The Rudy Giuliani Show: Tuesday, December 16, 2025
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Good evening.
This is Rudy Giuliani, and this is the Rudy Giuliani show on Lindell TV.
I should tell you earlier today, I'd say about an hour ago, we got a surprise visit here.
And it was two members of the local Chabad here in Palm Beach, two young men, I'd say in their 20s, who came over to give us a Hanukkah gift and also to talk about what's going on with anti-Semitism in the world.
Now, you might remember that Chabad is the group that was attacked in Sydney.
They had about a thousand people, and it was the first night of Hanukkah.
And this was a traditional celebration for them, meaning they have done this for many years.
Now, let me remind you that, or tell you, that Chabad is an outgrowth of the Labavature sect, but more particularly, it's an outgrowth of Rabbi Schneerson, who was the great rabbi that led the Labavature community, like Moses,
out of bondage and out of the reach of Hitler to Crown Heights in Brooklyn and established the world headquarters of his movement there.
And the Chabad is an offshoot of it.
Now, I may be wrong about this.
This is my impression of it.
My impression of it is that it's like a missionary group.
They go all over to Jewish communities that maybe aren't the largest Jewish community, so they wouldn't have the big, you know, the big synagogues and like in New York or Chicago or Los Angeles and the big shuls and temples and various houses of worship for the Jewish people.
They might, or they are a somewhat more orthodox form of Jewry.
So they might also be seeking to bring people back to a more strict form of or orthodox form of Jewry.
And they have become almost a worldwide movement.
They've been in Australia for a very, very long time, but they began in Crown Heights, Brooklyn.
And that is their headquarters today.
Well, these two young men originally came from Brooklyn.
Of course, they knew me when I was mayor.
And I was very, very close to that community.
Spent more than a few nights in the world headquarters, and particularly at times when they were under siege, including the shameful pogrom that I thought was the worst display of anti-Semitism I had ever seen in America.
I think it's been overcome, certainly in volume, if not in intensity.
So tonight is the third night of Hanukkah.
And as you might remember, this is to celebrate the cleansing of the temple after the Maccabees defeated the Seleucid Greeks who had taken their temple and defiled it, used it for their own, what would be considered by the Jewish people who believe in one true God, a blasphemy to that one true God.
So before they would use the temple again, they wanted to sanctify it with new oil.
So the first night they lit a candle and that's all the oil they had.
And they prayed to God and God supplied the oil for all eight nights.
And as a result of that, Judas Maccabee enjoined them in this scripture reading we read to you last night every year at this time to celebrate this feast.
And it has been celebrated.
It's even, although this is debatable, as many biblical references are in the Old and New Testament, this is a feast that many Christian scholars believe shows up in the book of Mark that Jesus celebrated.
As time went by, this also became a feast that took on some of the trappings of Christmas, not the religious segment of it, but the additional segment of it.
So although it wasn't originally part of the ceremony to give gifts and to do things like that, it was an original part of the ceremony to light the candles and to have a sanctified meal and to drink sanctified wine and to pray and to remember as a joyful occasion.
So when we think about these people in Sydney or Australia, they were there to celebrate probably one of the most joyful holidays in the Jewish season, in their liturgical season.
Certainly the new year is another one.
But this is just a pure celebration for a great victory and the reclaiming of the temple.
So we're going to light the candles.
And there are two blessings that we do in the lighting of the candles.
And then tonight it is traditional to sing, which I am going to spare you from.
If I asked them to stay, maybe one of them is a cantor.
I should have thought of that.
I should have asked them to stay for this ceremony today.
But there's a song which is similar.
I mean, it's similar, different verses, but it has the same name as a very famous Christian hymn, Rock of Ages.
And that is sung after the menorahs are lit.
So let's make sure we do this.
On the third night of Hanukkah, two blessings are recited before lighting the candles.
The third blessing, the Shishi Henu, is typically reserved for the first night only.
But now, the other text that I have says that even though it's reserved for the first night only, it's very often used throughout because it's such a beautiful blessing.
So we'll do two with the candles and then we'll come back and do one more here and read the reading.
And with our friends who are Jewish, we'll do a ceremony that's 2000, 200 years ago.
So, first, first we light the Shamash candle.
