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Nov. 20, 2025 - Rudy Giuliani
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The Rudy Giuliani Show: Thursday, November 20, 2025
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Good evening.
This is Rudy Giuliani, and this is the Rudy Giuliani show on Lindel TV.
And we are at the beach in Palm Beach.
Makes it a little easier to kind of digest all this stuff and do all the work that we do to evaluate what you need to know and other things that we're involved in.
You know, I have to tell you, just a little plug from Florida.
Of course, I worked all my life in New York and Washington, D.C. There's nothing quite like working in New York in many ways, good and bad.
And I do think, even with all of the problems, if you make it there, you can make it anywhere.
It's one of the most correct descriptions one can have.
I've never seen a city that works harder than New York.
Whether you're talking about lawyers, financial community, well, the ones I know, the lawyers, financial community, doctors, there's almost like no time, it's not like there's no such thing as nine to five.
It's from beginning to you finish.
Not necessarily the best way to lead your life.
Not a bad way to get trained, however.
I would universally recommend New York as the place to go after college and then decide if you like it or not.
And if you want to go somewhere else, God bless you, it might be just the best thing for you.
But I can say, as a very parochial New Yorker, which I still am, even though I live right near that beach there, it's still the best place to get trained as a lawyer, for sure.
I can tell you that, as a doctor, whatever, but maybe, probably.
Finance, of course, is not going to change over time.
God willing, it won't.
If we take the intervention of God out of it, it looks like Through the degradation of the human spirit in New York, it will, and it's on it on its way to.
But let's first talk about a governor who's trying to prevent that in the state of Texas.
If I were a governor of a state right now, or mayor of New York City, again, I would be looking very carefully at London and Paris and Berlin, parts of Europe, a little bit of Italy, some parts of Italy.
You know why I'd be looking at them?
Because my friends, they go to London more than I do.
And I've been to Paris two or three times recently, meaning within the last year, but I haven't been to London for about three years, four years, and I didn't go to take a look for that purpose.
Next time I do, I will.
My friends, and including people who live in London, are extremely disturbed.
Not disturbed, extremely disturbed that the country is turning Islam and that they cite mostly the west coast of England, which would mean the one facing Ireland and facing the United States, right, rather than the one facing the continent.
A lot of small, and there are a lot of small towns going up that coast, have been taken over by Muslims to the extent where, whether it's permitted or not, Sharia law is really guides.
Now, Texas, Texas has had an influx in the last, I don't know if it's the last year or two or exactly what the number is, but I saw the number.
It was 330,000, no, no, 330 mosques in Texas now, which is up from maybe in the past and exactly when the past is they're comparing, I don't know, maybe 30 or 40.
So you are looking at, I guess, street ceremonies in Texas.
Now, you're going to say, well, that's freedom of religion.
And I'm going to say, on the surface, you're correct.
Looks more like an army training, doesn't it?
To me, it does.
Sorry.
I don't know of any religion that does that, except consider it's a militaristic religion.
So if you've read the Quran, which you probably haven't, but I had to, and then I did on my own, it's a militaristic religion.
That's not untrue.
I would never, I'm not contradicting George Bush.
I'm correcting him because back then I don't think a lot of people knew the Muslim religion.
I knew it because I had studied for a while to be a priest.
And one of the things I was enormously interested in was comparative religion.
And I took courses on it.
And I read the Quran when I couldn't understand it.
I could understand it.
I didn't read it, obviously, in Arabic.
But I studied the Quran way back.
And then I studied it again.
And then I studied it with an imam.
It is quite accurate to say that if you read the Quran cover to cover without euphemistic deletions, Muhammad preaches a religion that should be spread optimally by war, by fear.
And in fact, its success as a religion spreading throughout the world has, by and large, been through conquest, through warfare, through killing.
So, to look at those militaristic exercises going on is extremely frightening.
This is not just another religion.
We have to stop kidding ourselves.
When we wrote, you know, everyone should be able to freely exercise their religion.
