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Jan. 20, 2025 - Rudy Giuliani
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America's Mayor Live (586): President Donald Trump Sworn in as 47th President of the United States
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Giuliani, and this is America's Mayor Live!
We're very alive, and we're in, well, officially we're in the state of Virginia, in the metropolitan area where the great, great historic inauguration took place today.
And I do say that because I was present for it, and Dr. Maria was there also.
She'll be on a little later.
And I do...
It's really strange.
For the first time, I feel the real joy of the Trump victory.
And what I mean by that is, as you know, if you follow this show, we all through the election way back were doing predictions.
And then we kept trying to do the predictions in terms of electoral vote because that's the way the election is going to turn out.
I mean, popular vote is fine, but...
It doesn't mean you can win the popular vote and lose the election.
And a lot of people think, well, that means you really didn't win.
Well, you focus your strategy on the electoral vote to the exclusion of the popular vote.
So when people say, well, Republicans could never win the popular vote, nonsense.
I could have won the popular vote for Donald Trump.
Back in 16. Just have him spend more time campaigning in New York, campaigning in Los Angeles, campaigning in Illinois.
So instead of losing them by 20%, he loses them by 10%.
And the popular vote would be very different.
If you take out New York and California, Republicans have won the popular vote in almost every election.
So it's a very strange thing.
If you campaign in those places, you would drive up New York, I know best, you'd drive up the vote in upstate New York, and he would win upstate New York rather than by 2%, by the 15%, the 20% that a George Pataki wanted by to become governor.
So don't get all hung up on that.
You've got to run an election.
Based on the rules of the election.
So if you're all worried about the popular vote, you're probably going to lose the presidential election.
Well, as you know, from the very beginning, Ted and I and Dr. Maria, and we had Mike involved and Steven and whoever our guests were every Friday, we would do a, we give you a status, we go to our interactive map, and we show you who was going to win, who wasn't going to win.
At least based on if the election were held right then.
And I don't think there was a time that Trump wasn't going to win.
Sometimes it was closer.
Sometimes it was bigger.
Every swing state, Mayor.
There was a little ridiculous boomlet for tackling Kamala.
And we told you right then, this is going nowhere, that first of all...
I doubted whether it really happened.
It was just the media created.
Ann Seltzer and the Iowa Des Moines Register.
That was ridiculous.
A couple of days before the election, she's going to win Iowa by 6%.
A Democrat hasn't won Iowa by 6% since before the Republicans started.
I don't think it's ever happened.
Everybody called her out for that.
She retired after.
She had to retire.
Did Trump sue her?
He talked about it.
Maybe he should.
I think he did sue her.
I think he did sue her.
Mayor, can you go through your day today?
Today is a beautiful day.
What I was trying to tell you was I knew he was going to win the election as a professional.
As a person who has been running a presidential election.
Participated in four or five presidential campaigns at a very high level.
Run in other elections and participated in those.
I consider myself a professional, right?
So I knew he was going to win.
I was more certain of his winning this election than most elections.
But I also had this strange thing, very hard to describe, this fear.
Fear, absolutely.
Block.
Like, they're going to steal it from us.
And, in fact, today I had some interesting conversations.
People had exactly the same thing.
I just felt like, well, last time we won.
I know we won.
I can explain it to you five different ways.
No need to do it now.
And they stole it from us.
So what are they going to do this time?
And even though by the time it got to Election Day, I knew they weren't, and I knew they weren't capable of it this time, And I knew that we had done a lot of things to stop them.
It was still more of a psychological fear.
So then when we won, I felt like, oh, I'm going to go to bed now.
I'll wake up really happy tomorrow.
I didn't.
Woke up relieved.
Like, thank God we escaped more communism.
And for the last two or three months, I've been...
Happier than if we had lost, but not particularly.
I want to tell you, after seeing him sworn in and the speech and the reaction of the crowd, I'm very joyous now.
Very happy.
Actually, it started when I arrived at St. John's Church this morning for the religious service, which was quite beautiful and exactly what we need.
As I tell you all the time, we need God back in America.
We're not going to have morality back until we have God back.
And you don't have to believe in God to accept that.
You just have to understand that most people have to, if you want to have a moral society.
People need a higher calling, a higher power, a bigger purpose for their life.
That's why a lot of times people who don't believe in God move over to cults instead of just act like normal people.
And he sure as heck brought God back.
With that beautiful ceremony today where he made clear the same thing our first president did.
Our first president started the tradition of going to a prayer service before he was sworn in as president.
Now, he happened to do that in New York because that's where his first president was sworn in, George Washington.
And he went to St. Paul's Chapel.
Should have gone to Trinity Chapel, but it was under repair.
So we went a mile away to St. Paul's Chapel.
And that's the building that was preserved during September 11. Every building around it destroyed.
Every building around it unbelievably, you know, looked like it was bombed, right?
