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Dec. 6, 2022 - Rudy Giuliani
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Latest Hunter Biden Federal Felony Revealed in LAPTOP FROM HELL | Guest: Miranda Devine | Ep 295
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Hello, this is Rudy Giuliani, and I'm back with you with Rudy's Common Sense.
This episode, we're going to deal with the new, if they're new, revelations by Hunter Biden that emerged from his book and his interview.
And we're going to talk to someone who's become quite an expert on it.
And like so many other subjects, she has written very authoritatively, very in-depth about this.
So it's a real honor to talk to her and interview her.
Miranda Devine, who is a columnist for the New York Post.
Are you a contributor on Fox?
You're on there so often, it seems like you should have your own show.
Yeah, I'm a contributor there.
So, Miranda, have you had a chance to read the book or just excerpts of it?
Yeah, good morning there.
Yes, I've read the whole book.
I got it a couple of days early and it's not very hard to get through because there's really not a lot there.
I mean, you know that because you were the one who tipped me off to the laptop last year, that I've been right through the laptop.
And when you compare the reality of his life through that period to the sort of self-hagiography that he's written in his memoir, Beautiful Things, they're chalk and cheese.
The only thing he's open about to any extent is his crack addiction.
And, you know, that's problematic in itself.
Well, how far back does he say he became an addict?
Does he go back to his childhood or his time in the military?
When does he actually, does he locate a time when he started?
Yeah, he says that when he was eight years old, he was in Delaware.
His father had just won reelection to the Senate and he sneaked a glass of champagne under a table and drank the whole thing during a sort of a post-election party that his parents were having at the local school.
And then he says that a few years later he went and had a sleepover at a friend's place and they got drunk.
And then he sort of doesn't mention much else about his teenage years other than sort of casually mentioning that at the age of 18 he was picked up by the police for snorting cocaine with a couple of friends in a car Parked car outside a party.
So he was well into the hard stuff by, you know, his teenage years.
I assume he never got arrested for that.
The police actually came and knocked on the door.
I think they, he said they cuffed him, but no, he had some sort of a legal issue, but it was expunged from his record, I presume, because he was so young.
I'm not sure we can read anything untoward in that.
But we do know that in Delaware, Joe Biden has a lot of pull with law enforcement and everybody else.
Basically, the Bidens run Delaware.
So the reason I ask is I don't want to delve into his weaknesses or frailties.
Everyone has problems and issues and drug addiction is a major problem.
The difference here is we have drug addiction.
Involving a man who earned millions and millions of dollars.
It would be yet another reason why they wouldn't be paying him, they'd be paying somebody else.
When you look at his history of drug addiction, from the hard drive and the other investigating I've done, is beyond the norm.
I don't know if there's normal drug addiction, but he's a high-level drug user, let's put it that way.
He uses drugs, it seems, almost every year that I investigated him and going in and out of rehabilitation.
So it puts another issue there about why would somebody pay him $3 million or someone pay him $8 million or someone pay him anything.
So it's pretty clearly established that he's addicted to drugs.
Well, look, the whole memoir is about his drug journey.
And what's beautiful about it?
Well, I mean, I think the beautiful thing about it from his point of view is, A, he got two million dollars reportedly in an advance, and B, he thinks that this is a way of inoculating himself and his family from the very damaging contents of the laptop.
He as much as says that, he boasted yesterday in a CBS interview, one of many that he's doing in promoting the book, is that when he, back in 2019, I don't know if you remember, but he gave a very candid interview to the New Yorker.
He says in the book that he would lie in bed in his motel room talking to the author of that article while smoking crack.
And when it came out, there was a real shock and people said, well, Why would he do that to his father, who's only just launched his presidential bid for 2020?
And this was only the New Yorker article was only a few months after he abandoned his laptop at the MacBook repair shop in Delaware, which in itself was only eight days after Joe Biden actually formally announced he was running for president.
So the New Yorker article looked like a real slap in the face to his father.