I'm not sure the founding fathers ever would have considered Islam such a religion because in the Christian world in those days, Islam was considered a warrior cult, not a religion.
Hence, the Crusades, the capture of Southern Europe, the tremendous battles in Spain that finally drove the Muslims off the continent.
You can go to churches in Spain where I imagine the communist is now covering them up, and you can see in the churches warfare going on between the Spanish defenders and the Muslim invaders.
Some of the most beautiful churches in Spain have those paintings or whatever on the wall.
So there is in Texas two groups, CARE and the Muslim Brotherhood, and the governor of Texas has sought to declare them domestic terrorist groups.
With regard to the Muslim Brotherhood, that should be really easy, since the Muslim Brotherhood is the core of one of the seminal terrorist groups that have created modern-day Islamic terrorism.
Say Hamas Muslim Brotherhood, that's where they came from.
Why does Egypt not want Palestinians in general in Egypt?
Because Cisi had to overcome the Muslim Brotherhood and its predecessor was removed by the Muslim Brotherhood from office.
Why does the king of Jordan not want to have Palestinians in Jordan?
Because of the Muslim Brotherhood and because they are, they believe, uncontrollable killers.
I don't see the difficulty in naming the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization.
CARE, of course, is one of the biggest, phoniest, and most despicable organizations in America.
It poses as some kind of a charitable group.
That was ripped apart in the case in court in 28, 2010, where judgments were gotten against them as a group tied to supporting Islamic terrorism.
But they claim that all that testimony, that was a frame-up.
But if you look at CARE and you watch it carefully and you read it carefully, and you've had occasion to look at intelligence reports, there is no doubt that anyone with any knowledge in this area would tell you that CARE is a supporter of Muslim extremism in a direct way, Muslim terrorism, Muslim murder.
And Governor Abbott, rather than the ridiculous things that people are saying, should be congratulated for protecting his state because there are any number of situations in Texas now where people are trying to practice Sharia law.
They're trying to do it under cover of its being voluntary.
In other words, well, we don't really have to go into the court of Middletown, Texas, because we have our own Sharia court that has taken care of the domestic violence or the stabbing or the looting or the rioting or the disturbance of the peace, which that might very well be.
We've had it settled in Sharia court.
Now, this has become a sensitive issue that CARE is saying, oh, you know, by frowning on this, you're being an Islamophobe.
No, no, you're not.
You're being an American.
There's no other law but the American law.
If somebody accuses me of theft, I can't go to the local Catholic church here and say, oh, we got it settled by a canonical court.
So leave me alone.
I'm a Catholic.
Or if my Jewish neighbor had the same thing happen, he couldn't run to the he couldn't run to the synagogue.
It's right.
Actually, in Palm Beach, there's a Catholic church, and there are synagogues on both sides as bookends.
There are bookends on it.
So he couldn't, even if he went to two of them and got a judgment, it wouldn't do any good.
The sheriff of Palm Beach would still arrest him, and the courts in Palm Beach would still adjudicate the crime.
But this is what they're trying to do in Texas.
And don't tell me Abbott is making it up.
He's not.
Tell me that the left-wing media is siding with the Muslim extremists.
And I would say, yes, of course.
In fact, I even went on X and I went on Grok, which I've been using recently because it's so much better.
Wikipedia is useless.
I mean, if I put on Wikipedia for me, it'll say, Mayor Giuliani, an accused felon, and then it'll go on explaining all the things that I supposedly did, about 90% of which I've already been cleared of.
And the truth has been proven, but they don't have it on Wikipedia because they don't bother to, well, they don't even bother to consult newspapers like the New York Post, the Wall Street Journal.
They don't, Newsmax.
Fox, I'm sure they never take into consideration anything that I report or any of my colleagues.
I mean, in fact, they probably take it into consideration as lies.
Well, I went on X and I asked it.
I went on Grok, which is Elon Musk's attempt to try to balance Wikipedia.
