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Aug. 14, 2023 - Rudy Giuliani
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America's Mayor Live (E211): All Eyes on Fulton County, Georgia This Week
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Good evening, this is Rudy Giuliani with America's Mayor Live from New York, back in New York.
And, uh, well, I don't know if Fulton County could have started it any worse than they did, but they began what apparently is going to be another indictment of breaking the law.
Now, I have looked at the charges that they leaked, and if they're crimes, I'll eat my hat.
They're no more crimes than the nonsense that Bragg has put out, the moving around of the documents in Mar-a-Lago, the First Amendment, Prosecution by Smith.
And this is yet another First Amendment prosecution where we got a dispute between Trump and Georgia.
Trump says the election was stolen.
Georgia says it wasn't.
Trump has a right to say that.
And not only that, he had plenty of probable cause, evidence, The mere fact that people were telling him it's not true doesn't mean they were telling the truth.
All of them are questionable characters.
The Attorney General, for example, hid a document for a year and a half that laid out all kinds of problems with the campaign, even though he pronounced the campaign relatively perfect and lied about it.
The guy who testified today, or I guess going to testify tomorrow, I can't remember, uh, who was involved in this has been a never Trumper from the day he heard about Trump.
And, um, and the governor, well, there's a very strange circumstance that no one wants to mention.
And that is the governor's, uh, former press secretary.
Or Chief of Staff, I'm not sure, is now the Press Secretary for Dominion.
You know how that happens in politics, right?
Come on.
You're not stupid.
So, what they did today was they leaked an indictment.
Here it is, right here.
Here it is.
Is it easier to see this way?
Or is it easier to see this way?
I'll do it both ways so that people can see it.
Hold it up here.
Well, I've got two, so there's one.
It kind of...
It's kind of light, but you see 1257.
It says here 1257.
If you read very, very carefully, I'm going to show it to you in a minute, but you can look at it on the screen there.
Can you put it on the screen, Tim?
I've got to bring it up real close to myself here.
It says details.
Now, when this first came out, they said, oh, this was nothing because it didn't have a case number.
To be official and therefore an illegal leak, there has to be a case number.
Oh, there's a case number.
Felony.
See?
If there's an indictment later tonight, I can assure you it will contain no crimes.
I know this case backwards and forwards.
They're not crimes.
They're one more attempt To add another burden to next year so that Trump can't run for president.
I mean, if this were legit, why would you even charge it?
The other three have already charged everything imaginable.
If they can't convict him in those three, I assure you, you're not going to do it in Georgia.
How many times exactly do you indict a man for essentially the same thing, complaining about an election?
The only reason to indict him four times is so you can put him on trial four times and you can prevent him from running for president.
But somehow, doesn't that sound unconstitutional to you?
It sure sounds unconstitutional to me.
It also sounds illegal, authoritarian, fascist.
I mean, it's the Nazis.
Well, here it is.
It has a case number.
It has a file date.
Oh!
It was filed on August 14th, 2023.
It was filed.
They didn't tell us about that.
And it, uh... And it has a case type.
It looks like GC, General Complex.
That's a great description.
It's got a judicial officer whose name is Rachel L. Carnesale, or Carnesale.
And the status, it's open.
Case is open.
Just gets leaked out.
Once again, it violates the law of Georgia, every other state, and the United States government to leak grand jury material.
There's only one person who has this material, and that's the DA.
The party.
Oh, gee, let's see if we can, let's see if we can leak that out, too.
Donald John Trump.
Uh-huh.
Gender male.
Well, and race white.
Charges against Donald John Trump.
Well, there are apparently 39 charges.
They can't have one or two.
It's gotta be 39.
I assure you, it's the same one or two or three things repeated 39 times.
But the first one is racketeering.
There are, it looks like there are four.
Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act.
Now, usually in those, when I had predicates, there were things like, oh my gosh, there was the Castellano case where they chopped up like 30 bodies.
And there was a Teamsters case where they took over for the mafia, all of Las Vegas.
See, I was a real prosecutor.
I really prosecuted crimes and criminals.
These people are Disgusting political hitmen.
That's why you get things like the fifth count is solicitation of violation of oath by public officer It's like that sound like somebody knocked on the door and solicited that you violated your oath You know like they solicit your contribution to Jehovah's Witnesses then there's a conspiracy to commit Impersonating a public officer.
Now that could be an interesting one.
Who were they trying to impersonate?
Then there's another conspiracy.
These are a lot of conspiracies for a short period of time.
They must have been just like running around agreeing with each other on all kinds of little conspiracy here, little conspiracy there, little conspiracy here.
You think possibly they were Trying to find out if the election was stolen?
What do you think?
Is it possible?
Maybe in good faith, even though you and Georgia are geniuses and you know all, and you know it wasn't stolen, maybe they believed it was just because people showed up at the polling place and said they had voted already when they didn't?
Like lots of them did?
Somebody had voted for them beforehand.
You think maybe they were suspicious because you refused to allow Republicans to inspect the paper ballots?
