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July 24, 2025 - Rudy Giuliani
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The Rudy Giuliani Show: Thursday, July 24, 2025
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Good evening.
This is Rudy Giuliani, and this is the Rudy Giuliani Show on Lindell TV.
And once again, and it does appear as if this is happening quite a bit, but it is the nature of life, I guess.
You know, great Americans come in all kinds, and they make all different kinds of contributions.
There are those who give their lives on the battlefield.
There are those that give their lives to protect us in our cities and in our land.
And there are those who devote their talents and their energy and work so hard that they literally make themselves sick, known it.
And then there are those that are just exceptional icons who kind of embrace America.
I don't know.
I'd give you one, John Wayne.
What would America be without John Wayne?
And didn't he define the country?
Oh, not as well as the flag, but kind of like it.
Well, Hulk Hogan was one of those people for me and for many of us.
I knew Hulk, not close friend, but I knew him, particularly got to know him lately as he was campaigning for, as we were both campaigning for President Trump, but I've known him for quite some time, way back when I was mayor.
He was quite a star even in the early days when I was mayor of New York.
He still went around on horses and buggies.
This man made wrestling what it is, but he transcended wrestling like some people are able to do, a Joe DiMaggio or you can pick a Babe Roof.
You can pick your sport or person.
And he also, he conveyed something that made me love him even more.
With all of that and all the things he could do and all the people he inspired, he conveyed a love of America.
God gave him some great gifts and he gave back in return.
So let's take a look at this absolutely one of a kind American who I hope right now is entertaining the angels.
comes crashing down and it hurts inside you gotta take the stand it don't have to hide if you hurt my friends then you have my pride i am a real american fight for the rights of every man i am a real
american fight for what's right you
Well, I think you all remember his appearance at the Republican Convention, which was quite amazing, and some of his speeches on behalf of President Donald Trump.
I remember his appearance at the rally, Ted.
Do you remember that?
Yeah, I think we got a clip from him.
This is Madison Square Garden.
It was like a homecoming rally for me and for President Trump.
But it was a homecoming for this guy, too.
Yeah, I think we have a speech.
You don't think of him.
Well, I guess everybody thinks of him.
I think of him as kind of a New Yorker because he wrestles so much at Madison Square Garden.
And there was a period of time that my father and I went to wrestling matches every week together when we couldn't go to boxing.
My father was a boxer.
Let's maybe play 20 seconds of that.
Hulk Hogan at Madison Square Garden.
My father loved wrestling.
Welcome to the house that Hulkamania built.
Yeah!
You know something?
Usually when I'm at Madison Square Garden, I'm body slamming giants.
I'm winning world heavyweight titles.
And I'm cracking people over the heads of steel chairs.
And the energy in Madison Square Garden is off the Richter scale.
Alright, that's good.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha That was high energy.
That was high energy.
Oh, God bless them.
Gosh, 71, too young.
Didn't see, you know, there are people that look like they're ill, and there are people that look like they're 20 years younger.
And he was one of those.
Remember, he was taking his shirt.
What was that one where he was taking his shirt off?
Was that the convention?
Where he kept taking his shirt off to show us his muscles?
He really had muscles.
I mean, no kidding around.
Yeah, that was real.
You know, it's a real tribute to him that we can do sort of an obituary to him and we can smile.
That's a good point.
You know, this is what he did for people.
He lifted.
The energy, right?
He has that energy.
I don't know if, I mean, obviously people at that rally were for Trump or unless you were crazy or you were a spy.
I'm sure they had some spies in there.
Oh, yeah.
They did crap on somebody there.
I forgot.
The comedian.
They went after somebody.
The comedian, some comedian that was on like five hours before.
He's a comedian.
He made some mistake.
He said something wrong.
I don't know.
I couldn't even pick it up.
If I can't pick it up, believe me.
You know, he must have made fun of.
Maybe the crime was he wasn't that funny.
But I think he, yeah, I think he's, was it Native American?
It was Puerto Rico or something.
Look, the guy's a comedian, right?
I don't even blame him.
He's a comedian.
We're going to put together a large segment of Native Americans.
I know a bunch of them from the New York tribes, and they don't believe in any of this crap.
Yeah.
They don't believe in any of this shit.
None of it.
They want the Redskins back.