Very damaging.
In fact, according to Hunter, yesterday on the CBS interview, he was congratulating himself.
He said that he was basically smarter than any of Joe Biden's professional media advisors because he knew that by giving that interview and being candid about his drug use, that he was going to inoculate his father and the campaign from any sort of dirt that might be brought up about his crack addiction.
So in other words, if he could establish he's a crack addict, which he is, the sympathy from the left would be so great that he could pay bribes, take bribes.
illegally possessed weapons, make false statements on federal forms. He could basically do all these
things that the hard drive demonstrates that he did, beyond any doubt. And the liberal left would
just swoon and say, poor Hunter, he's just a poor little thing. Now, does anyone have asked Joe the
question, isn't it a fact that Hunter used a lot more drugs than thousands of people that went to
jail as a result of his 1994 crime bill, and most of them African American? Well, yeah, exactly.
But, you know, Joe Biden has a very pat and actually it's been very successful response.
He gets rave reviews from the establishment media every time he uses it.
He used it to great effect in that debate against Donald Trump.
When he said, he looked down the barrel of the camera and he said, you know, like a lot of you out there, you Americans, my son has an addiction problem and I'm so proud of him because he's beaten it.
And, you know, I mean, it is true.
A lot of people do have addiction problems and everyone has sympathy for them.
But this is not a story simply about addiction.
This is the story of the son of the president, the son of the former vice president, Who was monetising his father's name, who had an influence peddling business that was, you know, rampant throughout the world that Joe Biden himself, as we see from the material on the laptop, was involved in.
He was aware of it and he was actively involved.
And it also involved other members of the family, particularly Uncle Jim, Joe Biden's younger brother.
Who is sort of a mentor of hunters in this family influence peddling business.
And, you know, it's not just that they're raking in lots of money in this very untoward way.
It's also the fact who they're getting it from, chiefly China, which means that, you know, you can only assume that Joe Biden as president is compromised, that the Chinese have something on them because they have paid them so much money and they didn't do that for free.
And it's the same with Ukraine.
As you know, Burisma, which was paying Hunter Biden $83,000 a month for from, you know, early 2014, April 2014, until just after his father left office as vice president.
And then they cut his pay by in half because Because he was no longer as useful to them, which was pretty obvious why they had hired him.
But Burisma got their money's worth because Joe Biden went in to Ukraine, threw his weight around, he's boasted about it, and demanded that if they were going to get USAID, that they had to sack the very prosecutor who was investigating Burisma, which was a corrupt energy company in Ukraine.
And that prosecutor was fired.
And so it was mission accomplished.
It was great money well spent by Burisma.
Mykola Zoshefsky, who ran Burisma and is a major figure in Ukraine organized crime, a Ukraine oligarch, a man who stole five billion and made his money by being a government minister, giving himself the best leases for five years.
I mean, he could be, it's hard to say, the crookedest man in Ukraine.
You have about 20 people that would vie for that title, but he's right up there.
Doesn't it occur to you, Miranda, that all this sympathy for Hunter, maybe that's appropriate, but what's a father doing involving a son who has this terrible affliction from the time he's eight years old?
with some of the crookedest people in the world.
Sloshevsky, the wife of the mayor of Moscow, she's quite a character.
She might have been involved in deposing her own husband as mayor and became very close to Putin.
So this is really one of, you know, one of the nicer people to introduce a weak drug addict to.
Then in China, just two years ago, they went into business with three Chinese spies, members of the Chinese Communist Party.
That's the deal where they were going to get $10 million a year, and there's the 10% for the big guy.
So let's get to the laptop.
He sort of admits it's his laptop, but he doesn't.
He said it could be, absolutely could be, but he doesn't remember missing it.
Now, how is that possible, since he was missing another one, too?
You know, the other one was seized by the FBI in Boston from Dr. Abalo, and the FBI gave it back to them at the request of Hunter's lawyer, because it sounds like the FBI's working for them.