Oh, you fought like hell over that.
Even when they alleged that a lot of the paper ballots looked phony because they were pristine and they hadn't been folded, you never allowed an examination of the paper ballots, a forensic examination ever.
Governor fought it.
AG fought it.
You all fought it.
You think it might be fair for the president and the people around him, like me, to say, gee, if you were so sure it was a perfect election, like Rauschenberger said, you don't let us see that paper until hell rose over.
What the heck?
I don't mean you give it to us.
You stand there.
We have 30 cops around.
Show me the paper.
Let me touch it.
Let me have Mr. Pulitzer test it.
I was even willing to make a bet with you.
If you let me do that, I could overturn the election.
You don't have a sense of humor, huh?
I don't have any doubt.
Unless you got rid of the paper by now.
There's an ATF agent who alleges you burned a lot of paper about 20 miles outside of Georgia.
You never wanted to hear about that, right?
Oh my, let's see what else we got here.
Conspiracy to commit false statements and writings.
Conspiracy to commit forgery.
Conspiracy to commit filing false documents.
False statements.
See, a false statement can be what you say is false.
I'll give you an example in a different context.
If I filed a statement that I believed that my natural immunity was as good as the vaccines, you would have said that that was a false statement and it was misleading people.
A year ago, now you were the one making the false statement.
A false statement is a question of the side that you're on.
These are not objectively true or false.
There's plenty of evidence that Georgia had a screwed up election.
Plenty.
And plenty of evidence that the Attorney General was either covering up or living in a never-never land.
And certainly when it came out that he was hiding an entire report about problems with the election, that sure kind of smelled, didn't it?
I don't know.
But it looks like they're going to... Well, they took this back, this thing here, with 39 pages, with 39 counts.
But now, I'm looking over here, but now apparently the grand jury Or at least some grand jurors and the judge stayed behind.
And it could be.
That they're filing the indictment now.
Unless the grand jury stayed behind.
Because there are questions that they want the judge to answer.
That could be.
I'd say it's more likely that they're going to file, but.
Could be that they have questions.
It is a little odd because I thought they had a witness for tomorrow.
Some guy was blabbing all over television, he's gonna testify tomorrow.
I think so.
But, you know, given the fact that they leak stuff, it doesn't seem to me that they kind of follow the laws and the rules precisely.
And this, after all, isn't really a real case.
This is a blocking and tackling action to add one more in the way of stopping him from being able to run in 2024, because this would be the fourth case.
Really, realistically, should this indictment happen, And it's anything but a very simple case, which it doesn't look like it's going to be.
It looks like it's going to be, you know, like the magnum opus.
But this will have to be tried, you know, after the other three.
Unless they would like to defer to this one.
I don't know if Trump has something to say about it also.
I think he's got an excellent argument that this whole thing is not about prosecution for crimes, but it is about a tactic to stop him from running for president, and that it is unconstitutional.
It violates directly his First Amendment right to run for office.
This is what it's aimed at.
You wouldn't do four of them.
If you really were interested in prosecuting them, you'd pick your best one or two cases.
You'd go with them and you'd nail it.
But they don't have a best one or two case.
They don't have a best one case, much less two case.
So that's what we're dealing with.
That is what we are dealing with.
And, um, I thought, I thought that we'll hang out as best we can.
I see Lindsey Graham is on right now talking, but he would have no further information about a grand jury than you or I or anybody else does.
That wouldn't stop him from talking, but still.
One of the issues that's come up that we can spend a little time on is everybody makes a big deal out of, well, Joe, there's no proof that Joe ever got any money.
What?
First of all, there's the best proof of all.
There's his son saying he gave him the money.
He said, for 30 years, I gave him half my income.
For 30 years, I paid the expenses, all the expenses for the family.
And that's good enough to start with.
It's called an admission.
Kind of satisfies that whole part of the case.
But I mean, you can pick out, I'll pick out just a few things from the hard drive that I had time to find, and some of them were in the post here.
1996, he took a job with the MBNA Bank, and he got an excessive amount of money.
And with that, he was expected to pay the tuition for his brother, Beau, and the tuition for his half-sister.
So, you see what we say?
Where he says, I had to pay all the expenses of the family.
This is what we would call the corroboration of it, right?
The corroboration of it is he's paying for his sister's tuition and for his brother's tuition.
The younger brother usually doesn't pay for the older brother's tuition, nor does he pay for his half-sister's tuition.
Usually the parents pay for that, right?
Well, maybe it's really the parents' money.
And this is the way you launder it to them by paying for, as he says, I paid all of the household expenses.
Now, the household expenses got to be really big because Joe lives in a mansion, a four acre estate.
So you get plenty of tax going back to 2000.
Of all kinds of charges that Joe was paying.
I mean, these were taken over by Eric Schwerin, who spent more time talking to Joe as vice president than I think Obama did.
And Joe Schwerin was the guy who squared up the bills between Hunter and his dad.
between Hunter and his dad. Here's a text in 2010 with a number of routine bills that Hunter was paying and
Eric was sending him, and they were getting paid by Rosemont and Seneca partners,
Joe's expenses.