Not only was that building not destroyed, it wasn't even harmed.
The graveyard was filled with debris.
The church itself, perfect.
And the first row of that church is the pew that George Washington prayed in the day he then got up from there, walked to Wall Street, was sworn in as the first president.
Donald Trump today got up this morning, went to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier to honor our veterans, and then...
Went to St. John's Church to pray to God, to ask for guidance and help.
Beautiful.
Exactly what we need.
And then had a ceremony that, although it wasn't outdoors, and there's something about the excitement of it being outdoors, even in the rotunda, that excitement was tremendous.
And his speech was, at least for me, One of the best, if not the best inaugural address I've ever heard.
Because I'm a policy wonk.
And usually inaugural speeches, even when they're good, are more general theme speeches.
There isn't the time to go into policy.
Or at least people think there isn't.
So they will give a general theme.
Now he did have a general theme.
Which is, this is the golden age of America.
Where America has gone through, if you didn't say it exactly this way, this is the worst four years it's ever had.
And I think as a political entity, it's the worst four years we ever had.
Probably the Depression was the worst period we ever had from an economic...
The great, great world wars were probably the worst in terms of our loss of life in the military.
But as a political matter, our political system has never been as shattered as it was over the last four years.
And our political system includes our legal system.
I mean, our legal system is the envy of the world, very often characterized by statements like It isn't perfect, but it's about as close to perfect as you can get.
And that's really true because of that emphasis on people being treated equally.
When you come before the Court of Justice, it doesn't matter if you're rich or poor.
Race doesn't matter.
Certainly not political preference.
And all of a sudden, our legal system became like the legal system of Venezuela.
Or the legal system of the former Soviet Union or Nazi Germany or present China.
It was based on politics.
If you were in the opposition party or in any way prominent in the opposition party, the legal system was used to destroy you, which is what happens in a banana republic.
Just think of the interesting comparison.
During the course of the last year, in order to try to keep down the price of oil, because everything Biden did was totally political, which is part of what destroyed the economy of the country also, because a lot of times political decisions are not intelligent economic decisions.
He needed to keep down the price of oil.
So he went and made a deal with Venezuela.
We had sanctions on Venezuela since Chavez.
And those sanctions have gotten even stronger.
Morales, who is a bad version of Chavez in terms of being a communist, being a dictator, most of the productive and decent people in Venezuela have left before now.
They've been in this country the last four years, five years, six years.
The brain drain from Venezuela was tremendous.
Biden, who of course has no trouble dealing with communist countries, witnessed the fact that two days ago he took Cuba off the terrorist list.
If they're not back by tonight after Rubio is sworn in, I'd be shocked.
So don't worry about it.
But he goes and makes a deal with Morales and says, if you sell us oil, reinstate Chevron, we'll take some of the sanctions off.
And we did.
But you're going to have to have a general election conducted under the same principles that we conduct elections.
So Morales said, yeah, sure.
We'll have an election just like you have.
And he declared his election right away, even faster than Biden's election.
And he conducted the election just the way Biden did, except he's smarter than Biden.
Rather than trying to put his opponent in jail, he actually put his opponent in jail.
So he figured, well, you know, he's trying to put Trump in jail.
He must be trying to put him in jail.
He's got four cases against him.
In one year, four cases.
I don't think anybody's ever had four cases against him in one year.
And not a single one of them made any sense.
This is disgraceful.
It is horrible.
And if you think it stopped with Trump, it didn't.
It certainly affected me dramatically.
Or Professor Eastman, or Mark Meadows, or you go right down to some poor kids that were just poll watchers.
They went after every Trump person they could for the purpose of discouraging us.
They put Steve Bannon in jail, probably one of the most effective spokespersons for Donald Trump, all in an effort.
To defeat him.
Well, that's no longer America.
That's a fascist, communist, authoritarian government, which is what he delivered us from.
And you could feel that today.
You could feel it today when he said that, you know, freedom will be returned to America.
People just got up and applauded wildly.
Probably half the people in that room have been in one way or another persecuted by them, either in their business or their job or their law firm.
So these people were responding to something they never thought would happen in America, which is political persecution.
And the delivery from it is exhilarating.
And the fact that...
He is going to make our borders sensible so that we're not overwhelmed by more people in the last three and a half years than in all of Ellis Island.
I don't think you really, and I don't mean to be insulting in any way, just it's hard to comprehend this, don't think you really understand how many people invaded our country.
Maybe the best way to describe it to you is...
It's probably, bare minimum, 14, 15 million.
Maximum, possibly 23, 24 million.
In 60 years, 12 million people came into Ellis Island.
60 years.
This was all in three and a half years.
If that isn't a dramatic shock...
To the social and political system, nothing is.
Now, when you consider that the borders were opened like this, right, completely, you're going to get the worst people.
You're going to get the worst people because there's no chance of being caught.
