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July 31, 2025 - Rudy Giuliani
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America's Mayor Live (724): Interviews with Alison Steinberg, Mike Lindell and Andrew Giuliani
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Allison with us live, which we've never had before, which is great because we're here in Washington, D.C. And we're here.
You know, I can be here now because for four years I was avoiding Washington because I didn't want to be in leg irons.
Like my friend Peter Navarro was put it.
I knew that they had ones with my name on it.
So I will move over here for a minute as we bring Allison in with us.
And we have on the screen right now the top priorities and accomplishments of the president's big beautiful bill.
So take a look at that as we that's going to be a whole show then.
Oh, yeah.
If we do that.
Discuss here.
Come in, Mark.
I feel like I'm so much taller than you.
I mean, it's kind of, it's kind of amazing, actually, what he's accomplished, isn't it?
Oh, here we go.
I'm going to be short.
Yeah, it is amazing.
There's so much, so many crazy developments on this bill.
And every, and it's every, it must be really fascinating covering that place.
It is fascinating.
Yeah, it is.
I hear so many crazy things, mostly from the Democrats who are always out trying to scare everyone into their ridiculous beliefs.
I hear all these Democrat members of Congress, you know, doing these ridiculous interviews.
And I'm just over there laughing.
Like, does anyone buy into this?
This is madness.
Well, so tell us about today, Allison.
What's going on at the White House and in Washington in general?
Because the White House is sort of the beautiful bill.
Of course, the House is.
Yes.
The Big Beautiful bill is the talk of the town currently.
So as we know yesterday, it did pass the Senate.
That was big news by it was a tie, actually.
J.D. Vance had to come in to break the tie.
So it wasn't Pence, huh?
Thankfully not.
But yes, J.D. Vance was the tiebreaker, 51 to 50.
So very, very slim majority there, as you know.
Now, there is a lot of controversy today on the Hill because though it did pass the Senate, which I initially thought was really good news, I thought, okay, we are going to meet this July 4th deadline, right?
Which is what the president wants.
So we should all be rooting for that as well.
However, today, in researching this further, I've realized that the Senate actually made a lot of substantial changes to the bill that may not be so great.
So this is very alarming.
Is that going to jeopardize a majority in the House or is it a parliamentarian who will say it violates the reconciliation, all the crazy rules they have on reconciliation?
That's a great question.
And he's a Democratic plant.
Yeah, that's true.
That's a good point.
But right now, where it sits is the fiscal conservatives and the Freedom Caucus are very, primarily, it's this group that is very upset about this because ultimately there's an additional trillion added to the debt ceiling now, which wasn't in the original form of the bill when it passed the House.
So the Senate managed to cram that in.
And so now fiscal conservatives are very, very upset.
And I think there's 10 holdouts currently that are saying they're going to refuse to be a yes vote on this until we get this back in order.
So I think the majority of the day today was spent with President Trump meeting with the Freedom Caucus and fiscal conservatives to try to win them over on this, but I think it might be a tough sell this time around.
Yeah.
And I think there's a restriction on how much they can change.
Yeah, I think that might still fit his reconciliation.
Yes.
And 51 votes is enough in the Senate.
Yeah.
So I thought you did a very good interview.
I've forgotten the senator with Kevin Kramer.
Yeah, you pushed him on AI and that very, that's what happens when you do one of these bills.
I bet nobody really knew about that, that that was there because it's so dangerous.
I know.
That was one of the hidden provisions, which, you know, historically conservatives have never liked big bills for this reason, right?
Because then things get hidden in there and they get buried and you never know what's actually in there.
And, you know, we found out with this AI.
That's the way you were.
Nancy Pelosi said that's the way you're supposed to do it.
It's not right.
It's not right.
The founding fathers must have.
You can't know what's in a bill until it's passed.
That's why we've been so successful.
Famous last words, right?
No, that's true.
She did say that.
And so that's why I was a little disappointed with the big, it's a very big bill.
But, you know, there are good things about it, no doubt.
But this AI provision in the big beautiful bill is not good.
And I'm so grateful that I had the opportunity to talk with Senator Kevin Kramer and we started talking about it on your show and it really started gaining some traction.
I actually got to talk to Speaker Johnson and ask him a question about it.
So once that conversation started going, I know Steve Bannon was also very vocal on this.
Once people started realizing the detriment that that could cause to the country, word got out.
And so it turned out, I was hearing initially they were going to take it from a 10-year moratorium down to a five-year moratorium, which in my mind, I'm like, hmm, five years from now, it's 2025, five years is 2030, agenda 2030.
We can just trust them all to do it.
We can just trust them all to do it however they want to do it.
Exactly.
But no, the amazing news that did come out of this is that the Senate actually nicked the AI provision entirely.
So it is no longer in the bill at all.
So this is the same thing.
If Democrats could do with AI what they wanted to, they'd never have to put up another Biden again.
They could just create the candidate.
It's shocking they're not in favor of it, isn't it?
Well, probably the AI candidate would get a president.
Yeah, the AI candidate would actually be substantially better than Joe Biden.
That is a fact.
But yeah, Democrats, interestingly enough, are very against the AI stuff.
