The Rudy Giuliani Show: Thursday, February 12, 2026
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Thank God.
No more stopping your car.
And it goes.
First time that happened to me when it went off automatically, I took the car into the gas station.
I'm at a light, and the car goes, boop.
Now, I was, I think at the time I was mayor, and it was a police-driven car, but they didn't know either.
So what the hell happened to the car or the van.
And then all of a sudden, it starts up again, and then it stops again.
I said, we're going to get this check quick.
We had some important trip we had to take.
It was a long car.
Remember, we're driving up to Albany or something.
When we stop, the guy looks, he says, is that Mayor Giuliani?
I said, yeah.
He said, you don't know what that is?
I said, no, what is that?
He says, that's automatic.
I said, they said, it's supposed to save gas or something.
And then the guy said to me, as many people said, it actually waste more gas because you use a maximum amount of gas every time you start because you have to, I mean, in fact, some people make the mistake of flooding with gasoline.
You know, they'll step on the, they'll use the ignition to power it up and more gas will go in.
But it's like putting lights on and off.
Gone.
We don't have to worry about that anymore.
Thank goodness.
And I was trying to figure out how the heck I'm going to plug my car in on the road.
Then it adds a half hour to your trip every 150 miles or something.
What's that?
If you have to use an electric car.
I mean, I don't.
Oh, yeah.
Electric cars.
I used to drive electric cars when I was 12 years old, Coney Island, the bumper cars.
And the golf carts.
Sorry.
It's not like a real automobile.
You have to have gasoline for a real automobile, right?
Right.
Well, we're going back to that.
And man, I got to tell you, on the windmills, I'm with the president 100% long before he ever started in on the windmills.
I was driving to Palm Springs to give a speech from Los Angeles.
And I see this thing on the desk.
There's like desert there.
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It's all dead.
You drive a long, long stretch of desert from Los Angeles to Palm Springs.
And I don't think I had ever done it before.
And I'm driving along.
And the desert's kind of interesting.
I mean, it's a little boring, but it's kind of interesting.
Kind of relaxing you.
I don't think I was driving.
I think I was being driven, but I'm looking.
And then I see these big things coming out.
What the hell are those prehistoric animals?
And first thing I thought about was the birds.
What's this going to do to the poor birds?
They're going to get chopped up.
And how, I mean, and how ridiculous is this?
You get electricity when it's windy, but what do you do when there's no wind?
I don't know.
You have a blackout.
That's what you do.
Well, today we had the biggest deregulation in history.
And he's quite right.
By really, by really undoing, oh, not by far not the most damaging thing our first communist president did, but it's really the people that died because of his total incompetence or ideology or whatever.
Not as many as Biden, I will say, but a fair number of people died because the people in 2008 made the wrong choice for president.
And then again in 2012, a lot of people would be alive today had they not made that incorrect choice of a completely incompetent president who wasn't qualified for the job and still isn't.
He's a silly, a silly ideologue.
And I can't even figure out his ideology.
I mean, he was trained to be a communist.
I don't know that he was really quite a communist.
He was sure an ideological, out-of-control colonialist.
Everything, you know, he hated Churchill because Churchill was a colonialist.
Well, whether he was a colonist or not, he saved Western civilization.
But of course, that didn't matter to Obama because he doesn't agree with Western civilization, nor does he like this country, nor does his wife.
And when Romney ran against him and said he went on an apology tour, he sure as hell did.
It's in his nature to apologize for America.
He doesn't like us.
He sure doesn't love us.
I got in trouble once when I said that.
But I, you know, you think I apologize for it?
Hell no.
Because I was right.
I don't think I've ever heard the man say I love America.
Every American president at some point or another says, I love America.
I don't think he can form the words.
But in any event, Trump with a pen signing today did away with the so-called endangerment finding.
So because Biden, I mean, because Obama couldn't get all these crazy things through Congress, he took the power into his hands and he legislated all this by regulation, the cafe standards, the fact that you mandated stop, start, switch.
You have to have electric vehicles.
When the hell was it, 2030 or 2035?
Yeah, 2030.
2030.
I mean, after a few years from now.
And nobody wants it.
People don't want electric vehicles, dummy.
I mean, I know this is, but he doesn't know.
I mean, you can manage it.
The bureaucrats can mandate it.
Bureaucrats know better anyway.
The American people.
How many times did he suggest the American people, you know, except for his few friends that went to Harvard with him based on not merit, but whatever selection process was used, they're the only ones that really should be running anything.
The rest of America are a bunch of stupid, you know, ignorant, backward people.
So we have to mandate that they have electric cars by 2030.
But all that's gone and it's going to save the American people a trillion dollars.
