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As we often do, we spend some time thinking about our best place to put meet.
And here we are in the middle of Caracas, Venezuela.
Ah, yes, ah, yes, the place that had a very interesting Friday night and Saturday morning, Friday, right?
Ted, it was now that the planes took off on Friday night.
They didn't arrive there until Saturday.
And there's a one-hour difference between us and Venezuela, because if you look at the geography, Venezuela, Venezuela is closer to Europe.
I mean, it swings out.
Hard to realize.
You know, you kind of think, well, maybe it's only me.
I kind of thought we were the closest to Europe, and you go south, you're further away, but actually, you're a little closer.
But in any event, what a weekend.
I would say when I left you, ladies and gentlemen, on Friday night, Ted and I were all concerned about making sure we got together in case over the weekend there'd be developments in Iran because of the protests, by the way, which are still going on.
And who knows?
That could happen any moment.
And even after the show, we were getting both communications and calls about people adding fuel to the fire, really, that something would happen.
And we went to bed.
And I had a podcast on.
I don't mind telling you, I had a podcast on it because they helped me sleep of dog being rescued.
And I had this one, there was a second one.
It seemed like it repeated itself.
And all of a sudden, I just went out with my glasses on.
And sometime later, I'm going to say around two or three in the morning, I hear as if it's a dream, Maduro has been captured.
And I'm thinking, gosh, what kind of dream?
What am I dreaming about that guy for?
And I say to myself, ooh, wait a second.
I go back to my iPad and they're talking about how they've gotten a report that Maduro has been captured.
No details yet.
And I just stayed up all night just monitoring this thing.
And then we came on with a special Ted.
I called Ted and we agreed that Ted would go over to the go over to Mar-a-Laco.
He called and got permission.
And of course, they love him.
They said, yeah, sure, you can be part of the press conference.
And Ted was.
He asked a very, very, very good.
He asked a very, very good question, which is, what can the people of Venezuela expect?
I mean, here they are.
I mean, that's, I really commend Ted in asking that question.
That's, Ted is a, Ted, Ted is a man of many, many talents and trades, but he's not full-time journalist.
None of the full-time journalists ask this question.
All they're ever doing is looking for gotcha questions.
They're not asking.
They are never looking for informative questions.
You know, like when you cover a hurricane, what should the people, Mr. Mayor, what should the people do?
Or even if we were finished with it, there'd always be some sensible reporter who would say, well, what's your message now to the people who are facing this terrible tragedy?
And you appreciate that because maybe you're going to forget to do that.
Yet, as a leader, you should do it.
Well, the president gave a great message.
But so I saw the president twice this weekend, and both times I went out of my way to tell him, not in any way to just, you know, be ingratiate myself.
I don't have to.
I've known him for 40 years.
And he knows there are times I agree, mostly because we agree with each other a lot.
And when I disagree, I disagree.
I tell him.
Having been his lawyer, I mean, it's natural to have that happen.
But I said to Mr. President, I'm sure everybody's telling you this, and you maybe think they're exaggerating.
And sometimes they do when they suck up to a president or a mayor or whatever.
They're not today.
What you did and what our troops did and what Pete did and what Marco did and all of the, and Raisin Kane.
And you got us back.
We're back to the strongest military power in the world.
The most intelligent, the most flexible.
There ain't never been anything like us, babes.
And I'm going to tell you, Democrats, go complain all you want.
You're a bunch of jackasses.
The country would never be like this under you.
And you know why?
Really?
It's a terrible thing that's happened to you.
I don't think it would ever have been as good under you as it is under us, because there's something fundamentally lacking in your work ethic.
There's something fundamentally lacking in a much higher percentage than Republicans in your honor.
Not that we don't have dishonorable people and you don't have very honorable people.
I just said the percentage.
And your philosophy always has led you to amorality and immorality, starting with your strong and stubborn and eventually homicidal support of slavery, right up to what you have now exposed in a way where maybe Joseph McCarthy should be apologized to.