And what I got back was the biggest bunch of horse manure than you can possibly imagine, making Abbott into some kind of devil.
And this is interference in freedom of religion.
And before you can use the word freedom of religion, you got to know what you're talking about.
I mean, suppose a group got together called the Religion of Murderers and said, we're a religion.
We worship Satan or we worship God.
And God has told us to go around murdering people.
You think we'd give them freedom of religion?
Oh, we should.
It wasn't meant to be made a travesty of.
The freedom has to be thought of in light of protection of the public.
I mean, if Catholics wanted to put up a big giant structure reaching to the sky, saying we want to get closer to God and worship up there, but the thing had a risk of falling down, we'd stop them.
And they could say freedom of religion all they wanted.
Sorry, we're practical enough to realize that these are wacky members of the Catholic religion and it just wouldn't happen.
Well, this religion comes with a much bigger question attached to it.
All religions are not the same.
A religion that has a history and a current and very, very dramatic history of a significant amount of violence in its name, you don't, the last time I heard someone yell, at the time of a murder, an invocation to Judaism and Christianity is never.
The last time I read about an Islamic doing, that was two days ago.
Allah Akbar going on all over the world, less here than in most places.
They represent that religion.
They could represent the good side or the bad side of it.
But before I let them, before I let them just take over my community, I got to know what side.
I'm sorry.
I mean, it is true, if it were a group of Catholics or a group of Jews or a group of Protestants or a group of evangelicals, I would not feel the same way because I don't know of any history of those religions organizing through the religion to murder.
But I have direct and an enormous amount of experience with Muslims doing that.
So what he is doing is gutsy.
You people who live in a Democrat state won't get the benefit of that because there isn't a Democratic governor in the country that gots the guts to do it.
How about the governor of Michigan where things are far worse than Texas?
I mean, Governor Nitwit wouldn't think of doing that.
She'd be afraid she'd get voted out of office.
I mean, they'd vote her out in Dearborn.
I don't know.
I haven't seen Dearborn in a few years.
It didn't look like much of an American city left when I saw it last, Ted.
And the things I hear about it, I don't know, at five o'clock, do they play the woo-hoo?
Bright and early in the morning.
Well, I mean, isn't it, suppose I want to sleep in the morning?
I guess churches can ring bells, but I mean, suppose the Catholic Church decided, you know, you know, when monks get up to say the first prayer in the morning, and we go to the Trappist monastery, when we go up to the, maybe we could take a shot at going there when we go up to New Hampshire next.
It's a bit of a ride, but there's a beautiful Trappist monastery in Spencer, Massachusetts.
And my recollection, and I could be off, and they may have modified a little, but I used to go there for retreats with my friend Alan all the time when I was in high school and even in college.
It's the places where I did all of my meditating and thinking and soul searching about being a priest with the Trappist monks because they're such wonderful men.
These are the priests who remain silent all their life and pray.
They lead a life of prayer.
And they are extra, obviously they're brilliant and they're scholars because they also all, part of the way they're able to do that is they live in the mind, right?
But suppose they decided, and they live on a farm, so it wouldn't matter very much.
So I don't know if they, I guess they do ring a bell in the morning.
And I think they begin at four, possibly 4.30.
And that's when they say the first, they're two morning prayers.
And they begin the chanting of the divine office, which every priest has to recite, but they have to sing it every day.
And then it usually results in their having break.
No, they're going to work.
And a lot of them, remember they make wine.
They make jellies.
They make food.
They make food for themselves.
But suppose the Catholic Church decided we want to practice that.
And at 4:30 in the morning, they rang all kinds of bells on Palm Beach.
What do you think would happen?
Even with the Catholics.
Please, let me sleep.
Right.
Right.
Now, you try to say to these people, little things that can come into your head about what might happen.
I mean, we all know that around Ramadan, we all get warned of the violence that could take place.
We never get warned of the violence that could take place around the high holy days or Easter, unless it's by them attacking.
Right.
So this is, well, we'll have it in a minute.