It's going to help our economy to keep booming.
And let's see if we can.
Lee Zeldon was particularly good today.
And the president noted that by saying he was great.
I know Lee for a long time.
He ran against my son in the Republican primary for governor and won.
But my son likes him very, very much.
I mean, it's a really good thing when that happens.
That happened with John McCain and Mike Huckabee.
And we all ran against each other and came out of the election closer than we were before, which is a nice thing.
I don't know if it can happen in America anymore.
Lee is a very, very fine man.
He's doing an excellent job.
And my son worked very hard after he won the primary fair and square and tried to get him elected governor.
He came very close against Hochle Pokemon.
Why don't we play the president and have them explain what they did?
Because this is really something that I don't think most Americans realize how important this is.
They do relate to these pain-in-the-ass things that can be taken away from them, but I don't think they realize how big this is for our economy.
Let's play the clip.
The single largest deregulatory action in American history.
That's a big statement in American history.
And I think we can add the words by far.
Under the process just completed by the EPA, we are officially terminating the so-called endangerment finding, a disastrous Obama-era policy that severely damaged the American auto industry and massively drove up prices for American consumers.
Prices went up incredibly for a worse product.
We need to get over there.
Well, we were, I'm sorry, we got distracted with his purple tie.
And we were trying to, I thought it was strike.
First of all, anytime, unless the tie is silly, anytime a tie gets your attention, it's probably a good, it's probably a smart thing.
Right.
And it got your attention.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know that I like it.
Is that a black suit?
I would have liked maybe a little more of a light gray, a lighter blue suit.
That's like what I'm wearing.
Maybe, no, I like a lighter blue or maybe a gray suit.
But okay, but it still looks great.
In college, I only had a black suit, and I used to get, I'd get made fun of because everyone would say, well, you're going to a funeral?
I thought if you had one suit, black would be the good colour to have.
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You should have looked at the guy and said, yeah, yours.
That's what we would have done at Bishop Lockholm High School in Brooklyn.
Yeah, you look like you're going to a funeral.
Yeah, I am.
I'm going to your funeral.
Come on outside.
You made fun of me.
I had a black suit.
It made sense to me.
Shall we go to Kara first and then we'll go to Lee?
We got Kara live in Washington.
There she is.
Hi, Harry.
Man, you were a star today, Ms. Casdranova.
You were a star.
Yeah, I got lucky today.
If I'm not mistaken, the president called you first.
He did.
He called me first, and I had a question about those wind turbines you were talking about because these were there and because they're an environmental disaster, as you know, they're terrible for the environment, for nature.
Not to mention a national security threat has come out because they'll be in the line of airplanes coming down through JFK.
And the president did acknowledge that, which was great news because I don't know if you know this, but the president did sign an executive order getting rid of these things.
But court in D.C., of course, has overrode that and is allowing that wind turbine farm that we have talked about on Long Island and in Queens to get to start rebuilding again until the next court hearing.
So they're fighting this out in court.
That was in a DC district court.
So I'll be reporting more on that.
But here's what President Trump had to say to my question today regarding wind turbines.
Thank you for this.
I have for this much supported move to roll back to former EPA's endangered finding.
What additional steps do you plan on taking to scale back what many are calling climate industry scams?
Specifically, and Secretary Zelda knows about these wind turbines they're trying to bring to New York.
Judge is allowing them to be rebuilt right near your hometown in Jamaica, Queens.
They're being called a national security threat for air traffic coming into the airport.
What could you do to make sure these things are going to be available?
Well, we're trying to make sure it doesn't happen, and we've basically stopped all windmills in this country.
It's the most expensive energy you can get.
They're all made in China, a little bit in Germany, but mostly in China.
And we're putting them all over our fields and ruining the fields and killing the birds and all of this.
And the environmentalists say they like them, but they really are a tremendous eyesore.
They've ruined.
Europe has gone, as you know, it's gone to it.
Europe isn't even recognizable anymore between immigration and because of environmental things like the windmills, which are taking over.
The people hate them.
The energy is by far the most expensive.
And we're fighting very hard to make sure that they don't get built.
I hope we don't have one built during my administration.
We inherited some contracts where they've gone down the line a little bit.
We're trying to terminate them for a lot of different reasons.
One of the reasons, as you had mentioned, it's endangerment for the military.
It's also endangerment for airliners.
So we're trying to take care of those situations.
They should have never been allowed in the first place.
You got him just on exactly the minute.
I don't know if you noticed it, but when you asked that question, as soon as he realized you were asking about windmills, Lee Zeldon broke out in a smile because he knew the president would love it.
Right.
He knew the president would love it.