There's no chance of any vetting.
If you are any form of an authoritarian leader, it's a wonderful opportunity to get rid of all your worst people.
So when the president even today said that they emptied their jails and their insane asylums and their prisons, he is absolutely right.
And the Biden people either wouldn't accept that or didn't care.
And by the way, that is a communist tactic.
That is exactly what Castro did in 1978 and 1979 to Jimmy Carter.
Jimmy Carter said, well, we'll take everyone from Cuba.
And Castro said, okay, you want everyone?
Here's 100,000 good people.
Here's 100,000 people that have relatives that want to escape, and they want to escape communism, and they have wonderful Cuban-American relatives.
And here's 30,000 that I'm going to pull out of my worst prisons.
I'm going to empty out my criminally insane facilities.
You can have them all.
And that was the Mario Bolt lift.
Which, of course, changed Miami forever.
Miami went from a quiet little city to the crime capital of America for a couple of years.
And, you know, you probably know that from movies.
I know it because that's when I became associate attorney general under Ronald Reagan.
I had to deal with it.
I tried to figure out how to build up law enforcement in Miami so that the...
People weren't leaving because they were in a state of shock.
So this has been done before by communist countries being done now.
And when he said it's going to stop at 1 o'clock this afternoon, I know it's going to stop at 1 o'clock this afternoon because I know Tom Holman really well.
I knew him when he was in the administration.
I kept very, very close to him.
In all the years since.
And it's just going to stop.
And then the big job is returning everyone.
So in a few minutes today, he described the goal and he described how we were going to get there.
And the same thing on inflation.
So that's why I'm saying it's probably like...
A mini State of the Union speech.
A short version.
The short version of the State of the Union.
I think it was really necessary for the morale of the American people to hear not just a bunch of political platitudes, but to hear how the problems that worry you so much, how this is a man and an administration.
It's actually going to focus on those problems and going to commit itself to solving them.
So if you're worried about the price of food, well, he talked about that.
And he talked about what he's going to do to change it.
Which means, here's what it means in the case of any effective leader, he'll try that solution.
And if it doesn't work, he'll try another one.
And then he'll try another one and he'll eventually solve it.
You cannot solve problems unless you accept them.
And the last four years, they've denied every problem.
Every time someone would get a chance to speak, particularly the completely lying son-of-a-bitch Mayorkas, he would say, the border is secure.
Meanwhile, 10,000 people are coming over the border in El Paso, Texas and killing people.
Became the fastest growing organized crime group in America.
Took over the Bronx, New York.
Took over in Los Angeles.
Took over a little city of Aurora, Colorado.
And they are committing crimes from fairly minor crimes to rape, murder.
There also is a tendency in this group that's come over for a lot of these people because they are let out of prisons and insane asylums.
There's a tendency toward perverted crimes, crimes against children, crimes against women, frightening crimes.
That's why it's got to be stopped, and they've got to be rounded up and thrown out.
And the president said he's going to do that.
And you know, once he says he's going to do it, you've got to try real hard to do it.
And if the first method doesn't work, the second one will, or the third.
And the same thing with bringing the price of food and the price of gasoline down.
He'll try every method possible, starting with his great chant, drill baby drill, which is exactly what we should do.
We are third, maybe, in terms of oil reserves.
We're second in natural gas reserves.
Yes, the United States.
We don't have to depend on anybody.
We don't need Saudi Arabia.
We don't need Canada.
We don't need...
We've got plenty of oil for ourselves here in the United States, and we've got more than enough natural gas for the United States and elsewhere.
And Trump had gotten us by the third year he was in office to energy independence.
I mean, Biden has taken any number of steps back from that.
But we're still barely energy independent.
We actually sell oil rather than even use it here.
We sell oil because it's actually cheaper to do it the other way, and we can get a lot for our oil.
But if we wanted to keep that oil, we wouldn't have to buy oil from anywhere.
And the amount of natural gas that we have is probably incalculable.
All that's going to be utilized.
And in a space of a very short speech, he made that very, very clear.
So that's why I'm very excited about the inaugural speech.
It was more than just a few platitudes.
It was, here are the problems.
Here's what I'm going to do about it.
And that's what a great leader does.
So he's off to a heck of a start.
In fact, he was off to a heck of a start before he was inaugurated by changing the government of Canada, getting Mexico.
To stop people at the border.
Hostages?
Yeah, the hostages returning.
Putin's talking peace?
Yeah, Putin is talking peace.
Zelensky's talking peace.
Canada is going to have a new leader.
Well, we'll be back very shortly and we'll have Dr. Maria with us and we'll talk about the inauguration and give you a couple of...
A couple of memories of it so that you can relive it when you watch it.
You know, parts of it tonight on the news.
We'll be right back.
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Welcome back to the Rudy Giuliani Show.
Where we Americans make our lives.
We are Americans.