They're, you know, they're viewing it more from the angle that it's going to like take away jobs, which I think there is some truth to that, actually.
I think there's a lot of dangers with AI.
And ultimately, my fear is that, you know, it's going to build this beast system that we read about in the Bible and ultimately create a digital surveillance state.
And are we unknowingly cheering on our own demise?
And the ability to create tremendous frauds on people by creating human beings, what appears to be human beings.
They call them deep fakes.
What are they called?
Deep fakes.
Deep fakes.
Yes.
That's very, I mean, it's frightening.
It's really scary.
It's also something that it, like anything else, that could be tremendously useful.
Yes, it could be.
It's saving lives and it's enormously Useful in warfare.
Absolutely.
I mean, there was a terrific article in one of the magazines about how ultimately it's not going to be the arms race.
It's going to be the AI race.
That's right.
You could have all the arms in the world, but if you have AI that can just disable them, then you're the kid.
Well, even Putin said whoever is the leader in AI will literally rule the world.
And it's true.
And it's an important issue because we are in an important AI arms race, so to speak, with China primarily.
I think they're our biggest competitor in this.
There's an article today in the Wall Street Journal saying China is catching up.
But if you read the statistic carefully, we're still way ahead.
I think so.
And I think one of the hidden benefits of Trump's election is it didn't get that far.
I mean, it was going in that direction of China catching up on it.
But one of the first things he did is bring in the major chip company from Taiwan and mix it chips to the supercomputers.
So we're going to have it made in America now.
That's right.
And he's gotten a lot of tremendous amount of investment in AI.
One of his accomplishments that no one pays enough attention to is all the money he's brought into the United States.
Oh, absolutely.
It's like he's got the most successful fund in the world.
I know.
It's amazing, isn't it?
I mean, he's just had such a long list of incredible accomplishments in such a short amount of time.
Yet, of course, you got the Democrats finding everything in the world wrong with him, making up false fake news that isn't even true just to bash him.
I mean, I think that might be changing, though, because I saw today CNN actually was forced to give him credit on the lowest gas prices in eons.
I don't know how long it's been.
We're supposed to be in, we're supposed to be inflate big inflation right now because of the tariffs.
Yes.
And inflation is down to.
And we're supposed to be in almost a recession.
That's right.
And the stock market just hit a record.
Yes.
Is there anything that Democrats are right about?
That's a great question.
That is a really good question.
I heard actually Kara interviewed Tom Homan today at the White House, and he made a great point.
He said he's doing fantastic work, but he said, if you ask a Democrat, what's wrong with tightened security at the border?
What's wrong with reducing rapes and murders from illegal aliens?
What's wrong with tightening up security in America and actually building a wall, right?
He said, they actually just like stare at you with a blank look and they can't really compute.
They can't figure out an answer.
So I think he got him stumped on that one.
Well, you do a great job of covering the White House and it's a full-time job because you come in in the morning and by a half hour later, the story's all different, right?
Oh my gosh.
I find that, you know, I go to bed at night and I start thinking about what I'm going to cover the next day and I wake up and the whole world has changed.
I know.
Isn't it incredible?
Just don't even waste your time.
It changes in the blink of an eye every day.
Well, thank you very, very much.
Thank you.
But I want to ask you one general question about the White House.
It should be, is it a happy White House?
Is it happy?
Yeah.
I mean, I remember, I remember, I mean, the Biden White House was dysfunctional.
Yeah.
But Trump always made it a kind of optimistic place.
Yeah.
There was so many investigations.
And I was there as his lawyer.
I mean, anytime I'd show up at someone's desk, I thought I had a subpoena.
I'd show up at the desk and I'm not here.
I'm not here.
But we were, we were, having been a prosecutor and running an office where all we did was prosecute.
Yeah.
I think I dealt with more prosecution representing Trump than I did as a U.S. attorney.
Every day, he was getting prosecuted.
Somebody's getting subpoenaed.
The White House counsel had five more subpoenas that had to be answered.
And it was amazing that he accomplished that much.
I mean, in the first term.
Yeah.
But they've had such great accomplishments.
They should, I was in the Reagan White House and the first, that was a very happy White House.
Was it?
Yeah, but he was a very, even, even when he was in trouble, he was, he was a very, he was a real happy warrior.
Yeah.
Well, you know, I think, I think the Trump team is pretty incredible.
I mean, what they accomplish in a day is really amazing.
Sometimes I just get, I'm there and I'm just in awe of like what is going on in front of my face.
But it seems that the administration is very happy.
It's the media and the fake news that's there that is so miserable.
And they try to make everyone else miserable along with them.
But you know, it's funny because when Trump did that press briefing the other day, it was his first one in the new term, right?
You notice that some of these fake news outlets that, you know, play this part of being so angry and so bitter.
And, you know, the TDS is just erupting from their eyeballs.
Even they were like so excited to try to get a question with Trump.
You could just tell he lightens up the room and it's amazing to see.
So maybe the tides are turning and things are looking up.
They even seem more under control than they were the first time around.
They even seem to be better behaved than they were under Biden.
I mean, they're like being in charge of an out-of-control kindergarten.
That's a good analogy.
I think Caroline does a good job.
She has kind of the personality that keeps them down a little.