And as you know, Lee Zeldin's from Long Island, so I'm sure he's aware of these turbines over 800 feet tall.
And just quick fun fact for your audience, they can reflect radar signals.
Rotating blades can create clutter or ghost signals on certain radar systems.
And this is literally what they're trying to put outside of JFK, our hometown.
This is literally an international airport.
So it is a national and international security threat.
And it's amazing that this District of Columbia court, appeals court, is allowing these turbines to continue to be built.
So we have to keep up making the public aware of how bad these things are for national security and for the environment, Mr. Mayor.
So I was glad to get to ask that question today, especially with Lee Zeldin in the room, because he's an ally, obviously, with all of this being from Long Island and also with the EPA.
So that was great.
And in other news, obviously, everybody is talking about the SAVE Act.
I know that you feel strongly about voter ID and proof of citizenship to vote, like most Americans do.
As you know, polling says that even Democrat, the majority of Democrat voters believe that it's not fair to not ask for an ID.
They believe in asking for voter ID.
They believe in proof of citizenship to vote.
Yet Democrat lawmakers continue to vote the opposite way and say that you shouldn't need an ID to vote.
So it's amazing that only one Democrat in the House actually voted to have voter ID.
And now it goes to the Senate, as you know, and this is something that is near and dear to the president's heart.
So I did ask him about the pathway to getting the SAVE Act passed, and this is what he had to say.
Voter ID polls very well nationally.
Even the majority of Democrat voters want it.
So why do you think Senate Democrats are resisting the SAVE Act?
And what is your strategy and realistic pathway to getting the SAVE Act passed to ensure free and fair elections for the next generation?
It's such a great question.
I appreciate it, actually, because it's called the Save America Act.
We've changed the name.
It's the SAVE America Act, and the Democrats are against it.
I heard one of them say, we will stop the Save America Act.
No, we're trying to save America.
And it has to do with largely voting.
And basically, it's got three very simple points.
It's got voter ID, photo ID, but voter ID with a photo, right?
It's got the confirmation of U.S. citizenship.
You have to be a citizen.
So you have a vote.
You have an ID.
That's about a 99% one.
And I think 90% with Democrats.
Then you have confirmation U.S. citizenship.
That's about a 99% one with Republicans, about 86% with Democrats, except Democrat politicians because they cheat on elections.
And then you have no mail-in ballots.
And there would be no mail-in ballots.
Very important.
You know, we're the only country in the world that does a system like we do.
We're the only country in the world that has mail-in ballots.
The way we do this is unbelievable.
It guarantees cheating.
So it's no mail-in ballots with the exception of disability, illness, military, or if you're traveling, you can get an exemption.
You know, if you happen to be out of the country for a good reason, you can have an exemption.
So with exceptions, it's no mail-in ballots.
And that will assure the security of our crooked elections.
We have crooked elections.
Yep.
Good answer from the president.
And as you know, Elon Musk has really been rallying on acts to get people to call their senators and tell them that this is what the American people want.
They want to have safe and secure and fair elections.
And it's not racist to ask for ID, which is ridiculous and offensive to minorities.
That that narrative keeps getting literally repeated and repeated by these lawmakers that somehow it's racist to ask for ID because they say black people, I guess, aren't smart enough.
And Hispanic people aren't smart enough to go out and get an ID and a passport, which is just insane.
So hopefully the save act is passed.
And in the very least, at least we'll expose those lawmakers in the Senate.
Sadly, maybe some Republicans who don't believe in voter ID required to actually vote in elections in the United States, Mr. Mayor.
Well, you know from experience how important that is.
And thank you for asking both of those questions.
I mean, the president got a chance to make points that they try to hide.
The legacy media tries to hide all of this.
But it's, I don't know.
I actually don't understand how the Democrats get away with voting against their constituency.
For example, just about the same number of blacks and Hispanics, 70, 80% of Blacks and Hispanic, 85%, support voter ID, citizenship confirmation.
They support it.
So how can you tell me it's racist when black people don't feel it's racist?
And you remember the video that was done a few years ago?
We played it the other night where the guy went up to Harlem.
They almost threw him out.
What do you think was stupid?
Get out of here.
Of course we have ID.
Don't you know we need ID for welfare, you jackass?
Right.
The place is right down the street.
Where can you get it?
Well, the DMV right there.
Some lady put her ID out.
She have to show it every day.
Of course I have it.
What do you think?
I live in Mars?
I mean, it's really ridiculous for them to tell us that it's racist when black people don't feel that way.
No, it's obviously a gaslight.
As you know, the only thing that we get Republicans think about illogically is that maybe that they do want to do something nefarious with elections, like the president has said many times.
You know, their intention is to possibly cheat so that they could get back in.
