Rudy Giuliani critiques the Guthrie kidnapping case, accusing Sheriff [Name] of mishandling evidence by sending it to a Florida lab instead of Quantico or NYC’s DNA facility, while questioning FBI delays and media bias. He contrasts Lincoln’s rise—an underdog over Seward, praised for debates like those with Douglas—with modern leaders, calling Trump a "close friend" despite unprecedented hostility. The episode shifts to election fraud claims, targeting Walz and Hawley for alleged 2019 knowledge of whistleblower reports, and accuses Walz of pro-China ties, citing flag redesigns and Xi support. Giuliani’s commentary blends legal skepticism with political conspiracy theories, framing systemic failures as deliberate betrayals. [Automatically generated summary]
I don't really think the Inner Coastal has much of a beach here.
We have a big point.
Near where I live, there's a very big marina, and therefore it suggests that the water is pretty high so the boats can come in.
And it's a beautiful marina.
It's very full right now, Ted.
It is.
The boat show is still a month away, I think.
It's still a little bit away.
So this weekend, I know you're going to be there both 48 hours, the art show.
And I know how you are a connoisseur of art.
I'll see you there.
Can I make a suggestion?
Very often there are a lot of pretty girls there.
That's right.
No, you're right.
You're right.
Optimism.
With very expensive tastes.
Pretty women.
I don't know if you're allowed to say girls anymore, are you?
Right.
I guess you're right.
I mean, I still do, boys and we made a very big mistake yesterday.
We forgot to wish everyone happy Abe Lincoln birthday.
Right.
They do the President's Day thing now.
You know, so they combine Washington and Lincoln into President's Day, which they do on a convenient Monday.
And therefore, all of us forget, like, you know, God forbid you forget like your kid's birthday or your wife or your husband or something like that.
So Lincoln was born on February the 12th, 1809.
Make sure I remember 1809.
Make sure I'm right.
You're right.
1809.
February 12th, 1809.
He was born in, although he's connected to Illinois, and that's where he came as a representative.
He was born in Hodge, Hod Genville, Kentucky, in a log cabin.
True.
Okay.
He wasn't in the log cabin as much as they like to make it seem.
His campaign manager really expanded that log cabin thing.
But in any event, and he was, I wouldn't say he was a wealthy man when he became president, but he was an upper middle, he was a well-to-do man.
He was an enormously successful lawyer.
People think of him as, you know, having debated for, well, he debated for 10 years on this issue of slavery.
But he didn't have much of a public career before he became.
He was a member of Congress one term, member of the state legislature for a couple of terms.
Illinois.
And then a president.
He lost the 1858 election for the Senate to Stephen A. Douglas.
That's when the Douglas-Lincoln debates took place.
The famous Lincoln-Douglas debates.
That's when they took place.
That's when the idea of debating every week, going from place to place, the two of them, it wasn't like our debates with all of the unfair, rather limited and totally biased reporters who make the thing a freak show.
They debated each other.
It was debate.
And they used somewhat modified debate rules, but they were both great debaters.
Lincoln, and that's what made Lincoln really famous, because those debates were repeated in newspapers all over the country on the issue of slavery in particular.
In 1858, that issue was boiling up, of course, it boiled up to a civil war two years later, or maybe three.
So this was the most pointed discussion and high-level analysis of the issue of slavery that Americans really got from two extraordinary.
I mean, Douglas pales in comparison to Lincoln, but the man was a brilliant man and more accomplished than Lincoln at the time.
And then they ended up running against each other for the presidency.
Lincoln was an underdog for the nomination.
Largely picked because, largely picked over about half his cabinet.
And also, I think one of the reasons he was picked by the political professionals who really ultimately prevailed in those days, the bosses, the so-called bosses, was their view, although, you know, it depended on who you are.
Seward was his big, from New York.
New York.
Seward was one of his biggest opponents.
And Seward thought he was stupid, ill-educated, stupid, a hick.
And then within three months of being in his cabinet, he would tell people it was the most brilliant man I've ever met.
You can't imagine how brilliant this man is.
And you're not going to know it because he jokes around so much.
And you're just never going to, and he doesn't look like he's a brilliant man.
But he said he is without any doubt the smartest individual I've ever met.
And then, of course, served him as Secretary of State and a great Secretary of State.
He's responsible for Alaska.
Seward's folly.
