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Oct. 6, 2025 - Rudy Giuliani
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America's Mayor Live (771): Mayor Rudy Giuliani Endorses Curtis Sliwa for Mayor of New York City
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This is Rudy Giuliani, and this is America's mayor live.
No, we are not in Dover, New Hampshire.
We've moved.
No, we are not, as it appears, if you can recognize it, that's supposed to be New York.
Uh in New York City.
But we're going to talk about it.
We are in Palm Beach, Florida, in the shadow of Mar-Lago.
That's what we are.
But we're going to talk about New York because frankly, I am concerned more than I ever have been before, including when I ran for mayor of New York City, uh, when the city uh was in some ways in worse shape, but not heading in quite as bad a direction.
Uh I'll explain that to you.
Uh when I ran for mayor of New York City, I did it because I had been United States attorney in the Southern District of New York, and I had uncovered in a in figuratively everything that was wrong with New York City.
Uh I know organized crime is the thing that usually is associated with me breaking up the mafia of uh the five families, uh, the I I prosecuted hundreds and hundreds of Sicilian Mafia members, some here, a lot of them in Italy.
Uh we broke up Wall Street twice with the two major Wall Street cases, maybe ever.
Uh we prosecuted so many political uh criminals that uh nobody in politics liked me except the people.
Uh and they were uh fairly an equal number of Republicans and Democrats.
Um we prosecuted terrorism, and I prosecuted two Nazis who had uh murdered in one case 20 uh million or another 30 uh um 20,000, I'm sorry, and 30,000 uh Jewish people, uh, and sent them off to their uh reward, which was execution.
Um we took over the Teamsters Union and transformed it uh from uh the mafia to being a uh fair and square union.
We took back Las Vegas from the Mafia, uh the um Fulham Fish market, all of sanitation in New York, really all of New York.
Well, there was a point at which I thought, since I knew everything was wrong with New York, including the street crime, which I prosecuted a lot of, because I worked intricately with the local authorities, not like now that the Democrats do, at war with the federal government, as if we're having a civil war.
I thought, well, maybe I could straighten everything out, and everyone told me I couldn't win, can't win.
They gave me these books, New York cannot be governed.
One was my smart Harvard Law Professor.
I didn't know then that Harvard was a shit college.
And um, I read the books, it's discouraged me.
And long or short of it, I ran.
Ran the first time in 889.
I lost in a very, very close election.
Uh I decided I might run for governor.
I got a great vote in New York, the highest vote any Republican had gotten since LaGuardia.
Higher than Lindsay, who had become mayor and then quit being a Republican.
Uh, but Lindsay was such a terrible mayor.
Uh I mean, that he had to become a he had to become a Democrat and an independent.
He got chased out of the Republican Party.
And then Dinkins was such a terrible mayor.
It was virtually demanded that I run.
And I did run, and I won.
And I was more successful than I had any thought that I would be.
And I left the city to uh to Michael Bloomberg, and I'm not gonna give you all the statistics because not about me, but it has just been described in a hostile uh newspaper as uh probably the most glorious 20 years of New York City for me to Bloomberg.
Uh and Bloomberg had his share in it, but I did the hard work of changing it.
New York City is now considering uh voting for a follower of a Satanist, a hater, a vicious, vile, insane human being called Karl Marx.
And he is uh doing it as a pretty much an avowed communist and a member of the Democrat Socialist Party of America, one of their most prominent members, which stands for everything evil.
I won't outline all of it, but the things that would relate to New York would be arrest Bibi Netanyahu if he came to New York City.
He will, without any doubt, defund the police.
He's already voted for defunding the police.
He has called the New York City police department racist.
I ran it.
A cousin who died and friends who died in the New York uniform, you bum.
You better get down on your hands and knees and apologize for calling them racist, you bum.
This man doesn't belong in America.
He is naturalized.
His father is as big an American hater as he is.
He prefers Islamic extremism over America.
He prefers Marxist communism over America.
And he is the leading Democrat candidate for mayor of the greatest city in the world.
This is an outrage and a sign of what could happen to us if we don't fight for our liberty as Jefferson told us we should.
And we don't fight like they do, those creeps and bums in Portland.
We don't fight violently, we fight with the power of our ideas.
Because the power of ideas come from the greatest men and women who have ever conducted government in the history of the world.
Our American forebears.
So we're down to two candidates.
The incumbent mayor, who was the lowest on the list at 8%, below 10%.
No need to comment on him.
He did bad things.
He did good things.
He did in between bad things and good things.
But the populace has had him for four years, and 8% want to re-elect him.
Overdone.
He did the right thing, he dropped out.
Now we come down to the former governor, Andrew Cuomo, and Curtis Slewer.
The former governor is the son of the governor in the past, Mario Cuomo.
But he also is a governor who resigned in disgrace, who resigned in scandal, a sexual scandal, which is of questionable merit, and a scandal regarding the death of many, many, many,
many elderly people who were put in nursing homes who didn't belong there, and extremely disingenuous statements by that guy, that candidate, about why he put him there, and trying to blame it at times on Trump, trying to blame it on the government, trying to blame it on anyone else.
Here's the answer.
Blame it on him.
It's well over 10,000.
The families can tell you, they're out there.
They tell you this man shouldn't be anywhere near anything having to do with the lives of other people.
They have someplace else they want to send them.
He's run a terrible campaign.
He lost in the Democratic primary to this unknown 33-year-old guy who virtually has never had a job, comes from a very rich family, uh cheated his way through school, couldn't get into a good school, seems to be very, very charming, very cunning, and very dumb, intellectually inferior.
Every time he tried to get into a good school with all of the claiming he was black when he was white.
He couldn't get in.
Mine.
Curtis Slewer has been a hero for New York from the time almost he was born.
I know him almost since he was born.
I remember when he started the Guardian Angels.
I was the U.S. attorney and the police, my wonderful police, they weren't so wonderful then because they've been tortured, didn't like him because they were embarrassed.