I've got to make sure that's going well.
And you light the candle for the third night first.
And then you light the candle.
Again, it's a sort of a relighting of the candle for the second and the first night.
And as you see, there are eight places here.
So those are the eight nights of this one here.
These are quite well to stay upright.
There it is.
So, Barucha Ta Danai, El Hoenu Melaholam, Ashakanat Ki Sanu, Bimu Botza Vitsivanu Didi Rik Nir Shel Hanukkah.
Praised are you, God, spirit of the universe, who makes us holy through your commandments and commands us to light the Hanukkah candles.
And now the blessing for Hanukkah.
Barucha Ta Danai, El Hoinum Melakaham, Sheshash Nasim Lavotenu, by Amin Haheim Bazaman Haza.
Praised are you, God, spirit of the universe, who performed miracles for our ancestors on this day at that season.
So that is, of course, if you think of those two prayers, those two blessings, those two blessings capture Hanukkah, don't they?
The first is the candles that stayed lit for eight days because The oil was supplied from above, and the blessing and the thanks to God who performed the miracles to do that.
And then the generic prayer is excuse my pronunciation.
I did the best I could.
Praised are you, God, spirit of the universe, who keeps us alive, sustains us, and brings us to this moment.
Now, we could not have a better blessing than that for tonight, could we?
And tonight is the night that the Jewish people who celebrate Hanukkah sing Rock of Ages.
Now, I'm not going to do the, not gonna, I'm not going to do an injustice to the Hebrew, nor am I going to sing it.
I'm going to read you the words in English.
It begins, Mazotzu, so you can see this is going to be a tough one.
Rock of ages, let our song praise thy saving power.
Thou, amidst the raging foes, was our sheltering tower.
Furious, they assailed us, but thy armor veiled us.
And thy word broke their sword when our own strength failed us.
And thy word broke their sword when our own strength failed us.
So that's the memory of Hanukkah.
And we go right from that to bringing you up to date on Sydney, Australia, where on Sunday, as you know, a father and son, Islamic extremist group, two Islamic extremists, in the name of Islam, in the name of Muhammad, decided to attack the first night of Hanukkah.
Now, with all of the research now done on it, this is not in any way a surprise.
Everyone that I spoke to said this was very much expected.
There was a 2024 firebombing in a Melbourne synagogue.
There have been numerous smaller anti-Semitic either disturbances or violence since particularly since the October 7 Hamas barbaric attack on Gaza.
Strange, isn't it?
Very, very strange.
There were 1,000 people in attendance when the two Islamic terrorists showed up.
And the two gunmen fired from a pedestrian bridge right near the beach.
And Tessa Gnessen, who had just arrived at the festival with her husband, describes this this way.
We were just sitting, ducks.
We were just waiting for the slaughter as we saw them.
Her view was somewhat obscured.
At one point, one of the gunmen was seen off the bridge aiming his weapon from behind.
She saw a bystander, the man that is identified as Ahmed, who is the hero, tackle the assailant, put him in a headlock, and strip his gun from him.
No doubt that saved many, many lives.
He was injured.
He was shot several times in the shoulder, although he has, I think he's already made a full and complete recovery, or if he hasn't, he's on his way to it.
He has, of course, been praised by everyone.
No one sees anything there, but an unbelievable display of courage and also restraint.
He could have shot the man dead right there, but he didn't.
And in fact, one might say he put himself in jeopardy by not doing that.
I mean, they hit him in the shoulders, but they could have, the son hit him in the shoulders, but he could have hit him elsewhere.
The authorities have for the longest time been dismissing the anti-Semitic incidents as hoaxes or exaggeration or panics.
And one of the editorials in Australia today says, Australian society failed the Jewish people at every level.
Now, they say the Australians must reject the laissez-faire attitude toward anti-Semitism or serious political consequences will ensue.
Sunday also brought a violent demonstration in Amsterdam outside a Hanukkah concert.
And last year, Amsterdam had a pogrom with Muslims on a rampage after the soccer match.
And like in Sydney, John Puthoritz in the post notes, the police seem frozen.
There is no doubt this is an act of Islamic terrorism.