America's Mayor Live!
I have a couple of announcements, Mayor Giuliani.
We're doing your show, so you may not know that the Laken-Riley bill did pass, and also 99 votes to zero confirmed Marco Rubio for Secretary of State.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so his Senate friends really rallied behind him.
Which I thought was good.
Well, that's good.
He was a very, very good senator.
Whenever he sees you, what does he say, Ted?
Oh, Rudy, he helped me so much and he just didn't want to stop campaigning or something like that.
Marco Rubio.
Yeah, that's right.
And he said it again just the other night.
He credits the mayor big time for helping him.
And I believe that was his first race.
Correct, mayor?
It was his first race.
Well, Senator, my understanding is that the mayor was early in endorsing you back in 2010. Let me guys tell you something.
Quick story.
The mayor didn't just endorse me.
He called me a week after the election and wanted to go after Charlie Crist again.
That is perfect.
I wouldn't ask him.
Charlie, that must have been his opponent, Charlie Crist.
I, you know, Charlie Crist lied to me when I ran for president.
He also lied to Romney and McCain.
So he really is a scoundrel.
But I endorsed him.
I was actually the second person to endorse him.
Bush was the first.
I was the second to endorse him.
And he was behind by a lot.
And he ran a great race.
I mean, yeah, I helped him a lot.
And Jeb helped him a lot.
And the White House obviously did because of Jeb.
But he was just a really fine candidate.
Seems like a nice guy, too.
It's easier to help a great candidate than it is a weak candidate.
That's right.
2015, he was running for president, and I knew his campaign manager, Jim Merrill.
And I was CEO of a hospital.
And Marco, you know, it's busy being, you know, as you know, you ran for president.
Really hectic in New Hampshire.
The press is everywhere.
We're the first in the nation primary.
And he wanted to hide out for a few minutes just to catch his breath.
So Jim called me.
And so I let Marco Rubio stay in my conference room for a little bit.
And I was going to leave him alone.
But we got in a fascinating conversation at that time.
Heroin.
It was really, really, really bad.
And he was talking about it in his districts.
And so he ended up not having private time.
He had an interesting conversation, beautiful woman.
Geez, thank you.
Well, we had a fun day, Mayor Giuliani.
You put this here, right?
I did.
That was your seat at the Rotunda for the swearing-in ceremony.
Of course, you were a personal guest of President Trump.
And so I thought I would save that for you as a memento.
That is so nice.
And here's the...
Well, the day started.
Let's tell them how the day started.
This has gotten a little wrinkled up from the day started at St. John's Church.
Yeah, Episcopal Church.
Which goes back to...
Oh God, the 1800s, right?
It goes back to 1815. Yeah.
To serve as a parish church for Episcopalians, deciding in the neighborhoods in the west end of the District of Columbia.
And it was consecrated on December 27, 1816, beginning with James Madison, every person who has held the office of President of the United States has attended a service of the church.
Several presidents have been communicant.
It's often referred to as the Church of the Presidents.
Pew 54 is the President's pew.
It was lovely.
It was a beautiful ceremony.
Small-sized church overall.
Beautiful.
The choir was spectacular.
I just thought it was so historic.
I felt so honored and blessed.
I could almost get tearful.
And I feel like I represented kind of the common folk.
I'm not a big donor.
I'm not a celebrity.
And to get an invite by the president President of the United States is quite the honor to be in that church and then to go to his swearing-ins.
And on the way out, he acknowledged you.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
Our buddies.
You know, we have a mutual love, and that's Elvis Presley.
And whenever you're at Mar-a-Lago, he plays Elvis Presley.
He plays Elvis Presley, or when he sees me, he tries to play Ave Maria.
He loves Ave Maria.
Yeah.
That's just one of his favorite.
One of his favorites, and of course, Nessun Dormer.
Yes, it is beautiful, Nessun Dormer.
And his tenor today was magnificent.
Now, did he sing at the church?
I don't think he sang at the church, though.
No, he didn't speak at the church.
He sang two places, though, that we saw by him.
I'm surprised he didn't sing at the church, and they didn't do Ave Maria.
Did the choir do Ave Maria?
No, I don't think they did.
I don't think so.
But it's really, really lovely.
I have to say, when the weather, the meteorologists were talking about how cold it was going to be in Washington and it had to be moved inside, I thought, I'm from New Hampshire.
What the heck are they talking about cold?
The cold is so bitter because of the wind chill.
It goes right through you.
And one of the things that I did not anticipate well, and that's the streets being blocked.
So I had this...
Dress on for the rotunda, which I was fine in the rotunda.
I was fine in the church because I didn't realize we had to walk so far.
Out of the Capitol, we couldn't find the bus.
We had to go a little ways for the bus.
Okay, not too bad.
But then they drop us off at a hotel where no one can get near.
Everything's barricaded for like 10 blocks.