I mean, he did go too far, but maybe the overriding message should have been what we paid more attention to, that you guys are under the control of the Communist Party.
I do not think that 20 or 30 years ago, if we captured a communist dictator who is clearly responsible for the death of Americans, who's trying to get Cuba to come in here and get real close to us so that they can have a tremendous advantage over us and take us over, ditto Russia, who's been working with Iran as much as they can so Iran can kill innocent people, on and on and on and on, then that just doesn't even get into what he's been indicted for,
which is being a material part of the very intricate and interrelated South American drug trade and making billions on that.
And being involved, although not as emphasized as much in the indictment, but it could be in the case that's tried against him, being a major player in human trafficking, including the degradation and perversion of young girls.
This is a very, very evil man.
Communists are evil people.
And here he is.
You must also realize when you watch him now, you get to know him better.
And I've known him for a long time.
I don't even know him personally.
I've known him as a subject for a long, long time.
He's been on the board for a long time.
And particularly when he was foreign minister and then had that little short period of time as interim vice president and almost fortuitously walked into the presidency.
There was always a concern that he was a lightweight and that he would not be able to have the intellectuals capacity of a Chavez and keep this thing together because Chavez was kind of falling apart toward the end of Chavez too.
It had many parts to it.
So let's, before we do anything else, let's put that in proper historical context, which, of course, I always like to do for you.
Ted, would you, while I'm doing this, you find a nice map, a couple of maps that show them, that show them sort of where Venezuela is.
You'll be surprised about two things.
I think you'll be surprised about how close it is to us.
I think you'll also be surprised about how east it is, meaning how much closer you are in the Atlantic to Europe and Africa.
Closer, an hour.
But still, it surprised me when I first went down there.
And it is right on the border with, well, you know, a lot of people don't know this.
And I think if it weren't for the nuns who used to teach geography, like it was a very important subject.
And I think it is.
And as you know, I don't think I can tell you a story about international affairs without bringing it a map.
Our continent, which is theoretically two continents, or you could call it one, couldn't you?
We're connected, aren't we?
North America, South America, right?
Here's a good question, Ted, that I think I remember people getting wrong on a quiz show.
Is Latin America part of North America or South America?
Well, I grew up, did you say, is Latin America part of North America?
Well, there's two continents, right?
North America, South America.
Arguably, I don't know why there are two continents.
They're connected, but we call them two continents.
Well, I guess Asia and Europe are connected.
So they do that with the Urals.
And they made that in the two continents.
But okay.
I grew up, it was considered Central America.
Okay, I'm sorry.
Okay, good.
That's even better.
It's Central America.
I think you have the right, a better phrase to describe the countries I'm talking about.
I'm talking about Mexico, Guatemala, you know, down to down to Mexico, North America.
Okay, what about Salta, Mexico is the demarcation line where you enter Central America.
So, and that becomes South America.
And then, a different continent.
Yes, yes.
Go see Sister Isabella.
Detention.
The reality is all of that is part of North America.
And it isn't until you get into the actual continent of South America, that whole connection is claimed for North America.
And I will tell you, I've often been confused by that.
And you better check it.
I may be wrong now, too, but I think that's the case.
I think you go like Guatemala and Honduras.
And I always thought they were part of South America.
But it pretty much starts down there with Venezuela and Colombia.
Now, Panama is an interesting one because Panama used to be part of Colombia, which is almost part of Venezuela.
I mean, the two countries are connected to each other.
So you see the red, the red, so, but everything to the left of Venezuela is Colombia.
And they could be one country.
And in many ways, in many ways, they're both very close.
It's unusual that they would have a vast political difference.
And right now, they don't, but they did up until now.
When I worked with the Colombian government, and I worked very, very closely with the Colombian government for a long time, both when I was in government and with my security firm.
Part of that time was still when Venezuela was a really good country.