He was doing what they should be doing.
And the mayor used to go after him, coach.
And I used to protect him.
And when the Gaudis tried to kill him, they tried to pretend it wasn't true.
I went to visit him.
And I've been his friend since then, and he hasn't let me down.
And he is not a vigilante force.
Shame on you if you say they're vigilantes.
They don't cause trouble.
I can't think of them ever causing trouble.
They they are restrained and they stop trouble.
There was a time on 47th Street Restaurant Row when the police wouldn't do anything, the nobody would do anything.
This helped maybe mayor.
That they went in and they cleaned it up.
And I went there and congratulated them.
And during the eight years I was mayor, I found them to be a massive help, not just in keeping crime down, but in straightening out the lives of kids that would go bad.
They are now in Ulva countries.
The man has run a massive organization.
They see him as the guy on the street who protects them, and they love him for that.
They wonder, can he be a mayor?
Can he govern?
Can he manage?
He runs an international organization.
That's one of the best in the world.
You're damn right he can govern, and now I'm gonna put him on, and you're gonna get to meet him.
And by the time you're finished, you're gonna send him money and you're gonna work like hell for Curtis Slewer.
I almost feel like I'm passing the torch on to you to save New York, Curtis.
I am.
Here's the torch.
But when people, Mr. Mayor, ask me, all right.
Uh look at the candidates.
There's three of you left.
Who is Zorhan Mandami?
Oh, he's a smooth operator.
He must have learned from President Barack Obama.
Smooth.
Likeable, affable.
But people don't really know him.
So I say, think of Bill de Blasio on steroids.
The left hates the Blasio, the right hates the Blasio.
Andrew Cuomo failed governor.
He is the author of No Cash Bell that has turned all these criminal sleuths in the streets, raised the age to 18, and he wants to close Rikers Island, which would create a crime epidemic in New York City, which he already did in the state of New York.
So then you look at Curtis Sleewa and they say, Well, who are you?
I say, think of Rudy Giuliani 2.0.
I learned from the best.
And I remember we would have sessions, and you would explain to me how you put together Comstat, how you forced so many of the agencies to be responsible, to be transparent.
And when they weren't doing well, you were there to lift them up this way that people could actually derive benefits from city government.
And we certainly improved enormously under you.
So I did my apprenticeship under you.
I was your intern.
Remember, I was on.
Absolutely.
You were there all the time, Curtis, particularly when it times got tough, you were there, including 9-11.
You know, I'm just a few blocks away from the old crony uh that you ended up locking up.
You had to go to Bridgeport to uh actually try him, Stanley Friedman, the old Bronx County boss, when corruption was ripe throughout New York City.
They moved the trial to Bridgeport, and I remember you told me after making the closing arguments you left, he said, Ah, I lost that one.
Turns out by the time he got to New York City, he was found guilty on all the charges because political corruption is now at the epicenter of what's eating into New York City.
Do you know when you ran against David Dinkins?
I used to chastise you and say, You're on the Liberal Party line of Ray Hardy.
And I said, but David Dinkins is the Democratic Socialist of America.
He was DSA before There was AOC, before there was Bernie Sanders, before there was Zorhan Mandami, the socialists love David Dinkins, and you were able to rescue this city from the DSA, which could have gotten very strong then.
They got weaker, and then because the moderate Democrats didn't fight for their power party, Rudy, they turned it over to the socialists, and now they gotta leave it to the Republicans to save this city because the Democrats, they just can't do it.
And Andrew, the last person to do it.
Curtis, yeah, uh, the city in numbers, if we just look at numbers, is not as bad off as when I ran.
But when you win, you're gonna have a harder job than I did.
And there are a couple of reasons for that.
The numbers don't tell everything.
And uh it may be that the crime situation is really, really uh bad, but you have a good formula.
Uh, I don't just mean mine, mine and Kelly's, and to put into place.
You'll get that quick.
But it's the politics of the city now.
You've got a little bit of a political uh uh difference than I had in terms of I mean, I don't understand them.
I don't I don't understand who they are anymore.
Of uh a guy like Mandami would have been laughed out of existence when I ran for mayor.
So how do you and you can have a city council that wants to allow uh uh uh illegal aliens to vote?
How do you deal with all that?
Well, you know, Rudy, the difference is I remember watching you and how you got all the DAs together from Morgan Thor in Manhattan, who was an institution to duck down, they called him D.A. Brown and Queens, some of the other DAs.
He remembers everything, and you got them to cooperate in terms of prosecuting according to what the law called for.
You had Peter Vallone Sr., who was the speaker of the council that brought Democrats and Republicans together, and you were able to work with him.
And although you agreed to disagree on some issues, the basis of law and order and public safety, you had them on board.
And because you had the cooperation of the city council of the DAs, you were able to push forward with your initiative.
Now, one thing I learned, as you know, my two youngest sons, uh, I raised with Melinda Katz, who is now the DA, Democratic DA, and she was a city councilwoman, she was in charge of land use, and she used to tell me, Curtis, the way you get the attention of the city council people, no matter what their politics, discretionary funds.
They have projects in their districts that they gotta bring home to their constituents.
Don't be greedy.
Go into their district, just say, I need one vote.
This is the one vote I need.
I'm gonna help you get what you need.
So you're gonna be Mr. Big or Miss Big in your district, and it works every time.
Now, Eric Adams, he wouldn't do that.
The only time he would come into the district if they were cutting a red, a blue ribbon and opening up a nightclub, and then he'd be there to the break of law.
He was Jimmy Walker, you know, uh on on steroids, and then Bill de Blasio was too busy on the back porch of Grass Gracie Mansion when you and I used to sit, but Bill de Blasio would be smoking Maui Wawi and Hindu Kush doing puff pop pass with Charlene.