So it's unfortunate that people don't see through at their own party.
But the sad part is a lot of Democrats that I talk to believe that cheating is justifiable, that the end justifies the means.
I've actually heard Democrat friends say this, that the 2020 election, they were glad that it was stolen.
They admit that it was stolen.
And they say that they had to find a way to get out Trump.
So it's very sad, but they do believe they have such bad Trump derangement syndrome.
And they're completely so far to the left that they actually believe that cheating is justifiable as long as they get the candidate in that they want.
So this has been acknowledged by a lot of people, unfortunately, the way that they think.
Very interesting.
That's a very good point.
Thank you very much, Kara.
Great job.
Even the president said it was a great question.
Kara's absolutely right.
The Democrats, I mean, many of them, not all, believe that anything goes, it's justifiable.
And I'm going to tell you where that comes from.
It's real simple if you've studied communism.
It comes right out of Karl Marx.
Anything is justified to further your ideology.
You can lie, you can cheat, you can murder as Stalin did, as Mao Tzi Tung did, as Xi Jinming does, as Putin does.
Human life doesn't mean anything in comparison to the triumph of communist ideology.
They're not Christians, they're not Jews, they don't believe in God and they don't believe in the sanctity of human life.
Human life is just exists for the purpose of the party.
If they have to kill you, they'll kill you.
And think about it.
Democrats support things to kill people.
The people are irrelevant.
Here, they don't care that 80% of their people want voter identification because, as Marxists, they're the bureaucrats who know better.
They rule you.
They don't represent you.
There's a big difference.
Second thing they keep raising is this citizenship thing.
Well, that goes on in most states right now.
To register to vote, you got to show your birth certificate or something that proves your age.
First of all, you got to show you're 18 years old.
When you do that, you produce a birth certificate.
And the birth certificate is going to show you were born in the United States.
If it shows you were born somewhere else, you've got to show some kind of proof you're a citizen.
Once that's done, and there's a valid ID, you don't have to do it again.
You don't have to carry it around with you all the time.
That's a ridiculous thing, isn't it?
They've been subjected probably in most of the states to that requirement most of their lives.
Democrats have avoided it by cheating.
And of course, they want to cheat.
They've been doing it for 170 years.
It would be inconsistent with their party not to have an availability of cheating.
And this would take away a big part of it.
When the report was done after the 2000 contested election by Jimmy Carter and Jim Baker, they were very, very definitive that the biggest form of cheating, which has led Europe to change almost universally, as the president said, and not use paper ballots at all is because every time that you go to a paper ballot system, it leads to tremendous amount of cheating.
Well, I mean, the Democrats were delighted they could do that with use COVID as an excuse.
So in 2020, there were four to five times more paper ballots than ever before, which made the ability to cheat much greater.
And they did.
And that's why they don't produce the paper ballots.
The last thing in the world they want is voting in which you certify that every president is entitled to vote, because the only way they're going to win is by what do you think they let all those people in here for?
Why would they break down the borders and let 20 million illegal people and we don't know who the hell they are?
One congresswoman, a dummy, you know, said, oh, well, you know, I don't like illegal aliens coming in.
But if I don't let them in in my district, we could lose in redistricting.
We could lose, I could lose my seat.
She's not even thinking about voting.
She's thinking about counting them in the census.
You know, she's got to have another 100,000, so they'll go get them in Somalia or something.
Right.
Meanwhile, they turn out to be, as we're going to find out from that consistent dummy, Katie Couric, that 14% of the illegals being dangerous criminals is not a very high percentage.
I don't know where that moron comes up with that.
14% of the 400,000 she was referring to is over 50,000 people.
We have that.
Let's play that clip.
We do have that.
I mean, she's always, she's been a moron since I used to go on that show, and she was so-called America's sweetheart.
The first time I heard it, I vomited.
So if this is America's sweetheart, you better close your eyes.
Take a look at her.
She looks like somebody punched her in the jaw.
Right.
So we have that 6.3.
So this is Rand Paul with Katie Corrick.
What about the 14%?
Such a low percentage of 400,000 people.
If your daughter gets raped by the guy that gets back out and he's one of the 14%, I don't think you're going to quibble about whether it's 14 or 64.
What I'm saying is if you're not going to turn over people who are not guilty.
If you're not going to turn over anybody, then that's 0%.
I don't think the percentage, it makes a halfway argument to how much effort we have.
But if Minnesota is not going to turn over anybody, the whole argument, whether it's 14 or 86, doesn't mean anything.
Well, you think she's on some side here?
You think she's ideologically biased?
I can't imagine anybody saying that 14% of a group being violent criminals is not a big percentage.