And I hard to say this, but in some ways, a better country than Colombia.
Colombia had all the drug dealing.
Venezuela had the dregs, what were left over.
And Colombia had so much money and oil and everything else, they didn't have to worry about it.
And what Chavez did from the day he took over, which is 1999, is truly a tragedy.
He took a country and destroyed it.
You know, sometimes they take over these communists, a very, very poor country.
And it is true, they make it poorer, but they don't take the country and make it much worse than it is.
In the case of Venezuela, they have destroyed up until this action, any hope that it can fulfill its destiny.
And its destiny in 1980, its destiny in the 1980s, 1990s, back in the economic magazines and tracks, it was going to be one of the richest countries in the joint continents.
Now, that's interesting because Colombia, right next to it, of course, I think has a bigger population.
Don't think it has quite the natural resources, though.
Might have a better educated population.
The country right below it there, Brazil, is massive.
I mean, Brazil is 250 million people.
Venezuela, we checked today on Venezuela because we were shocked on the population.
But I wonder if that isn't with the 8 million gone.
It's like 12 or 13 million.
Yeah.
I mean, that's New York.
What?
Oh, 28 million.
I'm sorry.
I'm thinking of Caracas.
It's 28 million.
And most of them are in Caracas.
Now, that's a pretty small, that's a pretty close, pretty small country next to a country like Brazil, which is 250 million.
On the other hand, and Brazil is another country at Argentina that have often been thought of as countries that could be the wealthiest in South America.
And that's when they show signs of being well organized, not when they're in their dictatorship or communist mode.
But until Chavez took over, Venezuela was in the number one place.
And what he did to Venezuela is a tragedy.
He was a Ke Guevara, Castro-influenced, horrible criminal who he, combination of him, and then he died of cancer.
It was kind of suddenly.
He had cancer.
He went for treatment to Cuba, not trusting the treatment in his own country.
I don't know if that was scientifically based or based on security.
I'm assuming it had something to do with security because this guy was protected by Cubans.
Maybe it wasn't the wisest choice since they didn't do a damn bit of good.
And I think they're meeting with Castro now in a place I'm not allowed to predict, but well below, well below, I think it's below, not above the earth.
And they're sort of probably blaming Castro for having helped them become atheistic communist and rejecting God.
You know, going up and seeing God after all that, it's got to be really kind of tough.
And people forget exactly how contrary and what an enemy of religion communism is.
I got out the encyclical of Pope Pius the 11th, which I always remembered from school, was the best one written about communism.
But what did surprise me is a reminder of something I knew, but deep, deep, deep in my memory, these studies of mine about communism and about Muslim religion and religion were way back when I was thinking of being a priest.
But I did remember Divini Redemptoris.
Divini Redemptorus was written by Pope Pius the XI.
And it was written in the 30s.
And it's a brilliant work, unusual subject for a papal encyclical.
Although this followed Pope Leo's great encyclical on Rerum Navarum on labor, which is a particular favorite of the present Pope Leo, one of the reasons he took the name, apparently.
And it was way back in 1847 that the first Pope wrote an encyclical condemning communism, which is really interesting.
That's before Marx really even published.
So what the Pope was doing, this is the thing about the Catholic Church and the academic part of the Catholic Church that they always love.
It's very philosophical.
I mean, it's very based on, it's about the only place you can really practice Greek philosophy.
Aristotle, Aristotle was really the mentor of St. Thomas Aquinas.
So you read Aristotle and you read Thomas Aquinas, except for the religious tone of Thomas Aquinas, it's all Aristotelian logic.
So the popes were ahead of communism.
They saw it right away.
They absolutely saw it right, right away.
I mean, back in back in 1846, Pope Pius IX pronounced a solemn condemnation, which he confirmed in the words of the syllabus directed against that infamous doctrine of so-called communism, which is actually absolutely contrary. to the natural law itself.
And if once adopted, would utterly destroy the rights, property, and possessions of all men, and even society itself.