Yeah, of course.
And they want the Chiefs back.
And they're fighting over the Chiefs.
That's it.
And that's a beautiful way to do it, too, for Hulk.
Now, talking about people who look sick, I had a major vindication yesterday that no one will vindicate me for, but Ed Henry on Newsmax.
And that is way back in 2016, during the campaign when I was traveling daily with President Trump, a couple of weeks before the 11th, I kept watching Hillary and I kept talking.
I actually kept talking to people and doctors and stuff.
And I said, she looks, there's something wrong with her.
That broad's on drugs.
That's what I said.
Sorry.
Let's play the cut.
We have a 20-second cut.
This is the mayor in August.
Now, in case you think I make these things up, I said it on television about eight times.
We were able to find this one.
This is about two or three weeks before she went down like the Queen Mary.
Let's watch that.
Sitting down with the police, with the Democrat-appointed police chiefs, pretending she's pro-police, one of the most pathetic press conferences I've ever seen.
What do you mean?
Well, first of all, she looks sick.
That was America's.
Sorry.
Well, I don't know what happened there, but she looked sick.
So we'll find a group, if you're interested, we'll find a group more where I kept going around for a couple of weeks saying she's sick.
Now, September 11 was approaching.
And the question was, and I, as I said, I traveled every day with President Trump at that time.
And I started talking to him about should he or should he not attend the September 11 ceremonies.
Now, the September 11 ceremonies had never been attended by a president or by an outsider to the people that day, with the exception of Bloomberg, who, of course, became mayor.
Now, Donald Trump had contributed, I mean, more than 99% of the people.
I mean, he was a major contributor, including on that day to assisting us on September 11th, in ways that both he and George Steinbrenner, at times, they did it together.
They did it alone, didn't want people to know.
And he got attacked bitterly about it.
He got attacked when he said there were people celebrating in New Jersey.
Of course, there were.
I even had my, we had undercover police officers there.
We had undercover police officers all over northern New Jersey, which when Christie found out, he got all upset about.
And I told him, well, we just police better than you do.
And I don't rely on New Jersey police for the safety of my citizen.
I mean, I got to rely on my guys.
I hired them.
I didn't hire people.
So in any event, that's a different story.
But I told President Trump, I thought he should come for two reasons.
First of all, he had never been presidential candidate before.
Number two, or three reasons.
Number two, it'd give us a chance to document all that he did on September 11 and all the September 11 survivors who know him and appreciate him, of which there were many.
At number three, I said, I can't guarantee this.
I think she's not going to make it through the ceremony.
I don't even think they're going to send her.
I mean, she's stammering and bammering.
And I swear, I'm telling you, I've talked to doctors about it.
That lady's on drugs.
They got her pumped up with some.
Remember, I used to be in charge of the narcotics division of the United States Attorney's Office.
I go back to prosecuting drug cases when people didn't know a drug war.
I said, she is on drugs.
I know her a long time.
She's not, I don't know if she'll make it to the finish line.
I said, but I've been with her at this event.
This event gets very, very tiring because you stand for a very long time.
If you're unlucky, it can be a very humid and very, very difficult day.
And it's very emotional anyway.
And I've seen her have to, you know, not make it after a half hour.
I said, you're in great shape.
You come.
I bet you in an hour she'll go down.
Or leave.
And we will have stayed longer and made our point.
And I said, I just, I have a feeling something's going to happen.
So we went.
And I had kept up my rant that she was sick.
And she showed up and we showed up.
We even had a cordial hello.
And a good deal of time went by, much longer than I thought.
About two hours went by, and all of a sudden, the president said, She seems like she's okay.
I mean, I said, Well, I don't know, Mr. President.
Let's stay a little longer.
He says, Well, I don't want to go anyway.
They're just saying maybe, you know.
Maybe I was wrong, I guess.
So I'm standing there, and it seemed to me within a very few short minutes of that, that the president of my security company, John Huvain, and the man who ran my detail as mayor, including on September 11 and helped to save my life on September 11, John Huvain.
He's on.
I think John's on with us now.
He's on the phone with us.
John was there, and he came up to me.
And now I'll let you tell him he is the one who absolutely, the video that you now see of her going down like the Queen Mary, he actually observed it personally.
So tell us, John, tell us what you saw.