Oh, and some of the people on our bus.
We're very, very wealthy donors who are probably 80 or better.
Yes.
I'm thinking, I hope they're not stranded somewhere in Siberia.
Once they stayed at that hotel, that's the only thing I could think of is that they went right inside.
They went to that hotel.
Yeah.
Yeah, I hope that's true because some of them did not look like, you know.
They could be walking seven, eight blocks.
And I want to tell your audience something, although they probably know this because they watch you and listen to you and love you and admire you.
I happen to know some very famous people, celebrities, actors, different people, and I've never seen anybody get the national and international attention as Rudy Giuliani.
People around us are shocked how everybody wants their picture.
Everybody tries to grab them.
Here's the rub about that, though.
This man is very gracious, always tries to say yes.
They get so excited.
It's a historic figure.
They could pull him.
And when a crowded place, I once saw an old lady almost get trampled because people didn't seem to care.
They wanted to get near Rudy.
And I'm like, what is happening?
This poor woman's on the floor.
Let me get to her.
But, you know, we're going through the streets of Washington, D.C. At 11 degrees.
At 11 degrees after the Capitol.
And they want to stop and take pictures?
Here, big choruses.
We're changing alongside.
It takes five times longer to get where you're going.
We did.
We stopped.
We took pictures at the same time we almost didn't make it.
Yeah, ran into a big fan of Mayor Giuliani's.
Almost stranded there.
Frozen inauguration goers.
I couldn't feel my hands.
It was crazy.
It was still cold when we got here.
I'm feeling cold right now.
It's still in my bones.
The ceremony in the Capitol was so beautiful.
In some ways, having been to several inaugurations, I have to tell you it's superior For the people who are there live, because it's much closer, and you can see the expressions on their face, and when they do it at the Capitol, even if you're close, you're not that close.
Yes.
Whereas here, it's much more intimate.
It's small.
The rotunda, those historical murals, paintings.
It's a beautiful story of the United States up there.
I loved it.
And I just filmed the Dr. Maria show on Lindell TV. And I said it was like President Trump could go in our minds and our souls and what we've been feeling.
So despondent over the invasion at the southern border.
The cartels.
The inflation.
And he spoke about it.
Not in a way to get Biden.
Just in a factual way.
His tone.
The tone was much lower.
He spoke facts, but we related to it, right?
We've been living in it.
And then he would say how he's going to fix it.
The crowd kept getting up, even in the rotundals.
It got more, as the way it should in a good speech, as the speech went along, the crowd got more and more engaged, more and more engaged, more and more engaged.
Toward the end, they might as well just stand up.
They were jumping up and everything.
He was like, drill, baby, drill.
Surprised that that got more, although I jumped up when he talked about free speech.
And here's the funny thing about this.
Half the people there have had their free speech abridged by the guy sitting next to him, Biden.
So here I could see in plain view, Zuckerberg, who banned President Trump for two years.
He was there.
Jeff Bezos, whose paper the Washington Post is radically lying about him constantly.
The guy, I always forget his name, the CEO of Google.
He censors people to this day.
I never use Google.
I use DuckDuckGo.
You Google anything, it's going to come up a left-wing perspective.
And when he said free speech, I had to contain myself.
I did jump up, but I wanted to point and say, I don't know if we can find it.
There's something about Musk like a cheerleader.
I think I have it right.
When he said free speech, he was...
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's how he did it.
Just exactly like that.
That's funny.
Yeah.
But it was monumental, to say the least.
It was.
It really was monumental.
And to see his beautiful family there.
Yeah.
They were...
Looking so stylish.
Is that right?
You know...
Ivanka looked stunning.
The thing about him that was always terribly understated, underrated, not considered enough when they would try to do the things.
What a good father he is.
Yeah.
No, it is true.
And grandfather.
It is true.
How many times do we see him golfing?
And grandfather.
For a situation that was under a lot of stress because of the relationships.
But, I mean, also great to his wife.
Yeah.
That they were able to put aside.
Whatever differences they had and had children grow up quite normal.
Yeah, very much so.
And of course, everybody, before the ceremony, everybody, even these senators, congresspeople, they all want pictures with the mayor.
And I see the mayor kind of paying attention to his phone.
He goes, Biden just pardoned his family.
That was right before the ceremony.
Right before he came there.
He did it at 11-something.
You know, right before Trump.
Must have been right before Trump arrived at the White House to drive over.
Oh, yeah.
It had to be.
Yeah.
Because I don't think he was aware until after the ceremony.
I don't think President Trump was.
The president?
The president spoke at the convention center, but the president is pardoning his entire family.
Preemptively.
It kind of proves the title of my book.
The Biden crime family.
Yes, get it.
On Amazon or Skyhorse Publishing, the Biden crime family.
What's odd about this, on my show I played three clips of Democrats complaining that Trump was going to do preemptive pardons in his first administration and how constitutionally it's not going to hold up in court.