That was written three years before Engels and Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto.
Now, how they had assessed the full evil of communism when people who read the Communist Manifesto or even go to the trouble of reading the very much longer Das Kapital can't figure it out is amazing.
But then again, Pope Leo XIII, in an encyclical called Quad Apostolici Muneris, defined communism as the fatal plague which insinuates itself into the very marrow of human society only to bring about its ruin.
Now, that's an this is a pope they try to claim was sort of a left-winger progressive.
Well, on certain things, maybe, but when it came to communist, he was an extraordinarily rigid, what we would today call right, you know, he's like to the right of Bannon on this thing.
And then there are a group of other encyclicals then over the years dealing with communism, largely because communism, communism focuses on, I'm not going to say the Catholic Church, they focus on Christianity.
As does Islam.
And I think it is part of how they've been able to come up with a motor fivande and an ability to work with each other.
I mean, their hatred, the communists hate any people who have a religion.
And of course, that would include the Catholics.
And the stronger they are, the more orthodox and the stronger the religious belief, the stronger the opposition, similar to the Nazis.
So for the Catholic who doesn't go to church or for the Protestant who just belongs to the church, it's sort of an establishment church and is not very enthusiastic, et cetera, et cetera, they're not too worried.
But for the people that fill up those 2,000-person Sunday services at an evangelical church or who are now filling up Catholic churches like the one I was at yesterday, this is a worry to them.
So Chavez, let's review this.
Chavez came in in 1999.
He was elected to implement the Bolivarian Constitution Revolution.
Now, there's nothing in the Bolivarian revolution that talks about communism.
God forbid, Bolivar was a humanitarian and essentially a Democrat with a small D.
But he won in 1999.
For some reason, he ran against in 2000 and he won, maybe with an interim election.
Then he won in 2006 and 2012.
There was a coup in 2002 and he was out of office for a bit of time.
And Pedro Carmona acted as the de facto president.
That's one day.
And then Chavez Chavez is restored.
And then when we jump ahead to April 15, 2013, Chavez, when Chavez dies, Nicolas Maduro, who he had elevated just a year before to vice president, takes over as the interim president.
And then he gets elected to his first complete term.
It's elected to complete Chavez's term on January 3, 20, I'm sorry, April 14, 2013.
And then he gets elected.
And these are really questionable ones.
And one is definitively false.
In 2018 and 2024, he gets elected again in elections that are considered, still the last one, universally false.
And I don't know you call this the headquarters that developed the phony voting machines, but it's one of them.
This is the place that the Dominion and SmartMatic and all those people met together with, I believe it was Chavez, it may have been with Maduro, talk over how they were going to use the technology, which is common to all of them, developed, I believe, or certainly marketed and held in large abundance in Venezuela.
So they don't have a problem when they have a vote coming on.
Remember in 2023, on January 5th, he claimed he beat Juan Guaido and the president of the National Assembly, who was the president of the National Assembly, made himself interim president, signing the constitution provisions as to the alleged fraud of Maduro's 2018 reelection.
And it was recognized by over 50 countries, including the U.S., most of Latin America, but not Russia, China, or the equally communist United Nations.
And then the second election, the observers say it wasn't even close.
He didn't win.
He was defeated.
So we're not dealing with a head of state.
We're dealing with an illegitimate dictator, which changes the rules.
And then Delcey Rodriguez was put in, that's her name, as his vice president.
Now, she is a long-term member of the Communist Party.
She is a long-term member of the Chavistas.
She has a brother who is considered a major criminal in the country.
And she is also.
She has not been indicted or convicted, but neither has any of them been convicted.
But she has been sanctioned by many international organizations for her trafficking with drug dealers and with terrorists.
She has had very, very harsh positions about the United States.
She clearly, up until her sucking up now, hates the United States.
And she immediately, after first saying that she would do anything we wanted, made it very, gave us a lecture and made it very clear that we weren't going to get to do anything in Venezuela.