So that's why that's why Zorhan Mandami is dangerous because he'll put 20 hours a day into destroying the city, as you know, Bill de Blasio, he'd have to take a nap, uh, he'd have to rest.
He never really did anything for the city at night.
Well, you know, uh, what you're saying is exactly the way to run a city or a country.
And I what you're talking about, I learned from Ronald Reagan.
I watched him work with uh Speaker O'Neill, and I watched him uh go into districts and help Democrats who no Republican would ever help, and then all of a sudden, secretly they would show up you uh for votes.
You may remember this particular council member.
There was a council member, uh Hispanic, uh very anti me, very anti, very left, voted against me all the time.
His father died, but I kind of liked him.
I used to talk to him all the time.
I went to his father's funeral.
All of a sudden, Randy Mastro comes up to me and says he's gonna endorse you for re-election.
Yeah, are you crazy?
He said, No, uh, mayor never Went to his father's funeral.
I mean, these are the little things that if you're a politician in the right sense, meaning bringing people together, you understand.
And uh, Curtis, you've got it, you got the natural talent for it.
Now, how do we get this message?
How do we get it out?
Really out because it's so obvious that you're the bet the better choice.
I I told you this when we talked the other day.
I've had an incredible amount of pressure from Republicans to support Andrew Cuomo.
And I will uh explain to you.
Um whether we win or lose, we gotta go down fighting for what we believe in.
Not like a not like a bunch of little whores, you know.
You know, Rudy, the other day I visited uh the monument that was set up to John Paul Jones, father of the U.S. Navy, that my father took me to in Bay Ridge before he'd ship out.
He was a merchant seaman 50 years, and he told me how in 1779, he goes, America, we were getting our butts kicked by the British.
John Paul Jones takes a frigate off the coast of England, gets surrounded by a British warship, and the admiral off the bow tells him it's time to surrender, or we'll put you down in Davy Jones' locker.
And John Paul Jones's men were saying, we must surrender, Captain, we must surrender.
Remember those famous words when he went from Starboard to bow, and he said to the Admiral, I have just begun to fight.
And overwhelmed, they not only won that battle, but they took the British warship.
And when you go to Annapolis now, he's entombed there, and you see the words, I have just begun to fight.
The issue in this campaign is affordability and the cost of living, no doubt about it.
But right there, side by side with it is public safety and quality of life.
And it's it's miserable here in this city.
Part of the reason that so many people are fleeing.
In fact, they're going to Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas, Tennessee.
I have to stem that flow.
My whole principle is improve, don't move.
And with the support of you, Rudy Giuliani, that resonates with every Republican in the city of New York.
I say to them, Andrew Cuomo, the author of No Cash Bail that is a disaster in New York State.
If you were to give him the keys to City Hall and Gracie Mansion, the criminals would run him up.
No Rikers Island, raise the age.
You cannot provide public safety and law and order if you're pro-criminal.
Rudy, we live in a city now where we lock up toothpaste and we don't lock up criminals.
That's gotta stop.
And we have to name and shame these TAs like Alvin Bragg, who turned these criminals loose, that Eric Adams refused to do when he was mayor, and Andrew Cuomo will refuse to do because he fears being indicted by the most powerful district attorney in America in Manhattan County, as you know Morgenthal was for many, many years.
You know, at the very beginning of Adams' administration, I asked Bernie Carrick two questions.
One, uh, why doesn't he take on Bragg?
Bernie now departed, said, because Brad could indict him.
I said, You mean for nothing?
He said, No.
I said, Well, what's gonna happen?
He said, Uh, Adams won't make four for four years.
He said, 'Count uh uh look, I was his boss, I know him.
Uh go take a look at what he did in Brooklyn.
You'll find out he ain't gonna make it.
Well, he's gone.
Let's not talk about him.
But the reality is that how can Cuomo do anything about the laws that he passed?
We can Cuomo was gone, so we tend to blame it on Hochel and Bragg, and the guy who passed these laws is Andrew Cuomo.
But the worst thing are the old people that he won't apologize to, that he won't admit that he's blaming it on everyone else.
You know why?
Because he can do it again.
He can do it again.
A guy who is that perverse can do it again.
You know, there's another impediment, Rudy, and this is the interesting one, because when you went to the wake for Bernard Kerrick at the cathedral in Paterson Where he was born and raised.
You passed me three times.
You didn't even know it.
You, your aide-de-camp Ted, Dr. Marie.
I had my beret off because you have to take it off in the Catholic church.
You went back and forth.
Bo Didal went back and forth three times.
Didn't realize it was me.
I'm not sure if none of us knew mayor.
My friend, I'm not sure I would have recognized you on the show if you showed up like that.
Only my only my mother and my wife Nancy would have.
But it just goes to show if this is what prevents people from voting for me.
And you know how important this is to me.
It represents six guardian angels killed in the line of duty, three dozen seriously injured, and a worldwide organization where we have volunteers all over the world.
If taking this beret off means you would vote for me for mayor, I make this promise to you, the greatest mayor of our lifetime.
I will never wear the red beret again if you elect me mayor.
Curtis, I'll elect you either way.
And also, I look at the Green Beret differently than people do.
There are people, there are people that have associated it with vigilanteism, because that's been the that's been the bad rap on you.
I associated with saving young men and women's lives.
Yeah.
These kids were not going out.
These kids were going out just being monitors.
I remember from day one when you first brought them out.
The cops tried to turn me on you.
And what I said was, if these kids weren't with Curtis, they'd be going holding up stores.
The thing you should be proudest of, really, not only the people whose lives you saved by doing it, but the kids who you saved.
And not only that, Rudy, as you pointed out, Ed Coch, who eventually became my friend.
Of course, he's a big supporter.
I should have mentioned that.
Yeah.
And he said, Well, the Guardian Angels are like chicken soup.
It can only help, it can't hurt.
But boy, there was a time he was having me locked up.
I know more about Rike Asylum than any other candidate because I get locked up out there.