We're currently uploading video.
It's, you were right, 6 a.m.
The call to prayer is at 6 a.m.
Oh, that's nice.
And so we're going to get that queued up here momentarily.
This is in Dearborn, Michigan.
So I'd be curious, Mayor, and we have a guest next hour that can maybe fill us in on if this is happening in Texas.
I do believe in a few places it is.
I do believe in a few places that it is.
I think that he is trying to literally and figuratively nip it in the bud.
But I think it's beginning to rear its ugly head, including requests for voluntary Sharia courts.
I don't know what a voluntary Sharia court means.
Does it mean that it gets adjudicated twice?
I mean, whatever they want to do, except if it's illegal, and remember, some of their laws in the Sharia aren't illegal.
Capital punishment for adultery, for example, would I don't think be embraced even in very religious Texas.
Right.
Well, here it is.
We want to get the sound on that.
So that looks like my last trip to Qatar.
This is 6 a.m. in Dearborn, Michigan.
So that's in Dearborn.
I I would also certainly be willing to testify those some time ago, and he can get much more current testimony than when I was investigating terrorism in the 80s as the U.S. attorney and as mayor from the day I started, because we were attacked by Muslim terrorists in 1993, the year before I came into office.
A large, large amount of the planning and plotting for terrorist attacks was done in Moss.
Not all, of course, but in many.
So I don't know how you don't have to, if you're law enforcement, have a question in your mind.
Am I saying they all are?
No, I'm not.
I am saying that more than a few are, and it's a problem.
And the entire community has not risen up against it the way it should.
The way in some cases, the Italian community didn't rise up against the mafia at the beginning, and it should have.
And I was able to speak to that with a lot more authority because I'm Italian-American.
But I'm not afraid to speak to this with authority either.
The Muslim community maybe out of sympathy with the group, maybe out of fear, maybe out of just not caring.
Certainly doesn't do enough to distinguish the terrorists and point them out.
And they all seem to ultimately support the they put out.
This whole thing about Palestine, if they were fair-minded people who could see through their ethnic and religious lens, the people of Palestine are starving because Mrs. Arafat is sitting in the south of France, a multi-billionaire, as well as the ones that were in Qatar as billionaires.
We and the Europeans have given Palestine enough money to be Monaco three times over.
And the reason it doesn't get to is that Israel doesn't steal it.
America doesn't steal it.
Abbas does, who's the guy that we consider the best one there.
I mean, there are so many hands that take the money.
The good politicians, the non-violent politicians in Palestine who belong to the Fatah, belong to a major organized crime theft organization.
So there's a lot to worry about when you see that.
And it has nothing to do with prejudice.
It has nothing to do with Islamophobia.
It has a lot to do with being sensible, realistic, and smart and not being intimidated by left-wing bullshit.
And if I serve any purpose at all, it's to protect you against left-wing bullshit because it can get you killed.
So he designated CARE and the Muslim Brotherhood as foreign terrorist organizations.
The courts will probably, depending on if it's a Republican or a Democrat, the courts will either be with him or against him, which is a tragedy because all of the pro-criminal, pro-terrorist rulings in this country largely come from Democrats or the few Republicans who like to suck up.
There's a Ukrainian peace plan, and everybody's kind of excited about it.
And Zelensky says he's going to talk to Putin.
I guess if he isn't arrested, he's going to talk to Putin because that corruption scandal is getting really, really close to Zelensky.
He's going to talk to Putin about it after the Trump administration delivers the plan.
Now, the parts of the plan that have been leaked have to be wrong because the plan is a joke.
According to the description that I have here, it would require Kiev to shrink its military force.
It's a 28-point plan.
Something like cut it in half or more.
It would require Kiev to turn over long-range missiles to Russia or any missiles that can reach Moscow or St. Petersburg.
And those are the ones that can reach St. Petersburg are missiles they're allowed to use and are using.
There'd be a total ban on any international brigades within Ukraine.
Of course, they couldn't join NATO.