And he's responsible for keeping a balance in Europe during our Civil War, because England very much wanted to come in on the side of the Confederacy.
And he kept them.
Well, he balanced them with France.
That's right.
France would have used that as an excuse to also come in.
Like 100 years before.
Yeah.
But England did help the Confederacy with blockades.
And of course, we did our own in trying to run our blockade, the American blockade of the Confederacy.
But in any event, let's read a few of Lincoln.
I just pulled these out.
No special reason.
Just, gosh, the man was so wise.
How about this one?
I like this one a lot.
Most folks are as happy as they make up their minds to be.
That's a good one.
I want you to think about that.
A lot of happiness is about your attitude.
As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master.
This expresses my idea of democracy.
That was deep within him.
I mean, the idea that he was reluctant on slavery or whatever, ridiculous.
The man started in politics on the issue of abolition.
Just like the Republican Party was put together on the issue of abolition.
The Whig Party disintegrated because the Whig Party wasn't unanimously abolition.
The Whig Party was unanimously.
The Republican Party has always been somewhat the same in that it would be small government party, less government spending, more emphasis on state rights, except the issue of slavery, which took them away from state rights, which was kind of the problem with the Whigs.
But somebody like Seward, who you mentioned, Seward was a rabid abolitionist.
And many of the Northerners were, they'd be like the sort of the MAGA, the really unbelievable they were consumed with this for a couple hundred years in their families, particularly in New England and New York and Pennsylvania, the great contributors to the Civil War.
Dr. Maria State, New Hampshire, was one of the great, was one of the great contributors to the Civil War.
Michigan contributed, but maybe not as much.
Oh, it didn't, but it wasn't as big.
Yeah.
No, no, the Midwest, the Midwest, the Midwest was made up of people that didn't understand slavery.
It didn't make sense to them.
Why would anybody be a slave?
Because a lot of them had come over from Europe.
I mean, a lot of them were like at first German and French and Eastern European laborers and then Irish, tremendous number.
The idea of slavery was really abhorrent to them because they felt they were slaves to the English.
And they were very, very strict Catholics.
All men are created equal.
Everybody's a child of God.
And then the Italians who had to be against slavery because they were the second most lynched group because people thought a lot of them were black.
Yeah.
Seriously.
Oh, yeah.
Particularly a lot of it happened in Louisiana.
One more, I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true.
I'm not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have.
True to myself, there'd be another way to say that.
Now, the thing about this man is he really lived that way.
These are not, nobody wrote these for him.
He didn't have a speechwriter.
He didn't have AI.
He didn't have any of that.
He had an unbelievable brain.
Remember, he was a self-taught lawyer.
And you should know, and you're not going to know this because people don't know.
He was an enormously successful lawyer, which was played down very, very often for him politically.
They wanted him to be the guy from the, from the, from the, I mean, he was very, very far from the one room cabin.
Yeah.
He was the most successful lawyer in the Midwest.
And he was, how about this?
He was a railroad lawyer.
He represented the big corporations.
That's constitutional law, right?
No, no, no.
There were a lot of lawsuits against the railroads then by people who were injured.
Oh, and big ones, sometimes by entire communities and states who are taking off property.
He was a big money lawyer.
And he was considered like: if you could get Lincoln to try your case, you probably got the best lawyer in Illinois, and you probably got the best lawyer that people thought of in the Midwest.
Yeah.
Wow.
He was a great trial lawyer.
And that makes sense.
Some of his writings, you know, I used to, I used to, I think I've read, I haven't read everything about Lincoln.
If you did that, you'd probably be still reading.
Team of rivals.
I pulled out everything I could find about his career as a lawyer.
But it was deliberately played down that he was a very rich lawyer.
And he was rich.
Rich.
Rich, rich.
That would be like today.
Comfortable.
Today he would be, you know, a millionaire now is not a millionaire 30 years ago.
He'd certainly be a millionaire.
Yeah.
So Abraham Lincoln, happy birthday and thank you.
I mean, nobody could be contradicted if you said he was our greatest president.
I mean, you could say Lincoln.
You could say Jefferson.
you might be able to say Ronald Reagan or, or, or Donald J. Trump.
I've, I've, I have, I have to really sit down and think because Donald Trump is my very, very close friend.
And of course, I've worked, as you know, very, very hard to get him elected both times.