There's a New York City detective, a hero.
Absolutely.
Wear my detective shirt.
I'm only going to back up what led to your beliefs that she wasn't well.
And a lot of Americans saw it.
She had an uncontrollable cough.
And she would be coughing on a regular basis.
And you're like, there's something wrong here.
And, you know, and, you know, they came up with excuses for this, that, everything else.
But on that particular day, I do remember you advising our great president, President Trump, to attend the service.
And he was like, I don't want to make it political.
And you're like, no, it's not political.
You're showing respect to the families.
And, you know, he conceded and said, of course, all right, I'll do this.
And yes, we were standing there and it was blazingly hot.
So it and also there was a ton of security around us, a ton.
And I was about five rows back from you because there, obviously, we have a former first lady.
We have, you know, a sitting mayor.
We have a presidential candidate.
And there was a ton of security.
So that little area became very congested.
We had governors from outside the state and within the state.
So people were on top of each other.
And that only added to the heat of the day.
So I have to confess to you right now, Mayor, I stepped away.
I smoked these little cigars.
And I said, well, let me get cheaper.
Yeah.
And you said, if you became president, you'd actually make them illegal.
And so I stepped out and exactly, exactly where that vantage point was of that video, I was standing, literally standing there.
And I see this like crazy group of people coming.
And obviously there was a few people and Hillary Clinton.
And I'm looking at her.
And she's standing there.
And there's a young female that's sort of like holding her and talking to her.
I believe it was a Secret Service gentleman.
He had the same haircut as I do, no hair.
And he was waiting for what would look like anything I've ever seen for a presidential candidate.
It was almost like a van that was converted out of an ambulance.
And heavy duty, heavy duty AC on the top, there was a very strange look to this vehicle.
Now I'm watching her.
And when it pulled up, she starts to walk.
Now the gentleman who had the same haircut as I did literally grabs her arm from underneath and starts to walk off this very small curb.
She's on the street and she literally almost looks like she's about to fall face into the van.
And, you know, God bless the Secret Service.
They do an amazing job.
And even for Hillary Clinton, they formed this like wedge around her so no one would be able to see.
But I was standing literally right there.
And I had clearance to be standing there.
So nobody bothered me.
And I'm like, man, she almost fell into the van.
What just happened?
So when she left, a lot of the security left because President Trump wasn't at then, he was a candidate.
You know, he had some small security and you as well.
And, you know, the remaining dignitaries didn't have a ton.
And I got an opportunity to go up to you and say, sir, something was weird.
She went to walk into that bed.
You see as this gentleman is grabbing her.
And then she's off the curb.
And I remember this now, totally remember this like it was yesterday.
And yesterday I saw it and I'm like, oh my God, it'd be like I was holding that video from where I was standing.
And it sort of was like the next day, you know, New York Times, oh, she stumbles, you know, they downplay it and everything else.
And then we were trying to figure out, I'm like, boss, there's something wrong.
And you immediately talked to then candidate Donald Trump.
And we were trying to figure out what just happened.
As you can see, they swarmed around her to protect her from any pictures to be taken.
And, you know, she just had her aides holding her up.
You can see the young lady on her left side holding it, but she starts to wobble.
That's when the Secret Service guy grabs her.
And then she almost falls face into the van.
And I'm like, she has to be going to the hospital.
So, you know, we did a little looking into this and we could have figured it out.
And the best information that I was able to obtain is she went to her daughter's apartment, Chelsea's apartment.
And, you know, I don't know what happened there, but she didn't go to, you know, one of our local hospitals to deal with this issue she had.
And, you know, you look at this.
This is very serious.
And you were accused of blowing things out of proportion.
Oh, my God.
This is politics at its worst.
No, this was factual.
This was factual.
And this was real.
And a few of the local, like they had some of the video, but not much of it.
And you wonder, you know, obviously if poor President Trump stumbled playing golf, you know, they're going to say it's a major health issue.
And, you know, it was sad because that was one of many things they threw on top of you as an alarmist.
Oh, my God.
Look at them.
You know, there was no product license on the posts, on the different news outlets.
They normally embellish stuff.
So what they did on this thing is they downplayed it.
And there was a series of issues.
And a lot of people forget Joan knows debates.
She was actually coughing uncontrollably.