I had Biden on tape.
Raskin's one of the ones who got a preemptive pardon.
Schumer didn't get a preemptive pardon, but all the January 6th committee members did.
What about the Shifty Brothers?
Shift?
I don't think he was on the list.
He was at the ceremony today, and I just wanted to go and, like, fling something at him.
I don't know.
It was like an urge.
I don't know.
The president.
Our president.
Our president.
We the peoples.
Today, when he was speaking about it, thinks that Jack Smith was part.
I don't think he was.
You know, that's right.
He was not, but he...
When did he say that?
Was that tonight he asked about that?
At the center?
Well, the president said Jack Smith.
And I think Jack Smith was part.
Oh, no, no, no.
That's not what he said.
He said...
Oh, was Jack Smith on that list?
Yeah.
That means to me that he might be looked at.
Jack Smith might be looked at.
There's no doubt he'd be looked at.
With your lawyer hat on, you are the most brilliant attorney of our century, really.
You had more prosecutions than any other prosecutor, much more success than anybody.
What is the preemptive?
There's no crime yet.
That's why the constitutionality of it.
Is in doubt.
Makes sense.
The biggest thing that you would argue in favor of it is the word pardon is there unqualified.
The president has the power to pardon.
Well, does that mean anyone, anytime, under any conditions?
Probably yes.
But here's the rub.
The word pardon, as is true of other words in the Constitution, when you look for a definition of it, you have to go back to English law.
And specifically, when they were incorporating a pardon power for the president, they were comparing it to and wanted to be the same as the pardon power of the king.
Now, the king could not pardon for unknown crimes.
Is it in the Magna Carta?
It's not in the Magna Carta.
It's in great literary, like Blackstone and all the great literary works.
English law developed differently than ours.
English law developed by the courts, not by a legislature.
The courts originally defined murder.
They originally defined theft.
And then they defined the extension suit.
Eventually, the parliament came along and passed laws.
So the concept of pardon was developed in the courts, and there were some limits to the king's pardon power, because believe it or not, the concept of pardon in English comes from the sacrament of confession.
It is considered similar to the sacrament of confession.
You acknowledge your sin, you promise not to sin again, and you're forgiven.
But you can't be forgiven unless you acknowledge yourself.
And then you need the act of contrition.
Well, you can't go into a confessional and say to the priest, forgive me.
The priest has to know what he's forgiving you for.
Well, the same thing was true with the king.
The king had to know what he was pardoning you for.
How would this end up in court?
So say the Department of Justice finds...
I'm going to make this up.
Raskin broke the law.
He's got this blanket preemptive pardon.
Does it now go to court?
Yeah.
Because there's nothing written on that.
The Justice Department would have to take the risk, and it would have to adopt the Office of Legal Counsel, would write an opinion, assume they come out the way a number of law professors do, that a pardon does not include a pardon for all crimes, Known and unknown, particularly the unknown ones.
And because that was exactly the definition of it at the time it was put in the Constitution, they'd have to bring that case.
Raskin or whoever was indicted would have to challenge it, that it's unconstitutional.
And then it would quickly get to the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court would decide.
And I think it would be very, very close.
It would be...
The interpretation of the Constitution as against years and years of sort of an understanding of the pardon power, that it's complete.
But, of course, this has never been decided either way.
The Supreme Court hasn't decided that a preemptive pardon is constitutional, hasn't decided it was unconstitutional.
So how can that be challenged, Mayor, at this point?
Well, the Attorney General would have to ask the Office of Legal Counsel.
The Office of Legal Counsel is like the...
Think of a corporation.
It's like the general counsel for the government.
Each agency has a legal counsel.
But I want to go beyond that agency for an opinion.
That's wider and broader.
You go to the Office of Legal Counsel, which is in the Justice Department.
And the Office of Legal Counsel tells agencies, when the court hasn't done it yet, this is constitutional.
This is not constitutional.
Or if the president has a question about constitutionality, then his counsel would give it to the Office of Legal Counsel.
For example, the rule that you can't indict a sitting president.
Comes from two opinions of the Office of Legal Counsel.
One in the Clinton administration.
The other, I think, in the Bush administration, I believe.
One is a Republican, one is a Democrat.
Both of them concluding that the Constitution, because of the impeachment power, doesn't allow you to indict a sitting president.
The court has never decided that.
So that's interesting.
Considering all the preemptive pardons we saw today.
Yeah.
I think there will be a challenge.
Especially, they have to, the Department of Justice has to look into the Biden crime, have to.
There was so many red flags on over 150 different accounts.
All the different LLCs that they did money laundering through.
I don't know.
I feel like if we don't hold people, it's not going after your political enemy.
It's holding people.
Holding people to account to the law.
And if we keep letting, when we let Hillary have a pass, that's political.