And I gave up my right arm to get him elected.
And I'm enormously happy that I did and proud of him.
I tell him, you're a better president than I thought you would be.
And I mean it.
And so I don't know if my judgment is a fair one, but he's certainly, you know how they say, so the greatest baseball player is Babe Ruth.
But now who's the second best?
Hotani.
Get lost.
I have to say.
Let's see him do it for 14 years.
I mean, Lou Gehrig is better, I would easily say.
Mickey Mantle.
Yeah, but no, we could honest Wagner.
I mean, we got Koufax pitchers?
That's another argument.
That's a real argument.
You can't come up like you can with Babe Ruth.
You can't clearly come up with the best pitcher.
Probably you got.
Koufax is there, though.
Oh, definitely.
He might be the one.
Is he Jewish?
What?
Was he Jewish?
Of course he was Jewish.
Yeah.
Famously, right?
Sandy Kofax.
But your point is.
He was.
Yeah, he was unbelievable.
My point is that you have to put now Donald J. Trump in the discussion for greatest president.
And you have to start thinking about: are his challenges greater or less?
How do you compare them?
And how the media treats him.
Republicans automatically get a bump up with the media treatment.
Last hundred years, anyway.
Well, anybody out of office is going to get a bump up compared to people in office.
I mean, look, Truman was virtually run out of office by the Democrat Party.
They didn't want to reum.
Truman couldn't get nominated.
He was so unpopular.
And now a lot of people, a lot of historians, consider him to be a very, you know, not the greatest president, but in the top 10 of presidents.
Even W, think of his, how the media treats him now compared to when he was president.
Yeah, yeah.
And that is going to be very, same thing with Ronald Reagan.
Media hated Ronald Reagan.
I mean, when I say hate, nothing is like the sickness they have with Trump, which is.
Maybe Nixon.
No, it's even worse.
It's even worse.
A lot of people feel bad for Nixon.
So happy Abraham Lincoln Day.
I know we have too many holidays and the president's recent holidays, he didn't give people a day off, I know, because he's worried that people aren't going to work enough.
But there should be two separate holidays.
The 12th should be for Lincoln and the 22nd should be for George Washington.
And when we get to George Washington's Day, he'll be my greatest president, who I think I believe Washington's underrated.
What If John Adams?00:02:20
Oh, wow, really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that people take it for granted too much.
Because of what he did, giving up.
Yeah, but I think.
And I also think in the case of Washington, you got to look at his whole career.
Being a general.
And it isn't as if he was a great general, but not that good a president.
He was both.
Right.
Oh, my God.
He could be our greatest.
We wouldn't have any other generals with George Washington.
It would be all over, and we'd all have an English accent.
We'd be drinking tea.
And we'd all have an English accent.
Maybe German because there wouldn't be in America.
What would have happened if this is like a wonderful life?
I mean, you know, if he hadn't been born, this wouldn't have happened.
If we hadn't, if America hadn't been born and this great engine of democracy created, and we had been a serf of England, would we have been there with our unbelievable industrial capacity to save Europe from Hitler?
Or would we be all speaking German now?
Okay, interesting, interesting question.
Well, what would happen if John Adams was the first president?
Would we be in a different world?
I'm talking about winning the war.
I don't know that anybody else could have won that war with George Washington.
I mean, there are occasionally.
The Delaware.
I mean, I'm sure somewhere God would have found someone, but he fits in that category of it seems like God gives us the right person at the right time.
Thank you.
But you think of the qualities that he had, the combination of qualities that he had.
And to hold New Hampshire, which maybe didn't exist.
Oh, sure, it did.
Yes, New Hampshire, right?
And South Carolina together.
Right.
Or Massachusetts.
The big states were Massachusetts.
The big states were Massachusetts and Virginia.
Those were the two.
But then, of course, New York was always strong because they had a lot of wealth, a lot of Pennsylvania was extremely strong.
Maryland.
Maryland.
And then Virginia.
And then you get below Virginia and it really was different.
I mean, they felt like they were in a different place until that's the Civil War happened.
The Caribbean.
People don't remember the Caribbean.
Yes.
We're originally part of the mix.
FBI and Police Knowledge00:15:39
Well, the Guthrie case is, of course, I have to speak on this because this is something I have knowledge of, and maybe I can contribute to this.
The sheriff should be removed.