And there was a serious health issue.
And, you know, nobody wishes anybody to be ill, but let's be honest about things.
Right.
Well, John, it's great to see it.
We got to talk some more about it.
You just keep listening because we've been vindicated by none other than Vladimir Putin.
Oh, my goodness.
Sir, well, I do a little work down in the DR and President Abadir totally respects you.
The Dominican people respect you.
They want to emulate everything you've done for the city of New York.
And you love.
You remember, I'm sure all the time, our work in Kharkiv.
You must think about that a lot, huh?
Indeed.
You know, we traveled the world together and we seem good and bad in people.
But one thing we were always is honest.
And, you know, we didn't agree on 100% of things, but we both came from the same place of being truthful.
Yeah, we did, John.
Well, we can be proud of it.
Thank you, John.
And take care of yourself.
Thank you, sir.
God bless.
What a great man.
What a great man.
Well, we'll talk about John.
We'll do a whole show on John.
The guy has a career, you know, saving a partner.
I mean, these guys are like heroes and they don't even know it.
He helped to secure the whole city of Kharkiv.
He could talk to you about, he could tell you more about Ukraine than most of the jackasses that show up on television and go.
He can also tell you a lot about the Dominican Republic.
He knows it backwards and forwards.
But the real key to this is now with the revelations, the very courageous and I think historic revelations of Chelsea Gabbard, there is a September 18, if I have it correct, document obtained by our intelligence services that we had way back then that Putin had a big file.
And the big file was, how sick is Hillary Clinton?
And it was substantial, including stuff you can only get if you had hacked into stuff protected by HIPAA.
There it is.
I mean, including the fact that she was taking, I guess we call them mind-enhancing drugs.
And everything I was saying about her, about her looking strange for the two months preceding is the period of time that this guy was tracking.
So when she fell, they must have looked at it and said, hey, this may be coming out.
And they made a decision.
It's either September 18th or September 19th of 2020 to cover it up.
So so much for Putin wanted Trump elected.
Had he put that out, had he put out what he had, well, first of all, it probably wouldn't have been published, right, Ted?
They'd have claimed I did it.
Right.
They'd have claimed I did it.
I was a Russian.
Who knows what they would have claimed?
But I mean, normally, if he put something like that, she'd have been finished as a candidate.
She was actually sicker than I thought.
And all it does is tell you what liars they are.
They're complete, absolute liars.
Everything I told you about Biden, everything I told you about the 2020 election is the absolute truth as far as I knew at the time.
And the only things that are different are things where facts maybe have altered it a little bit.
And I'd have to go back and look at it again to see whether those facts change things or not.
But I never at any time, it was too important for me to be reporting anything that wasn't true.
I'm a patriot.
I love my country.
I was in that election, had given up a legal salary of approaching five, six million a year Because I thought if Hillary Clinton were elected president, it'd be the end of our country.
And I mean, I thought, what's the use of making five or six million dollars a year?
My kids have no country left, and neither do you.
And that's why John was there, and that's why, and that's why Bo Wagner was there, who also was with me that day, who we'll have on.
He'll tell you his version of it, because he picked up other facts.
And the Secret Service was in it fixing it with her.
I mean, they should have taken her right to a hospital.
They took her to her daughter's place so they could cover up the records.
Maybe they knew that Putin, if she went to one of our hospitals, we wouldn't have given out the records.
But Putin might have been able to find out what the hell was wrong with her.
Looked like some kind of stroke.
But in any event, that's just one part of what Telsey Gabbard has done for us and what the Democrats are going crazy trying to cover up.
They said, oh, there had been a Senate and House bipartisan report that there was Russian collusion in favor of Trump.
Have you ever taken a look at who did that?
I think a few of them voted against Trump, the Republicans.
And you really going to trust them?
They've had eight years to investigate this.
Even that guy, what the heck is his name, who can't seem to find evidence right in front of his head, found nothing.
They never came up with this.
Tulsi Gabbard had to come up with it.
I don't, I mean, I'm sorry, my friends in the House and Senate.
You don't know how to investigate.
You really don't, unless you're a Democrat and you just lie.
But that whole investigation was just a bunch of press conferences.
And the evidence is right there, staring you in the face.
I put it out six years ago, seven years ago, like that one.