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I mean, 5% would be a big percentage.
And remember, these are people we don't have to have here.
The whole argument, even when they, some of them say, well, the illegal aliens commit less crimes than the Americans that are here, which used to be true.
It's no longer true.
Used to be true.
No longer true.
But in any event, even if it were true, we're stuck with the people that are here.
And if they end up being criminals, we got to deal with it.
Not much we do.
We got to get them.
We got to put them in prison.
In most cases, you can't take away their citizenship because they committed a crime.
Certain crimes like treason or whatever, you could.
But in most cases, you can't.
So this is like extra added problem that we don't need.
And even when they used to commit less crimes than Americans that are here, it still was a large number that burdens police departments who have to spend it on the people that are here.
So to have them come in and add to the burdens of keeping people safe make people less safe.
That's called logic, which they are not prepared for, because logic also serves the interest of Marxism.
You bend it to fit not what's true, not what's correct, not what's most logical or makes common sense.
You do it to fit the ends that you want to reach as the party that wants to be the one party in power.
So the endangerment finding, which is what it was called, that has resulted in enormous, enormous damage to the United States and our economy and our industry and our job is now gone.
And among other things that we're going to start to feel, as we are starting to feel it in our economy, is the benefit of that.
The Guthrie investigation has yielded another video, which, I mean, obviously, very helpful, but sort of at least initially adds to the confusion because it's difficult to tell whether this is the same person.
So, this is the same person as the person a few minutes later, maybe who shows up at the Guthrie house.
But, Mayor, you see this video and somebody recognizes this person, correct?
I mean, this is the most comprehensive view we have of the person's side profile.
Well, you know, what do you think?
I would say, as you have to say about all of this, and it should be prefaced, since we don't know what we don't know, we don't know.
I'll give you a logical answer.
Yes, it's likely that somebody would know him, assuming he comes from this area or he comes from the United States.
I'm assuming that's correct.
Now, if I'm correct, this was at one, I think it was like 142, and the entry or the first notation of time at the house is about eight minutes later.
And it takes about 15 minutes to get from there to the house.
Now, it is possible that these time could be off.
These cameras are notoriously incorrect or faulty with regard to time.
Well, Mayor, when's the new footage from?
Do we have a time stamp?
The new footage is at the beginning.
Let me, I put it down right here.
So, Jason, if we can roll back and play that, the new footage from today, that right there, that side profile, if we can pause it, if we can rewind and pause it on the gentleman's face, if we can rewind that right here and pause or keep it rolling a little bit until he turns his head a little bit, right?
That side profile right there, right there, right?
That's a unique nose.
That's a unique nose, Mayor.
Looks like he's balding, distinct eyebrows.
But somebody knows who this is.
I have a feeling.
What do you think?
Yeah, I would think so.
I mean, but again, Ted, you know, there's a very good chance, you have to say it this way: there's a very good chance someone will.
Right there.
Yeah, there's a very good chance someone will.
That's a better picture than what you have at the Guthrie residence.
And the time difference, I think, is a little fudgy here.
This footage is, this is the initial.
This is marked as 1:52 a.m. on February 1st.
Okay.
The first footage at the residence, I think, is 1.58.
Okay.
So impossible if those are correct.
So this is earlier.
This is earlier.
There is a feeling, and I don't know if they've been able to that 152 may be wrong.
And I remember 158 as being 212 at the residence.
So either.
We're going to have to go back and check.
We're going to have to go back and check the it's either off or the time it could be off by hours if, for example, it's in the wrong time zone or it's being lit.
Right.
I've had Zoom cameras in the East Coast for some reason I'm recording on Pacific time.
Depends on how good a camera it is.
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Well, we have determined with our massive research capabilities that it is very easy to go, if you just do the arithmetic, as our friends just did, right?
It's very easy to go on math whizzes.
It is very easy to go six miles, to go a mile and a half in six minutes.
It would be well within the capacity of most drivers if they were going how many miles an hour?
15 miles an hour.
And remember, we're going to take a look on Google at what the streets look like in between.
But assuming that, you know, they're normal streets.
Remember, it's 152 in the morning.
You're not going to run into traffic.
Backpack And Kidnapping00:14:38
I don't know if you're going to have red lights, but I would imagine if you're willing to kidnap or kill somebody, you're willing to go through a red light.
Right?
So it's not impossible.
But the real question is when you look at the guy in the first video, the 152 video, and then you look at the guy in the 158 or 2 a.m. video, which is at the Guthrie residence, it's tantalizingly close, but not 100%.
I don't know how you can do 100% identification unless you start getting into using analysis of the size of the head, the size of the shoulders.
Just from obvious.