I believe that this is too sensitive a case with still a time pressure.
And the sheriff did say this today in the interview that he had.
He believes that Mrs. Guthrie is still alive.
Now, I'm going to tell you, you have to believe that.
You have to, as a human being and as a professional, you have to believe it because it is possible.
I mean, anything, what you don't know is always possible.
And it doesn't really change too much the nature of the investigation to use that as your hypothesis.
But that means that every minute you waste is another minute where it becomes more likely she's going to die.
And that goes back to the very beginning.
He can't ever be forgiven for having violated the crime scene.
And I'm going to tell you why, because you don't know what they destroyed, and they don't know what they destroyed.
And that's why the good policemen and FBI agents are obsessive about a crime scene.
People sometimes used to get annoyed.
I mean, I would go to many, well, first of all, as a prosecutor, I went to many crimes to be there.
I mean, in New York, it's very, very often that they bring the local or the FBI and the DA, or they have a prosecutor available during the investigation.
I spent hours in the FBI headquarters, particularly the Drug Enforcement Administration office, and then would go to the same with them.
If you had to get search warrants, if, in fact, I wonder where the lawyer is in this case.
But to have violated the crime scene is outrageous.
Number two, this is before he made this decision or I found out about he's sending stuff out to some laboratory, some private laboratory that they can track with.
This is not a normal case, pal.
This police department has 600 police officers.
I don't mean to demean them.
I don't mean to, I just mean to be practical.
New York City Police Department, when I was the mayor, had between 39,000 and 41,000 police officers.
Now it's about 35,000.
I just want you to get an idea, huh?
The FBI is 15,000 agents, and then another, maybe more than that, 18, 19,000 support personnel, many of which are paralegals and investigators also.
So it is a little deceptive if you say they have, you know, 15 or 16,000 investigators.
That expands quite a bit.
And then they're in these task forces like the Joint Terrorism Task Force, which at one time was exclusive to New York, is now in many places.
I put together when I was Associate Attorney General, the drug enforcement task force all over the country.
And the DEA is mostly involved in that, but the FBI will have some contribution to that as well.
So that expands.
Well-managed an FBI office has a large number of police working with them and usually has in their office or in a sub-office task forces where the local police are assigned to the FBI.
So 14,000, 15,000 is multiplied dramatically based on particularly the skill of the agent in charge of the FBI office in their, can he work with the locals or is he a pain in the ass and isn't able to work with them?
Which is, you know, much less frequent nowadays than it used to be in the so-called old days.
And was never particularly true, believe it or not, in New York, largely because they're so big.
And even though there's a kind of a rivalry, the NYPD will say, we're bigger than you are and better.
And the FBI will say, well, we're better.
And actually, when you get down to it, they have tremendous respect for each other because they're both tremendously good.
But 600 police officers limits the scope of what you can do.
They say, for example, they have, what, 17 or 18,000 leads.
If that were my old police department, that's a breeze.
That's not a breeze.
I shouldn't say that.
But you can imagine the number of personnel.
When I said we had 41,000 police officers, we have also pretty much an equal number of assistants, paralegal types that you could bring in to do that.
I mean, thousands.
You could put a couple thousand people on this case.
With 600,000, with 600 cops, you can't do that.
When was their last kidnapping?
I think someone told me it was a year, a year and a half ago.
When was the FBI's last kidnapping?
Probably a week ago.
The point here is: if the guy wasn't thinking about himself and a narcissist, FBI would have been involved immediately.
He'd have put him in charge and he'd have worked for them.
That's what I'd have done.
Now, in New York City, I would have called them in also immediately, even though I had the biggest police department in the country.
Probably we'd have a co-weadership situation until the evidence develops of an interstate connection and the FBI takes over.
So I would want them there in case that happened.
So they were, plus, I wanted their extra expertise and resources.
Even with the New York City Police Department, they did more kidnappings than we did.
Now, I was on the other side for many years, and I would constantly want the resources of the New York City Police Department because they were better at homicides than the FBI.
Because they do more.
Well, nobody does more kidnappings than the FBI.
Now, beyond that, not using Quantico, you've got to be some kind of a dummy not to use Quantico.
It's the best crime, forensic crime lab, maybe in the world.
Certainly in the country.
And it isn't invested, there's nobody better.
New York City has its own crime laboratory, has its own DNA laboratory, which I may tell you, I started with Howard Safer.