Now, the problem here is this is a mistake we keep seeming to make and can't stop making it.
We overthrow the top guy and then we bring in the number two guy, number three guy, and somebody worse comes in, and all we've done is help the line of succession.
We haven't broken up the group.
It's like what happens with the mafia.
They convict, they put Lucky Luciano in prison, and Frank Costello takes over.
The empire is just as big and getting bigger.
Here you put one guy in jail and the other one comes along.
One dies and the other one.
He's running.
And meanwhile, the organization is growing and growing and growing and growing.
And it's killing more people with fentanyl.
It's taking away the lives of more girls by kidnapping them and bringing them into servitude than would ever be the case.
And I do not know why the administration accepted Del C.
I know, as I said, I know Venezuela.
I worked there, not there, I worked in Brazil next, but with the help of Venezuelans, I watched it change.
I know how it's changed.
And I wrote a tweet very early this morning.
Sooner you get her out of there, the better.
We don't repeat a mistake.
That's a perennial mistake for us, isn't it?
Now, I don't know.
I don't know who advises the president, but and I think John Radcliffe is a great, great man.
I just know that John Radcliffe runs the organization that had the 51 spies who lied who said I was a Russian operative.
I'm clearly not 100% not a Russian operative.
That was clearly either completely made off or up or terrible intelligence or a combination of both for which they had to apologize and drop the charges, by the way.
So I have no confidence in their doing this or any other investigation.
And I do follow my rule that I said to the president years ago, he's probably forgotten it.
If they're really, if the CIA is really, really sure, do the opposite.
Now, how often have we gone through the trouble of overthrowing one of these people, put somebody else in, and it goes even worse?
Well, there's nothing here to suggest that it isn't.
Today in Venezuela, the same people are governing Venezuela, but two.
And it wasn't a singular enterprise.
It was a mass enterprise with lots of people and lots of people to take over.
And that enterprise has to be dismantled.
And so I think the appointing of Delsi Rodriguez was a mistake.
I think it's a mistake that we do make often.
I think to the extent that it might not have been as stupid and dumb as they often are in these administrations, I think there was an attempt to, and I think she succeeded in ratting out her boss.
I think they knew that she was a lot smarter than her boss, a lot more conniving, and in many ways, a lot more dangerous because she is a lot smarter, and that she could outfox them and help us.
And she did, and she got her reward.
She's now the acting president.
And until we get rid of it, she can do incredible amounts of damage.
To say that we can run it from outside, I've worked in a lot of governments and I've watched them run by other people.
And you can't run a government like this from the outside.
You've got to be in charge of it day in and day out, or have somebody that's in charge of it day in and day out that's carrying out the policies that you want.
She's not, and she won't.
She's a communist murderer.
She should be gone.
She'd be on her way to jail.
There's always room for a mistake, unfortunately.
This is a big one and an important one.
Out.
Out.
I don't care what she promised to do out well, I shouldn't say that you could persuade me I was wrong.
If you could show me what, what she's going to do, that's so extraordinary, that isn't better than getting rid of the number two person and maybe the person who was, who was designated the most as as the one who would carry on and encourage people to finish out their lives in Russia.
The attack was, you know, about a.
As good as it gets right, you can't possibly.
We've been through it, we've gone through all the special, our special show, because it was kind of truncated, so we put on a special on on saturday night.
A lot of you watched it and if you don't, it's still there.
Um, and that was, I mean, on friday night, you're able to describe, describe the really unbelievably fast and very effective military action, naval action uh, and then on saturday, you were able to to describe a very uh sad, a very sad situation, but still something that um, something that uh lifts, lifts your heart, and that is uh,
the arrest and his being brought in and uh, you see a head of a state and that kind of situation.
It's never, it's never a good thing.
But I mean, the people of Venezuela were overjoyed.
I mean, Ding Dong, the witch is dead and that's it's a heck lot worse than the witch.