Uh, then there's, um, then there were another group, a little note sent over to Joe.
There are a few outstanding bills that need to be paid and I'm not sure which should get paid out of my account.
He wrote Hunter on June 5, 2010.
There's about 2,000 extra in my account beyond what has already been used for monthly expenses.
There was a $1,239 bill for air conditioner repairs in mom mom's cottage.
There was a $1,475 bill for a paint job at the Four Acre Estate.
There was a $2,600 charge for a stone retaining wall and then some money for shutters.
Joe.
Hunter is paying for all of this.
This is part of, just a small part of, the proof that the laundering here, what happened is, money came to Hunter, Schwerin kept a record of it, Hunter paid all the expenses, Hunter kicked back half the salary to Joe.
Hunter distributed some of the rest to the other parts of the family and kept some for himself.
That was the business deal.
That, my friends, is a racketeering enterprise, not this craziness, this phoniness.
And this illegal leak in Georgia, which tells you all you need to know about how serious this is, the fact that they leaked it out on a piece of paper today, like a bunch of amateurs.
The whole issue has also come up Because now the White House and Abby Lowell, who has gotten his clients into more trouble than anyone could possibly do, they go around saying now that the president was never in business with Joe Biden.
Now, for 10 years, it's been the president doesn't know anything about his foreign clients, doesn't know anything about his foreign business, never met any of his foreign business people, has no knowledge of his foreign business, never talked to him about his foreign business.
And now there's about 50 pieces of evidence that show that Joe Biden very extensively talked to his son about foreign business, including a tape recording in which Joe basically admits it, and pictures of foreign clients all over the place.
Witnesses like Bob Olinsky and Galears and Devin Archer that all talk about his being very familiar with the business, all of Joe's, Hunter's business people.
Everybody's talking about it with the news, right?
And now they switch it from that, because now it's obvious that he's been lying for 10 years about talking to his son's foreign business contacts.
In fact, 23 times he came on the phone at the end of a deal and blessed it.
And when asked, Archer said he damn well knew it was a business deal.
So now it becomes they were never in business together.
This is what...
This is what the genius Abby Lowell told Caitlin Collins, who definitely is playing ball for the Biden side.
So, uh, not doing a good job, though.
She constantly swings them.
It's like, here, she really, she really, I'm not trying to abuse you yet.
This one here was, this is a beauty.
She, she asked, she asked Lowell, you know, she asked Lowell, did he, well, did he, was he in business with his father?
Well, Lowell doesn't answer the question.
He goes, this, he says that, he says this, he says that.
Then she finally says, but did he, was he in business with his father?
Never answers it.
Well, you want the answer, Caitlin?
Why don't you do a little work?
Look at the hard drive.
Never in business with the father.
First of all, Bob Belinsky testified that he was a critical part of the business.
But what about that?
Gilears, his partner, backs it up.
Devon Archer said he unequivocally knew all about the business.
There's a document that shows he's going to get 10% of a deal with the Chinese communists.
and that he's going to get it. And there's also a document showing that he's getting keys for the
office. Of course, he was in business with the father.
There are at least 10 pieces of evidence that say that.
So pretty soon when those evidence comes out, they're going to say, but he wasn't in a really big business with the father.
Look, they've committed more false exculpatory statements to go to jail for about 50 to 100 years.
And it's getting to be ridiculous to watch this Pierre liar get up there and lie every day, every day.
And then to watch this guy, Abbey Lowell, just not answer the question.
You might as well admit it, Abbey.
You might as well just admit it.
I mean, it's about as clear, it's about as clear as it gets.
Let's see.
Let's see if I have it here.
No, I think it'll be on the other one.
Unfortunately, let's see.
Thanks for joining us.
America's Mayor Live, episode 211.
Is that it?
211.
Wow.
We haven't missed a weeknight since October 2022, Mayor.
How do you like that?
We're already in August, making our way to September of 23.
I'm 23.
So as the mayor, I'm trying to find this clip.
I'll just share the latest one clip that we're hearing.
And that's that the grand jury and the judge, of course, have been asked to stick around for an extra hour.
The voting is happening now.
And what we're being told is that we may hear within the hour the results of the grand jury vote.
We'll try to stay on to find out what Just want to see if I can find this part with Abby Lowell, but I can't.
Here's what I will find for you that I thought was quite interesting.
It was Joe Rogan on his podcast.
I thought this kind of sums up everything just very succinctly.
Yeah.
Go ahead and put it by the mic.
Hold it.
I want to make sure it's on here.
Okay.
Joe Biden's been a goof his whole career.
He's always been a goof.
He's been caught lying so many times, so fully.
There's so much evidence he's corrupt.
Just undeniable evidence of corruption.
And the stuff with him and his son, and then the guy who just testified that was business partners with Hunter.
We talked about all the different things that Joe was involved with.
Yeah.
It's undeniable.
The fact that they, the mainstream news is ignoring this except for right wing media.