This is an act that emerges right from the Quran and the Hadith as the obligation of a religious Muslim to make certain that the infidels are coward into either converting, dying, or paying tribute.
Two homemade Islamic flags were found right next to the explosive devices and registered to the 24-year-old who was involved in this.
And they ended up killing 15 people, injuring somewhere around 30.
They use licensed firearms in a country that has the strictest gun control laws in the world.
And the ignorant, stupid, socialist, and mean-spirited premier or president or whatever the hell Albanese is said, well, there should be stronger gun laws.
And maybe if there were looser gun laws, a large number of those 1,000 people would have had guns and they could have shot these people before they killed anyone.
That might be thought of, you know, you've got all the gun laws you can possibly imagine.
This guy legally got guns.
I don't know what else it is.
You're going to cut down on the number of guns.
Well, all you need is one.
You're going to cut down on the number of guns that people have.
You don't think that maniacs like this will get guns, whatever you do, Albanese, or not?
Are you really that stupid?
I mean, you're the last place that can argue that gun control can prevent crimes like this when you have the strictest gun control in the world.
And there is one thing that could have stopped it.
If some of those 1,000 had guns, they maybe could have taken this guy out before the police got there.
And apparently, the police got there pretty fast, but by and large, they were described as frozen.
And the reaction so far, as is noted by Walter Russell Mead in the Wall Street Journal, is that you have continued your appeasement.
And this will just go on.
This globalized intifada, which we have going on now, which you might remember, the soon-to-be mayor of New York is in favor of a globalized intifada, seems to be active and seems to be very much accepted in Australia.
Certainly, he encouraged it massively when he recognized a non-existent Palestinian state.
I mean, it is hard to recognize a non-existent state, but he in England and somebody else did, and they're all having tremendous problems with the global intifada.
Walter Russell Mead points out today in his article that the Labor Party, like the Democratic Party in the U.S., is militantly anti-Zionist and increasingly anti-Semitic.
It has a strategy of appeasement, which embraced the recognizing of the non-existent state.
And he reminds us of a Norm McDonnell 2016 tweet, the late Norm McDonnell, I should say.
And I wonder what the occasion was for this.
This is back in 2016.
What terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans, imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims.
The backlash against the Muslims after September 11 was modest at best.
Nothing like what they do to us.
Nothing, not even close.
Nothing.
We have been pushed around, killed, destroyed, taken hostage, had airplanes blown up, had buildings blown up in the name of Alo Akbar, which is an announcement that they are following the commandment of their prophet Muhammad to spread the religion.
The religion is spread by warfare and by killing.
I've yet to find, and I'm searching, I'm searching, I'm yet to find an example of conversion based on the brilliant teachings of the Quran, which I read some of today.
doesn't strike me as terribly brilliant and we'll have to see as that was going on in that part of the world in syria uh islamic terrorists uh islamic terrorists pro probably allied with ISIS, although working for the Syrian government and for Jalani.
And supposedly, He was scheduled to be removed because of his suspicious behavior.
Now, let's remember, we've got both of these have suspicious behavior in their backgrounds.
The younger murderer here was on a watch list, was not on a watch list.
He was evaluated for being put on the watch list, and he wasn't.
Now, how often does that happen, Ted?
How often does that happen that one of these guys is supposed to be on a watch list and he doesn't end up on the watch list?
Quite often.
So in Syria, you might say the same thing happened.
They had this guy working for the government, working for the Jalani government.
And in fact, he looked like he was really working for the other side.
ISIS, of course, had to be overthrown for Jalani to take over the government.
Well, it ended up in two U.S. Army soldiers being killed, a civilian interpreter killed, three U.S. servicemen injured, and two Syrian security personnel were also wounded.
The gunman was engaged, and he was killed by a combination.
They're the two young men who lost their lives in the line of duty.
And to them and to their families, may I offer my own very humble prayers and just tremendous respect for the bravery of your young men and for the seriousness of your loss and ask God to help you.
What you're doing, what you see now, Ted, I think we should explain.
That's Jelani, and right behind him is the guy who did the murder.
So again, he was flagged, we are told, to be removed, but there are two questions that have to be asked.
One, why wasn't he removed?
And two, were we notified of the fact that he was flagged?
Is there some evidence of that?