Let me tell you a story about Bernard Kerrick, the greatest correctional commissioner we ever had.
Had about 18,000 inmates in your system, not just Rikers, but you had the jails in the boroughs.
You had barges that were the remains of the Koch administration.
When tough guys would come in, gangbangers.
The rule was you had to give up your timberlands, your boots, you had to give up your Nikes or your Pumas, and they'd give you a pair of Air Giuliani's, which were skippies painted with orange fluorescent paint.
Let me tell you, the toughest tough guys in Rikers was suddenly like a bowl of old meal.
He knew, and I can't, I'd lectured on Rikers Island.
I taught in the high school.
I did programs for WABC, even before Bernie, you appointed Bernie when Aponte would have been the state senator for Dinkins, was there.
She would call me up.
She was so overwhelmed.
What do I do, Curtis?
Uh about the Rock, Rikers Island.
I said, This is not for you, Aponte.
You were not developed to be the chief of the Department of City of New York.
He was, without a doubt, he had complete control of Rikers and the other jails.
There was respect for the correctional officers.
The inmates were protected from the uh sort of Darwinian, the uh other inmates who would take advantage of them.
And I'll tell you what it's like now.
Most of the correctional officers who have the toughest job in the city, Rudy, they work 12-hour shifts.
It's a perpetual 9-1-1 call, are women of color.
They get sexually harassed, sexually assaulted, and there are no consequences for the male inmates.
Some of them, MS 13, Trinitarios, Bloods, Cribs, and they house them all in the same unit, which empowers them.
Imagine they assault the women, and then they're put back on the same tier.
And these women, many of them single parents raising children, just have to deal with this over and over.
What happened to the Me Too movement?
I guess women of color working.
No, they don't belong in it.
Well, Curtis, we're gonna take a short break, but you can you stay with us?
Because we want to do that.
Oh, absolutely.
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I applaud you, Rudy.
We'll be right back with the next mayor in New York.
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Welcome back.
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
This is the Rudy Giuliani Show, and it's the Rudy Giuliani special, really, And we are announcing our 1,000 100% endorsement for Curtis Lewis for Savior of New York, not just mayor of New York, but Savior of New York.
And he's been explaining, you know, some of the issues.
We are momentarily waiting for Carl to join.
Well, when Carl Campanille joins, he's gonna question us both.
So we get a third party involved in this, and then we may have a surprise guest at the end.
But uh Curtis, so tell us now how do people donate to your campaign and or volunteer for your campaign.
All they do is go to Sliwa for NYC.com.
That's S-L-I-W-A for, not the number for F-O-R-NYC.com.
Got it.
Tomorrow is my second best day, because I will be sitting on the first baseline of Yankee Stadium, your old spot there, right near the dugout, mayor.
And I'll be cheering on our Yankees who are two down to the Toronto Blue Jays.
And I'll be putting on the in Italian, we have this word is I would have a cup of coffee of yours in the morning.
With Ubi Scared, the uh Malukia, the curse on Vladimir Guaiero Jr., whose father was one of the greatest baseball players of all time.
I always thought that George Steinbrenner Sr. would get him.
Remember, he hit 450 home runs.
He batted 318 his father, and he had a gun in right field when he played for the Expos in the Angels.
I remember.
And his son boy has his jeans.
We got to get Aaron Judge to hit the big one in Stanton, who's just gone quiet.
So I'm going to be putting the hex on the Toronto Blue Jays and cheering on our beloved New York Yankees because it's do or die tomorrow night.
I'll be sitting with Nancy.
I would be with you if I didn't have my bad my bad back.
Well, I know, but I have who loved David Wells, number 33.
She spent a whole summer going to Yankee Stadium.
You know, a Mr. Softy truck out in Lake Round Concama and Wine Dance to afford to go to Yankee game.
She loved David Wells.
Well, David Wells, when David Wells pitched his perfect game, I called him up after.
And I said to him, I said to him, David, it's traditional.
You come to City Hall, and he said, What happens?
I said, Well, usually I give the player the key to the city, but in your case, I'm not sure I can trust you.
And Rudy, one last thing.
Rudy chose me to be the MC at the rally for the Subway Series 2000.
Bryant Park, Met fans on one side, Yankee fans on the other.
I hate the Mets.
And remember, I was just viciously attacking them.
Your deputy mayor said, get Curtis Softy.
He's gonna cause the riot.
And you told him he's exactly right on this.
And we went on 4-1 to win the World Series G to MVP.
Oh, that felt so good.
Can I give you some advice about that?
So when I became mayor, they wanted me to wear one of those hats, you know.
Yankee Mets, Yankee Mets, Adams wore one.
He got all kinds of booze for.
And I and Koch used to wear that, but Koch didn't know baseball.
So he didn't even know what he was wearing.
Koch thought he had a soccer hat on.
So I'm I put it on and I say to my my people, you know, the Met fans are gonna get annoyed, but but they'll vote for me because they'll respect me.
And first time I show up in my Yankee hat, oh my god.
I I go to Shay Stadium, they're booing, they're yelling, they're calling me names.
However, I got more votes very often in Med territory than I did in the Yankee territory.
They never ever because Mr. Mayor, true baseball fans respect that.
If you're a Met fan, you hate the Yankees.
Yeah, you don't want me to bullshit you.
Exactly.
And you were always true to that.
I'm always true to that.
When I'm campaigning outside of City Field, you know, giving out the cards.
So what are you doing here?
You hate the Mets.
I say, yeah, but you're voters, and I need as many votes as I can get.
In the middle of us is the great New York reporter, Carl Campanillo.
Carl I just uh I just made clear what was probably pretty obvious that I support uh Curtis uh sleewe.
Um we want you we want you to question us, make observations, whatever you want.
There's nobody that knows New York better than you do.
No, thank you.
Thank you for having me.
Uh Mayor Rudy, and good to see you again, Curtis.
Um I was wondering because I know you mentioned you got to stand on principles.