In this particular case, the merchant kept the laptop, but this isn't the only laptop that was missing.
So how could he not realize when he got sober and he had to use his laptop again, it wasn't there?
It makes no sense.
He has to be lying about that.
Well, yes.
And it's pretty obvious when you look at him that he's lying.
But he, you know, as an addict, I guess, you know from the laptop how many lies he tells to his family.
It's just second nature to him.
And I mean, as you know better than anybody, Rudy, the laptop, there are so many receipts to demonstrate that the laptop belongs to him.
And one of those things is something you pointed out yesterday, which is that Hunter's lawyer, George Macias, actually phoned the Mac repair shop, John Paul Mac Isaac, who's the owner of that, on the evening that the New York, before the New York post, we were running our first story and asked for the laptop back.
And he did that because we at the post had reached out to George Muvir and told him that we had the laptop.
So that was the first that they realized that it was going to be a problem for them.
And I guess they panicked and phoned the Mac repair shop, give us back the laptop.
And, um, you know, I mean, John Paul Mac Isaac was wise enough, uh, not to fall for that, but, um, and, you know, I, We should actually point out what a hero he is.
Sorry, yes?
Just to show people this is one of about eight, including ones with his signature that have been matched.
I mean, the reality is, from the very beginning, it was his, but I was accused of, and you were accused of, using material we got from the Russians, using material that was hacked, Using stolen material and all of that was just a complete lie to cover up this information so that the American people wouldn't hear about this before they voted.
I mean, it's about as cynical a conspiracy as you can get.
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And now we'll continue with our interview with Miranda Devine, but let's get to the laptop.
What, Tell us, in the material that's there, isn't there a pretty clear admission that Joe Biden was sharing in all of this?
I mean, particularly the document regarding the conspiracy or the business with the Chinese Communist Party members, where at the very bottom of the memo, which I think I see in front of me, it says 10% for the big guy.
And now we're talking about a lot of money.
This is like a million dollars upfront, 10 million a year for three years in order to make introductions.
That's, I imagine that's very well paid work.
I didn't realize he got $10 million for making, I am now going to go into the making introductions business, but doesn't, isn't that about as clear as you can get that Joe was involved in it?
Yes.
And it's, look, the big guy we know from Tony Bobulinski, who was Hunter's business partner, he came out last year, handed over the contents of three of his phones with a lot of very damning material, a lot of it matched up with what's on the laptop.
He gave that to the FBI.
And he confirmed that the big guy is Joe Biden.
And that's further confirmed by many other documents on the laptop, emails, text messages, which refer explicitly to Joe Biden as the big guy.
That seemed to be a just common way of talking about Joe Biden in communication with Hunter, the big guy.
At one stage, one of the Burisma people, a foreigner, Vadim, described, I think it was, no, no, it was someone else, a guy called Vuk, described him as the big man.
So big guy, big man, it's Joe Biden.
And then there's another email or text message that Hunter sends to one of his daughters at one point.
He's quite peeved about the demands for money from his kids, I guess.
And he says, well, you know, at least you're lucky you don't have to give half your salary to Pop.
And Pop is the name that Joe Biden's grandchildren used to call him.
So Pop, was getting 50% of Hunter's salary, according to Hunter, and Hunter had been, according to Hunter, supporting the entire family for 30 years.
So he is just explaining that he is the bag man for the Biden family.
He's the front man, he goes out, he monetises the family name, doesn't do much, just waves the flag, sits on a board, is there, and we also know from the laptop how involved he was with his father.
I mean, he would, people would come to him as if he were the sort of courtier in the court.
And they would, you know, there's a judge on there who goes to Hunter and says, look, would you mind putting my name forward, you know, basically to your father, because I'd like to be elevated to the district court and here's my CV.
People were always coming to Hunter and, you know, asking him to do favours for him.
Or get his father to do favours for him, basically.
And, you know, sometimes I think that got quite wearing for him.