Oh, yeah, she keeps them in shape.
She makes them a whoop bad.
Yes.
Exactly.
They don't want to be embarrassed by Caroline.
Well, this is something you're going to, all your life, you're going to remember covering the White House.
No matter what, all the wonderful things you do in the future, you're going to remember that.
Absolutely.
It's been an absolute honor and a privilege.
And thank you so much for all that you do.
You're a legend.
So we appreciate you.
Well, we're going to take a short break and we'll be right back.
We'll be right back.
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Well, welcome back to the Rudy Giuliani show on Lindell TV.
Right on.
In person.
He was over at the White House today, so he'll have a couple of stories, but he won a big, big case last week, a really big victory, big victory for free speech.
That was a big victory for the country.
My pillow, 100%, no matter what you're seeing on the fake news, 100% vindicated.
And even myself, which we're going to go after on Peel Park, they said Mike didn't do anything malicious or whatever.
And then the media is out front, you know, because Lindell TV, we couldn't talk, right?
We couldn't talk.
No, they wouldn't let me talk outside of the courthouse.
And I'm going, I go, are you kidding me?
You're putting me on restriction.
The judge puts me on this restriction.
You know, this corrupt judge puts me on a restriction.
And then here, here, all the fake news media is out there.
They go, no, did you learn anything?
I said, you're a traitor, too.
I said, but they, but they would play stuff in there.
You know, I got served on the steps of the state capitol of Colorado suing my pillow, you know, with this law affair going on.
And so what am I going to do?
Right before I'm going to go speak.
What was Mike Pillow sued for?
Because their CEO, ready?
Now, we're still sued for billions from the other machine companies that all rhyme with Dominion and Smart Manic.
But anyway, so they, but they, but they, these guys, they're sued.
Now, you guys get, wrap your head around this.
This was an elaborate marketing scheme by their CEO, Mike Lindell, to make money off promo codes defaming the voting machine companies.
And I'm thinking, let's see.
That's Mike Lindell.
You got the poor pillow.
That's right.
No, but think about this.
They didn't do anything.
But they didn't do anything.
So the thing about this, Smart Manic sued me a year later after I had already lost, my pillow had already lost $200 million in retail stores.
$200 million.
You know, just so anyway, here we are.
So they sued for that.
I'm going, you know, this isn't rocket science.
I'm a pretty good marketer.
I think I'd quit digging if I was there if it wasn't working, right?
So anyway, this is the last thing he said to the prosecutor, everybody.
He goes, I mean, the prosecutor, the other side said there was Dominion lawyer, Smart Maniclaw.
They were all in there.
I had so many lawyers, I couldn't even believe it.
And for the pending case.
And he says to the jury, you talk about free speech.
He says, he says, here's his closing statements.
He says, well, he says, jury, you've all heard that Mike Lindell was worth about $50 million before this all started.
And now you heard his net worth is $10 million in the hole.
And my pillow is hurting.
And he says, you've heard all that during this trial.
But he said, we're asking for $60 million.
You can go more if you want because that's what they said.
Then he goes, he goes, and he goes, if it bankrupts Mike Lindell and my pillow, so be it.
We need to send a message to the country that you do not put out disinformation about our elections.
That's what he said to the jury.
I mean, you can't make that up.
I'm going, what?
You know, lucky, you know, fortunately that we're blessed with a jury that's seen through the common sense, you know, and vindicated my pillow 100%.
Can you imagine being an advertiser and they're going to come on my show or whoever's show?
And they get sued because a host said something?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's 1984.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It really is.
What they do.
They accused me of what they do.
It was like a miracle.
And then I'm out there with all this talking about free speech.
So I go uptown and my wife and I go to the going to a Walgreens and that's when they had the big protest going on, right?
The king thing or whatever it was.
The ding-a-ling-ping thing, right?
Oh, that's the president's.
Yeah, the president.
Yeah, no kings or something.
So here they come.
Here they come by the thousands.
I just walked out of Walgreens.
She's still inside.
I go, and I'm right, you know, kind of like Ted.
I'm right in the front row there.
You've seen me.
So I budge up right to the front.
All of a sudden, they see me.
This one lady had a bullhorn.
It's the pillow guy, Mike Lindelo.
And I really thought they were going to tear me apart in pieces.
I mean, you know, I've had guns in my head, swords to my throat.
You read my book, but this was different.
I go, oh, maybe I better leave that.
There are no cops around.
And there's thousands of them.
So I jump in there.
I go, hey, Kenny, we better go out the back way.
He almost got killed three or four times at the Democratic Convention.
He thought he was going to get me killed, too.
It goes right in the middle of the Democratic.
Imagine this guy going into the Democratic Convention.
By shape, my mustache.
I didn't think they knew who I was.
Very close.
I just appreciate you took a little heat off me.
It was over here.
Leave the batter alone.
Let's get the pillow.
It was fun at the White House today, though, when I was just telling you with Tom Honger and the care was there.
And she goes, here he comes walking in.
She goes, boy, I'd like to get an interview with him.
I said, he's a good friend of mine.
I said, I said, hey, Tom.
So he comes over.
We haven't seen each other in a while.
And I said, would you mind doing it?