Um, and you mentioned uh, you know, the and I guess you were surprised about the number of Republicans who were trying to um encourage encourage people, uh in the business community and some Republicans try and encourage people to vote for Cuomo instead of Curtis Flea, who is the Republican nominee, right?
And and Curtis, by the way, there are people running under him on the ballot, right?
You have people running for counsel.
So if he were to like withdraw from the race, that could hurt other Republican candidates.
Is that right?
One of you guys want to address that.
Go ahead, Curtis.
The answer.
Yeah, uh, there are so many good candidates who are running for re-election.
Vicky Paladino is a powerhouse.
Joanne Ariola, and especially Christy Mamarado, the sister of Mike Grandino, the Bronx County chairman.
The first time in 50 years, Rudy and Carl that the Republicans won a city council seat in the Bronx, and I'm supporting it.
We're fighting every day in the streets of Morris Park and up in Frog's neck to get her re-elected.
If they don't vote for me and go down the ballot and they go hunting for Andrew Cuomo, which Carl, you've seen the ballot.
It's like a maze to find Andrew Cuomo.
You think they're coming back to finish the rest of the ticket, the answer is no.
So that's why we have to make sure we get Republicans back home and they vote the line from Curtis Lewick right on down to the judgeships.
Mayor Rudy, have you spoke to President Trump about the race, Chris?
The one thing is kind of surprising in how the president, for whatever reason, seems to be undermining uh Curtis Lee was campaign.
Well, I don't think I don't think he is.
Uh if he was, it was inadvertent.
Uh I don't think he had focused on all of the possibilities in it.
You are right.
There was a tremendous movement to get Republicans to support uh uh uh the Cuomo.
This and the theory was not against uh uh uh Curtis.
Uh uh they didn't even think about Curtis.
They looked at the numbers and they said, oh, this guy is at 20 something, the other guy's at eight.
Well, let's go that way.
And Cuomo is a well-known name, and they pushed it that way very, very strongly.
I are I argued back that Cuomo was at his maximum.
I I think there's a lid on Cuomo.
He's not gonna go any further than wherever the hell he is now, and he's gonna go down because people have things against Cuomo.
Big things, big big things.
Uh people on uh on Curtis, they either like him, or they don't know much about it.
So Curtis has a much bigger upside.
Finally, whether we win or lose, we have to go down with the party.
As you pointed out, your question was excellent.
We got to fight.
Suppose we get this guy's on Dami.
We gotta be ready to fight the next day, and we got to build a party to do that, which means we got to get young people elected.
We have to have Curtis around as a symbol who fought the fight.
You know, I lost the first time.
So you have to, you have to stand on principle.
You can't move so far away from your principle that our what is our little party, Republican, that's grown actually since Curtis ran and my son and other people, Zeldon.
We got to keep growing it and we got to stick with it.
We got to believe in it.
And if we were gonna go for a Democrat, we should go for a Democrat, you know, who who's kind of like halfway far away, not a Democrat like Cuomo.
We sell ourselves out.
I'm sorry, I hate to use the word, but we are New Yorkers.
When we support someone like Cuomo, we look like a bunch of whores.
Um, you did vote on the you did you did endorse cross endorse another uh Cuomo, right?
When you were mayor.
Different situation, and boy, you got me good on that one.
But uh that was a situation in which people did a lot of that.
I was elected with the support of Koch, Carrie, the former governor, and Cuomo virtually endorsed me.
He put out the Degente report right in the middle of the election to kill Dinkins.
So he didn't support me verbally, but I'm not gonna say there was any agreement of any kind, but he helped me get elected.
Plus, I was very worried about the um people around Governor Pataki.
I proved to be wrong.
I I thought he had too many people who were dishonorable and frankly crooked around him.
It turned out he didn't take their advice and they didn't become quite that important.
He turned out to be a great governor, but I made that in good faith to save the city.
He promised to save it for me.
Pachaki wouldn't promise.
Um, I know you mentioned a couple issues before when you when you opened the program before Curtis came on about uh some of the reasons that you were backing Curtis and you had issues with the the way Governor Cuomo had handled the uh uh the COVID outbreak with um the I guess the uh the order of discharging uh uh COVID positive patients who were treated uh into the nursing homes.
Um and I don't know if you mentioned uh the bail law or I know there's some a lot there are a lot of folks who are opposed to the congestion pricing, the new congestion toll to get into uh the the Manhattan business district or those issues that you have uh you know you have major problems with Cuomo as well as with the um obviously resigned you know following the sexual harassment accusations.
Oh, absolutely.
I mean, uh my my point.
I mean that though it's disqualifying.
I mean, what what is what disqualifies in your mind?
What disqualifies Cuomo uh from being elected mayor?
I would say uh what happened with the uh with the elderly people, puts it in the category and not explaining it, puts it in the category of we're starting to talk about not just politics, but not being a complete human being.
Um the responsibility for the bail laws, the underage laws.
How about the following, which I neglected to mention?
This is the one that I get angry about every day because I have uh relatives on this list and close friends.
Uh, since he changed the parole laws, 48 cop killers are walking the streets of the city of New York in just six years.
That's a uh a few too many cop killers for a guy who wants to be mayor to put on the streets.
How the hell is the New York City police department gonna follow him any more than Mandami when he's putting out on the street people who kill cops?
We we usually give these guys who are cop killers sentences in lieu of the death sentence because they're never gonna get parole.
Cuomo completely changed that on a scale never heard of in America.
48 cop killers that you let out, Cuomo, is a little too much to have on your conscience.
Okay.
I think Carl, on that note, with the death, thank God.
I celebrated the death of Joanne Cheshamard, aka Asada Shikor behind the sugar cane curtain of Cuba.
They gave her sanctuary.
She was the leader of black liberation army.
Their goal was to destabilize and declare war on America by killing cops.
His parole board released many of the black liberation army members who had killed valiant New York City police department cops.