I mean, he often didn't answer his emails.
He didn't answer his text messages.
He'd just go AWOL, presumably on a drug bender.
And it was interesting with Verisma.
I mean, he had very few duties, judging from the laptop.
He talks in the book about how arduous these duties were.
And that the $83,000 a month really wasn't out of kilter with normal Fortune 500 payments to board members.
In fact, it's 12 times the amount that board members in the US and a comparable sized company would make.
I mean, they make about $83,000 a year, not per month.
That's about a million dollars a year.
not per month. That's about a million dollars a year. And also, Miranda, his partner for a period
of time until he got arrested and convicted, Devin Archer also was getting the same amount of money, and it was coming into the same firm.
So if you want to look at it as the firm's income, they're making more like $170,000, $180,000 a month.
$170,000, $180,000 a month.
And that gets closer to $2 million now for the Biden business.
Yeah.
Well, and later on, Hunter actually got the money siphoned not into the business account, but into his own account.
I've used this in podcasts in the past.
There's also a transaction in February of 2016 where they get an additional three million laundered to them.
And if you match up those records with the records at Devin Archer's trial, You see the $3 million coming into the firm, but it doesn't come directly in.
It goes from Ukraine to Latvia, Latvia to Cyprus, and then Cyprus.
This one transaction lays it all out.
So the question I have for you is, this is kind of a silly question, but it leads to something.
If you were an FBI agent, wouldn't you jump out of your seat when you saw that?
And say, oh well, we've got a subpoena.
We got a subpoena now, his records, both records.
Joe has five houses, I think.
He has five homes.
That's a lot of homes for a senator and a schoolteacher.
According to him, very likely he paid for some of those.
I have seen records that he paid for the tuition of the daughter, Joe and Jill's daughter.
So records would tell you how much he paid for, yet the FBI not only never investigated, they never even took a step to look at this.
What's wrong?
These are obvious either crimes or highly incriminating facts.
I did this work for 18 years.
I couldn't possibly have passed this up.
It would have been a dereliction of duty.
What's going on?
Well, I mean, it's extraordinary.
And, you know, in our discussions previously, you've pointed out just as extraordinarily when Devon Archer, Hunter's business partner, was arrested and then convicted over this fraud to do with ripping off Indian pension funds from Indian reservations, Native American tribes.
You would think that prosecutors would try and milk him, try and come to some sort of an accommodation with him, get information with him about Hunter.
Somehow, Hunter, who was involved in that business, that Burnham business, and actually received around $500,000 from it, at least, that we can find on the laptop, Um, and was an executive director of it, uh, intimately involved in meetings and, uh, planning for it, um, escaped scot-free.
He just, there was nothing at all that was pinned on him.
He was not regarded as being part of this business.
And three of his partners ended up going, uh, getting convicted to her in jail.
Um, and Devin, uh, Archer is awaiting sentencing.
He managed somehow.
Even though his case didn't look any different from the other two, he somehow managed to get a judge to order a retrial.
So he seems to be skating along, getting the kid glove treatment.
Not quite as kid glove as Hunter Biden, but still pretty good.
And as you have asked, why was he not leaned on to provide information about Hunter?
I mean, there are a thousand questions that emerge from this hard drive.
And some pretty clear, straight-out crimes.
The one that's hardly the most serious, but one that is so easy for people to understand is the situation with the .38 revolver.
I mean, Joe, I mean, Hunter buys himself a handgun and he puts down on the form, the form is a federal form, everyone has to fill it out.
The left wing makes, you know, this is currently their biggest issue, you know, gun control and guns not being in the hands of people who are mentally disturbed, criminals or addicts.
Well, you got one.
You got one to prosecute.
Joe, son, goes in and fills out that he's not involved with drugs.
No.
And isn't there a picture of him just a few days earlier with that crack pipe?
Yes.