Do you have time to do a quick interview here on Lindell TV?
He says, sure.
All the other networks, you should have seen the jealousy coming.
They're all filming us, filming him that are waiting.
And he walked right by him.
Well, he's a great interview, too.
Oh, yeah.
It was a great interview.
I was at Homeland Security, and I am actually amazed at how much they accomplished to have the border down to almost nothing.
I knew they were going to do it.
It's amazing.
But I predicted it would take a year to two years to do it.
I used to do this kind of work.
It's ridiculous what they've done.
It's ridiculous.
Well, it's the words travel too, so you don't have people trying either.
They stopped.
And I like that, you know, watching them down at Alligator World or whatever they were doing yesterday.
Great idea.
Can you imagine these people thinking of coming in illegally?
If it doesn't work, we'll end up in El Salvador, the worst place in the world.
We'll be in the middle of alligators.
But it was funny because Christy Noamker, she says, she goes, you know, this is a warning.
You guys, go get, go deport yourself right now.
And I think they're doing that.
She says, deport yourself now so that you can come back legally sometime.
And I think people are doing that.
I really do think they're doing that.
You know, that's a great, that's a great, that's great advice for a person who is not a criminal exception.
Right, right.
They came in illegally because they decided or whatever.
But I think it's yeah, but I think it's working to that extent.
And I think it's also working to whether people aren't even trying now.
There's some fear factor.
There has to be some fear factor.
The deterrence factor has worked.
That's why it's happened so much.
It's the perception.
I think it worked in the election, too.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think the fact that there was so much scrutiny in the prior election, we wouldn't give up.
Here's what I think.
I think it kept them shooting down.
Yeah, here's what I think with the election.
And you can, it's my theory.
And I was actually telling this to a bunch of people up at the White House today.
If I was going to give you China virus 2.0 before the election, we wouldn't have done the same stuff.
We would have said, I'm sorry, we're not sitting outside eating lunch in snowbanks like we had to do in Minnesota.
It would have been all different.
We're not going to fool us once, you're not fooling us twice.
Election crime 2.0.
If they would have stolen it from our great president, people would have demanded.
It wouldn't have been just you and I and a few others saying, open up those computers.
Everybody would have demanded.
They would have melted them down on the spot.
I think the general public would not have tolerated that.
Check computers?
Would you actually look at paper ballots?
Do you know that we never said no one representing Donald Trump ever got to see a single paper ballot in Pennsylvania?
700,000 without a Republican allowed to inspect it.
So if you wonder why I might be somewhat questioning now, and same thing in Georgia to this day, Georgia would keep recounting the votes.
And I would keep saying they'd always get it wrong.
It would be different.
But it was the same group of cheating votes and they were recounting.
Nobody ever got to look at the paper.
Is this real paper?
Is it a machine?
Because you could, is it a machine to check this off?
Right.
Or not.
Why would they hide it if there's nothing to hide?
It's exactly right.
And it's exactly right.
And I'm telling you, in this last election, there was at least nine congressmen and two senators stalled.
They didn't go.
If I was their market, I said, you know what?
We can't steal the presidency because they're onto us already.
We're just going to have to put up with a couple of years.
We'll steal it back in the midterm.
That's why it's so important right now, as we speak in these next 10 months, before even the primary is in the midterm to secure our elections.
And we're well on our way.
I want to tell people, there's so many places now that we actually have paper where there's not going to be machines, but all it's going to take, to me, it's a few places because you have that.
And then if they're over here and they steal with the computer, the deviations are going to be so, you know, so blatant that it'll be just like, you know, if something's wrong with your bank account and you go and it doesn't match what you show, you go to the bank and where did they look?
They look inside the computer and see if there's a mistake.
You know, with computers, it can just be mistakes too, not necessarily malicious.
But they check it out.
They say, here, oh, yeah, we found out, you know.
But the only thing we found out, it was a zero.
Somebody typed it in wrong.
You know, at my trial in Colorado, I brought up all kinds of deviations.
I'm going, you know, here's a lady that got zero votes in her own precinct in Georgia, a Democrat in a primary.
And her and her husband and her daughter are in that precinct.
I swear, this is what I said.
If they'd have gave that lady three votes, they gave her zero.
If they'd have gave her three, you know what they would have said?
Oh, Crooked Brad Rasenberger would have said, I'm sorry.
Nobody loves you but your family.
You only got three votes.
You only got three votes.
But Brad had to go open up the machines because he got zero.
And you know what?
They called it a programming year.
Why are you programming our elections?
They called it a programming year.
Oh, it's a machine glitch.
I mean, what?
Well, then why are we using them?
You know, so that's what I'm thinking.
Congratulations and keep going because all I want to be.
It's the only case, by the way, that went all the way to jury trial.
Everybody else has settled because their insurance companies say, you know, you better settle.
You know, this is all the money you're getting.
Or they're afraid of just going, you want to go bankrupt?
You want to go, or you want to, you want to be attacked so much that your business is destroyed like my pillow, you know, what they've tried to do.
And I'm going, and then that media outside there, you know, when they got out there, well, are you going to quit now talking about getting rid of the machines?
And I go, absolutely.
And then I told them a long time ago.
