to finally sink in that they are held in contempt, that what they think is a good idea is held in contempt, their views are held in contempt, everything they want out of life is held in contempt.
It takes that.
And it takes a long time.
And I think, hopefully, that is happening now.
Finally, it's sinking in.
And their values, the values of the English working class people, are conservative values.
Similar to Bernie Sanders, because I don't, everyone's making this parallel for good reason.
Wasn't, weren't his instincts to get back to that type of party as opposed to the Blairite party?
I mean, the Blairite party was a neo, you know, what is it?
What was it called again?
Neo-Britannia or cool Britannia or whatever.
That was a globalist, Americanized shopping mall society that he was imagining.
That was new labor.
It seemed like Corbyn, despite the fact that he had all this woke, multi-culti nonsense going on, his impulse was to return to that.
And yet, again, the narrative is that Corbyn was the problem.
I think...
Sorry, go ahead.
Well, I was just going to say, I mean, if we look at just the economic policies, as a working class person myself, I can say that Corbyn is better for me.
You know, the conservatives don't represent me and my family and the people who live around me.
But it's the cultural policies which are just so strong that they just take up all the space, you know, all the dialogue on TV and stuff.
And they just take your attention away from the good stuff that he is saying.
I mean, he wants to, you know, the post office, he wants to deprivatise it and things like that.
You know, there are lots of good stuff that would help us.
But then you have policies like...
Making illegals, giving them all amnesty and giving them the same rights as us.
And then he wants to create safe routes from the Mediterranean to Britain and then...
People can obviously seek asylum, but if they don't get asylum, then they have the same rights as anyway, and they can vote.
He also wants to teach British children about colonialism and slavery, and we know what that's going to be.
That's going to be, you're British and you should feel bad for being British.
We should teach them about imperialism.
But we should teach them the truth.
Yeah, exactly.
The truth.
It's good.
We need to stop, as I've said.
But the other thing about, as I agree with Noah, the other thing is that it has to be, okay, so...
That cultural stuff, that cultural indoctrination is a worry.
That kind of making working-class English people feel that their culture is bad and they should feel ashamed and all this kind of thing.
That culture war, you can guarantee that they'll do that.
But Labour are so financially incompetent, and they always are.
Always the Conservatives get voted in to clear up the financial mess that Labour have made.
That's how British politics seems to work.
The country gets rich, and then it gets decadent, and then it votes Labour.
Apart from after the war.
But otherwise, that seems to be the process.
And you've no guarantee that he'd be able to do these things that sound wonderful, like having free internet for everybody and the health service being wonderful.
He probably wouldn't be able to do those things because he would flee the country.
Businesses would get out.
People would have...
The country would become poorer, there'd be less tax money, and so he probably wouldn't be able to do those things.
And so what you can guarantee if he gets elected is that he'll do things that are bad for the British working class and that are bad for their culture and their genetic interests and the things that are good.
OK, yeah, his heart's in the right place, perhaps you can argue, if you're being charitable, and he wants to do those things, but he probably won't be able to do them.
And I think that a lot of people kind of realised that.
And also there was just this fundamental kind of fair play dimension that Brexit has been voted for and the English people voted for Brexit and should have Brexit.
And it was obvious that he wouldn't deliver it.
If he is Eurosceptic, he may be.
I mean, the Labour until the early 80s were more Eurosceptic than the Conservatives, and you had Tony Benn and Peter Shaw and people like this that were campaigning to get out of the European Union.
But that flipped when they realized that the EU was a way of bringing in lots of socialist-type policies, and then it kind of reversed.
But I don't think he'd be able to do those things.
I think people knew he wouldn't be able to do those things.
And it has to be understood that he had with him these appalling, nasty, spiteful people in his band, such as Diane Abbott, who couldn't even wear two shoes from the same pair on the election day.
I will admit that...
I actually did that the other day, so I cannot criticize Diane Abbott on her shoe policy.
I'm nothing if not fair.
I changed my shoes when I noticed it.
Corbyn's economic policies would be good if they came with nationalism, but he wants those policies to be available for the whole world.
And it's probably worth talking about the reasons why...
The northern working class have abandoned Labour.
And I don't know if you've been following this in the States, Richard, but one of the key reasons has been the grooming gangs and the cover-up by Labour and how they just haven't apologised for it.
You know, all the people who were involved are still in positions of power.