Eight days before he signed that firearms registration form, swearing that he was not an addict and that he had never taken illicit drugs, he was photographed Asleep with a meth pipe a crack pipe in his mouth He was he was fresh off.
That was the middle of a bender That was the year he even admits in his book and we know on his laptop.
He was completely out of control He was he in his by his own admission.
He was smoking crack every 15 minutes because it's only a very short high and and that was That was the time when he decided he was going to buy a gun.
He bought it, I think, on October 12 of 2018.
And on October 23 of 2018, his then partner, lover, Hallie, who was also his brother's widow with whom he was living, went, took the gun and threw it in a trash can outside a market in Delaware.
And she did so at the time She said because she was concerned about him and his volatility and his welfare, but also the welfare of her children because they lived with their two children.
Now, Hunter has changed that since to say, oh, she was worried about me committing suicide.
I think she was worried about a lot of things and it wasn't just suicide.
And so Hunter Biden somehow managed to skate free.
On that, no one looked into it.
The Secret Service, we're told, reportedly went immediately to the gun shop where he purchased the gun only two weeks earlier and asked to get a copy of the firearms registration form.
To his credit, the owner of the shop said no, because he has to keep it for the ATF.
And this was after Joe Biden and Hunter got Secret Service protection.
So they had to reach out to the Secret Service and ask for a favor.
And the favor basically was to kill this case.
I mean, I know how strictly the gun laws are prosecuted.
In fact, in some cases, I think it's almost overzealous in the way they're prosecuted.
I remember a football player who didn't up his license, it wasn't current, and he shot himself in the foot and he went to jail for a year and a half.
He shot himself in the foot with a gun.
So, I mean, this guy clearly violates the law that says that people who are impaired shouldn't have a gun.
The liberals I mean, that should drive the left wing nuts, if it were normal.
So what happens?
I mean, they just have a license to do anything they want if you're Biden?
said earlier, he was alleged to rip off Native Americans.
I mean, that should drive the left wing nuts if it were normal.
So what happens?
I mean, they just have a license to do anything they want if you're Biden.
I mean, you can, you can deal with the crookedest man in Ukraine.
You can get money from the mayor of Moscow's wife and you can blatantly
violate the gun laws and you're a prince.
I mean, what is this?
Well, it's Biden immunity.
And look, I think Joe Biden is not a very bright guy, particularly now, but he's certainly very crafty and cunning.
And he's had a long time, many decades in politics to hone That one skill that he has.
And he knows how, it seems that he's driven by creating myths.
And you see just recently, he doesn't do much else in the White House, but he did invite some historians in so early on in his reign to help him shape his presidency for posterity, because that's what he cares about.
He creates myths.
He's created a sort of Camelot myth from very early on about his family.
He admired the Kennedys very much.
There was a quip that the Kennedys quote the Greeks and Joe Biden quotes the Kennedys.
He is just obsessed about having a compound, a big Irish family compound like the Kennedys.
He loves to create a myth That he is this wonderful, kind father and that everything's hunky-dory with the family and that he's this archetypal Catholic who goes to Mass every Sunday, even though he's a great abortion enthusiast and in his Easter message the other day didn't even mention Jesus Christ.
So, you know, there's a lot going on behind the mythology that he creates.
But I think part of that mythology, the central part of the mythology and what's propelled him Ford was that great tragedy, which I mean, you know, no one denies that that was an awful tragedy, just heartbreaking, where he lost his wife and his baby daughter in a car crash when he just won the election to the Senate.
He was barely 30.
And that was, of course, the the car crash that Hunter and his older brother Bo were quite badly injured in.
And famously, Joe Biden took The cameras into their hospital room, which I find staggering, when they were still recovering and in plaster and still unwell in hospital, took the cameras in and was sworn in by the hospital bed.
And that photograph is iconic.
And he has used it in every campaign since.
And it tugs at your heartstrings.
I remember watching some campaign videos that he made dwelling on that incident and that photograph and those Poor little motherless boys.