Cost, I think, $25 million originally.
Eventually it cost about $40 million because not because I didn't trust the FBI to do it, but because it takes a while.
And the FBI, as you might imagine, doesn't particularly like to send things by plane.
This was particularly true when you were dealing with, you know, analyzing chemicals and got involved in terrorism.
And they had, so the FBI would call upon sometimes local laboratories or call upon us to do subcontracting work for them.
Now, if we're talking about DNA, the FBI taught us how to do DNA.
It's the Quantico laboratory that came up with mitochondrial DNA and the process that's used all over the world to really analyze it.
European countries use Quantico.
Now, what's this guy doing?
Sending it to a private lab in Florida.
And I'd like to know the name of the private lab because I remember I was in this business for 12 years.
I had one of the largest security companies in the world and I use laboratories all over the country.
But if I could somehow figure a way of working my way into Quantico or the New York City lab, I would do it.
Just for the mere fact that if you have a trial and you put somebody on from Quantico, it's going to be a lot more persuasive.
Even to the judge, I mean, the jury, you know, the FBI, the poor FBI, you know, I shouldn't say poor FBI, they cause their own problems.
But I have to tell you, as a very realistic critic of those problems in the FBI, many of which are being cured, but they're going to take a while.
This was never, the laboratory is pristine.
I mean, they had one scandal of the Stupid scandal.
But you're dealing with a private laboratory.
How do you know?
So his having sent evidence there, instead of using Conoco, you're saying, well, why would he do all this?
Why wouldn't he just bring the FBI in, either give them control or co-control the investigation, and let them take him through a kidnapping case, which I doubt he's done too often.
You know why he's in love with this thing.
Ted and I had that feeling the first time we saw him before all these screw-ups happened.
There's something about this guy.
I don't know.
Like he's bullshitting too much.
And he remember, he runs a 600-person police department.
Now, they do have, his agency is bigger than that.
They do have the jails and other stuff.
But here, the only thing that's relevant is your investigatory experience and capacity.
And of course, the total lack of wisdom is if you don't know what you don't know.
And boy, he's been operating that way from the very, very beginning.
And it's a tragedy because time was lost here that never can be comp, you can't remedy that.
And it's being lost right now.
I don't, I mean, of course, it's rather foolish for me to say he should step down.
He won't.
It's rather foolish of me to say that he should give it to the FBI.
He won't.
Because he's not wise enough to do that.
And it's unfortunate, you know, for the Guthries that this is the guy that was in place when their poor mom was taken in some way that we don't know yet.
No point in commenting too much on the case because like, and I mean, I actually find the discussion fascinating because, of course, this was what I did for most of my life.
And to listen to the experts on television, I have to say, by and large, they're pretty damn responsible.
It's very hard to do the job that they're being asked to do because most of the ones you see, and of course, I basically watch Fox and Newsmax, right?
The ones that you see, but I'm sure the same thing is true on the communist stations, the ones that you see are professionals, and they know that they don't know.
Obviously, the police and the FBI, even though they have apparently limited knowledge about this, have a great deal more knowledge than the people who were asked to speculate.
And I thought, I think they've done a really, really responsible job.
And I don't think the press has in any way, I don't think that anyway prejudiced this investigation, even though it's like wall-to-wall coverage.
I mean, many people, I guess, raised a question, you know, would this happen for somebody else?
And it wouldn't.
I mean, it just wouldn't.
It's got to be realistic, right?
This is newsworthy is a determination that gets made in the public arena.
And when it gets made, particularly with the desire for ratings, and you notice it takes up a lot more of television coverage than it does newspaper coverage.
So if you were to look at the, and I actually look, I stopped doing, last weekend, I went through about eight newspapers in the United States, like the main ones in all the major cities.
The newspapers are not totally devoted to this.
I mean, you could go, if you want to take the ones in New York, the Times and the Post, the Daily News, a lot of coverage, but not, it's like four pages, five pages in the tabloids.
It's one page in the Wall Street Journal.
But on television, some are more than others.
It's almost wall-to-wall coverage.
You'd expect it on NBC, right?
There, she's part of NBC, a big part, personal part.
I don't know what to do about that.
I mean, I wish this attention were given to all of the missing persons' cases.
And many of them, they would help maybe even more than this because they happened in situations where there were more possible available witnesses.