Not that I don't trust Jelani, but I don't trust John.
Let's just be clear about it.
The president has to do what he has to do for diplomatic purposes.
I don't.
I don't trust a terrorist as far as I can throw him.
And if he's reformed, he's going to have to prove it to me in 50 different ways, not two.
The president said there'll be very serious retaliation against those responsible.
And we are assuming the Islamic State is responsible.
So shall we play it?
Yes.
On the Syria handbook of U.S. forces, do you still have confidence in the Syrian president?
I do.
I mean, this had nothing to do with him.
This is a part of Syria that they really don't have much control over.
And it was a surprise.
He feels very badly about it.
He's working on it.
He's a strong man.
And this had nothing to do with the Syrian government.
This had to do with ISIS.
Well, it seems like that is the case, that it had to do with ISIS.
Not unusual.
ISIS has been killing us and trying to kill us forever.
They were kind of finished until Obama decided they were the JV, didn't pay attention to them, and then got them up to a massive force.
Trump put them down in his first administration.
Biden let them grow again.
They also benefited greatly along with some of the others with the billions of dollars worth of weapons that Biden donated to them at Begram.
I mean, there are so many things about Biden that should be investigated as a traitor to the United States of America that it's almost impossible.
You don't pass one night of something happening to America without seeing some horrible thing that Biden did to help to cause it.
The Syrian authorities now, in fairness to them, did number one, they did begun a very, very intense investigation.
They've already made some arrests of people they believe were involved in it.
As I said, he was slated for dismissal.
I would like to see that.
And this is the first deadly ambush against a U.S. service member since the change took place there.
So this is right in the center of Syria in Palmyra, which is an ancient and historic city with an unbelievably great history.
So let's conclude this part of the broadcast and we'll take a break with spending a moment in prayer for Sergeant Edgar Brian Torres Tovar and Sergeant William Nathaniel Howard Heroes protecting freedom for America and for the world.
God bless them and God bless the men and women like them.
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Welcome back to the Rudy Giuliani Show on the Lindell TV.
The next governor of Minneapolis am I allowed to say that?
Of course, I'm allowed to say anything I want.
That's why I quit WABC so I can say everything I wanted.
What a great governor he would be.
Yeah, I heard Dr. Maria endorse him the other night.
And when we were listening to her show, you know, after our show was over, I put it on.
Yes.
I was clapping.
She gave such a great endorsement.
I wish she had endorsed me.
I might have gotten more.
I might have got, I only won by 58%.
I could have won by 60%.
Probably would have gotten two extra points if I had her endorse me.
She should go out there and campaign for him.
Well, the Brown shooting is another one that is an enigma built on an enigma, correct?
Right.
Let me give you the time.
Let me give you the timeline of it.
I don't know.
I've got two of them here, and they're a little different.
I'll go with the second one, which is the later of these.
First of all, you should know that no suspect has yet been arrested or publicly identified, although they're kind of talking around one, right?
Right.
They're talking around one possible one.
And they've arrested, and I almost can't keep count now.
They arrested a person of interest right away, and then another person of interest, or maybe the same one.
They got a guy whose picture they show walking around like a little bit of a hood, hood, meaning a gangster type walk.
At one point, he looks like he's got a pot belly.
Certainly not a student.
Well, I don't know.
You sort of assume that Ivory League students don't have pot bellies, but who knows?
The Attorney General of Rhode Island, Peter Narona, said the evidence led him to the initial detention of the person, but then it pointed in a different direction.
I'm sorry, I can't.
I'm not faulting him at all.
I wouldn't give you any information either if I were him, but that doesn't really give you very much.
So they don't have, as far as we can tell from the leaks and the peaks and the sneaks, they don't have a confirmed suspect.
Rudy Giuliani thinks they do, watching their body language and the way they're talking and the way they're acting.
I believe they have somebody very much in mind, but they don't have the evidence yet, which, of course, doesn't get you anywhere, right?
They've released several of these grainy security videos of this man in dark clothing.
He seems to be the same man.
And have you noticed, Ted, as the videos get released, they get better and better.
When we first started releasing these videos, you could hardly see the guy.
Notice how, well, that one hasn't improved too much, but the first one really improved a lot in terms of the quality of it.