And, you know, your heart went out to him.
And I think that has been a good part of his, I guess, electoral popularity.
If you're a low information voter and you don't know much about Joe Biden, you do know about that story, especially women, especially mothers, because nobody could fail to be moved by the plight of those, you know, darling little boys.
And it's tragic what's happened to Hunter.
And then, of course, There was the double tragedy, which was that Beau, who was really the apple of Joe Biden's eye, which in some ways I think is part of Hunter's problem because he was always, he writes about it in a laptop, the sort of clown brother tagging the second fiddle.
Beau Biden was this, you know, magnificent, he was the good boy compared to Hunter's bad boy.
And he, you know, he went to Iraq in uniform.
He was a lawyer.
He was Attorney General of Delaware.
He was the one that Joe Biden had plans for to become president.
And he said that Hunter could be his speechwriter.
And then Beau, tragically, got a brain tumour and died.
So the tragedy of Joe Biden's life and Hunter Biden's life just naturally elicits sympathy from everybody, even hardened journalists.
It's very hard.
Not to feel sympathy.
But that does not and should not absolve him of terrible wrongdoings that really put America at risk.
And not just America.
I mean, you know, I've lived three quarters of my life in Australia.
And in Australia, China is breathing down their neck.
And the militarisation of those islands in the South China Sea are a clear and present danger to every country in the region, including Australia.
And the Australian government and the public were very exercised about it when Joe Biden was vice president in the Obama administration.
And Joe Biden was dispatched in 2013 to Beijing to talk to President Xi and put the entire might of the American government into demanding that China stop militarizing those islands, stop thieving American intellectual property, just stop behaving badly.
Joe Biden came away from that meeting in Beijing with President Xi with nothing for the American people.
But his son, Hunter, who he brought along with him on Air Force Two, came away with a $1.5 billion deal with a subsidiary of a Chinese state-owned bank.
Well, I mean, the reality is he had terrible tragedy in his life, but he's overused it so much that it really doesn't matter at this point.
I mean, the people have lost their wives.
People have lost their children.
They don't go on and, you know, make millions of dollars by selling out their office.
They don't put America in the compromising position of being corrupt in Ukraine.
And it looks like he's completely bought by one of our enemies, the Chinese government.
I mean, the family has gotten—it's hard to calculate from the hard drive, but multiple millions from the Chinese communists.
If it were anyone else, you couldn't possibly be President of the United States if two years earlier you had been in business with Chinese communists.
He was in a $10 million a year business two years before he became President of the United States with the Chinese communists.
His family has gotten well over $10 million from China, probably a lot more than that.
The double standard that exists here is extremely dangerous, and it also divides our country right down the middle.
Because there are those people that will forgive him anything, and there are those people that are just outraged that it's destroying our system of justice.
There's no doubt that if this were Donald Trump Jr.
and Donald Trump, they'd have been in jail four years ago.
I mean, there is no American that really doubts that.
I think even Democrats who have this ridiculous picture of him don't doubt the fact that Trump would be in jail for this.
They just let him get away with it.
Yeah.
And, you know, that should be the way it is.
I mean, you know, if you commit these acts, you ought to be brought to book for them.
It's really dangerous to our democracy that you have Joe Biden just not receiving any criticism for anything.
I mean, look at the disaster down at the southern border.
Absolute human catastrophe.
Just a tragedy, what's going on there.
For the people involved who are being preyed upon by people smugglers, for the children who are being abused, who are being, you know, sent unaccompanied by their parents into this country because Joe Biden has said that they will be welcomed with open arms and he gets away with it.
There is no consequences for him for anything he does.
Even though that creates human suffering and death.
It also opens the border to what is now the most profitable enterprise of the Mexican cartels, which is sex trafficking with young girls.
They're making more money on that than they're making on fentanyl and drugs.
So, I mean, sometimes people don't equate the fact that incompetence and corruption at high levels of government usually means that a lot more people die.