They would have to fork over the entire Donbass region, which means they'd have to give up their most secure, their most secure Area that defends that defends them against the Russians and is held for all this time.
And it's kind of based on the Israeli plan, except there is no international peace force that's provided for.
So the plan is, and Steve Witkov has negotiated this with Kirill Dmitriev, who is the head of the Sovereign Wealth Fund of Russia.
That's the wealth fund that can invest in the United States.
The Kremlin denied that there is such a plan.
The U.S. is leaking one.
Where these terms come from, they're in several of the newspapers.
Where these terms come from, I can't tell you.
I can't imagine Ukraine would agree to this.
And I can't imagine what a straight face we would ask them to agree with.
Cut your military in half.
Don't have an international force help you defend.
Take down your single best defense against Russia and turn over your missiles.
You might as well just give them the rest of Ukraine.
Right.
So I am hoping that this is a cruel joke.
Is that Putin that I'm looking at?
Yeah, he's Putin in some military gear.
What's he doing in that uniform?
Let's see what he's doing there.
Just some B-roll of some recent B-roll.
But what are these?
It looks like he's turning out a looks like he's turning out a group of police officers.
You know, when the sergeants stand up, a few people have ever been in a police station or there used to be that Hill Street Blue.
Oh, very good.
Hill Street Blue thing.
The only show that I really remember was quite realistic about the police precinct.
Because police precincts do that two, three times a day.
All the policemen get together and the sergeant, the desk sergeant, stands up and gives out all the assignments and also asks for questions.
Like we have a complaint here, we've got a complaint there.
Look at that.
It does look funny, right?
Those are the top generals, but they kind of look like they're in a school classroom or something.
Dude, they need to space them out more.
He's leading them all.
See?
I would space them out more.
They look too, you're right.
It looks like a bunch of cops.
Yeah.
So this was President Putin in military uniform during a meeting earlier today.
What was he doing?
This is him meeting the top Russian official.
There's a stray cat.
Look at that.
Four blocks from the Kremlin.
Go left, and there's a straight cat.
This isn't having.
Look how close those guys are together.
Those tiny desks.
Look at that room.
But look how far away they are from him.
Oh, yeah.
And look.
He's very observant.
He has to look.
He has to look all the way to the other side.
What is going on here?
What's he doing with his wrist?
Maybe he just got a blood transfusion because he's dying.
But this is, I guess it shows him in military.
You know, it looks like he's kind of, is he taking more of a military posture against Ukraine?
Of course, Zelensky has rejected this drafted plan.
That's our understanding.
Let me get it.
Zelensky has rejected this plan.
Yes.
I mean, how could I, okay, you're being how could Zelensky possibly accept this plan?
How can you accept a plan to give up half your military, take down your defenses, and turn over your weapons to the people who wanted to?
I'm telling you, why go through the bother?
Just give them the rest of Ukraine.
Better wording is that Zelensky has agreed to negotiate under President Trump's peace plan for Ukraine.
But I don't know, Ted, maybe I'm reading this article wrong.
I'm going to read it to you.
It's in the post.
The 28-point.
Well, it begins with, the deal is riddled with unacceptable provisions.
It would in part force Kiev to dramatically shrink its military.
The 28-point program calls for Ukraine to make its army 2.5 times smaller than its current army.
It would force Kiev to turn over long-range missiles, or, this is in quotes, or any kind that can reach Moscow or St. Petersburg, close quotes, and put a total ban on any international brigades within Ukraine.
It would also target NATO, requiring Ukraine to ban allied countries from keeping any military aircraft in Ukraine.
It would require them to turn over the entirety of the Donbass region, including the territory that Russia hasn't been able to take.
It's modeled on the Israeli plan, but it leaves out any kind of security for Ukraine, like there is a very, very large program of international security for Israel.
And it was negotiated by Kiro Dmitriev, who's the head of the Sovereign Wealth Fund of Russia, and Steve Ritkoff.