It's crazy.
Maybe that's why he's number one, huh?
Yeah.
He's just like totally straight.
I mean, this is the common sense, obvious observation.
How can you look at this and not realize it?
Joe Biden's been a goof his whole career.
He's always been a goof.
He's been caught lying so many times.
He's so foolish.
There's so much evidence he's corrupt.
Just undeniable evidence of corruption.
And the stuff with him and his son, and then the guy who just testified that was business partners with Hunter, who talked about all the different things that Joe was involved with.
Kevin Archer.
Yeah.
I think we know what the cutouts are.
I think we know what the cutouts are.
Huh?
We do.
We know what the cutouts are.
right-wing media. It's crazy.
I think we know what the cutouts are.
So, we've got a case of massive corruption at the highest level of the United States government
with, without doubt, the biggest corruption case involving a United States president in history.
And we have a bunch of stupid, ridiculous, silly little cases that are handled by people who leak rather than investigate, in which they are duplicating the same thing over and over again.
and trying to turn what has traditionally been the exercise of First Amendment rights in this country
into a crime.
So we're awaiting possible Trump indictment in the Georgia election case, and we're going to
see if it's filed. And And we will find out
How many of those counts made it?
How many did Joe get his people to put in?
And just when they intend to try this case in 2024, with three others ahead of it.
A racketeering case, which it isn't.
Bye.
It's really a desecration of calling it a racketeering case.
This is a dispute with some questionable public officials.
These are highly questionable public officials about whether there was cheating in this case in a city that's one of the most crooked in the United States, Atlanta.
And this is what they got the time for.
They got crime like crazy in Atlanta.
This is what they got time for.
They got corruption like crazy in Atlanta.
And this is what they have time for.
Now let's take a look at the special prosecutor in the case.
This is ridiculous that he's a special prosecutor.
Special prosecutor is supposed to be independent.
The guy's had the case for five years and done nothing with it.
Not only didn't do anything with it, it's even worse than that.
He let the statute of limitations run on the most serious tax charges.
The ones in 2014 and 2015, when they got over $8 million from Ukraine.
Statute of limitations gone.
He said he wanted to try that, but he wasn't allowed to.
Although Garland said he had power to do anything he wanted to do.
Somebody's lying.
Him or Garland?
Maybe both.
Right?
Now, the Justice Department rules say you pick somebody outside the Justice Department.
Well, he's not from outside the Justice Department.
And not only that, he operates completely under the authority of the Attorney General.
This is an independent counsel, a special counsel, that's in name only.
In other words, it's the usual Biden, Democrat, Communist, 1984 double talk.
He's independent, except he can't do anything on his own.
The Attorney General has to approve his indictment.
Whatever powers he has now been given, according to the Attorney General, he already had.
He already had the power to indict any place he wanted without permission.
Actually, he actually has less powers now.
He's actually had this case for five years and screwed it up.
When you let the statute of limitations run, you screwed up a case.
So you pick the guy who screwed up the case.
You pick the guy that made such a sweetheart deal with Hunter to let him get off every major count and not go to jail at all.
And you give him the entire case.
What are you signaling?
The same thing you're signaling when you pick this guy Smith to do Trump's case.
And the last big case he had was headhunting for a governor.
Case was thrown out, ain't nothing because of unethical behavior.
So you're looking for an animal to try that case, right?
It's just going to run all over him.
And on this case, you're looking for a guy who fixes cases for a living.
I mean, this is disgusting.
This is absolutely disgusting.
So you wonder how they're getting away with it, don't you?
You really wonder how this slimeball Garland gets away with this.
Got a son-in-law out there making money on trying to convince kids to change their gender, making millions while he's condemning parents as terrorists.
Because they're worried about their kids?
Look at that, special counsel baloney.
Complete baloney!
Why else leave Weiss in charge but to fix it?
Garland has claimed essentially that Weiss has had all the powers of a special counsel all along.
Was he lying again then or is he lying now?
By pretending the prosecutor will get new powers to investigate and bring charges.
He's already delivered a joke of a plea deal.
He's shown utter contempt for the rule of law.
The regulations around special counsel require that they come from outside the U.S.
government.
That's to add a measure of independence.
Well, none.
This is a brazen move by Joe Biden and Merrick Garland to try to sweep everything under the rug.
You do not have to be a genius to figure that out.
So you are looking at the person who started all this.
Me.
The first one who brought out everything having to do with Joe Biden.
Nobody did before that.
Several people knew it.
None of them brought it out.
I was the one who put out the hard drive.
And you know, aside from Donald Trump, I'm the one they probably hate the most.
The day Biden entered the race, he wrote a letter to all the media saying to keep me off television.
I was actually quite complimented that they were so damn afraid of me.
I mean, again, if it wasn't for me, you wouldn't know about this.
I doubt that anybody else would have gotten this out because I tried everybody else.
You can't believe the people who didn't want to touch this except me.
So now I will find out tonight with this.