Because the decisions that people at the high levels of government make are very consequential.
And so you put somebody else there other than Joe Biden, who didn't let those people come in, who kept — I mean, he had a perfect situation.
He had the Mexican government actually agreeing to doing asylum in Mexico.
I mean, that only happened once before, and I know about it because I happen to be involved in it.
The Haitian government agreed with Ronald Reagan to do that, to stop the Haitian migration.
It's the only instance I know about, and I happen to have been involved in negotiating it.
That's a very hard thing for a government to do.
It's ceding some of its sovereignty to you.
And he blows that.
If that had remained, a lot of people would be alive today who are dead because of Joe Biden.
We'll be back with you shortly.
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Thank you, and now we'll go back to our really fascinating and compelling interview with Miranda Devine.
Now, so, Miranda, let's ask the ultimate question.
Is anything going to be done about this?
Is this just going to be another group of crimes that anybody else in America would be arrested for and prosecuted for, that the Bidens just get away with and continue to do damage to our country?
Well, Hunter Biden is very confident that he said he was 100% certain that he would be cleared of any wrongdoing by the various investigations against him into money laundering and tax evasion and, you know, violation of the FARA rules.
He's very confident.
And I think he's probably right, because there are investigations going on, but You just know from the kid glove treatment he's had and all the Bidens have had with all their problems throughout the years that he will skate through.
And that's why I'm writing this book, Laptop from Hell.
Yeah.
And because I think the scale of wrongdoing on that laptop is so enormous.
And combined with Tony Bobulinski's, the contents of his three phones that he's handed up to the FBI that I also have.
You piece together the jigsaw and you get a very clear picture of what the Biden family grift is all about.
And at least then it will be on the public record forever.
And even if the Bidens get away with it this time, I don't think history will look kindly on them.
And of course, that is Joe Biden's greatest fear.
What he wants is to go down in history as an FDR-like figure.
So that all his descendants can bask in the glory of being a Biden and the Biden name.
And I think that in some way, and you are basically to your credit, you began it all.
People wouldn't know any of this if you had not been the person who paid attention to John Paul Mac Isaac, the MacBook repair guy, you know, people like you, I always get a lot of crazy emails from the public and the fact that you managed and your lawyer Bob Costello was my partner in all of this and it really deserves a lot of the credit for actually vetting, originally vetting him and turning out to be right.
And he's taken a tremendous amount of abuse, threats, threats to his job.
I mean, I've worked with people on the defense of President Trump who've been fired from their law firms, who've been threatened with death.
I've had to get protection for them.
When we were involved in the aftermath of the election, one of our lawyers had to have 24-hour protection, another lawyer had to quit the case because his law firm threatened to fire him, and then his children got threatened.
I mean, there's a sickness going on in this country that's very, very bad, and it's only going to get fixed I might sound like I'm somewhat simplistic, but it's only going to be fixed when we have equal justice under the law.
When Americans go back to the feeling that, which, you know, was first enunciated when we investigated Nixon, that no one is above the law.
Well, Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton are above the law.
Every American knows that.
And that creates bitterness.
It creates anger.
It creates a lot of the separation that, uh, Sarcastically, really.
But when I hear Biden talk about unity, it's sarcastic.
It's complete sarcasm.
It's Orwellian.
But, you know, Rudy, I think when you say everybody knows that the Bidens and the Clintons are above the law... Do they just deny it?
Well, I think only half of America knows, because the biggest problem, I really think, and I'm probably biased because I'm a journalist, but I think that the corruption of the establishment media, where they no longer tell the truth, they tell outright lies, the New York Times, the Washington Post, they tell knowingly, they deceive and peddle
disinformation while accusing others of doing that.
You no longer can trust a news story that you read in those once august organs.
And unfortunately, half the country which ingests their information, which they set the agenda for most of the media.
I mean, even at The Post, you know, we follow stories that they break.
And so does Fox News.