Now, I have to tell you, that's a lot to have.
You'd say, well, you don't have a great shot of the face.
That's a lot to have.
We could do a lot with that.
And I'm sure they are.
I mean, I tend to be overly critical of investigations like, I don't know, like a doctor is.
And lawyers are always critical of other lawyers, you know, always something you could have done different.
But the amount of time involved with the evidence that they have or don't have is so far quite reasonable.
Unless they got a break and there was someone that came forward, it would take this amount of time to kind of reduce that to an identification.
I also will tell you that I am certain that they have much better pictures of him, I assume.
And I think you'll see those.
They're putting them out in sequence because they're hoping to give away as little as possible, but still give away enough so they can use the public to help them catch their criminal.
And that's a difficult, that's a difficult question to solve as to how much do you give away.
And I was of the school, and I'm not necessarily correct, I mean, of giving away everything.
Just give the public everything.
Tell them the color of the guy's hair.
And if you got a picture of his navel, show them his navel.
Maybe he'd go into a men's room and show his navel.
Who the hell knows?
The strangest things have caught people.
I mean, I would go through the whole list, but I'll just take you off.
I mean, very, very often you put something out thinking it's the face that's going to get it.
And the guy wore a pair of sneakers that people that are very significant and people recognized him by the sneakers.
I did catch somebody that way a long time ago.
Caught somebody with a pinky ring.
A lot of stuff.
Caught some women with stuff.
Not going to tell you what that was.
Now, they are saying there are hundreds of cameras around Brown, so why don't they?
Maybe thousands.
I don't know if there are thousands.
I mean, first of all, they're just going to repeat what you saw from different angles, maybe.
Yeah, does the guy have a mask on?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I mean, you're going to have if there are no pictures of his face, you've got, you don't need any more pictures of him.
You've got enough pictures to be able to do the forensics that you're going to need to do to start reducing this into an identification.
I even think there's enough of his face in the mask that a really, really good sketch artist could come up with an attempt at his face.
I have no doubt about it.
I'm looking at it right now.
I can think of somebody who can do it.
And this is the unit.
Well, this is, well, we're going to get a new sound, but yeah, we have one from the other day.
This is the Brown University president being confronted by a reporter.
This is a nine-millimeter handgun that was used.
There were 40 rounds of a nine-millimeter handgun.
So is, I mean, the question here is: did he say Alu Akbar?
And there was one, we tried to get him on the show.
There's a local TV radio talk show host of some notoriety who originally thinks that was originally reported that.
Now, that's a secondary, obviously, he wasn't there.
And I think it was reported to him as, I think he said that.
And as Ted points out, the young lady's name, who they now believe was the target, Kelly Cook.
Ella Cook.
Kella?
Ella.
Ella.
Ella Cook would sound like Ella Akbar if you were nervous.
So we can't and shouldn't come to a conclusion on it, except not to exclude it either.
Right.
So they are going door to door.
This is an intense investigation with the Providence Police.
I'm sure all the local police, the Rhode Island State Police, the FBI, the ATF, and anybody else.
50 grand, at least last time we checked, it was a $50,000 reward.
I think there's a great deal of frustration with the university.
And part of it is, if I am correct, the university president didn't know the details of this for four hours.
If that's the case, that's inexcusable.
That's inexcusable.
There also was a whole history on this campus of appeasement.
Now, there is no evidence of a broader threat.
Again, the unacknowledged theory is that Ella Cook was the focus of this.
Right.
And not the young man who was killed with her.
Although the two specific shots were one, two at the both of them, at Muhammad Aziz Umar Kozov and Ella Cook.
The first shot, apparently, from the eyewitnesses was at Ella, and the second was at Muhammad Aziz.
Now, according to the teacher, they were in a review class for an exam.
And the interesting thing is that Ella, Ella was part of that class and was well known to the professor.
And the professor said she was Professor Joseph Oduro, or the teaching assistant.
Of course, they don't have professors teach anymore in Ivy League schools.
That's another sham at these places.
You spend 90 grand and you get a bunch of teaching assistants teaching because the professors are writing books.