I don't know if those stories have reached America, but people up north are just sick of that as well.
Do you have any thoughts on that?
Yeah, I'm sure.
Go ahead, Ed.
Go ahead.
So I was going to say that was an example of the degree to which their ideology and their multiculturalism allows them to hold the working class in contempt as far as they were concerned.
So what?
Who cares what happens to these people, these chabs with their baseball hats and their oven-ready chips and their fast food and their obesity?
Who cares?
It's almost like they are a sacrifice.
They are swinging for England, as they used to say of those that were wrongly hanged for things.
It's for the greater good that this should be suppressed so that multiculturalism can flourish.
I think this is a big problem within the left that isn't Exactly rearing its head, but it will right now, and I think it will ultimately divide them in the sense of the woke politics of personal liberation and everyone, There was this silly movie called Team America World Police where there was a song.
Everyone has AIDS.
We all have AIDS.
Yeah, that is basically wokeness.
We all have AIDS.
And there's that on the other hand.
And then there's this kind of retro mid-century social democracy on the other, which are both actually ascendant in the Democratic Party in the United States.
Four years ago, or let's say eight years ago, if you mentioned Medicare for All in a democratic debate, people would just poo-poo you, laugh you, say, get out of here.
You're a socialist.
We don't do that in America.
Now it is actually reversed.
That debate has been won by a kind of ascendant social democratic force in the sense that if you oppose Medicare for All, you are a boring old white man who is constantly saying, how are we going to pay for it?
So that kind of mid-century social democracy, retro left, is ascendant.
But at the same time, we know...
I mean, Barack Obama opposed gay marriage.
At this point, among Democratic candidates in the United States, if you are against literally government-funded sex change operations for six-year-olds, you are a Nazi.
And these two things really are opposed.
I think conservatives like to just talk about the left as if it's this monolith.
But these two things really are opposed.
And I ultimately think wokeness will win.
Wokeness will win in the hearts of voters in the sense that it is so toxic or, on the other hand, so kind of irresistible to some people that that cultural force is the dominant.
Of course.
And I'm afraid, even though I have a great deal of sympathy towards, say, mid-century social democracy, the likes of which was supported by Corbyn and Sanders, I don't think that will win out.
I think that will ultimately be overwhelmed by the woke crowd, the woke crowd that is embraced by corporate America.
Indeed, they were embraced by major corporations before they were embraced by the Democratic Party.
So I think there is a, I don't know, there's some real strong, big fissures in the left that I think are kind of coming into play.
I hope the woke crowd wins, because it's the woke crowd that is the turn-off to decent English or American working-class white people.
So I really, really hope they win.
If it's the sort of a sort of a socialism without the wokeness that wins, then, well, you're going to get just a less free country and people will pay the price.
People will be happy to pay that price as they were in England in the 40s.
I mean, one of the reasons why I think that the health, Tony Benn argued this, who was a British, very left wing politician, deputy leader of the Labour Party.
I think he was.
And he argued this.
After the war, there was this bonding.
The Second World War had this bonding effect and it had this levelling effect and so people had this feeling of solidarity and this continued into the peace and so consequently they voted Labour.
Well, that's one of the reasons they voted Labour.
Also, there hadn't been an election for 10 years and whatever.
And so socialism came in and it was completely unquestioned really until Thatcher.
It was just there.
I don't think that would happen now because what underpins that is this sense of trust.
This develops in a context in which the country was completely English or British, in which social differences were much smaller than they are now in terms of the difference between the richest and the poorest, in which there wasn't as much of a divided upper class.
Now you have a divided, as Peter Turchin argues in his research, there's more of a divided elite.
You've got all this overpromotion and all these overqualified people.
And so therefore you have competition within the elite for a set number of places.
And this creates competition within the elite.
And all of these things which would predict a harmonious society have sort of broken down.
And I have to be honest, my own intellectual trajectory within that, I don't think I would have said this 10 years ago.
I think I still had some libertarian hang-ups rattling around in my brain 10 years ago, but I would absolutely say this now.
The concept of the white death, which people associate with the opioid crisis, more people die in a year of the opioid crisis than died during the Vietnam War.
And this is a rural, largely white, not entirely white, problem.
People are sleeping more.
People are more in debt.
People are watching more television or the digital equivalent more.
People have more tattoos.
People are consuming a lot of alcohol.