I told him I said, we're going to be very much recycle them and turn them into prison bars.
And they played my tape in that thing, you know, for their evidence.
I guess on one of my shows, I said, you know, I always hit Brad Rasenberg and Robin Boss.
I said, and we're going to put them all behind bars and they're going to be grabbing those dominion bars.
Let me out, let me out.
All right.
Thank you.
And good luck tomorrow.
Yep.
Thank you, Mayor.
He's got another meeting at the White House tomorrow.
And we'll report on what happened.
Then we're going to take a short break and we'll be right back.
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Hello.
Welcome back to the Rudy Giuliani show on Lindell TV.
Mr. Lindell has had to go off, but I have with me Andrew Giuliani, who is in charge of overseeing the FIFA program in America next year, which is going to be, I think, the security challenge of the century.
So we're going to begin talking about that.
Tell us exactly what you're doing.
Oh, by the way, it's my son, Andrew.
Well, thank you.
Your favorite son, but it's a low bar as I'm the only one as well.
Yeah, look, I'm very honored to be the executive director of the White House's task force on the World Cup.
The best perspective that I like to give Americans and American football fans like ourselves is about 130 million people will watch a Super Bowl.
That's a lot of people, right?
Yeah, yeah.
About 2 billion people watch a World Cup final.
So it makes the Super Bowl look like it's not all the games.
Just the final.
When you add up the entire games, you're looking at somewhere around 8 or 9 billion viewers over the course of the tournament.
They'll watch some of the early games.
Yeah, absolutely.
Depending on who's playing in there.
And then as it moves along, it gets bigger and bigger.
Yes.
Yes.
And when you think about this, it's not just one city.
It's not just one site.
You're looking at the entire continent, right?
This is the United States will host 78 of the 104 games.
Canada and Mexico will host 13 games each.
You're talking about 11 sites.
78 games.
78 games.
And those 78 games by the U.S. government will be treated like the Super Bowl.
From a security perspective, these sites, the way they ultimately utilize federal coordination teams, the way they'll move out the perimeters on there, it'll be treated just like Super Bowls day in and day out.
So over a 39-day stretch, you are stressing the resources.
And remember, this is also over the 250th birthday of the United States of America.
There'll actually be a game in Philadelphia on July 4th, 2026.
Games on the same day in different places?
Yes.
Yeah.
You'll have on some days as many as six games in the same amount.
Now, thinking about it, 78, that's half a baseball season.
Yeah.
But it's coming.
It's condensed.
That's exactly right.
Month and a half.
That's exactly right.
So it's even as much as a baseball season.
Yeah.
And it's been fascinating to learn about the infrastructure of it because you're not just learning about one location.
You're not just learning about one fan group.
You're learning about the entire world.
You're also learning about the entire continent.
There are different challenges in Los Angeles, as you can imagine, and working with the governor and mayor's office over there, which is very unique, versus Texas and Houston and Dallas, which is probably a little more amenable to the Trump administration.
But then it's also the base camps, right?
You think about some of these places, the night might not be host sites, but Providence, Rhode Island, they might be the place where Argentina draws to be their base camp over 40 days.
There are different issues.
In Texas, there are issues, and then it wants to.
Absolutely.
You got to make sure they have water in the fire.
You've got it.
You pretty much have it down over here.
But it's been fascinating learning about it.
One of the things that's going on right now, there's a smaller tournament called the Club World Cup.
That's going on now.
It's going on right now.
We've had 56 of the 63 games that have been played.
I'm thankful to report there's been no major incidents.
There's been no major visa issues.
We've been able to vet through all of the players, the personnel, everything without there being any major incident.
I think this is one of the things that's been very clear from President Trump, Vice President Vance, from Secretary Noam, who you're with today, from Secretary Rubio, to all the different members of the cabinet that are on the task force.
We want to open up the country to the world over our Independence Day for this, but we're not going to sacrifice our national security posture.
I think that's very, very important.
And that balance is very important.
But thankfully, we have a very good team to be able to work it.
And I've got a guy who knows a few things about security that I can give a call to.
And you've been at a World Cup.
Yes, that's right.
In 1994, people feel your first year in office.
And the CAS had the World Cup in 1994.
That's right.
That's right.
And we hosted the semifinal game.
That's right.
Italy and Bulgaria.
One of my favorite moments was watching Italy and Ireland play early on in that tournament in the Meadowlands.
And you think about it.
That could have been really dangerous.
Oh, yeah.
And you think about how many Italian Americans, Irish Americans are in the New York area, just how exciting it was for that area.
And that's kind of what this will be next year.
We get the security right.
We have the visa side of this, right?
The transportation side of this, right?
It's going to be an amazing cultural legacy, an opportunity really to invite the world here to the United States of America, celebrate the greatness of the 2001 years of America and the hope and promise of the next 250 years.
Oh, that's terrific.
That's terrific.
Except it's possible that New York City will be a New York City will be a communist socialist regime by that time.
Yeah.
Well, that's true.
And we can get into that if you want.
And the numbers and the numbers right here, but you're absolutely right.
The good thing is that you'll be able to go into grocery stores and supermarkets and you won't have to pay anything.
Yes.