Uh, he was a brutal brutal no, no holes barred uh uh, dictator and I, I believe he was trying to make a deal to be taken out and put in some cushy place, rest of his life and get immunity for the 130 140, 150 individual acts that they have, for which he can, he can be convicted.
I mean, they should get consolidated into the best ones and and uh, he certainly should never spend another moment outside of a jail cell.
New York, the federal court also doesn't have a death penalty in place right now.
Uh, that could suffice.
I think i'm going to go search on that, because the death penalties were put in, they were suspended, but I don't.
I, I don't remember now I haven't prosecuted in quite some time what the um, but the ruling was what the ruling was on that, so we'll find out.
Um, so the attack began on friday night, or or?
Um yeah, friday night, about 1045 they left, they arrived over his home or down, already going into his home, at 101 a.m, 201 a.m, their time, and they made.
They made it seem like a very easy mission.
I assure you.
The planning that went into this was meticulous, the plan of it was fabulous and uh, this is a brilliant, brilliant mission.
They they had three uh content, three possibilities of getting destroyed here or more, and they got in.
They faced some counterattack, they took no losses.
They got three injuries, all of which are not life-threatening, and they took away The life of one of these Islamic uh maniacs.
And then they got out of there in helicopters, went to is, which plane were they using?
The Macarthur?
Was it the Macarthur plane?
I'm not playing aircraft carrier.
I think they were using it, the Iwo Jima.
Okay, so they're using the Iwo Jima.
And they brought, they brought them there and then uh, I don't think they took them all the way back to the?
U.s.
By boat.
I think they had a plane come pick them up and then take them Uh, to um Stewart Stewart Airport in Westchester, New York, which is above uh, what you think of as a New York City, although it's operated like it's New York City, and it has an airport and former air base known as Stewart Air Terminal.
It is now, and it has, if I recall correctly, and I can't, they take um they they they they um they took him I'm not someone today said, and I don't have it a complete timeline, they took him to Manhattan first.
I don't know why they would because I think you're gonna arraign him tomorrow, but the ultimate ultimate goal was to be in the Brooklyn detention center.
You say, Well, why is he in the Brooklyn detention center?
Maybe because they want him to hang around with uh they want him to hang around with Epstein Epstein's probably looking forward to it, huh?
Right, and then who else is in there?
Some of the so oh, uh, the the the crazy popsinger, not popsinger, what did he?
Yeah, no, I think he's no, he's in that prison, maybe they're holding him there for New Jersey, right?
The two of them are in the prison, the two of them are in he's in the same prison as P. Diddy and El Chapo and who El Chapo, no, no, no, no, sorry, no, maybe take a break and figure it out.
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Well, welcome back.
I'm going to show you, Ted, why don't we set this up and I'll give you an idea of the operation.
I do that because I am, I have to admit, an absolute admirer of the work done by our special forces.
I think it is, I know all of us know how great they are and how wonderful they are and what great work they're doing, how brave they are.
But I don't really, I really, I really know you don't know how good they really are.
You really don't know it.
You think you do until you spend time with them, which I have.
The chance in any extrication is much greater than the person out than not.
How about that?
Now that is that is remarkable.
So what you're looking at there is, and Ted, you may slip in from your side, because I don't have one here.
You may slip in a more general map to show them where Venezuela is.
You know, this is like a detailed map of Venezuela itself.
This is the northern central portion.
If you look in the right there, you'll get an idea of where it sits within South America.
But if you can pull up another, if you can pull up another one of these maps, we can show where that is.
Yeah.
So basically, basically, basically, they hit basically, I would say in order to create a distraction, they hit the Vauguera port, which would really shake them up.
Airport, Fort Tiuna, which is the nerve center of Venezuela's military operation.
That's where they got Maduro and Libra Tador Air Force Base, and as well as La Carlada Air Base.