You know, it really is disgraceful, given the things that the Bidenistas and the Biden cabal did to Trump in manipulating the law and indicted him to think that aren't even crimes or all the people they've got.
Gone after and indicted, that they are now ensuring that they won't be.
It's like we can commit crimes like crazy and you can't touch us, but we can go after you for crimes that never even happened.
And they've ruined our justice system as a result of that.
And it has to be fixed.
And the only way it can be fixed is by not a lot and not crazy prosecutions.
But ones that are really demanded, that are really necessary.
And I think that's going to happen.
I have no doubt that Pam Bondi and the people she's around herself are not going to shirk their responsibility of going after the people that they have to go after, maybe even challenge this pardon power.
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Rudy Giuliani back with America's Media Live with Dr. Maria.
Yeah, we're going to go live to the Oval Office.
And he's got my favorite pen to order.
Protecting the American people against invasion, which again deals with the...
If I were there, I'd probably slip a couple of my bottles.
While he was at the arena, whoever...
If they show this guy, Rudy, he's having this guy announce what he's signing.
And he had him do that in the arena, too.
I didn't recognize him.
Now, for people who've never been in the Oval Office, it's smaller than you think.
It's actually a small room, a very historical room.
What did I say small?
It's smaller than you think.
Because you have monumental ideas about it, but it's a lot bigger than the normal person.
Two to three times the size of the normal person.
Yeah.
Well, you had a big office.
I had a big, you remember the office.
I had a huge office.
And it doesn't even feel real, right, when you're in it, because you see that in movies or on other sets where it's like, it almost feels like a set, right?
For me, it was a weird...
You're right.
It's a weird...
Now, I have a little story to tell.
My father, he hates the story for some reason, but it's the truth.
So, Trump's first administration, first time in the old office.
Remember the picture of John John and his dad, President Kennedy?
A lot of people won't remember it.
Yeah, but they might remember the picture.
John Kennedy was in the White House.
His son was, what, about four years old?
Oh, yeah.
Little toddler.
Or little tyke.
And you see him coming out of the desk.
So, like, there's space underneath it.
So I'm looking at President Trump's desk, and it looks solid.
And so I question the mayor.
I said, Mayor, do you think they changed the desk?
It looks like...
The Roosevelt desk.
But where would John John have come out?
So I'm looking around, looking around, making sure President Trump's not in the room.
Nobody's going to see me.
I go under the desk, and it was a little kind of hidden drawer.
She got under the desk and crawled there.
It came out.
It came out of the president's desk underneath.
And if he came in, he would have loved it.
She's all worried that he might come in and see it.
It was a Christmas party, so it was all dressed up.
He would have loved it.
I mean, you should show him the picture sometime.
You should show him the picture sometime.
He'll laugh.
Look, look at the smile on his face.
So can we hear it?
Who knows what he's doing right there?
Somebody left him a note.
Maybe that's Biden's note.
You know, every president leaves the prior president a note.
It'd be funny, but some love got them from Jill.
Yeah.
Are those now the new pictures?
Is that President Trump's pictures in the back?
Yeah, they are.
He's got those up there right away.
And the medals, a lot of medals and pins.
Those are the coins.
The coins that you get, right?
Yeah, I was going to say, he had that before.
His dad's in the back.
He looks good, right?
Is that Ibana in the front?
I don't think he's got an ex.
He looks great.
He looks like the way he's been going the last two days.
He looks like a friend.
Look at him.
He looks like he's having fun.
I'm thinking in terms of 25% from Mexico and Canada because they're allowing this vast numbers of people.
And the disgraceful way in which he had to be in Israel.
Knowing, look, you may doubt it, and you have a right to doubt it if you want, but I know, and he knows, he was cheated.
Yeah.
I mean, I can almost tell you what he won the states by.
By the way, very similar to what he actually won them by in 2024. We go back and remember all those swing states that he won this time?
They took from him last time.
Yeah, that's right.
And remember the night he was ahead in every single one of them.
What are the odds that you're going to stop counting the guys ahead in every one of the states, and then in every one of the states he loses.
He doesn't even win one.
Yeah.
In, like, Pennsylvania.
Mathematically, he couldn't have lost it.
800,000 votes they had in Pennsylvania.
Except in Philadelphia, the art of voter fraud is a profession.
Everybody else are amateurs.
They're professionals at it.
They cheat in elections they don't have to to keep in shape.
And Detroit's pretty close up there too, Mayor.
It's not Atlanta.
Detroit's the one that covered the...
Windows, right?
I see what we're doing.
We're cutting the show.
We're going to cover up the windows.
Atlanta.
Yeah.
So he's...
What a vindication, right?
New York.
They did the whole January 6th hoax on him.
The Russian collusion hoax didn't work, so they tried that one and that worked for a while.
And Dr. Muriel, why would...
You feel the need to pardon an entire special committee in Congress and their entire staff on an investigation.