Well, the real question now is, and this is one part of it that's important and valuable, but the real issue is, what do we do with this?
I think the Attorney General Bondi appointed a strike force to look at all of this gabbard material, which, you know, we'll do a, a lot of it has come in.
And I'm going to work on presenting it in a way that you can kind of follow it better.
But suffice it to say, there is plenty of intelligence that the House and Senate bipartisan report was as good as most of their investigations.
The only thing they ever investigate correctly are lies, like against Trump.
I mean, they haven't gotten anywhere yet with anyone, which is why the Justice Department has to take it over.
Now, I think a strike force is fine.
I got to give you my own, and now they're talking about a special prosecutor, either for that or for Epstein.
Can I tell you my view of this?
It's certainly not the majority view, and a lot of people will disagree with this.
I think strike forces and special prosecutors are always a sign of tremendous weakness in our law enforcement institutions.
So you have an FBI right now, right?
They investigate all of us.
And they damn well better be good, and they better be fair, and they better be thorough.
And if we get a big important case, they're going to handle your case.
So what do we get?
The second raiders handling our case?
You got to go have a special prosecutor.
And when you get a special prosecutor, you also put on a tremendous amount of pressure to come up with findings.
Now, I handled as U.S. Attorney, just the time I was U.S. Attorney, because I've had a number of different roles in the Justice Department.
Altogether, I probably handled 20,000 cases.
But as U.S. Attorney in the Southern District, I probably handled, I know we had 5,000 prosecutions, but we still have more cases.
So let's say 8,000, 9,000 cases, okay?
If I decided not to prosecute a case because it was unfair, too political, too close in terms of whether the evidence was there or not, it didn't matter.
My career wasn't going to get made or not made on any one case.
I had 5,000 cases, I'd just gone another case.
Now, I would have done it anyway because I'm extraordinarily rigid, as John told you, about those things.
I don't think there's any gap in being honest and straight about justice particularly.
But the best thing for her to do, my advice to the Attorney General, and with all due deference to Attorney General Bondi, who I just think is a wonderful person, I have far more experience at this than she does.
Do it in the Justice Department.
I have a lot of disagreements with Attorney General Barr about things that just trouble the hell out of me.
Things that he didn't bring forward, like the hard drive.
But he was quite correct when he would give out the cases to highly experienced U.S. attorneys to investigate.
Where he wasn't correct, he seems, he seems, and he's never had a chance to answer this or be questioned about it, and he should.
He seems to have sat on them and stopped them from going forward.
But the idea was the right idea.
Also, they're better at it than the special counsel because they do it every day for a living.
Look at it this way.
You got a big emergency like she had.
Do you want to bring in some doctor from a university that hasn't been in the emergency room for five or 10 years?
Or do you want to go to the best, most experienced emergency doctor who's been doing it every day for everybody else and therefore going to be able to see it in Hillary just as easily as he sees it in the homeless guy?
You want the most experienced person possible.
Well, those experienced people are the people sitting in your U.S. attorney's offices.
They're going to court every day.
They're arguing cases every day.
They know the law better.
They're probably more comfortable in court.
They're certainly more comfortable with grand juries.
They sit in front of them all day.
They get to know them.
They're more currently active in turning people, which is a very big part of the job.
And they know how to do things in a quiet way.
Special prosecutors seem to have the weakness of leaking like crazy.
Moasho did.
He got away with it like murder.
They all should have been disbarred for it.
I never had to worry about what evidence they had.
I read about it all the time.
I used to call them up and I'd say, you know, if you got something, you might as well call me because I read it in the Washington Post or I hear it on one of those phony stations right away because you guys are prosecuting and investigating bullshit and you know it.
So you got to justify yourself by leaking.
You don't have to leak when you got a good case.
You know what you do.
You just keep your damn mouth shut and then you bomb them.
One of the biggest cases that I won, the entire New York press court thought I was going to lose because my opponents would go out every day and give a press conference and the press would believe it.
And I'd go out every day and make jokes.
And so everybody thought I was trying it in New Haven and it was being reported in New York.
And everybody in New York, including my family, thought I was going to lose the case.
I had a powerful case, but only I knew that.
And I bombed them with the during my summation and I convicted them on every single count.
And those were all of Ed Koch's top political people.