Their families can never forgive him.
He seemed to want to do that to show his sort of his liberal progressive credentials.
He thought as a liberal progressive, it would earn him a pathway to the White House.
That's why he went so far to the left.
No cash bail, raise the age, close Rikis Island.
You know, I knew Mario Cuomo, who was our supporter when Rudy was.
Andrew was no Mario Cuomo.
Andrew is no Mario Cuomo.
I think you could agree with that, Rudy.
Oh, what there's I knew it back then.
You know, Andrew, way back in the Cuomo campaign.
Shall I use the phrase?
You're gonna vote for Cuomo or the Homo.
It was on Austin Street.
What do you think?
You think uh Andrew Paul was responsible for that?
No, I didn't say that.
Oh, but I'll tell you is that Ed Kosh said he was.
Yeah, I said I don't know.
I have no idea if he's responsible for it.
But Ed went to his deathbed believing it.
And the same guy who managed your successful victory campaign, David Garth, managed John Lindsay.
Remember the 16 I Mets, he wasn't a baseball fan either.
Oh, you could have grace still highs in the match.
I wouldn't mind having him back now, though, right, Carl.
We could have uh him him or him or Roger Ayles, one or the other.
But it was David Gard who convinced Bess Meyerson to act as if there would be a wedding in Gracie Mansion between her and Ed Carr.
Now we're doing New York history was elected mayor.
Curtis, now we're doing you New York history.
Carl, you know, you do a great job.
That was a brilliant strategy.
Brilliant strategy.
And the issue that year, because remember, 1977, you had four candidates.
He continued to run Mario Cuomo is the Liberal Party member against the Democratic nominee at Taj.
Barry Farber, great talk show host, who had run against Bella Absog and lost for the congressional seat, and the heir to the X-Lax fortune, who is a Rockefeller Republican, the state senator there.
They had 12 debates.
Remember?
And Gabe Pressman was the moderator.
12 debates, some of the best debates that I ever saw.
And it was great for the voters who eventually chose Ed Cotton.
You know, you know, uh, Carl, the thing that people don't realize about Curtis, uh, which I I knew because I've known him, as I said, since he was a kid, but he is very substantively well prepared to be made.
They think of him as you know, the guardian angel.
He saved us, he helped us.
Most people appreciate that.
Some of them get as far as the Guardian Angels is beyond uh uh just a protection group.
It's also a group that helps these kids have a decent life, and he's done that for thousands of kids all over the world.
But what they don't get to is this guy is a real scholar of the city.
Uh he and I, when I was mayor, could sit down and talk about what we're talking about now when we were on ABC together, we could talk about what we're talking about now.
He has a real knowledge.
Sometimes he reminds me of things I did that I don't remember.
We get a good civics lesson here.
Yeah, yeah.
And then you need a mayor like that.
Well, you know, Carl, I apprenticed with Rudy.
I was his intern.
I watched what he did.
I learned I asked questions and shut my mouth and listened from the best.
And that's why when people ask, how do you describe yourself?
Like I've described Joan Mandami as Bill de Blasio on steroids.
I am Rudy Giuliani 2.0.
If you need that to identify, I learned from the best.
I will apply many of his strategies.
He will be my consigliary.
I know Rudy is always a phone call away if he's not in the city itself.
And his advice is always spot on because he understands the times now are different than when he had the cooperation of city council with Paul Vallone Sr. and the cooperation of the DAs, like Morgan Thor and ducked down DA Brown in Queens.
Totally different, and he understands it, and he would give me advice in terms of how to deal with that.
Well, thank you very much, Carl.
I appreciate it.
And I wanted to tell you how much I enjoy your columns.
They really are excellent.
And very often they're very often filled with a lot of New York history.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
Hey, what other questions are you gonna be cut?
Are you gonna be uh coming to New York and stumping with uh Curtis?
I'm gonna try to.
Right now I'm limited in travel, or I'd be at the game tomorrow with him because of my broken back.
It's healing.
I don't have to wear my vest, as people see right now.
Good.
And it may be in about a week that I'll be able to travel.
So we'll we'll see.
Will we be cutting ads?
Uh I will.
Absolutely.
Any ads that he wants.
I'll even I'll even support the other guys if he wants.
All right.
Take care, Carl.
All right, thank you.
Thank you, Carl.
Curtis, I should tell you, Andrew was gonna be my special guest.
Now you're gonna love this.
We just got a little note, he got called into the West Room.
No, the West, the West Wing, the West Wing, not to be confused with the West Room.
Wow, you should really be proud of Andrew.
I'll have him on tomorrow night.
He he, I have to also tell you on the inside, as the battles were going on.
But I got I gotta tell you when we were in Ryan.
I don't know if he talked to you, but he's been battling he'd be talking.
He was calling me to ask for you know points to make.
He's been he's like a been a one-man army that turned people around in there, and he has.
Oh, yeah.
No, no, he's been my best ally on the hill there, and with the year of the president and the year of his staff, because a lot of them really don't know me, Rudy.
They really don't know.
Of course they don't, they know you as a media figure, yes, not not necessarily bad, but not necessarily serious enough.
Correct.
And that's why enough time like this, and and they answers all those questions.
That's why I appreciate your son Andrew, who you remember I campaigned with as you did for him to become governor.
A lot of people don't realize Rudy ended up getting stints at the end of their campaign.
I remember sitting there with you, you could barely breathe.
You were spinning.
You gave one of the most impassioned speeches for your son at the end of the campaign on Staten Island that I've seen, and I've seen some of your best speeches.
Thank you.
That was my give one for you.
The love that you have for your son, Andrew, and boy, what a great political future that he's you got the two Giuliani's for better or worse, okay?
And we'll be making use of his Curtis.
Thank you.
A great interview with Dr. Maria, by the way.
This is the October surprise for the Curtis campaign.
The interview last week with Dr. Maria was fabulous.
Fabulous.