I mean, you very often solve a missing person's case through the public and through dissemination, like the dissemination of pictures.
And here, this took place in the middle of the night in a rather isolated area.
You're going to have to be lucky that people observe things.
And at this point, you would think if they did, they'd come forward with it unless something comes along that jogs their memory.
So let's, I mean, yesterday, into this morning, it seemed as if there were two remains of gloves that were found, one a mile and a half or two miles away, and then one in the house.
But apparently that was a mistake.
The sheriff says that there wasn't any gloves found.
Now, other things were found from which they have every reason to believe they're going to extract DNA.
And that's what he sent to the laboratory.
I don't know what these things are.
He didn't describe what they are.
It is completely outrageous that that wasn't given to the FBI timely.
Also, if they were given 10 days ago, the DNA analysis has been over, you know, a long time ago.
I've Seen People Do That00:03:53
they didn't say they got they've gotten a bit He didn't have to tell us the results, but he could say we got it back.
That's not going to prejudice anything.
And I'm sure the Bureau would like to get their hands on it.
Also, not to mention the fact there's a hell of a lot more secure to do with the FBI.
I don't know which private laboratory.
When I find out, I'll tell you their rating.
I'll tell you how they're evaluated and regarded and rated.
I'm not going to start now, but I can tell you the best one in Florida.
I can tell you that one off the top of my head.
And I went back and checked, and it still is.
I also don't understand what the hell they're doing in Florida.
To get out to Florida, they fool over about eight.
Or they could have gone to, you don't think they have great DNA laboratories in Los Angeles?
What about the LAPD?
That's a, you know, that's another, or the LA Sheriff's Office has to be the biggest sheriff's office in the country.
It has to have the most experience.
It has to be a hell of a lot more experience than the Tucson Sheriff's Office.
So then you start speculating what's going on.
Why Florida?
Well, let's see what happens.
There's more.
There's tragically more to go here.
I do think, and I don't know what good this does to say this, but I do think it can be solved.
I do think that, and really the key and very solid piece of evidence is that video that they have.
That will eventually result in catching this guy.
Believe it or not, that's good enough to identify him.
Much tougher to do it than if we had much tougher to do.
That's the one that isn't him.
But that would have been good.
I mean, if that was him, there you have an outline of a really good outline of face.
That's the one I'm talking about.
And I would see if I could get the, if the press wants to cover this, just play that over and over again.
Please show us how he's how you don't have to do it, Ted.
We'll do it later.
But show us how he's, I'm talking to the media now.
I don't know why.
They don't listen to me.
But just keep showing us how he's walking.
Believe it or not, your walk is pretty damn distinctive.
And I don't think he was concealing it.
It doesn't look like he's trying to stage a certain I've actually seen that.
I've seen people do that thinking they're going to be photographed.
But see that that's the way that guy walks.
And if you know him, well, you're going to say, holy, you know what?
Minnesota.
Well, I'm going to take a break.
We got pretty much into the show talking about the case.
I'm going to talk a little about Minnesota and what's going on there and what we can expect now that we're going to get back to concentration on what looks to be the biggest welfare fraud maybe ever, but certainly in a long time.
And it can't be that level of crime and that level of money floating around.
There weren't a lot of people that shared in it.
Well, we'll be back very shortly.
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Well, welcome back to the Rudy Giuliani show on Lindell TV.
This is not Rudy at the beach.
We just wanted to show you we're in Palm Beach.
And I imagine the president of the United States is headed this way, right, Ted?
That's our understanding.
Yeah, I mean, with that fraud bragging, which means he's coming down here early.
He was bragging about the economy now.
Brag.
And my guess is he's going to be playing golf tomorrow, even if he's bombing Iran.
But, you know, he'll have all those guys at the golf course.
Like he did that.
Right.
Asking who.
A couple of months ago, he had like his whole national security group was at the golf course and he took him off to a private room that they have built there.
Well, I kept teasing.
Let's keep watching the TV.
We may see who they're buying.
In a few minutes, yeah, that was great.
I got a good laugh out of him during the Super Bowl before the Super Bowl when I went out to him right before halftime and I said, when I saw the planes taking off, you know, for that, the Jets, when the Jets come over, which is always an exciting thing.
I told people at the table, and they thought I had inside information, that they were headed to Afghanistan, they've headed to Iran to bomb the Ayatollah.