Basically, to neutralize them, number one, and number two, shock an ore to create a distraction and something to worry about so they couldn't put all their eggs in the basket of trying to save trying to save the animal.
So we get there and within a very short period of time, we're at the exact place where he is because we knew in advance what his moves were going to be.
Because we've been scouting that place for three months, four months, with all kinds of equipment.
And we know where he sleeps.
We know which side of the bed he goes on at three in the morning or four.
We know when he pees.
We know when he ordinarily gets up.
We know what room he goes into when he ordinarily gets up.
We may have seen some drills, so we may have a sense of what their security planning is.
Even if we don't, we take a look at the house and figure out the common sense what are the one or two most sensible things you would do and you give that emphasis.
You don't give up the others, but you give up, you put your emphasis on the thing you think is the most likely.
So when you're going in there, you're going in there with millions of little pieces of information.
It's not guesswork at all, which is what reduces the success rate from 60% to 70 to 80 to 90.
I mean, they've been at 100, they've been at 97, 98.
I don't know about this one.
Seemed like it was flawless, thank God, thank God, in terms of our losing none of our troops.
And we got them out.
This is a great victory for those of us who understand what was going on in Venezuela and the freedom that it will afford for these people.
But beyond that, the safety and security is going to afford for us.
I mean, there's no question that this is America first, America first, in that America better be very well defended against its single most obvious enemy in terms of the speed with which they could get to the United States and the commitment that they had and the backing that they had from Russia and China.
That was all taken out in this strike, right off almost all of it, right off the sea, right?
We have another map that will show.
This is cut nine.
This is a map of where it happened.
This is a full map of the country that kind of shows where the stuff happened.
If we can put that up.
There it is.
So up there in Craucas, you can see that's this map.
That's this map blown out.
That's where the bombings took place.
A couple of couple of very couple of rural ones to the right and left, but nothing quite that south.
They would have if you've been down there.
They'd gone any place they had to go to catch him.
Right, they would have got him.
You know, right before his last, his last meeting, which he can remember now in jail for the next 50 to 100 years, was with the Chinese, with the Chinese special envoy, Kui But in any event, he's going to have to remember that name.
And it's interesting that his last meeting was with China.
We spend a lot of time with China.
China would like to spend a lot of time not just with them, but up north.
Shall we get that?
Yeah, I'll get it.
So this is the man.
Okay, I'll get it.
I can talk real loud.
There's the map.
There's Dr. Maria, who's got myself in the shot.
Oh, I am.
You look good, Dr. Maria.
Remember, she's on tonight, so you got to get her at nine.
Back on with a little bit of a break.
She was off for a couple of days for her Thanksgiving, her Christmas and New Year's vacation, as all the Lindell people were.
And right now, she has her close friend Grace with her.
So she's quite engaged.
May I ask, Dr. Maria, what are you and Grace doing now?
We're being a little mice, being quiet.
You're looking for mice?
No, we are the mice.
Well, you are the mice.
Are you a mouse, Grace?
Grace said she was a mouse.
And why are you being a mouse?
We want to be quiet.
Oh.
Oh, they don't want to mess up pop-pop show.
Isn't that nice?
Would you like to say something, Grace?
Can I go on TV?
I know your daddy likes you when you go.
Your daddy likes it when you go on.
He always tells me how beautiful you are.
Grace, by the way, is my granddaughter.
She's Andrew and Zevil Giuliani's daughter.
She's just became, well, in December, she became four years old.
She stays here.
She's been staying here since she was a little baby, so she's quite familiar with everything around here.
She's going to stay with us for a week.
And of course, is it mundane to say whatever the most wonderful thing in the world is being a grandfather?
Of course, it's pretty wonderful being a father, too, but this, it is different.
It is.
There's a different thing to it.
But it does bring me back to my children, too.
I keep comparing her to Andrew and Caroline in different ways and with the different ways in which she acted in the way her mom, who's a great lady, see, must have acted.