Now, I don't know if it could be the fact that this is black and white or whatever, but the other backpack looked more less dark, less black, and it looked bigger.
The other backpack.
This guy, now he hadn't put his mask on yet.
Okay, you could say that.
And he hadn't put his gloves on yet.
So that's fine.
But let's look at that jacket.
Now, that looks gray, that backpack, correct?
That's not a black backpack.
And it is about a third bigger, full, fuller, heavier.
They actually determined that it was, they did some analysis of it and determined a sort of estimate of how heavy it was.
And they determined it was pretty heavy.
So the guy had to be a fairly strong guy.
Look at that.
That's a much smaller backpack.
It's not.
He has another backpack.
I just see one on his back there.
Yeah, there's one.
Look at what he's drawing something over the fence.
Jason's pointing that out.
That's a good point.
That's what you're saying.
That could be the backpack.
Well, that could be the backpack that he eventually puts on.
It's a second backpack.
If you look at that, it's not nearly as full as it is when it's on his back, but he easily could have put things in it very quickly.
And again, where is this film?
It's a mile and a half away.
We've got to get the exact address so we can plot it.
And I have to read what they've done already.
And we got to read about what's going on in this video.
Where is he going?
Is this a different break-in?
Did they explain what this video is capturing beyond what we obviously see?
What is he doing?
What is the context of this video?
And that's what I'm looking into right now.
And we'll continue to cover this.
It's very interesting.
But we also don't know how long they've had this.
This morning.
Right, right.
We don't know how long they've had this.
They put it out today.
TMZ put it out.
Oh, geez.
And I, well, TMZ remember may have actually obtained it.
I don't know.
Is an actual kidnapper who's interested in getting the money and returning this woman alive, are they going to go to TMZ, Mayor?
No, it doesn't.
I mean, look, everything here is, it seems it's possible.
It looks like because we really don't know.
And usually crimes fit common sense patterns, but sometimes they don't.
So let's, and when I listen to this on television and the analysis of the experts, some are good at pointing it out to people and some are not.
They make it appear as if they can know things that they don't know.
So we have no idea.
Strange things could have happened different than what you think.
But the reality is this doesn't look like a kidnapping.
This doesn't, if that's the same guy, right?
The guy went there, prepared, came to the residence, and now he's going.
This doesn't look like a kid.
First of all, one guy would never, I mean, kidnapping is rarely done by one person.
Kidnapping usually is done by a group of people.
It's very, it's very, very strange.
He spent, what, 20 or 30 minutes inside the house.
And if you right.
And that's very amateur to be putting leaves over the Zoom camera.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's extremely not to mention, it's probably a lot more difficult to keep an 84-year-old woman with multiple medical issues alive, right?
If your intent is to make money and give this woman back.
Maybe he was there for another purpose and he ran into it.
Maybe he was there for purposes of burglary.
I mean, the house is a beautiful house.
The house is a beautiful house.
It presumably has a lot of very valuable things inside if he's a professional or somewhat professional burglar.
This looks more like a guy who's doing a break-in.
Yeah.
A guy who's coming there to take a human being out.
Right.
And unless you go back to the possibility of the family, which I think they can discount by looking at the guy, that guy doesn't look any other son-in-law that they were at least.
The one thing that I did think of when I saw this is him having a, you know, is it nylon is what women's.
Is that true that they used to use that to disguise the face?
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
If we roll that back, Jason, that's the one thing I want to say.
No, the original, the new video.
It appears that this person could see, is he adjusting the nylon over his face?
Go back.
He could be.
Right.
And that's.
But you can still see the outline of the face.
Go back.
See, watch his face.
See, look what is he doing there?
He's right there.
Yeah, he's doing something with his face.
It looks like he, or maybe he's scratching himself.
Maybe he's scratching.
Like the other night when they followed the guy down to Rio Rico and they picked him up in Rio Rico.
They said, it looks like he's going to the border.
And I just sarcastically said, because I keep commenting every time they make these definitive statements, which they can't possibly know.
Maybe he was going home.
And he was going home.
He wasn't going home.
Happened to be south of Tucson.
Well, we are laughing about that, but we aren't.
This is no laughing matter.
We certainly, we certainly hope.
And you know, the thing that's really terrible and really tragic, and you keep forgetting when you go through this, because it's very interesting.
It's very interesting to see all the strategy.
And this is a long time.
This is a long time that she's been gone.
And a lot of the work they're doing now, like some of the searches and it perplexes me as to why it wasn't done in a period of time when there was a greater likelihood of saving her life.
If it is a kidnap.
Right.
It's also very odd that there's not much sign of a great violence in the house, except for that little blood at the at the which is concerning, right?