And then that'll happen right during the halftime.
And nobody's going to watch Big Bunny if that happens.
We'll show him Bad Bunny.
What a bad thing.
I think he said he's pointed at Lindsey Graham after he pointed to Launcher.
You're as crazy as he is.
I thought this confrontation or exchange between Hawley and probably one of the most, well, whatever.
I mean, this guy back, one of the worst in politics, never should have been an attorney general.
Was in Congress before.
He was terrible in Congress.
And this is also a guy who took his oath of office on the Koran, which means he swore to kill infidels and particularly Christians and Jews.
He swore on a book that says you shouldn't be friends with Christians and Jews.
So in any event, you're going to see just what poor people in Minnesota have for an attorney general.
But I mean, if this guy isn't headed for the big house, I'd be shocked.
Shall we play it?
Whistleblowers came to you as early as 2019.
Let's look.
As early as 2019, whistleblowers.
Don't talk over me.
As early as 2019, it's my hearing, pal.
As early as 2019.
Don't call me prayer.
Whistleblowers came.
Well, I should call you a prisoner because you ought to be in jail.
Well, we'll see what you can do.
That's awesome.
Curriculum love between the two, huh?
But I mean, Hawley was being interviewed this morning, and he basically pointed out something I should have remembered last night.
I didn't, but they got a big long tape involving this creep.
And as the senator said, he and the governor knew as early as, and probably way before that,
but officially they knew as early as 2019, which was a long time ago, that there were people complaining about this fraud and whistleblowers within the agencies complaining there was no audit, there was no, and that if you found the audit, you're going to find that a lot of these schools don't exist, they don't have people.
And then the fraudsters themselves, one of whom has already been convicted, another of whom is indicted, came to him and wanted him to interfere in the investigation.
Which, I mean, one reading of the tape is that he said he would, and that Walls was with him.
He did say, the governor, or he said, Governor Walls is with me on this.
Man, if I were trying a conspiracy case, would I love to have that evidence?
So we don't have to rely on the fact, like, you don't have to say, well, they must have known about this.
There are whistleblowers who came to them, told them about it, and more money was stolen, you know, after they found out about it than before.
And in the case of the attorney general, he's got the responsibility to investigate.
He's not just some senator that they came to.
And of course, all these people are big contributors to him and to the governor.
The other thing, in the case of walls, they leave out all kinds of relevant things.
I don't know why.
He's a big jerk, and I have no idea why they give him these.
So they never cover all the evidence where it makes it appear as if he is a Chinese operative, red Chinese operative.
They also never cover maybe one time here and there.
What the hell is he doing with a Somali flag in Maggot?
He took the Minnesota flag.
He basically just did a redesign of the Somali flag and changed it.
What's that?
I mean, I know that's not a crime, but it feels like it should be.
Right.
I mean, Somalia is probably, you know, it's a sad country, but it's probably one of the most crooked countries in the world.
That isn't probably, it is one of the most crooked countries in the world.
You take the flag of your state, which you're supposed to have.
You see, if you're a red Chinese operative, that's what you'd want to do.
This whole thing about burning the flag didn't just occur to somebody, you know, I'm going to burn the flag.
This is a Marxist tactic.
You read Karl Marx, read Engels, read the people who interpreted them, destroy the symbols of patriotism, attack patriotism, make people reject patriotism.
And you can see all of the tremendous emphasis there is on making people feel uncomfortable if they're patriotic.
Well, it don't make me feel uncomfortable.
I mean, F them.
I love to wear my MAGA shoes and my – one person wrote on the show, I guess it was one 4th of July, or maybe it was the last one or whatever.
And we've got to find this out.
I have several, you know, like shirts that reproduce the American flag.
And someone said it's disrespectful to wear shirts like that.
I mean, first of all, let's look that up and see if there's any basis for that.
But I love wearing stuff like that.
I particularly love doing it in New York because a lot of people didn't like it.
And I always felt that there was something that they had to be re-educated because there's something wrong with them if they get, if they're not, if you don't occasionally at least get a few goosebumps when the national anthem is played, I think you should go live in another country.
I agree.
You're missing something about America.
And since we're a country that's tied together by our dedication to great world-changing principles, nothing else ties us together.
As defined probably most eloquently by Abraham Lincoln, I mean, if you think these things are, you can just take the statues down and do this and do that.