The committee are a bunch of criminals.
The committee are also people...
That would have exonerated a lot of people?
Those people are the people that attempted to have him thrown out of office based on a completely fraudulent charge that Hillary Clinton paid for.
And they all knew that Hillary Clinton...
She paid for the Russian collusion story.
She paid over a million dollars for it.
And then they used it to try to remove him from office.
Now, that's pretty close to treason.
And they all knew it.
Biden knew it.
Obama knew it.
Shifty Schiff knew it.
Remember?
Shifty Schiff said, I've got two witnesses who have direct evidence of his being involved in collusion.
But where are they?
What happened?
They disappeared?
Where are they, Schiff?
I mean, the guy is a massive liar.
These are all the same people.
California voted for him for Senate.
Look at Cheney tampering with that female witness who lied about- Oh yeah, Hutchinson.
Cassidy.
Apparently she's got some mental- and I don't mean to make fun of this.
But she's got some mental illness, I guess.
I know she's lying.
Liz manipulated her, probably.
I don't know.
That is known that they were working with her lawyers.
Alyssa Farah Griffin, I believe, is involved, where they were communicating.
I think it's quite possible she lied about everything.
I mean, originally, when you heard that story of Trump going over the top and...
Yeah.
It's like the same thing in the Steele dossier that he urinated on a bed.
Yeah.
I mean, the minute I read the Steele dossier, I know it wasn't.
Look, I've read a lot of intelligence documents.
If you read that document, you know immediately it's a contrived document.
It's not an intelligence document.
They're not going to write whether somebody urinated on a bed or not.
It's totally ridiculous.
And I am shocked that some of the people in the Senate of the House bought it, including John McCain.
Can I tell you, I had an author of a book about Russiagate on my show last week, and he said everybody knew almost immediately.
Like, everybody.
The FBI knew it was fake.
Comey knew it was fake.
Barr.
Like, everybody knew.
It was fake.
Because I was his lawyer at the time.
So, okay.
By the time you're at the second page, you know it's a work of fiction.
Now, all you got to do is check out a couple of things.
They make a few factual assertions in it, like...
Who was it?
They said someone was in Russia.
No, Cohen was in Prague on a certain day meeting with Russians.
On that particular day, Cohen was in Los Angeles at his My Kids cry out.
For college baseball scholarship.
Not only that, Cohen's never been to Prague.
So all you had to do, if you were Comey, the lazy bastard, all you had to do is ask to see...
Comey said they didn't verify the dossier.
And then later on, he said, it's very hard to verify.
Well, that's why we pay you the big bucks, director.
It's not hard to call up the...
It's not hard to call up if you're the head of the FBI. It isn't hard to call up the passport office and say, pull Cohen's records, see if he was in Prague on, blah, blah, blah, date.
Or they also have another one where they said they went to a consulate in Miami to get something.
The consulate doesn't exist.
They never had a consulate in Miami.
So what you do, I hope to start that court, the FISA court.
Because you are the sole presenter of the facts, the facts are not challenged by any opponent, and you are taking tremendous, tremendous liberties with a person's privacy.
You're tape recording everything they do.
You're watching everything they do.
You've got to feel an extra burden of being accurate.
So you go out of your way to corroborate.
Now, I hired Comey.
Comey knows that.
So when he wrote down that it was verified and put his signature on it, he was lying.
He should be in jail like that.
He knew he lied.
Well, it's been a great, great day.
The events are not over.
Thank you, Mayor.
I'm going to give you a list because he's still doing it.
I hope he gets to go to the polls.
He may not make it.
He may sign the car.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I've seen him.
He's got thousands of people waiting for him.
12,000, I think, at Liberty.
That's what I heard.
More?
Yeah, 12,000.
They might as well put it at Capital One.
Might as well just keep it.
12,000 people?
At a ball?
30 p.m.
But anyways, you're going to knock him.
Okay, well.
We're the best day in a long time.
In American history, this will be one of the great days.
Because this will reignite the golden age of America.
Yes, he wants to make America great.
He can make it even greater than he thinks.
Believe me.
And the talent he has around him will ensure that.
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It's our purpose to bring to bear the principle of common sense and rational discussion to the issues of our day.
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It was a book written in 1776 that guided much of the discipline of thinking that brought to us the discovery of our freedoms, of our God-given freedoms.
It was Thomas Paine's Common Sense.
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The ability to select the people who govern them.
And he explained it in ways that were understandable to all the people, not just the elite.
Because the desire for freedom is universal.
The desire for freedom adheres in the human mind and it is part of the human soul.
This is exactly the time we should consult our history.
Look at what we've done in the past.
And see if we can't use it to help us now.
We understand that our founders created the greatest country in the history of the world.
The greatest democracy, the freest country.
A country that has taken more people out of poverty than any country ever.
All of us are so fortunate to be Americans.
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