The white race actually would benefit tremendously from Medicare for All, from perhaps a UBI-type plan and so on.
And what I find so tragic is that these people whose instincts are solid...
They reject the woke left and they go right into the hands of big business corporate conservatives who won't ultimately do anything for them except race bait or vaguely insinuate that they are for the people or tweet about American nationalism or something like this a la Trump.
It really is tragic.
I'm not 100% sure about that.
I think if you talk to a lot of English working class people, I know this is mainly the American channel, but a lot of English working class people are very grateful to Mrs. Thatcher.
People who are working class don't necessarily want to be working class.
They are working class.
Their values are based around making money, more so than being educated or whatever.
They want to make money.
They don't want to be poor.
And one of the things that Mrs. Thatcher did for them was he sold them their council houses.
Well, that's one of the things that nobody else would.
The Labour Party wouldn't do that.
The Labour Party wouldn't sell them their council houses because the Labour Party wanted a client state and they could control them if they owned their properties and if they were basically needed.
They needed a Labour government.
Mrs Thatcher sold them their council houses and this kind of allowed them to...
I mean,
It's a substantial asset.
And so I don't think it's true to say that they don't do anything for working class people.
You could argue that they make the whole country richer and that benefits everybody, including people who are working class.
I don't believe that.
Wealth inequality is tremendous.
It's not like the city of London, all this money flowing through that place is all trickling down to people.
If you go back to the 70s, you've still got children that went to school without underwear because their parents couldn't afford underwear.
And that's no longer...
I mean, people definitely got richer, and it's not as a consequence of socialism that they've got richer.
OK, it's true that wealth inequality, relative inequality, does lead to resentment and negativity, and that is true.
And so there has to be a balance struck between simple...
Thatcherite ideas of just wealth and everyone should be rich and that's that.
And I do agree with that.
But I don't think it's true that they do nothing for the working class.
I wouldn't quite put it as simply as that.
So we've got a rather powerful Conservative government for the next five years now.
We've obviously had the Tories in power for the last nine years.
We've had record levels of immigration.
We've had...
Record levels of indoctrination in British schools.
We've had our identity.
What does it mean to be British?
English broken down.
They've been giving children hormone blockers so that they can't reach puberty.
The LGBT stuff has just gone crazy.
What are you expecting over the next five years from the Conservatives?
More of that, basically.
Overseeing the decline of civilization.
I mean, actually, Enoch Powell said something powerful where he said that the Tories both wanted to benefit from the anxiety and rage induced by mass immigration while ultimately not doing anything about it.
And I think that was the best description of Republicans, of Tories, of all of these so-called conservative parties around the West.
They will ultimately benefit from these problems because these problems of mass immigration, social atomization, etc., cultural wokeness, they create intensity, they create polarization.
I'm not saying that it's a good thing, it's brilliant to have a conservative government.
It's just brilliant by comparison to what the alternative was.
Maybe.
Maybe we should go full woke and see what happens.
Let them go full woke and then hopefully it will provoke a reaction.
Maybe.
But the problem with that is that if you're not in control of the situation, then you can't be sure what's going to happen.
We discussed this on my own show.
We can't know how bad it'll get.
It's a very, very substantial risk to take.
And so that's why it is...
It is preferable that the Conservatives are in power.
And as I said when we were discussing this the other day, Richard, it's stamped on my memory.
I couldn't believe it when I was always brought up to think, oh, you know, we used to say this phrase in England.
You'd say something like, sorry, is anyone sitting there?
And you go, it's a free country.
Now, no one can say something like that anymore.
Who really thinks Britain's a free country now?
You used to say it as a phrase.
You say, sorry, do you mind if I sit there?
It's a free country.
Why would you say that now?
I have to say, Britain, on these levels of just personal freedom, I don't mean this to be insulting.
I think Britain is far worse than the United States.
In terms of surveillance, arresting people for social media posts?
I mean, it is actually leading the way, whereas usually it's America, it's the worst.
It's appalling.
And it was very much, it was new Labour coming into power, and there was all this enthusiasm.
I was 16 years old, I remember it very well.
And Jack Straw, who was the Home Secretary, saying they were going to bring in laws so that if you committed a crime and it was motivated by race, then that would make it a worse crime.
And his words were, to express society's repugnance, that was the word he used, that you should act, you know.
And I thought, good God, hang on a minute.