Well, which is the way they're going to reduce it.
I figured out that's the way Mundumi, your dumb, dumb sounds closer.
That's better.
Mundumi works.
That's the way he's going to reduce crime.
He'll take theft down to nothing because everything will be given away.
I was actually dealing with this in a stadium and I utilized broken windows and your theory on this in terms of a fan base was heating up in terms of what they were doing from a pyrotechnics perspective.
And they said, well, we just need to let them, we need to let them cool down.
I said, well, wait a second.
In another site, and I'm not going to sites, in another site, law enforcement actually does their job there.
They get it done.
And guess what?
They haven't had any issues, maybe because they realize there's a consequence.
So thankfully, I read a book called Leadership by some guy named Giuliani, and I learned a few things about how to actually deal with crowd control.
Well, as a graduate from New York politics, both with me and on your own, what do you think the chances are?
I mean, winning a Democratic primary is nine times out of 10 in New York history, the election, the election is over when the Democrat gets nominated.
And now we have a Democrat nominated who is extraordinary.
I mean, he wants the government to control the means of production.
He wants to have free grocery stores and supermarkets.
He wants to provide free transportation.
He wants to provide free everything.
He wants to globalize the infitada.
He wants to defund the police completely, not just fake it like he had said.
He wants to defund the police.
He was trying to explain what he meant by that.
But it's pretty clear.
He just wants to kill Jews all over the world.
I think that's pretty accurate to what he believes.
Look, I think it's here's the thing, and this is kind of the sobering part of it.
If you go through the numbers last time, Momdani got 430,000 primary votes on a 100-degree day.
He's going to get every single one of those votes.
On top of that, Lander, who cross-endorsed each other with Mondami, got 110,000 votes.
So you've got to think that Mandani starts with 100 and sorry, 530,000 votes or so.
That's a big number.
When you look at where Curtis was last time in 21, he was at 320,000.
So right there, you need to add about 200,000 votes.
Now, again, this is a very, very unique circumstance.
You're talking about somebody who has said globalize the Infitata.
You know what that's ultimately going to do to the Hasidic vote there.
They're going to come on out to vote.
You know what it's going to do even to just common sense, however many are left, common sense Democrats that live in New York that ultimately look and realize that, hey, look, you know, maybe we don't want somebody who prescribes to Karl Marx.
How about to fund the police?
Just recently he said the New York Police is racist and corrupt.
Meanwhile, he's surrounded.
He's got more policemen around him than Haven City Hall.
Yeah.
Somebody told me that trying to interview him, you got to go through a phalanx of police.
Look, I think there's a solution to this.
And I think you're threading a needle, but the needle can be thread.
But I think legitimately the way that it has to be done, and I've proposed this to a couple people that are considering it.
I don't know if it ultimately will happen or not.
You have to manage egos, which you know in politics is always one of the toughest things to do.
But I really think the only way for this is you have to sit down really yesterday with the Slewa, with the Adams camp.
And in some way, you need some buy-in from Cuomo and all this.
And you need to sit them down and say, hey, look, you're going to have a six-week run right now.
You're going to have a six-week run.
You get your teams together.
We'll have an independent pollster.
And whoever's running behind in those six weeks has to drop out and endorse the other.
Your legacy can be one of two things.
It can be running third in a mayoral primary that ultimately will lose New York City to Karl Marx, or it can be actually going and endorsing the person that will win and overtake that, overtake Mamdani to actually go and win the race.
That to me is the only way.
I don't think anybody can drop out now because what happens is if you have somebody drop out now, whether it's Sleewa, whether it's Adams, first off, we don't know what the polling effect is going to be probably until mid-July of Mamdani being in there, right?
This needs to settle with people.
They need to understand the actual consequence and that New York truly is at a crossroads over here, right?
But also, what you need to see is from a polling perspective, who's actually going to get the biggest bump out of this?
Is this Sliwa?
Is it Adams?
Is it Cuomo?
We don't really know.
And at some point, there has to be a sit-down.
I really think before Labor Day, because the truth is, aside from a lot of political junkies, yourself, myself included, Paul, the people that are watching your show, most people, they'll tune out of politics between July 4th and Labor.
I saw a whole bunch of people interviewed about him.
And they don't even know.
By Labor Day, you need a buttoned-up ticket, one candidate that's ready to run hard for nine weeks.
If that happens with the backing of the other candidates' constituencies, then you've got a chance.
Look, other than that, we could say everybody's got a chance to run.
And the truth is, if that's the case and you have four or five candidates going against Mandani, Mandani is going to win 48% of the vote and he's going to win by 17 points.
That's just the numbers and that's the facts behind it.
Yeah, I mean, the way a candidate like Mondami is beaten, a guy who is much more radical than the press has painted him, he's going to lose votes.
People are going to drop off him.
But if they drop off and they go to three different places, then you're splitting.
That's exactly what.
And he still wins.
He is a great guy to run against if it's one-on-one.
Yeah.
I mean, I'd love to run against him one-on-one because you're going to get the benefit of everybody who drops off him or they'll stay home.
But if you've got to share that with some that might like Coma better or some that might like Sleewood better, you're absolutely right.
It's got to be one of those guys has got to take him on one.