Any blood in this situation, you have an 84-year-old woman, an obvious individual intruder.
If it was some kind of a murder because a burglary was interrupted, you'd expect there would be some disruption in the house.
I mean, again, there are endless possibilities as to what it could be.
And I would imagine they have a little bit more or considerably more information than they're putting out.
They're putting out what they think is tactically valuable.
And I think this, they put this out for the reason that this could lead to better identifications.
This is a much better image of the human being than the other one, which isn't bad, but here you can at least see the outline of a face, even though it's covered.
You get a sense of his nose, the shape of his face, probably distorted somewhat by the nylon over it, but still enough so that I would think if you knew the man, you could identify him.
Right, that's what I'm saying.
Someone out there sees this video and recognizes this person.
That was also true with the earlier video.
Just given his gait and the way he was walking and the way he was carrying himself, if somebody knew that, there you'd have to know him pretty well.
Yes.
You'd have to know this guy.
We're looking at it right here.
You have to know him pretty well.
Right.
I mean, it's awfully close.
The outfit is awfully close and they're only six to eight minutes apart.
Right.
So it'd be very valuable to catch the first guy.
Chances are you're going to have the first guy and the second guy are the same guys.
So I do think Savannah and the family have, well, we know that they have private investigators working on this case as well.
And I know that can be good or bad.
It depends on how professional, how good the private investigators are.
The FBI, of course, would always prefer that you not do that.
Oh, okay.
When I was, I mean, having worked with the FBI for a good deal of my life, I would just, if I were in charge of this as a U.S. attorney, says an U.S. attorney or U.S. attorney, I would discourage the family to use private investigators.
First of all, I know there's been a lot of criticism of the FBI and whatever.
I'll tell you, I'm going to tell you, as the mayor of New York, if there were a kidnapping in New York, even though I had a police department that was the greatest in the world, and in some ways, more experienced than the FBI, it's three times the size of the FBI.
Its forensic abilities are equal or better.
And its knowledge in New York, of course, is way superior to the FBI.
But if it was a kidnapping, I wouldn't do it without the FBI because no local police department, even the biggest one in America, has as much experience with kidnappings.
I mean, how much experience do you think this police department has had with kidnappings?
How many kidnappings do you think they've had in Tucson in the last 10 years?
Maybe more than your average county because of its location along the Mexican border, but not many.
But not many.
Not this kind of kidnapping.
Maybe you'd have a gang kidnapping or a.
But of course, you're right.
But I think they haven't had one.
The last one they had was a year, a year and a half ago.
Right.
And they don't have.
The FBI does it all the time.
I mean, this is why they were created, actually, after the Lindbergh kidnapping.
I mean, one of the reasons they were made into an independent agency within the Justice Department rather than just a division of it is because of kidnapping.
Ah, wow.
So they, and this is what they really, they spend a great deal of time training.
They're probably, they do it.
They're called in all over the world to do it.
Right.
So I wouldn't attempt this without them from the first moment.
And I'd also be very sensitive to the fact it has to be as early as possible because what you lose in the first hour to hour and a half, you can't recover.
And having really violated the crime scene, meaning letting people walk over it and whatever, you don't know.
You'll never know what you lost.
Right.
You'll never know what they stepped on, what they pushed aside without realizing it by basically violating the integrity of the crime scene, which any good police department or investigative agency will go crazy over.
They'll basically grab you and you go near it, they'll grab you and I used to go to crime scenes all the time as the mayor and they'd tell me, be careful, mayor, be careful.
Oh, they guard those things like.
Oh, my goodness.
Yeah, of course, I would respect that.
And so, well, we certainly hope for the safe, the safe return of Nancy every day that passes by, of course, is just not.
Yeah, and the request is a request for the people within one and a half mile to turn over all their video.
Now, two weeks later?
It does seem, as many people observed already, about this.
It's absolutely a good idea, but it seems very late in the process to be asking for that.
That could have been asked for eight days ago.
And second, if you're asking for all the video of people in the area at this point, and you're not targeting it, it means you don't have much.
You don't even have a good hypothesis of how the person escaped from the scene.
Otherwise, you'd be talking just to the you wouldn't be talking about the entire mile and a half.
That's going to be a lot of work to go through all that.
It could take a lot of time to do that.
And here, time is against you because if I recall correctly, at the beginning of this, the family said that she needed medicines that were life-threatening within 24 hours if she didn't get them.
And that's a long time ago.
Now, let's assume that that isn't absolutely accurate.
I hope.
Still, time is against you.
You still should be operating until, God forbid, you find out definitively, you should be operating on the premise that she's still alive.
And we pray to God that that's true.
Right.
So.