And as you see, I'm very nervous and sweating and upset whether I'm going to be indicted, which does trouble me greatly because I value my reputation beyond anything.
And I find that what they've done here is reprehensible.
And I feel it's reprehensible with regard to me, my family, my career, and what I've done in my life.
But more than anything else, I feel it's reprehensible because I can't say to the world that America is an honest country.
I don't run America.
You don't run it.
They do.
They run it dishonestly and crookedly.
And they run it the way a banana republic is run.
They run it the way East Germany was run.
They run it the way Soviet Union was run.
They run it the way Hitler ran Germany.
They indict their enemies.
They literally, literally have given, have put so many indictments on Trump, he wouldn't have the time to run for president.
I mean, some court has to come in and issue an injunction and put all those cases off until after After the election's over, because these are no longer prosecutions.
These are deliberate impediments to running for president.
There's a case some time back where people would charge money to run for office.
The Supreme Court held that that was a violation of your right to run for office.
Well, this is a lot worse than having to pay money.
This is you won't have time.
You won't have money because the money's gotta be spent on the cases, but you won't have time to run.
There's a certain period of time in which you get to run.
They got that all filled up with criminal trials and cases that you just can look at them and they're laughers.
They're they're they're they're laughers.
Well, we can't get it.
Well, I just wanted to go over a couple of questions if we can get into,
of course, the details.
I happen to be speaking to someone who has a little bit of experience as a federal prosecutor.
And so, Mayor, this leak, the release of this... I have none as a federal defendant, I will tell you.
Well, this leak, or inadvertently posting the first page of the indictment online, Did that, I mean, sure you were working for a time, you know, before we had all this on the internet, and during, I'm not aging you, but Mayor, have you, did you ever have a, what is this document, a grand jury state, what is that known as?
An indictment?
Have you ever had an indictment leak like that?
Uh, no.
Never had an indictment leak.
Not that I can remember.
And what that is, is the cover page.
That's the cover page of an indictment that outlines what's... as you... I mean, it speaks for itself.
It outlines what... that's not... that's the cover page of the indictment.
It outlines what's in the indictment, so it can be given a number, put in the system, and assigned to a judge.
It's the...
I mean, rather than having to carry around this 39 counts, who knows how many pages it is.
Could be 100 pages.
Rather than having to carry around the 100-page indictment, you use that as the cover sheet.
Now, every district is a little different.
The one in the Southern District is a little different than that.
First of all, it's in larger print.
You can read it.
It's essentially, I mean, it contains the name of the defendant, the case number, the date of the indictment.
Here it says the 14th.
It says he was indicted on the 14th of August.
It says it there.
So I would imagine what they're doing now is reporting that.
It looks like, let me go back over it again, but I thought I read it right.
Now you say, well, no other names are here.
So don't you feel comfortable you weren't indicted?
No, no.
There could be separate sheets for every person they indict.
They don't necessarily have to put it on one.
Ah, yes.
You could go either way with this.
I mean, you could, you could, um, normally you would put all the defendants on one sheet to show Really to show the judge the length and breadth of the case because you're supposed to let a judge know whether it's a simple or a complex case so the judge can determine what kind of time they have to get it into their calendar.
Now they do call this a general complex.
Don't know what that means under their rules.
There's probably a definition of a general complex case.
Probably one that takes more than a month to trial, let's say.
Okay.
You want to distinguish between the one to 10 day trial and then things that go over that.
So this is a general complex case.
I don't know if they have designations for even more complex cases.
Maybe they do.
So you get that information and you get the information that it's Donald Trump and you get the information that what is it?
I hard to read this here.
This last part right here, date of birth, date of birth.
They leave out.
I mean, they have exits through it.
They've sort of, uh, They don't have an extra male gender.
I guess that's pretty clear in Trump's case.
Or race, white.
And then they have an outline of the charges.
And then they have the date.
At the end, which I guess is the alleged date that the crime was allegedly committed.
Well, and that's one thing- And they range from about November of 2020 until January 2nd of 2021.
Let's see if there's anything beyond that.
Oh, my goodness.
Yeah, there is one.
There's one here on September 17, 2021.
And then another one on September 17, 2021.
And that is solicitation of violation of oath by public officer.
And then a false statement and writing.
Must have been something submitted to the court.
So it doesn't give you much information, but it gives you some.
It's a lot of accounts, and it would be rare to have a RICO case with only one defendant.
Almost always have.
Of the defendants, I guess you could have co-conspirators.
Not the way it's usually done.
I mean, there are co-conspirators usually in a Rigo case, but there are also some live defendants as well.
So, we'll have to see.
We'll have to see what we see.
Yeah.
Of course, the longer and the more complex the case is, the less chance it gets tried in 2024.
That's, that's right mayor.
So as when, and just for our audience, right?
Everyone's that's watching the news, they might be watching our show while having the TV on in the background.
They're saying the grand jury's voting.
What does that process like?
It sounds like they voted.
Okay.
It says here, who knows how careful they are.
But that sheet you're looking at was prematurely released, right?