And Dmitriev told Axios: we feel the Russian position is really being heard.
Heard?
There is no other position.
There is no other position.
Ukraine gets the secession of the war for now, having opened it up itself to a much easier attempt by, I mean, they fought for two and a half years and have held Russia to where it is.
In the last two years, Russia hasn't moved more than 10 miles one way or the other, which means they're not going to be able to move 10 miles one way or the other with another million people.
This plan would give it to them.
I mean, you might as well just give up Europe.
I mean, next will be Latvia.
Don't they know who Putin is?
Well, the Ukraine has struck using ATACM missiles this week.
These are the missiles they would have to give back.
And they've hit targets inside of Russia.
And they did it as an unwavering commitment to their own sovereignty.
They hit the southern city of Voronezh.
Russian officials said they intercepted them all, but there were no other additional details.
So I imagine the Ukraine did that as a statement that they're not going to give up their weapons.
So we'll have to stay closely attuned to that.
I looked for some other versions of it to see if this was wrong.
Some other versions of it didn't have details.
And I looked for a I looked for I looked for what I looked for some leaks on what was in it for Ukraine.
And frankly, I couldn't find anything.
So at first, Zelensky and his team were very seem to be caught off guard Tuesday when this plan first emerged.
But on Thursday, he struck a more conciliatory tone.
Who?
Zelensky.
With the Secretary of the Army who is visiting over there.
And he's in a lot of trouble.
I mean, he's got to be.
This is a very bad time for him to be making any kind of decisions for his people because his business partner has just been caught.
He hasn't been caught.
He's a fugitive.
His business partner has been caught in a plan that has been suspected for quite some time, which is massive kickbacks for a lot of that money that we sent to them.
Might explain why they weren't as successful as we thought they could be.
And the reason I become very suspicious of that man there is I know he's a criminal and I know he's been sitting and a big one.
And I know he's been sitting on unbelievably damaging information that is very necessary for both his government and our government to finally become honest.
In other words, high-level corruption of a systemic nature involving the compromise of their president, our vice president and president.
He's got all the information.
That could prove it all.
Except he's hanging on to it.
So every time he looks at Biden, he could say, hey, Joe, want me to put out the other pictures of Hunter that haven't been put out by Giuliani?
Or how about the actual bank records?
Hmm.
You know, I got them all.
And by the way, the guy who was my patron was the major illegal money launderer in Ukraine.
You know him.
You got a lot of money laundered to him from you.
Zolomoyski.
But I don't think your government has all those records.
I do.
Right.
Why do you think Trump treated him like a shit when he first met him?
Hard.
It's hard.
It's hard.
You have to.
I am enormously sympathetic with the Ukrainian government.
I don't want to see Russia win.
I would reject this immediately if I were them, if I were advising them, or advising our government, I'd say, don't insult them by offering.
We shouldn't let Putin win.
We should give him more weapons and we should give him, maybe we should get him the hell out and get somebody there who's honest.
And maybe and maybe what we should have done at the very beginning is put an accounting program in place, a review program in place to make sure that the money's getting to the front lines.
Not too late to do that.
Okay, we'll be right back.
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Americans are being told: if you can't afford groceries, if you can't afford your house, that's listening to Nick Fuentez complaining about the money we send to Israel.
Now, I'm preparing a podcast on him that'll be out hopefully tomorrow.
I think it'll be definitive.
But this particular one is sort of interesting.
Within the same podcast, he says, because he doesn't pay attention to anybody that talks that much doesn't pay attention to themselves.
He says at one point that it's outrageous that we give Israel $3.9 to $4 billion a year in foreign aid.
And now he's claiming that within, you know, just a little while, it's gone up during his talk.
He's talking up to $20 billion a year.
Right.
And the foreign aid that we give to Israel is $3 to $4 billion a year.
I could give you lots of examples of a lot more than that, but how much have we given Ukraine?
I mean, the lowest amount that you'll find, which is not true, is about $150 billion.
Trump says it's about $500 billion.
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