And it's probably one of the reasons I became the mayor.
I didn't do it for that reason, but it's one of the reasons that I all of a sudden became, you know, household word.
But I would recommend take a look at the Justice Department.
Deep look.
Find your best people.
Bring them in to investigate this.
They're not going to have to go read up on the rules, catch up on the rules, find out if we're doing something special in this case, because they won't, and they better not.
So I'm going to take a short break, but I got to tell you one of the things that a great man told me once.
And that great man was Ronald Reagan's first attorney general, who was my boss, William Frank Smith.
He said, you know what the job of the attorney general really is?
The job of the attorney general is to tell the president no.
And it's really hard because he's one of my best friends.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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Welcome back to the Rudy Giuliani Show.
You know, it was really very, very heartwhelming for me to see my friend John.
I have to tell you that.
We've been through so much, and he and I have literally traveled the world together.
I think we probably, I've been to 90-something foreign countries.
He's probably been to almost all of them with me.
He and Bo Wagner probably have been with me to almost all of them.
John was the president of Giuliani Safety and Security, which was a very active and very, if I do say so myself, really one of the very best security firms in the world.
It won an award for that.
Just not me saying it.
And John was, I mean, John took over for, well, actually, there was a little bit of interim.
And then John took over.
And John was terrific.
I mean, I always had great people.
It started with Bernie Carrick, who has since departed, as you know.
So there's going to be a subpoena, apparently, for the Clintons in the Maxwell thing.
And as you know, today, the Deputy Attorney General of the United States interviewed Giselle Maxwell.
Now, that's a very, very, that's a very, well, I'll just report what I heard and I'll tell you what I think.
That's a controversial decision to do it that way.
There were people on and Republican people and Justice Department, what I would call Justice Department regulars, you know, people who have been in the Justice Department and now do what I do, comment and good people.
We disagree sometimes.
And they thought it was a mistake to use the Deputy Attorney General to do this because it made it more important than it is.
It added to some of the false steam that the Democrats are putting under it.
And normally it wouldn't be done that way.
Normally, it would be done the way I explained to you that Barr did it, which again, I have disagreements with Barr, but on the fundamentals of making a decision as Attorney General.
Nobody was, I mean, nobody would do it better than Barr.
I mean, he knew exactly what to do.
And it gives you some distance as the decision maker from the process.
And you can always interview when you had to.
Number two, however, if you want to make a decision quick, you don't want to go through a bureaucracy and you want to get control of this thing and you want to wake her up so that she's not going to play around because generally with a witness, you're going to get to cooperate.
You get about five versions before you get the truth.
But I mean, I don't, I think the way this has been escalated up, they didn't have much of a choice but to use him or her.
And it was better to use him than her because you don't want the attorney general in that spot.
You do have a little separation.
And by the way, he's also an excellent trial lawyer.
So we're not sending like a government bureaucrat, which a deputy attorney general sometimes is.
We're sending as good a trial lawyer as you probably have in the Justice Department to do it so that you're not going to have to go through five layers of review to figure out what, you know, do we think she's telling the truth?
Did she tell us everything?
I doubt it.
Nobody does.
What does she want?
What's her deal?
Can she be corroborated?
Because what she says isn't going to be worth much unless it can be corroborated.
It's always true with anyone who cooperates.
But then again, nobody knows the inside of this better than her, assuming she's telling the truth.
So Rudy thinks it was the right decision.
And I also will tell you that the stuff about, you know, they told him his name was in the file and all of this.
I'm going to tell you without any doubt that Donald Trump has no criminal or untoward involvement in this.
And I tell you that because I investigated it.
And is his name there?
Of course his name was there.
He knew the guy.
He had a whole history with the guy back before 2006.
They keep reporting that the nature of their breakup had to do with they were both bidding for something.
Garbage.
The nature of their breakup is that the guy was harassing employees of Mar-Lago.
And that's why he was barred from it.
And he was barred in a very unceremonious way.
Trump called up security, said, take all his stuff, take it out of his locker at the golf course.
And we don't really have stuff at Mar-a-Lago unless you stay there.
But take all his stuff, put it in a big bag, call him and tell him to come and get it.
He's been thrown out of both.
And they might have had some, I don't know if they had litigation or whatever about should he be paid.