Well, it doesn't matter.
I mean, Is it accurate?
Chances are they're voting now, right?
Well, it says here they filed on the 14th of August, 2023.
Wow.
It says- So maybe that was a pre- File date.
Yeah.
Boom.
So that must have been their plan all along.
So I don't think you'd put the file date down until you filed.
Unless they knew they were going to file later tonight and they put the file date down As of today, because they knew they were going to file as of tonight.
That's the only other thing I can think of.
And then we have no, we have no indication of what the, of what the substance of this is.
I don't, um, no hints at all.
Okay.
Nothing that gives away the substance of it.
Except we know that Trump believes that he won Georgia, that there were a lot of different instances and different kinds of fraud.
He has lots of information to back that up.
Information that, you know, I guess would have to be tested at trial, but that's the way it always is at this stage of a lawsuit.
But more than enough To justify his having a reasonable belief that the case was stolen from, and certainly more than enough for a lawyer to defend him on that ground.
Remember, a lawyer is supposed to be on his side.
A lawyer is supposed to see the evidence in the light most favorable to the To his client.
So if somebody comes along and says, this is untrue, but the client says it is it, and here's something that supports that, you gotta go with the client.
Unless it's so obvious.
And rarely in these situations is it so obvious.
Certainly not in this one.
That's why the idea of indicting all these lawyers is so unfair.
They are in a position where they have to take what Donald Trump says, And they have to support it and support him.
And unless there's a clear lie, and a clear lie is not they say one thing and somebody else says another.
That's a dispute of fact, which is what a trial is all about.
So that's why courts are generally pretty careful to give lawyers certain amount of leeway to make statements So, Mayor, anything to read into the timing?
We're approaching 9 p.m.
Eastern on a Monday night.
thing to read into the timing. It's we're approaching 9 p.m.
Eastern on a Monday night.
Is there a chance that that earlier leak forced them to move this up?
As you said, the date on that leaked document was the 14th.
Do you think there's a chance?
Now, I wouldn't know how to answer, obviously, without being a lawyer.
You've been through this process.
And maybe you may not have enough to know, right?
But I know what is a 9 p.m.
indictment.
Yeah.
I mean, the other thing they could do is seal it.
It is not unusual to seal an indictment.
You don't tell anybody what's in it.
You seal it.
Then you go out and arrest the people without letting them know who it is.
Now, that's a little silly here because they already let Trump know.
If they wanted to seal the indictment, they screwed it up by leaking it.
And by the way, I want to emphasize to you, this is a pretty serious crime, doing this.
Of all the crimes listed here, that's the most serious.
Their crime is the most serious.
Yeah.
The rest of it is like bullshit.
It's like bullshit.
Wow.
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So as we continue observing what we're watching here.
It'll be a first experience being framed.
The indictment is, um, they're voting and we are awaiting the results.
Uh, the courtroom is full in Atlanta.
What do you think?
You see, you see the president?
How do you figure they're lining up in terms of prone?
You think there's anyone there who might think that this is unfair or that this is a, just a ruse in order to prevent him from running?
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Come on, you need, I mean, you don't, you, you naturally have certain things, but you need vitamins and you need, uh, minerals and you need all the things that, um, no, no one is, You know, programmed just to be healthy, you've got to do the right things to remain healthy.
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That's right.
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And you could be like Joe Biden.
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You'll be tripping going upstairs.
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Well, let's give our little girls back.
So, of course, we are awaiting a potential indictment of the president, and we'll see if anyone else is included.
On this, the fourth indictment, which would be the fourth indictment, of the 45th president.
Of course, before this, Jack Smith and Mr. Bragg, the Manhattan DA, have beat her to the proverbial punch, so to speak.
I mean, I think they're trying to show now, they're trying to show now that these police officers are attempting to file the indictment.
So the clerk seems to be signing it now.
It's all on camera.
It is all on camera.
I've never seen it done this way before.
Not only on camera, but they got the cameras in the hallway.
Made for TV.
Oh, and they're marching it out.
Oh, they're making a real big thing out of this.
Oh my goodness.
Oh my goodness.
Are they going to play music?
Right?
This is, all right, we gotta, we gotta be careful.
This is really, I mean, this is, This is a show.
Yeah.
This is the show.
This is the definite show.
Oh man, there's going to be the March.
This is, this is, this is wrong on for so many reasons.
And this is chapter seven.
Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to give you chapter seven in the book.
Frame Donald Trump.
It began with, it began with, um, Russian collusion.
We'll put it up to my mic.
And here it is, Georgia leaking.
Oh, not everybody can fit in the elevator.
There's gonna be a little fight here.
Sorry, pal, you can't go with the rest.
Oh, the poor little guy.
Didn't get to see what we're watching.
They just jam packed a bunch of folks in the elevator.
That must have been newspaper.
That was print.
The print guy was left behind.
I'm trying to get an illegal leak.
Fall behind you print reporters.
They're making their way up the elevator.
I'm looking at a picture of Donald Trump, and I feel very sorry for him and what he's gone through now with the fourth indictment.