So the teaching assistant, Joseph Oduro, who was conducting the review, didn't recognize Muhammad as being a member of the class because Muhammad came along with friends of his, which he liked to do to keep them company while they were going under the pressure of getting ready for an exam.
And maybe he even learned a little something.
His desire was to be a neurosurgeon because he himself had had neurosurgery as a young man.
Ella was a student, and Joseph Oduro said that Ella was in his section during the semester.
She was an outstanding student.
She was always prepared.
She was engaged in discussions.
She was, she focused on French and math in her freshman year, but she was considering switching to economics.
As you know, I think she was the president of the Republican Club in Brown, and we have not ascertained how big that club was, how many were in the Republican Club there.
But she was a very, very dedicated, both Republican and Catholic.
Her hometown church in Birmingham, Alabama, the Cathedral Church of the Advent, described her in a Sunday service as incredibly grounded, generous, faithful, and a very bright light.
And boy, you can see that in that picture of her, can't you?
The university's Catholic community said that she was a sweet and strong girl.
At the end of the class, Oduro saw a lone figure dressed in black and wearing a ski mask into the lecture hall.
From a door at the top left, for a brief moment, the two men locked eyes.
Then the intruder screamed something indecipherable.
This is where the Abu Akbar or possibly Ella Cook or whatever was said raised the gun.
Oduro ducked as the gunman shot what he estimates were about 40 bullets into the lecture hall.
He believes that Cook and Umazokov was struck first.
So he was aiming in that direction.
He says, I wish Cook had gotten up and moved.
I wish she had sat with her friend earlier.
Her friend had offered her to come over and sit with her, and she, I guess, thought it was too disruptive and remained where she was.
But that might not have saved her because the theory is that the murderer was there to kill her.
We don't know why.
We just have just gotten that piece of information.
I will raise the following, and I'm sure Joseph Oduro has enough to think about, so I'm not asking him to comment on this.
I'm just saying this.
Suppose Rhode Island did not have very strict gun control laws.
And suppose Joseph Oduro had a gun right on his side, like right here.
And when he locked eyes with this guy and saw the gun come out, suppose he had blown his brains out.
Elle might be alive today, huh?
And Muhammad.
Do we have to teach teachers how to do that?
Yeah.
Yeah, we sure do.
What the hell do you think we have the Second Amendment for to defend ourselves?
What are we sitting ducks at a game for Muslims?
I don't know.
Just because he's all in black, you can't do it.
But the minute that gun comes out, yours can come out and ba-boom.
No questions asked.
You don't pull a gun out in class.
And then we better have juries and not have Soros DAs to try to put a guy like that in jail, like they did in New York.
Right.
But this is what we're facing.
We're going to talk about more on it when we go on X later, but we're facing a war against us by Islam.
Not all of Islam, but a lot of Islam.
So let's not make it tiny little exception groups.
These are groups that range in the millions.
Not a majority, but significant enough so that they've taken now an unacceptable number of American and innocent lives for us to be sitting back playing Neville Chamberlain.
So they believe it was a lone shooter, nine millimeter firearm, that he had been in the area for a few hours before.
They think the man walking, sounds like they think the man walking is the one who did it.
So and it looks like we will have John DiPetro joining us next hour, Mayor.
So I'll keep you.
That will be very, very interesting because he's been covering this locally.
He knows the area.
John DiPetro probably knows as much about this as anyone because he is a he is on the radio there every day for two or three hours.
That's right.
We know what that's like, getting to know a place like I was in New York.
Well, he met you in New York in 1982.
And also 1982?
1992.
Oh, at the Columbus Avenue Fair.
My goodness, I must have been a baby then.
He left New York when you left New York.
He watched you turn it around.
Sorry, I'm just reading the message.
Oh, yeah, that's nice.
So maybe we'll get a little, maybe we'll get a little bit of clarity on this person of interest and it keeps changing.
And I mean, I have theories about this, and I'm not ready to really criticize it, except we do have to note that the response time was 25 minutes.
Now, I don't think it would have made a difference because this happened instantaneously, but it doesn't matter if it would make a difference.
It could have in a different circumstance.
And the idea that it was crowded with traffic, you're not going to sell that on the former mayor of New York.
The police headquarters was one mile away.
My goodness, you get there on a bicycle faster.