So the math equation conservatively is somebody needs to get to 520,000 votes.
The truth is probably somebody needs to get to 550 or 600,000 votes.
So we could talk percentages.
You could talk about this.
You could talk about earning this endorsement of this party, getting on the ballot here.
But the truth is, if somebody can't get to 550,000 votes, then Mamdami is going to be your next mayor come 2026 next year.
Well, I mean, the real hope is that he had the primary race.
What was the turnout in the primary?
We figured that out before.
It was 20%?
4 million people.
20%.
Okay.
So most New Yorkers don't even know about it.
I mean, they have a vague, they've now seen headlines that this strange guy got nominated.
Some of them think that's good.
You should have a strange guy.
They don't know why he's strange.
But as the election moves along, unless New York has really gone haywire, a lot of people are going to drop off him when they start to think about, when they start to think about how much he hates the police, how much, how bitter his language about the Jewish people is.
It's not just that he's for the Palestinians, actually for Hamas, a terrorist group.
If you listen to what he says, you can see a hatred of the Jewish people.
Here's the thing that's interesting, and this goes back to your races in obviously the late 80s and 90s.
Over the last four or five cycles, you haven't had that big of a turnout in New York, whether it was the de Blasio races, whether it was Adams' first race.
You've had somewhere around the high six figures, 850 to 1.1 million people.
By those numbers, Momdani will be the next mayor of New York.
You've got to expand the turnout.
But you go back to a point where New York truly was on the brink.
You think the Dinkins years and your option is Rudy Giuliani.
I think we're about 1.8, 1.9 million people came out to vote.
So that's what you need.
You need New Yorkers that are coming out to vote that haven't voted in a few cycles since Giuliani or maybe Bloomberg, you know, the couple times that he ran as a Republican, they came out to vote.
The question is, will they come out in those numbers?
Will they come out in the Giuliani numbers?
Or will they come out in the last couple of cycles?
If they come out the way they came out in the last couple cycles, it's not looking good.
If they come out with the energy that they came out to go vote for Rudy Giuliani, then we have a good chance.
Well, it's going to be very, very interesting because without the slightest bit of exaggeration, he wins.
The city is gone.
I mean, it's gone for a long time.
It's going to take an awful lot.
Look, we're still trying to dig our way out of DeBasio.
Someone said to me today, I think it was Bo Didle, I'd even take DeBasio now.
Well, the funny thing was, I had this joke the other day.
If he gets elected, we're going to envy the good old days of de Blasio.
That's how bad this is.
Because at least De Blasio was so lazy that he smoked enough dope.
He didn't do too much bad.
I remember saying when he was mayor, well, it can't be.
It's true.
He was smoking weed all over the place.
You don't like the truth.
It's true.
He smoked a lot of weeds.
I've told this story, but a few weeks into his administration, the head of his detail, the head of his detail came to Commissioner Bratton and said, boss, you can't have us take the random drug test.
And why?
He said, because they all fail.
They test for marijuana by pulling your hair.
And marijuana stays there for two weeks.
And then you would have no idea whether the person smoked it themselves or every one of those cops would have failed.
So Bratton went ahead and took him off.
But that's why I love Bratton so much.
Well, thank you very much for tuning in.
We had a very interesting show.
One interesting guest after another.
I guess Washington is a pretty interesting place, huh?
We're draining the swamp.
You know what I like to say?
The Trump administration is just like the Godfather, right?
The first movie was one of the best ever.
But the second one is even a little bit better.
And in this one, we're going to kill Fredo.
Whatever that means, you take that however you'd like.
Obviously, I'm just joking around.
Sorry, Chris Cuomo.
It's not Chris Cuomo.
It wasn't directed toward you.
Well, pray for all the people that are in harm's way because of the horrible four years we had before this.
And pray for the president and his efforts to try to get them out of harm's way.
Can I say one quick thing as a son, not to interrupt you, but you learn a lot about resilience, and there's a lot that people say, right?
But as a son, I saw it day in and day out.
And everything they tried to do to break you in so many ways, I saw it.
I saw true resilience in this man, in our president.
And your action is something that will stay with me till the end of my days.
Oh, thank you.
Well, that makes the whole thing worth it.
God bless America.
Amen.
Amen.
Teens.
Okay.
Okay.
Let's go.
Okay, well, we'll see.
But we're going to have a conversation.
Maybe we'll have a conversation with Andrew about the race because it could be a very interesting race if you spread out that much, if there are that many candidates.
I mean, even if he can pick up 5%, all of a sudden you could become a factor.
And the president did weigh in on this today.
President weighed in yesterday, too.
But yesterday, I mean, I find the clip from Yesterday on Air Force One, he honestly that much.
If there are that many candidates, I mean, even if he can pick up 5%, all of a sudden you could become a fact force one.
He honestly looks like he's thinking out loud.
It's like he's saying to himself, there's a communist running for mayor.
No, no, there really is a communist running for mayor.
You see?
And we're here.
You know, I can be here now because for four years, I was avoiding Washington because I didn't want to be in leg irons.
Like my friend Peter Navarro was put it.
I knew that they had once put my name on it.
And every, and it's every, it must be really fascinating covering that place.