Stay with us.
We'll catch up next hour.
Yeah, we'll get more information and we'll give you more on X starting at 8.
The whole situation in Iran got somewhat confusing yesterday, but think of it this way.
You want it to be confusing.
It's like some of the press is upset that they don't have all the information that the FBI and the police department have.
I'm very glad they don't.
Because the press should have only the information that will help law enforcement, which is if there were other videos that aren't going to show you anything except things that would help them solve the crime or be used when they eventually catch the person to be sure they have the right person.
I'd rather have law enforcement keep it.
We don't, this is not a political thing.
We don't need to know it.
We only need to know it if we can help.
Negotiating Risk in Regime Change00:06:32
And the same thing is true with regard to Iran.
So yesterday, Bibi and the president met.
It looks like they came out on a slightly different position.
Now, somebody commenting for Iran in one of the British newspapers that I read today made the most intelligent observation.
And that is, I hope they're not doing to us what they did to us last time.
The last time they bombed us, We've been negotiating, and he and Netanyahu had a disagreement about whether we should be negotiating or not.
Well, yesterday they kind of had a bit of a disagreement on whether we should be negotiating or not.
Bibi came there with, I'm sure, even though it wasn't expressed directly that way, he came there with the objective, really, of delivering the message that this regime can't be trusted.
So, what's the point of doing diplomacy with them?
Even if you've reached an agreement and you sign it, they're not going to follow it, and they're not going to, it's not worth the paper that it's written on it just to buy time in order to destroy us.
So, the Iranian official surmised that maybe they're playing us again.
So, that's why confusion should be tolerated here.
You don't want the enemy to know what you're going to do.
I would think that we're not bringing the second aircraft carrier group there to get more sun in the Indian Ocean or the Mediterranean than they get wherever they are, probably in Asia.
And it is correct that we've reduced somewhat our surveillance of the Chinese.
And their moving against Taiwan, we assume is premature, but we don't know.
So, we're taking something of a risk by doing this.
So, I truly believe there's a purpose to it.
And the last thing in the world that President Trump wants to do is telegraph what he's going to do.
So, he's going to keep them confused.
And I can't imagine, I can't believe some of the press is criticizing him for leaving it confusing.
They should be saying that's what an intelligent decision maker in a situation like this does, because he doesn't exist for their benefit.
He exists for the benefit of protecting us, not for satisfying the needs of the press to be able to report everything.
So, the second carrier, I don't know if it's actually, it's been authorized, whether they actually are moving toward the region or not.
I don't know.
That hasn't been announced yet or determined yet, but it has been authorized.
And it's quite clear.
I think the Defense War Department, the War Department has pretty much made it clear that they're there for defensive purposes, which is obvious.
I mean, we're in terms of being able to accomplish the mission of hitting the targets in Iran.
We got three times more than we probably need.
But you never have, you're never satisfied with what you have for defense because you know that no matter how much you have, you might not be able to intercept everything.
And lives are at stake, American and others.
So, we'll have to keep watching that because if it is correct that there's a certain amount of confusion created on purpose, if it is going to happen, it can happen anytime.
And, Mayor, what is the significance of the Munich Security Conference, which is kicking off tomorrow, of course, in Munich, Germany?
And the son of the Shah, Mr. Pahlavi, has been invited.
We have people there as well, so we expect to get a report.
I mean, that's really a significant to involve him in this.
But how does that?
Because I understand that in Iran, this is not very popular.
And all you're going to do is discourage, well, you'll get a certain number that say, you know, they're for the Shah.
You'll get a certain number that are against the Shah.
But truly, deep down, you're not going to inspire the kind of loyalty and morale that you want, trying to replace one dictator with another.
And the idea that he's not going to be just doesn't, they're not going to take that risk.
I mean, his father killed a lot of them, many of them.
His father stole enough money so that one of the reasons they're starving, of course, is the regime, but it's also how much the Pahavi family pulled out of that country.
People of Iran are not stupid and they have long memories.
And why go through all this, put your life at risk to go have a king?
Who the hell wants a king in the 21st century?
It's quite something.
They're not fighting.
Oh, let's have a king.
They're fighting for freedom.
And he can say all that he wants about he's not, he's not, he's not.
And maybe he isn't, but it's too much of a risk with the with the treachery of the Pahavi family.
The Ivan prison, where they're all being taken, was built by his father and his family.
A lot of people died in there before the Ayatollah took over.
That's the reason Ayatollah was able to take over because his father and the family were terribly brutal and terribly corrupt.
Well, on that note, we'll move over to X and we'll continue discussing that.
And then we have many, many more things to things to cover, including we'll do a better comparison of the two and analysis.