Take care.
Give my love home.
Thank you, Rudy.
Now there's the mayor of New York.
Do you think Mam Dani or even Cuomo could recite New York City history the way Curtis can?
There's no way.
No way.
You know, they they talk about Mondami being charming.
Mandami is a phony.
He's phony charming.
I could pick him out in a second, having prosecuted so many phonies.
This guy's really charming.
You know why?
I'm gonna tell you why he's charming.
You know, you know what's charming?
A real guy.
Somebody you're not sitting there thinking, oh, is he this?
Is he that?
Is he this?
Is he that?
Is it this guy's gonna tell you what he thinks?
What he thinks is smart, what he knows is all about New York City and government.
Where are we gonna find somebody like that?
That ain't gonna happen, as they say in Brooklyn.
Well, we're gonna we're going to be, as you can imagine, spending a lot of time on this election.
Uh, this is the this is how you how you get to him.
I don't know if they can they see that, Ted?
They can read it, please, because it's backwards.
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He has got to get what you saw out.
I am telling you, it's not too late.
It is not impossible, it is difficult.
We have to uh we have to analyze this, and I did on both sides.
Are we better off losing endorsing Curtis than we are with Cuomo winning?
Well, you say, well, we save ourselves from Zondami.
However, last time Cuomo got pushed by the same communists, he went right up their alley, did everything they do.
He passed cashless bail, he passed letting cop killers out, he passed letting you know 15-year-olds and 16-year-olds and 17-year-olds and 18-year-olds kill 10 people and be prosecuted as little little babies.
He passed strict uh uh injunctions on uh DAs to turn over discovery so criminals went free.
He passed letting people out of jail en masse.
You know why?
Not because he isn't himself, maybe somewhat moderate, but he's not a man of principle, and you put the pressure on him, and he becomes as left as Mandami.
So what am I getting?
If things if things remain uh uh one way and Nobody pressures him, he'll be okay.
Or he may just in the middle do a big switch on me.
Or suppose he loses, which is more likely, then we go down giving up our principles.
And why my fellow Republicans want to do that, I do not know.
The history teaches that you defeat an alien philosophy that's evil, like theirs is, by remaining consistent to a virtuous philosophy and building up the adherence to it.
And sometimes losses bring you people.
My loss in 89 brought me more people because I remained consistent.
I didn't go change and try to act like I was Dinkins.
I pointed out why they were wrong, and he played right into it.
Trump, when he lost, haha in 2020, didn't change his position.
He stuck with it.
He didn't go endorse Democrats.
He stuck with America first.
And he proved the superiority of it and the righteousness of it.
All you do when you do that is convince people we play games for politics.
That it doesn't have to do with their livelihood.
It doesn't have to do with their life and death.
It doesn't have to do with the good of their children.
It has to do with whether we win or lose.
This is about a set of ideas that we want to put in place in government that will change completely the direction of government.
I began my analysis way, way back when I was running for mayor, or even thinking about politics.
When people would tell me how bad New York City was, I would say New York City isn't bad, and it is, it's the worst city in America.
2,000 murders a year, millions on welfare, people killing people in the subway.
It's not like that by accident.
New York City is made up of human beings.
Human beings made it this way.
The human beings who made it this way are known as virtually 170 years of Democrats.
There are other human beings.
They have other ideas.
If you give them a chance, like you should do in a democracy, Maybe they can change it.
Well, they did and we did better than ever before in history.
And now Trump is doing it.
So let's give it a shot with Curtis.
And let's go down fighting for what we believe in rather than sucking the backside of the people who are destroying us.
Please, my fellow Republicans, get the hell off Cuomo's ass.
Act like you believe in something.
You do not believe in a man who either consciously or negligently cost the lives of thousands and thousands and thousands of elderly people because the nursing homes contribute money to him.
You really believe that wasn't the reason?
Why don't you come and see me and debate it with me?
I'll put you on the show.
Any one of you Republicans who wants to explain to me how you can support a guy who, through negligence or on purpose, got all those old people killed, you come on this show.
And when you leave, you tell me if you still believe that when I show you who his biggest campaign contributors were and how they were losing money.
And how he's done that over and over and over again in his unprincipled career.
Wouldn't you rather lose with a philosophy that's consistent?
That we can stand up the next day and fight for?
What are we gonna do the next day?
Fight for Cuomo to come back so he can kill more old people after he loses.
No, we're gonna stand up the next day and say we made this progress on trying to break New York of the Sickness of the democratic stronghold on it, which is virtually 170 years.
I was only the third Republican mayor in a century.
We're gonna redeem New York for not having voted for Abraham Lincoln, and we're gonna make it Republican.
And here's our next step.
As this guy governs, we'll win.
You want to follow my career?
That's why I was mayor rather than governor.
Well, we want you to go over to Dr. Maria because she has a great show tonight.
And she will relieve you of having a look at my face.
You'll get to see it really preface.
Just a couple of quick things.
China is buying Iranian oil.
And they're doing it by making uh swaps.
So they're not using money, they're using a barter-like system to do it, and then they exchange the money halfway.
We should catch up on that, split it down the middle, because now China, China, China is just about it for Iran.
Just about it.
I think we've cut off India.
I think we've even uh cut off uh a couple of the uh little players, particularly with the snapback sanctions, which have the European countries, or most of them, some of them are cheating, but some of them aren't, and uh they are at the point where we're getting close to extinguishing them.
Uh the Chicago police were ordered not to help our immigration uh agents when they call for desperate help.
The Chicago police commissioner denies it.
If you watch him in his interview, which I don't know if you have time to play, but you will see he's lying.
If you're any good at measuring human behavior and listening to his language, if uh federal authorities call for local help, and they are denied local help, the person who denies them local help should be arrested.
And I hope that the Chicago police commissioner is arrested.
We have got to get serious.
Lives are at stake now.