It is fascinating.
Yeah, it is.
I hear so many crazy things, mostly from the Democrats who are always trying to scare everyone into their ridiculous beliefs.
As you know, now, there is a lot of controversy today on the Hill because though it did pass the Senate, which I initially thought was really good news, I thought, okay, we are going to meet this July 4th deadline, right?
Which is what the president wants.
So we should all be rooting for that.
AI provision in the big beautiful bill is not good.
And I'm so grateful that I had the opportunity to talk with Senator Kevin Kramer and we started talking about it on your show and it really started gaining some traction.
I actually got to talk to Speaker Johnson and ask him a question about it.
So once that conversation started going, I know Steve Bannon was also very vocal more from the angle that it's going to like take away jobs, which I think there is some truth to that, actually.
I think there's a lot of dangers with AI.
And ultimately, my fear is that, you know, it's going to build this beast system that we read about in the Bible.
Right.
And ultimately create a digital surveillance state.
And are we unknowingly?
Enormously useful in warfare.
Absolutely.
I mean, it was a terrific article in one of the magazines about how ultimately it's not going to be the arms race.
It's going to be the AI race.
That's right.
You could have all the arms in the world, but if you have AI that can just disable them, then you're the kid.
Well, even it was going in that direction of China catching up on it.
But one of the first things he did is bring in the major chip company from Taiwan chips to the supercomputers.
Yes.
So we're going to have it made in America now.
That's right.
And he's gotten a lot.
And murders from illegal aliens.
What's wrong with tightening up security in America and actually building a wall, right?
He said, they actually just like stare at you with a blank look and they can't really compute.
They can't figure out an answer.
So I think he got him stumped on that one.
Well, you do a great job.
Accomplishments.
They should.
I was in the Reagan White House and the first, that was a very happy White House.
Was it?
Yeah, but he was a very, even when he was in trouble, he was a real happy warrior.
Yeah.
Well, you know, I think, I think they were like so excited to try to get a question with Trump.
You could just tell he lightens up the room.
And it's amazing to see.
So maybe the tides are turning and things are looking up.
They even seem more under control than they were the first time around.
They even seem to be better behaved than they were under Biden.
I mean, they're like...
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And virtually next week, a really big victory, big victory for free speech.
That's a big victory for the country, my pillow.
100%, no matter what you're seeing on the fake news, 100% vindicated.
And even myself, which we're going to go after on appeal part, they said Mike didn't do anything malicious or whatever.
And then the media lawyer, Smart Manager, they were all in there.
I had so many lawyers, I couldn't even believe it.
And for the pending case, and he says to the jury, you talk about free speech.
He says, he says, here's his closing statements.
He says, well, he says, Jury, you've all heard that Mike Lindell was worth about $50 million before this all started.
Yeah, it's 1984.
Yeah, it really is.
They accuse me of what they do.
It was like a mirror.
And then I'm out there with all this talking about free speech.
So I go uptown and my wife and I go to the going to a Walgreens and that's when they had the big protests going on.
Can you imagine this guy going to the Democratic Convention?
By shame, my mustache.
I didn't think you didn't know who I was.
Very close.
I just appreciate it.
You took a little heat off me.
It was good.
Over here, leave the mayor alone.
It was fun at the White House today, though.
Two years to do it.
Well, you know what?
I used to do this kind of work.
So it's actually general.
It's ridiculous what they've done.
It's ridiculous.
Well, it's the words travel too.
So you don't have people trying either.
You know, they stopped.
And I like that, you know, watching them down at Alligator World or whatever.
But I think it's yeah, but I think it's working to that extent.
And I think it's also working to whether people aren't even trying now.
There's some fear factor.
It has to be.
There has to be some fear factor.
Yeah.
The charge factor has worked.
That's why it's happened so much.
I think the general public would not have tolerated.
Would you actually look at paper ballots?
Do you know that we never said no one representing Donald Trump ever got to see a single paper ballot in Pennsylvania?
I said, you know what?
We can't steal the presidency because they're on to us already.
We're just going to have to put up with a couple of years.
We'll steal it back in the midterm.
That's why it's so important right now, as we speak in these next 10 months, before even the primary is in the midterm to secure our elections.
Georgia, a Democrat in a primary.
And her and her husband and her daughter are in that precinct.
I swear, this is what I said.
If they'd have gave that lady three votes, they gave her zero.
If they'd have gave her three, you know what they would have said?
Oh, Kirk and Brad Rasenberger would have said, I'm sorry.
Nobody loves you but your family.
You only get rid of the machines.
I go, absolutely.
Look at those rules.
And then I told them a long time ago.
I told him, I said, we're going to be very much recycle them and turn them into prison bars.
And they played my tape in that thing, you know, for their evidence.
It's in history.
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Andrew Giuliani, who is in charge of overseeing the FIFA program in America next year, which is going to be, I think, the security challenge of the century.
So we're going to begin talking about that.
Tell us exactly what you're doing.
Oh, by the way, it's my son, Andrew.
One city.
It's not just one site.
You're looking at the entire continent, right?
This is the United States will host 78 of 104 games.
Canada and Mexico will host 13 games each.
You're talking about 11 sites.
78 games.
78 games.
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