That's terrible.
I do want to play, I know we only have a little time left.
I do want to play AOC in Munich.
The Munich Conference, many people believe has now replaced Davos as the most important economic conference because so much of the world economy depends on defense and it depends on what's going to happen with Russia and China and are they contained.
And there's our Secretary of State, who is already being mentioned in scholarly publications, several of which I read over the last three or four weeks, already as she may be one of our great secretaries of state.
I have no doubt he's going to be one of our great secretaries of state.
But let's go ahead.
This is AOC in Munich.
Should the U.S. actually commit U.S. troops to defend Taiwan if China were to move?
You know, I think that this is such a, you know, I think that this is a very long-standing policy of the United States.
And I think what we are hoping for is that we want to make sure that we never get to that point.
And we want to make sure that we are moving in all of our economic research and our global positions to avoid any such confrontation and for that question to even arise.
That's pathetic.
That's pathetic.
She obviously doesn't know what to say because as a person, I wouldn't say that AOC is a communist.
I can't be sure of that.
But she sure has support from a lot of people who are communists.
So she's really afraid if she comes out too much in favor of defending Taiwan, she's going to upset all the crazy left-wingers who support her.
I'm not sure she can spell Taiwan.
I think she's a very poorly educated person.
I don't know if she's not intelligent, but I think she's very poorly educated.
I mean, I would expect when she was a bartender, I would have expected a better answer for Taiwan if I was at the bar talking to the bartender.
I said to the bartender, what do you think about Taiwan?
Should we defend it or not?
I think the bartender would say, well, yeah, I think we should.
I think, you know, if China were to ever get Taiwan, it'd be really tough for us.
Or I don't think we should go to war over Taiwan.
So she's, I mean, she's not even, she's not even as aware of foreign policy as the normal New York bartender would be, Ted.
And that's what she was.
I mean, her back, her experience for the job she has now is she was a bartender.
And I don't know if she was good.
I mean, we'd have to test her if you drink, if you have mixed drinks, just, you know, if you're just ordering a scotch or something.
But I mean, I don't think people really get the depth of her ignorance.
It's profound.
And they went there to show how smart they are on foreign policy.
We don't have the time to listen to Big Hair, who also made a complete jackass out of himself, kissing Red China's ass.
But I mean, I don't know what else you need to know about him other than he went to see Xi Jinming before he made his decision whether to run for president or not.
Then he gave a big parade for him in San Francisco.
And he brought in like thousands and thousands of Chinese people, probably two-thirds of whom didn't want to be there because he probably killed somebody in their family.
Do you have any idea of how big a murderer Xi Jinming is?
You think Big Hair knows or cares?
He knows that his constituency is in love with China, even though they are an atheistic, communist, genocidal power that, among other things, has killed more of their own people than any country on earth now.
And really any country I can think of in history, because generally countries don't kill their own people.
Like the Romans and Alexander the Great.
And Alexander didn't turn around and kill the Macedonians.
He went out and killed to conquer.
The Roman, great Roman generals, the greatest one being Caesar, didn't kill the Italians.
He killed a few, but he figured out, if I wiped them out, I'm not going to have much of an army.
The Chinese have killed conservatively 70 to 80 million of their people, probably well over 100 million.
Any doubt, any problem, they kill you.
They have no regard for human life.
They are atheistic communists that disregard the sanctity of life, as you can see with the new mayor of New York, who's letting people die on the streets by not following a policy that every mayor before me and after me follow, including some of the dopiest you've ever met.
I mean, really almost as profoundly dopey as AOC, but at least they had some kind of humanity to them.
But communism takes away your humanity.
Michael's Take on Communism00:00:56
I concluded that I could have read the column by Michael Goodwin today.
If you want to go get it in the New York Post, and it's probably reproduced other places.
Michael's a good friend of mine.
I'm going to call him and he's coming up with some pretty good explanations for why Amandani is so inhumane.
But I just wanted to call him and say, hey, Michael, you know, it's a really simple explanation.
He's just really a bad guy.
He's a shallow, bad guy.
Well, with that thought, we're going to go over to X and we're going to tell you about a few more shallow, bad guys and some really great guys.
And we're going to tell you the things you need to know for the weekend.
And you come over with us.
And X, 8 o'clock.
Let's see if we can see if we can break our record from last week of 5 million people.