There is no excuse, none, none for any court to stop President Trump from putting the National Guard into Portland where they beat the shit out of ICE agents because the police don't stop it.
Same thing in Chicago.
There's no reason why he shouldn't put in the National Guard to protect his federal agents, because the police are ordered not to stop it.
What are they?
Just uh targets?
The agents of the United States of America.
Do you know we have something pretty close to a secession going on?
I know nobody wants to say it.
When when you got federal agents who are in danger, and the local authorities tell the police not to help them.
What government uh do the local authorities belong to?
Haven't they violated their oath of office?
They take an oath to the Constitution.
Now, if they're gonna do it once or twice or regularly, have they not seceded from the United States?
Doesn't Sanctuary City in and of itself indicate a secession from the United States?
It always has.
We just go, oh, well, we don't want to deal with that because we need a pussy.
There are bounties on immigration officials.
Bounties.
The cartels and the terror groups are putting bounties on immigration officials.
In uh in Ukraine, Russia has gone all the way over to Lev and there uh yesterday, which by the way is 43 miles from Poland.
Now a nose of one of their damn planes goes over the Polish border.
I expect it to be blown to smithereens, just a nose.
The little nose of the stupid Russian plane gets over the Polish border, have that border all set up, and blow them the smithereens.
43 miles from Poland, they're bombing Lev.
They kill five people, they injured 10 people, all civilians.
That's what Lev is.
It's a civilian community.
They are not gonna take Lev under any set of circumstances.
It's so far away from Tedesk, and this is just gratuitous murder by a murderer.
Vladimir the horrible Vladimir the mad murderer.
Vladimir, the man who likes murder.
There is no reason to be hitting Lev.
None, none, none other than gratuitous murder.
Just want to make sure I got everything covered here, and then we're gonna go over to go over the Virginia's governor's race.
I think we covered that in the first show, but I want to point out to you that you got a twofer there.
By a twofer, I mean you got a you got a um you got a governor named um uh Abigail Spanberger, who uh uh uh yeah, candidate, who is uh refusing,
refusing to take a stand on whether Richard Cox, a biological man claiming transgender status, who repeatedly exposed himself to women and babies to children in Northern Virginia, including in Fairfax and several other counties, uh, whether they have any intention of prosecuting him in Fairfax County, Fairfax County, all Democrat, one Republican, four to one, no prosecution.
This guy's already a sex offender.
Picture, no prosecution, let him walk around, let him keep doing it.
He hasn't done enough bathrooms yet.
He hasn't shown his penis to enough little girls yet, you Democrat creeps.
People want the state to spend, Step in.
Spamberger would do.
You know what Spamberger is at?
Thank you.
Yeah.
Governor out.
Now she's got a lieutenant governor.
What's his name?
Murderer Jones?
Jay Jones.
What?
Jay Jones.
Yeah, Jay, Jay likes to kill people, Jones.
And then what did he do?
He's caught he's he's texting members of the state legislature how he wants to kill, and it would be okay if a Republican legislator and his whole family were to die.
So that's the choice for Lieutenant Governor.
Uh, one wants to protect a uh serial child molester, the other, and then she wants to protect a lieutenant governor who wants Republicans murdered, and she's leading by 10 points over Winston Sears, who's a fine candidate.
How about we change that one around, ladies and gentlemen, and in New Jersey?
Oh, come on.
We're gonna run for the cheating cadet, they're gonna vote for the cheating Democrat cadet.
No way, who cheated, didn't graduate with her class in Annapolis, lied about it, lied about it, went and voted uh to honor uh uh Charlie Kirk and then came home and condemned him as a racist.
That's a two faced cheat.
Big time.
Her two children just got into Annapolis.
And from a school in which they have hardly anyone that ever gets into Annapolis.
I wonder how that happened.
Oh jeez, question.
We just wish for them a better future than their parents.
You know, we'll get into it tomorrow.
But it may be that their parents, the two kids that got in, and we will not hold the parents' sins on them.
They may have two parents that possibly cheated at Annapolis.
We're gonna have to find out about a husband.
Her husband has an interesting career.
See, one of them graduated with the class and one didn't.
Both were in the cheating scandal.
And the question is, she's saying she didn't graduate the class with the class because she didn't rat out other people.
But he was also involved in the scandal.
And he graduated.
So did he rat out the other people?
Show us the files.
Or is it the opposite?
Is it the opposite?
And we won't know unless she shows the files, and we can't trust her.
Because that's the that's just a smart, that's the best defense you could make, right?
And also, why would the Navy let either one of them in?
I don't think Secretary of War Pete Heggseth would let that fly.
Somebody who cheated on their final exam at Annapolis, we're gonna let them in the United States Navy.
And then what do they turn out to be?
Crooked politicians.
That's what you get.
You end up with a crooked politician.
Well, we had a great time with Curtis.
For me, it's like among other things, old times, but there's too much at stake for me to be relaxed.
I am glad he's gonna be at that Yankee game uh tomorrow.
Very jealous that I can't be there.
Uh I am enormously confident that they're gonna win.
I don't even have the slightest bit of nervousness about it.
We go back to Yankee Stadium, they may never they may never see the ball again.
How about Carl?
I meant to point this out with Carl Campanille in a nice nice addition tonight's show.
That's a nice edition.
He was taking notes.
He's like an old school journalist.
Did you hear him and clip in the paper?
He takes notes all the time and he writes about everything.
He's probably gonna write about what the set looked like.
He's gonna write about it.
He's fabulous.
He's a f I meant to point that out when he was on.
We gotta have Carl on more often, you know, on other subjects.
You know, he's rather, he's rather pro, he doesn't just cover New York anymore.
He's rather prolific in what he covers.
Here's here's the indoor here's the um We got it up on the site.
Here's the thing.
I urge you now to go to um uh to go uh to Lindell TV Lindell TV, and then I urge you to get um Maria's I think it's Friday's interview with Curtis.
It really is good as good or better than ours.
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