And I feel sorry for any of the others that are involved in this.
And if it involves me, I feel sorry for me, too.
But I really feel sorry for the American people.
I really do.
I mean, this indictment I believe, without even seeing it, I think this indictment goes nowhere because it's number four after three others.
It's not going to get tried next year.
Impossible.
Impossible to get tried next year.
Even if you weren't running for president with all the other cases, if it is in fact a RICO case, those are complicated.
And there's tremendous discovery involved.
So I would say that this is clearly being done to try and jam up.
This is clearly being done to try and jam up.
Yeah, of course.
So we're going to pick up some coverage from Atlanta First News.
We'll have that playing so folks can follow along.
Well, they have a camera in the courtroom.
Yeah, apparently this whole thing is going to be... The jury is now walking into the courtroom.
It looks like the police officer has the indictment, which from my perspective looks rather thin.
Now it doesn't.
Now it doesn't.
Well, Mayor, of course, we're approaching soccer time.
Now we can stay on here and Give live reaction.
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because this is, I mean, this could very well be taking place
in East Germany in the 1980s.
This has about as much to do with the law.
Is Alexander, you're prepared to take this?
I guess I'm delivering it to the clerk.
You'll maintain custody of it from here?
Yes, sir.
Well, this is definitely a show.
All right.
Can you take the certification, or does it go with Madam Clerk?
All right.
Thank you all.
Yes, you too.
How big is that book?
There's a second part to it.
What did you say guys?
or a magistrate, well they don't have magistrates in schools.
60?
50?
If it were in federal court, it would be delivered to a magistrate, not a judge.
How big is that book?
There's a second part to it.
What would you say, guys?
60, 50, 60 pages?
Now she's walking away with it, oh boy.
She's not sharing it with anybody.
Come on, they already leaked it, you can tell us what's in it.
So, you all need to leave.
I mean that politely and nicely, you've had a long day, but these folks can't go.
Is that the joke, Toby?
I know we have talked about leaving the equipment here.
Don't leave the equipment here, because you're not going to want to be here tomorrow.
You're welcome to be here, but you don't have a rule 22 for what's going on tomorrow.
It's just good old trial stuff.
OK, so there's still a little bit of mystery, as the papers you saw, that packet of papers
I don't know what's in it.
Exactly what those papers say, whether they are the indictments that everyone has been anticipating, remains to be seen.
We do know that the court is going to make these statements and the indictments available, whatever it is, on their website.
So a lot of people are now refreshing their computer screens to see when that information is posted.
But this is a grand jury that is deciding whether or not to hand...
Well, I'll tell you what has happened so far.
So far, the case has been filed with the court.
The judge has signed it, accepting it.
The clerk is now going to enter it into the record, and the indictment is sealed.
The indictment is sealed, which means it cannot be read.
What?
Yeah, well the indictment's sealed.
That means it would be a violation of the law to disclose anything in the indictment until it's unsealed.
So what happens next?
Why is it sealed?
Well, I'll tell you why you seal an indictment.
You seal an indictment to go arrest people.
You seal an indictment so that you now would proceed with arrest warrants for the people named in the indictment.
And you do not let them know because you're afraid they're going to run away.
This would be done typically in a terrorist organized crime, might not even be done in a violent crime case unless there was evidence that the person was going to run away.
If the person has been in court responsive to the court, their lawyers have been responsive to the court, you wouldn't do this.
So I don't know why they would seal this indictment.
There's nobody on their prospective list that hasn't been cooperative with them.
And if they were to just go out and arrest people, it really would be a gross violation of human rights.
I'm almost, I'm almost speechless, Mayor.
If they tried to do it to the President, former President of the United States, they'd run into the Secret Service problem.
For no reason.
I mean, he's been indicted three times before and he's shown up three times before.
There's no reason he wouldn't show up for this thing.
Yes.
I don't know if this is just see there is there could be a.
Could be a...
There could be a limited purpose to this.
It's sealed.
So that nobody talks about it until it's put on the website, and it'll be put on the website momentarily.
Momentarily.
So everyone gets it at the same time, basically.
Yeah, that could be right.
So that's potentially what's next.
So the clerk delivers the sealed indictment to the judge.
That's a formality to show, look, here it is.
Yeah, the judge has to approve it.
So what, he just looked at it and approved it?
Yeah, it's a pro forma approval.
All he looks at is the vote sheet.
He's not approving the legality of it.
The judge has to do that eventually.
And what he's doing is approving the formality of it.
That it was done, okay, here it is, boom.
He looked at what we looked at.
He looked at the fact that it was filed.
He probably got the vote sheet that we didn't have.
It might not have been a unanimous vote.
You don't need that for a, you just need a majority vote for an indictment.
Yeah.
That looks like the grand juror is now walking out of court.
So people seem to be moving to another part of the courthouse.
The cameras have been allowed in the courthouse.
I mean, we're watching these cameras.
And they're in all the hallways, the different parts of the courthouse.
So the indictment is sealed.