And then they got rid of habeas corpus, which means that they can try you for the same crime again and again and again and again.
It's a basic protection against a dictatorial regime, habeas corpus.
And they got rid of it.
On the emotional grounds of this Stephen Lawrence murder that took place in the early 90s and the police messed up the investigation, so they got rid of it.
I mean, it was...
The country became very considerably less free.
And unfortunately, the Conservatives haven't really done very much to reverse that.
So there is this interesting division that's taking place, I think, this polarisation, as Peter Turkin has argued, where on the one hand, as you said, Laura, under the Conservatives, the wokeness in the schools and the indoctrination and the complete takeover of the BBC and the organs of the state, the teaching profession and all this, by just this insanity.
That's one thing that happened.
But the other thing that you would expect to happen in a breakdown of society into polarisation is that another group within the society would go more the other way.
And that polarisation is definitely happening because the social prominence of the right, what 20 years ago were utterly extreme out their views, published in magazines read by 200 people, have as a consequence of the internet and other factors as well.
Reviews which were totally out there 20 years ago are now published in the Daily Mail, for example, totally incomprehensible that you wouldn't dare speak in a public place.
And so it's this polarisation.
Unfortunately, in terms of that polarisation, it is the left still that have the cultural power in the universities, in the schools, particularly with all these female teachers who are woke and indoctrinated and they're assorted, you know, let's bring drag queens into school to tell six-year-olds it's OK to be a transsexual or whatever.
But then there's this other movement.
I mean, if Turkey is right, what it should culminate in is a kind of war.
That's what he would predict.
I mean, it's extraordinary.
People are talking about this.
I mean, I find it quite tragic.
I've seen a lot of this on liberal YouTube and liberal Twitter.
They're interviewing Trump supporters who are going to his rallies.
And, I mean, people like me were obviously...
Overly enthused about Trump a few years ago.
Now we're bitter and critical and all this kind of stuff.
But there is a working class support of Trump supporters who are openly talking about civil war and so on.
And I don't think anything like that is going to happen.
But just the fact that they are voicing these concerns is...
Well, it's significant at the very least.
It's alarming, you could say, but it demonstrates how they feel about these things.
Polarization has almost become a race.
But it's almost, I mean, and the Republican Party is 90% white.
I mean, it's the middle, lower class white people's party and everything but name.
But it's almost like political partisan divides have become racial.
In the sense that these partisan divides are as impactful as race is.
I actually don't find it to be a positive development.
It's not surprising, though.
People tend to assault along.
Genetic lines, both within race and between races.
And you'll get, of course, there's variation in that.
I mean, people will perceive that, I mean, let's say, for example, England was invaded by Danish people.
Well, a few Danish people, it might be some benefit because there might be some doctor who's amazing and his contribution out.
It outweighs the negative of his genetic interference.
But if it's too many, then, of course, it's worth taking up arms or whatever.
And you have that same balance.
You're always going to get some people.
That's why trust collapses, as Putnam found, in multicultural communities.
You're always going to get some of the natives who will collaborate with the outsiders to promote their own individual interests against the group interests, because we operate in terms of group selection, operate in terms of individual selection, and whatever.
So you're always going to get that.
And what would be perfectly logical to expect, as society poses, What polarises is you're going to get basically a white Republican Party and a Conservative Party in the UK that's maybe white plus Hindu or plus Jewish or something like that.
And then a Labour Party of basically white collaborators and Muslims and perhaps some black people.
That is a perfectly logical scenario based on the research on genetic similarity theory.
It's not something that would be surprising at all.
And as this piece that I actually just posted this morning discusses, the white race is being divided and polarized between people who resonate with vague conservatism and a new class of people who are,
to be frank, wealthier, living in the suburbs, and more culturally impactful, who don't, and actually view white working class people as the enemy.
I mean, you can even say that this polarization is on genetic lines in a way.
I mean, these are different types of white people, but...
Yeah, and they almost said, I mean, the social class...
I don't see this as positive.
There was a study in 1989, I think it was, that found that there are differences in blood type.
So if you divide England into five social groups, one, two, three, four, five, and it was something like 30% of the group at the bottom of society have a five, have a particular blood type, but it's 43% of those.
Which one was it?
I forget.
I have to check.
I forget which it was.
I'm one of these Asiatic hordes from the steppes.
I'm blood type B. Are you?
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