By the way, there's a lot of traffic.
This is the reason they have sirens.
And you also go up on the sidewalk and you get the cops to clear the sidewalk.
The California case comes along also now with the FBI breaking this.
And I really like this because it reminds me of the old FBI.
This is what the old FBI used to do.
Even when I was mayor, I mean, you don't know when Louis Free was the head of the FBI.
You don't know how many of these things they stopped even before 9-11.
Then you don't know how many they stopped after 9-11.
A lot.
And at the time, the whole idea was not to tell people about it.
Now I think it's worth doing it because it gets people, you know, you know what happens when you do this, when you put out a case, this is the group.
This is the group from the Turtle Island Liberation Front.
They had some involvement in some strange way with the Charlie Kirk thing, too.
We have to look back and see exactly what that was.
But this is the Turtle Island Liberation Front is sort of a copy of Black Lives Matter and Antifa.
Whether they're related to them or not, maybe they're the minor league Antifa or Black Lives Matter.
But this group is an offshoot called the Order of the Black Lotus.
And they put together a program called Operation Midnight Spun.
And four of the suspects were in the Lucerne Valley.
And they had begun assembling the complex pipe bombs, homemade gunpowder for a multifaceted attack on New Year's in the Los Angeles or in the Los Angeles area.
So the conspiracy was completed with that, with those overt acts, with that assembling the bombs and assembling the, you don't have to wait and get too close to it and maybe lose it.
And then, God forbid, it happens.
So they arrested four people there and a fifth person in New Orleans who was organizing a separate attack we don't know that much about.
Now, why they were arrested together, we also don't know completely.
It sounds like they're part of the same organization and there were going to be multiple New Year's Eve attacks, at least in two different parts of America.
Maybe more.
We'll find out more about that.
13, if we can play 13.
Robbie?
I'm just talking to Jason.
Do we have, do we have just for B-Real?
Do we have any video of the Turtle Island Liberation Front?
Well, we do have, and we're pulling it up now.
This is the slogan is Death to America, which is the same slogan as the Ayatollah, which comes after Death to Israel every Friday when they sing their prayers.
Now, you and I are going to get in trouble for doing this.
I did it last night.
I'm going to do it again tonight.
But at this point, we really have to question the legitimacy of a religion that calls for the death of people of other religions.
Now, the Koran does do that.
I read it again tonight in detail.
The Hadass, which is the commentary on the Koran, does it multiple times.
And the official biography, I think it's called Sadar, of Muhammad does.
So don't go tell that to some jackass.
But the Quran justifies the killing they're doing, and they haven't changed the Quran.
So why don't we stop?
Why don't we stop being fools?
And why don't we face the fact that there is a large portion of this religion that is dedicated to eliminating us?
Not all of them, not most of them, but a large portion of them.
And the other portion doesn't read them out.
So what kind of religion is it?
And is Muhammad really, from what you know of his biography, a person who can found a religion?
I mean, we've got to have some kind of definition for a religion, right?
Are they entitled to the same privileges that legitimate religions get?
Religions that don't make as one of their main focus the elimination of people who don't believe.
And it's not accidental.
That's the way they spread the religion.
Their first big conquest was Persia.
They didn't convert Persia.
They didn't send their equivalent of Saint Paul to Persia to convert them.
They came in, they conducted genocide against the Zoroastrians.
They killed maybe a million of them.
And they took over Persia and imposed Islam on Persia.
I can't find any other way the religion spread other than that.
One minute.
So when we're looking for the root cause of all of this, right?
It is quite, it is quite accurate to agree with Rich Lowry, who today in his column says Islam is at its root, hostile to Jews.
It had startled us to learn that someone who had been attending a fundamentalist Christian church went and shot up a Jewish event.
Whereas it's not the least bit unusual in someone who's inherent to fundamentalist Islam.
It teaches them to do it.
The original 1988 Hamas, a charter, he says, reads like a transcript of a Candace Owen podcast, except with an armed wing attached.
It avers that the Jews strive to amass great and substantive material wealth and used to take control of the world media.
The document pronounces its support for Muhammad's prediction.
The day of judgment will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jews will hide behind stones and trees.
The stones and trees will say, Oh, Muslim, oh Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me.