Did he get some of his money back?
Didn't he?
Whatever.
I don't know what happened with that.
But it got settled.
I don't think they ever saw each other since then.
And the idea that Trump would have done that to somebody that he did terribly compromising things with is idiotic.
That's what the guy counted on for having control over people, that he had stuff on them.
So what, Trump's going to throw him out on his ass from the two best clubs in Palm Beach if the guy's got pictures of him doing crazy stuff?
This is Trump, you know, back in 2005, 2006, very smart, very shrewd guy.
And finally, I'm going to tell you as his friend for so many years, this is some more horrible, disgusting Democrat accusing you of what they do.
They're the ones who reduce the penalties for pedophilia in California.
What if that tell you?
Who the hell reduces penalties for pedophilia?
Governor Newcomb does.
So the problems here, I don't know.
And so I don't want to pretend to you that I know what the internal issues are that makes a full disclosure difficult.
So one judge is struggling with it.
Two more judges right now are supposedly going to make decisions tonight on one of them is a request by the government, meaning Trump and Bondi and whatever, to release the grand jury material.
The other is a request by Epstein to do it.
Epstein.
Yeah, right.
Now there's another whole conspiracy.
Maybe he's still alive.
Giuliani knows that Epstein's still alive.
Giuliani's right about everything.
Where is he?
Ed Henry might report that tonight.
But no, the reality is that the quick reports that I heard on this, and I listened to three networks today, so it has to be one of them.
It has to be either Fox, believe it or not, MSNBC, and Newsmax.
Oh, and maybe CNN a bit.
One of them said, well, you know, you can't release grand jury testimony, almost as if you never can do it.
That's not true.
It's very hard.
You have to show it's in the interest of justice.
And that's a very, very loosely defined term and not very much litigated.
I happen to know one of the famous cases involving Mario Biaggi.
And Mario Biaggi was running for mayor of New York.
One of his opponents leaked that he took the Fifth Amendment 48 times in front of the grand jury.
He denied it.
The guy said, well, then why don't you waive your right to keep the grand jury testimony secret?
And when Biaggi refused to do it, you really didn't have to go much further to realize that Biagi did take the Fifth Amendment.
But the U.S. attorney, Whitney Nord Seymour, who was my boss, went to court and petitioned the judge.
And the judge ruled that because he was running for mayor and because this was an issue of paramount credibility, he released the 48 times that Biage took the Fifth Amendment and had lied about it.
And it was upheld.
Judge Palmieri was the judge.
And it was upheld, don't remember if it was 3-0 or 2-1 by the Second Circuit.
And it ended forever Mario Biage's chance of being mayor.
He did stay in Congress forever until a very, very excellent United States attorney who rarely lost cases, certainly not big ones, prosecuted him and put him in jail for bribery.
I won't tell you who that was.
And the prosecutor, it was done by this U.S. attorney as the U.S. Attorney, but the assistant U.S. attorney with a great lawyer named Howard Wilson, who convicted him.
I don't know if you got a chance to see any of the statements of the families of the young ladies who were slaughtered by this non-human animal.
Kohlberger, right?
Kohlberger?
Is that how you pronounce it?
Kohlberger?
Brian Kohlberger.
Kohlberger.
Kohlberger.
Sick, sick man.
You know, this is also controversial.
Kohlberger went into their dorm at the University of Idaho.
And there was, if I have this correct, there were six girls in the dorm, two on the first floor, four on the second floor.
He skipped the two on the first floor.
We don't know why.
We don't know why he did any of this.
And then he went upstairs and using a knife, he butchered the four girls upstairs.
I'm not going to go into the details of it.
You can read it if you want.
But it was, and he did, and he and he escaped.
And one of the girls that he didn't attack did get a little bit of a, her name is the one who got a little view of him was Bethany Funk.
And yesterday, the families had a chance to make a victim statement.
And it was probably one of the most compelling things I've ever seen and heartbreaking and reminded me of why I was a prosecutor.
These families will never be the same.
Would an execution of him helped?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I really don't know.
I mean, I think it should be executed, but I'm in favor of the death penalty.
Not wildly in favor of it.
I think it should be used very sparingly and under the most extraneous and under the most extreme circumstances.
And I would add another thing to it where you're absolutely certain of guilt, not even beyond a reasonable doubt.