Will we receive more information tonight as far as who's in it?
And wouldn't the parties in this sealed indictment, would they not be made aware of this ahead of time or their attorneys or somebody?
I mean, that would be nice, but no.
I am looks to me like the next thing we're going to find out is this is going to be put on their website.
Okay.
I think that's the next thing that's going to happen.
If not, if they don't put it on their website, they keep it sealed.
Then I, I, I can't imagine what the, I can't imagine they're going to go out and arrest people.
Now remember, in order to arrest people out of state, it's not that easy.
They have to go to a state court in that state and get permission to do it.
Interesting.
So we're watching live coverage outside the Fulton County Courthouse.
Of course, we've now hit the nine o'clock hour.
We're well into soccer time, as we like to call it, and we'll be staying with you as we cover this.
So if they wanted to, I can't imagine that they do, but if they wanted to arrest Donald Trump, they would have to go to a court in Florida, and they have to get a court in Florida to issue the warrant based on their indictment.
Now, is there a chance a court in Florida would say no?
I don't think so, because there's nothing... the court in Florida doesn't get to... Well, I mean, I might, if I were his lawyer, I might contest it as an illegal political indictment.
Bingo!
If this were a foreign indictment, it would definitely be objected to as political.
In other words, if this were an indictment, if we were trying to arrest somebody in France based on this indictment, you would allege in a French court that this was a political indictment.
In a French court?
Yeah.
And I'll tell you why.
Extradition treaties do not cover political prosecutions.
Ah, got it.
We'll call him back.
Um, that makes, that makes sense.
So they seal this indictment.
One possibility is that they're looking to get permission basically, right?
From another state.
I mean, what's the, what's the point of federalism and having the separate, having these states, you know, individual states rights, if, If the court weren't able to say, in Florida, weren't able to say, whoa, this court in Georgia, what you're doing is unprecedented.
It's dangerous.
It's obviously political.
We're not going to go along with it.
So no.
That would be very unusual.
From the face of the indictment, it's hard to see that.
So you'd have to have a hearing.
I mean, it'd be interesting if they go to a Florida court and they ask for an order of extradition.
The defendant does have a right to oppose it.
And if he opposes it, he can get a hearing.
And at the hearing, he would try to show that this is a Not a legitimate indictment, but a political act.
That it follows three other indictments, all by Democrat district attorneys in Democrat states, for things that are perilously close to permitted speech under the First Amendment.
That the net effect of all of this is to prevent him from running for public office, which is a
violation of the Constitution, arguably.
We can hear, we can, we can listen to what Ted is saying.
Ted Cruz is speaking outside the courthouse, it looks like.
Is Ted outside the courthouse?
Yes, it looks like that.
That's very impressive, Ted.
I don't know where he is.
He's somewhere.
There he is.
It's hard to tell, because the courthouse is on one side, and he has people in back of him on the other.
If anyone out there that knows where Ted Cruz is, comment below.
Let us know.
He could be in Texas actually, with people there that are interested.
Might not be good.
Might not be a bad idea having him in court.
So we're hearing 10 indictments, Mayor.
10 indictments?
Yeah.
10 different names are listed in indictments.
10 different names?
Yeah.
We're hearing 10 names in the indictment.
Yep.
OK.
Good.
We have no idea.
Well, that's a guess.
Yes.
That's a guess?
That's not even for sure?
Oh no, but what we do know is that 10.
10 names.
So we're now hearing 10 individuals will be a part of this indictment.
Presumably President Trump Being topping the list.
Hard to say who else might be included.
Well, we know President Trump because we got the leak.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
the rest where...
And now of course they're talking about the Jack Smith prosecution and and and so a different case, but the Jack
Smith prosecution another political persecution a great point that Ted Cruz is making and that's
that Jack check.
Smith was behind the prosecution of one Bob McDonald.
Bob McDonald at the time was being discussed as the future of the party.
And by the time he was vindicated, of course, he was destroyed.
He was destroyed.
Up until you and I talked about this, I didn't know the truth about that case.
which is why the president should go to court and have all of these cases enjoined.
I don't think he should stay live.
What did he say?
I don't think he should stay live.
So we're just waiting now.
This is moments ago on the left.
Of course, we saw that earlier.
The indictment's been sealed.
And.
Well, I think we've covered everything that we can cover.
We will find out in a little while if it's going to cover some more defendants.
I assure you, if it covers more defendants, ain't gonna leave me out.
I was the number one person to point out Joe Biden.
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And we'll be back tomorrow night, and we'll have a lot more on this, and we may find out tonight.
Since it's sealed, they may reveal it in the morning.
We'll see.
All I can tell you is, don't be down.
We got a chance to fight back.
It's called the 2024 election.
I can assure you, from my point of view, This is a completely unjustified, disgusting act of retribution because I had the temerity to reveal the single biggest scandal in American history.
And for that, my parents are proud of me.
I don't give a damn about the rest.
How do you like that?
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Very few.
Well, the ones that do are the ones that I would consider my friends.
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