Everybody, they set the agenda really for all of the media, particularly for CNN and MSNBC and so on.
And so when they tell a lie, that lie goes a long way.
And it basically dictates how the media in America sees things.
And you only get the other side if you listen to and read and watch conservative media.
And that means that half the country is flying blind.
And half the country did not know anything.
They don't know who Hunter Biden is.
They never knew anything about the laptop.
Because, of course, as soon as the New York Post, we came out with our story in middle of October.
It was shut down.
Facebook and Twitter just censored it.
The rest of the media pretended it was Russian disinformation.
And they had the fig leaf of that completely fraudulent letter that was led by the egregious John Brennan, the ex-CIA head, pretending when they hadn't even seen the laptop that it was, in their expert opinion, Russian disinformation.
So that just allowed the rest of the media to run with it and dismiss the story and the laptop as Russian disinformation.
And then they went out of their way to discredit you, to malign your character, as you say, to damage Bob Costello, your lawyer, and the poor old Macbook guy, John Paul Mac Isaac, he said to shut his store and move interstate.
So, you know, you can see how close This has come to rocking the Bidens because Joe Biden himself, after our story came out, the laptop's existence became known.
Remember, the middle of a campaign, I mean, it was six weeks before the election.
He went to ground for a week.
He did not come out of his basement.
And then when finally a reporter, he did come out and he caught an aeroplane and there was a reporter from, I think, CBS yelled out at him across the tarmac.
What about the laptop?
He just turned on him viciously.
It obviously was wounding to them and they were worried about it.
But now they don't care.
You know, even if any of these investigations does charge Hunter Biden with a crime, his dad will just pardon him.
And then what will the media do?
They'll say, oh, well, look what an admirable father he is.
He just loves his son so much.
Unlike what they would have done to Trump.
Had he pardoned me or his sons or himself?
The reality is, again, what I say is that that hypocrisy is ripping this country apart.
A democracy can't have such clear distinctions between the way people are treated and have a whole category of people who are immune to the laws and the abuse that other people take.
And it just creates tremendous anger, tremendous disillusionment, So really, you've got two other books to write.
In addition to this, The Corruption of the Media, and then The Corruption of Law Enforcement.
And I believe The Corruption of Law Enforcement comes about not just because of the Brennans who are straight out corrupt, but it also comes about because law enforcement's afraid of the media.
They don't want the media to write bad things about them.
They all want to get jobs after law enforcement, and they don't want the Washington Post to say how terrible they are, how terrible they are as lawyers, because they have to support their families.
So I think the media corruption is also at the core of this, and it's really, really much worse than I thought.
But God bless you, Miranda, that we have you and the New York Post, Alexander Hamilton's newspaper.
Do you know a part owner of the New York Post was Alexander Hamilton's close friend, Archibald Gracie.
Archibald Gracie was the owner of Gracie Mansion, and he and Hamilton were business partners on deals, one of them being the Post.
And his home, Gracie Mansion, was the summer retreat that they went to, like people go to the Hamptons now, because it was that far away from downtown New York.
And they used to play on the beach at Gracie Mansion.
So, Gracie Mansion probably has something to do with this.
I don't know exactly what it is, but... Oh, well, it was meant to be.
The ghost of Alexander Hamilton, obviously, guided you towards me and the laptop and... Aaron Burr could not get... Aaron Burr could not get rid of his ghost.
It remains.
But it is a great newspaper.
It always has been.
And really, it should get some kind of...
I mean, I should get some kind of prize for being almost the only newspaper left last year.
I mean, in the fall of last year, aside from maybe some very good local newspapers, there wasn't a newspaper in this country that would cover this story.
It was like you were in East Berlin or China or Soviet Union.
And the Post took a lot of heat for it and probably lost a lot of money.
Well, God bless you.
Thank you.
Thank you so much, Rudy.
Thank you.
Thank you very much, Miranda.
You do great work.
It was a pleasure and an honor to interview you.
Thank you.
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