There should be an extra standard for it.
But gee, if I added that, it would take forever.
And there really is.
I mean, these things get, had this guy been given the death penalty, he'd have been executed 12 years from now.
Maybe.
So I'm not going to get into a fight over whether he should have been executed or he should have been executed.
Some of the family members think yes.
Some of the family members think no.
Here's their biggest objection.
He will not explain why he did it.
And no one is making him do it.
Now, you can't make him do it.
But there's no reason why the judge couldn't have stood him up and told them, you know, if you have any semblance of humanity left in you, which is seriously in doubt, you would explain to these families why you did it, because it would give them not closure.
When we talk about this, you never talk about closure when you lose someone that's beloved or close, or I sure know that.
You talk about helping people accept it and go on with their lives.
It'll always be with them.
If you listen to the extraordinarily moving statement of her sister, you might see it right there.
If you want to look, I have a picture of her sister, of Kaylee Gonsalvez's sister, who was one of the girls that he butchered.
And she did an excellent job of getting out for her and others the frustration that they feel about this and the things that we generally think motivate maniacs like this, wanting to get attention, wanting to be important.
This guy apparently thought he had a very, very high IQ.
Both Kaylee's sister and father did a magnificent job of pointing out the stupid, ignoramous, idiot things he did that got him caught, which had to destroy this guy.
At one point, the little bastard smirked.
It's not allowed in the law, but the father should have been allowed one punch at him for that.
There should have been one punch allowed to take out a couple of his teeth when that happened.
The other families also spoke.
It was all very, very appropriate.
I think helpful for them.
Helpful.
Not the answer, but helpful.
One of the families, the family of Ethan Chapin, who was 20 and also slaughtered, didn't show up.
They believed that his sentence to life, I don't know, kind of satisfied them.
I don't know how the families break down on whether he should have been put before a firing squad or given a life sentence, but I know they split on that.
And then the two young ladies who lived both made, one came and one submitted a statement, and they are suffering.
I believe that I know this because some of my close friends from September, some of my close friends suffer from this.
They don't know why they weren't killed.
I know as a rational issue, we can answer it like that.
I have more than one good friend who's suffering from this, and I've spent time trying to figure out how to deal with this.
It's not their fault, of course.
You think it does any good to tell them that?
what this bastard did I'm not really giving you a terribly intelligent analysis of this.
I wish I could, because my heart is broken for them.
And it did do one thing.
It reminded me why I was a prosecutor.
And it brought me back to some of the cases that I did where justice was needed.
And I tell you, or some in which justice was denied.
The president...
The president is putting in a great deal of money to, and he has from the very beginning, and this is a brilliant thing that he's doing, to jumpstart AI.
And if we were ahead of China and we were in serious jeopardy of falling behind, and we're going to be way ahead.
But the president also raised a legal, moral, ethical, and theological issue.
And let me say it for you briefly because this requires enormous analysis.
And I got to do a lot of reading and thinking to get up on it, but we all have to.
This AI can do things on its own.
Like you can tell it to destroy itself, and it finds a way to avoid that and to turn on you.
Now, it learned that from things you gave it.
It has no, it doesn't have any other method of.
And the president has raised this as something that has to be dealt with.
And it's really wonderful that he did it.
The people who wrote about this in the Wall Street Journal, who I'm very mad at for other reasons, but I do think they wrote a very thoughtful column.
And I don't think this is any way contradicting the president, nor are they doing that.
And they're really saying, you know, he's the only one to raise it.
But Their fear is that he'll just change it to one that is prejudiced toward MAGA.
Well, I don't think he will, but you could even subconsciously do that.
So there are people that are trying to work on what avoids somebody being able to manipulate it.
You think about it.
I'm going to end the show by telling you it, and then I'm going to give you more on it when we get on X and then later tomorrow.
What we need to know is to understand it better.
We need to get into the guts of it and understand it.
They have a lot of terms for it.
They've had some success, but it is now operating in a way that we don't completely understand.
Nothing should operate in a way that we don't completely understand.
Like you never should invest in something you don't understand.
But let's pray for those families tonight, as well as all of the people who are in harm's way.
They're going through something nobody ever wants to go through.
Of course.
You tell me what's worse than losing your child.
Nothing.
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