But she and Maria are very, Maria's like more like a playmate.
They do all kinds of imaginative things.
Yesterday they were over at the golf course, and she saw the, she saw the, Grace saw the, I think, the helicopter landing pad.
And it is true that from the distance we were, it looked like an ice rink, like a thing of ice.
She got it in her head that it was ice and she said to Maria, everybody else would have said no to her.
Let's go over an ice skate.
And Maria went, they spent about 20 minutes pretending they were ice skating.
It was so cute.
And there was the president of the United States just a little while away after he had attacked and destroyed and taken the world's one of the world's worst criminals.
I don't like doing this.
I really didn't want to do it.
I did the first thing this morning because I think sooner the better.
I do not agree one bit with having Del C Rodriguez in this government.
Del C Rodriguez is part of an integral part, and our husband, major part of the Chavez Maduro organized crime organization.
Their narcotics organization, their trafficking organization, their money laundering organization, their dictatorship, their torture of people.
She is considered to be particularly sadistic.
She is considered to be far more reliable, far more efficient, and, or maybe I should say, intelligent than he is.
And her first instinct was to go rogue when, when, even after Marco told her, you know, you better tow the line here.
And now the president has her back.
But you can't tell.
See, you can't tell any progress can be made.
I'll tell you what.
It's the worst of both worlds.
They've got his number two person in charge, and everybody else is the same.
So this is not just, it never was just Chavez or just Dodo Bird or just this vicious woman.
It's many, many people, the guard, for example.
She theoretically has more control of them than he did.
So there's a much greater chance that she's going to jerk us around.
Now, you say maybe she won't, but why should we take the risk?
Isn't there a risk of what I'm saying could happen?
So I play this game, and the rules I were taught is you don't take a risk.
Now, the other counter to that would be: we needed her to rat out her boss.
Like, where is he going to be?
And what's the best way to get him?
And how to wear him down.
So I don't know if she was in on it or not.
There was a deal made with her, but it seems very, very strange that at least the top 10, 12 people weren't taken out.
So that I'll give you the reasons I think why.
I think one reason, more near the bottom, is they didn't want to get themselves into Iraq situation of nobody being able to run the schools, ride the bus, drive the buses, take care of the trains, take care of the hospitals, and therefore they'd have a major revolution of a different kind going into the new, and then you'd have to compromise and, oh boy, terrible, terrible.
Okay, I understand that.
But number one, that could be avoided by having someone who really is a very, very good manager, a very good, extraordinarily good at motivating people and getting people, and being able to operate immediately with the next level.
Quick operation with the next level.
Unless I'm sadly mistaken, and this is an exceptional government and not a crooked Latin American government.
You've got seconds hanging out all over the place who've been fired.
Not only did 8,000 people leave Ukraine under Noriega, but millions more are in hiding.
And they're not taking buses and going to restaurants, giving out tips.
So there's going to be a lot of weeping and gnashing over this.
You say, well, it helps the FBI and DEA because they'll be able to focus more.
But the whole objective here is to end this criminal enterprise, which means put them in jail for a long period of time.
Don't let them out until they're carried out in a casket.
And second, take every single penny that you can trace to the ill-gotten gains of this criminal organization.
And that's what really destroys it.
They can't go on.
They can't keep perpetuating this wealth that they've created.
So I'm hoping that that all works out the right way.
But one time, and one time more: get rid of Delcey Rodriguez today.
The sooner, the better.
Whoever advised you is ignorant of her background or has an agenda because she's an agenda person.
And she's also a vicious person.
You actually should be thinking about ways to prosecute her that get you beyond the statute of limitations and federal statute.
Well, thank you very much for looking in.
It's been a very, very eventful weekend.
We don't get to relax very much on the weekend anymore, but we like the progress that's being made.
We really do.
So I want to thank all of you for listening in.
And we'll be back tomorrow on Lindell at seven and America's Mayor Live at eight o'clock.